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Famed Developer Claims Second-Hand Games Are Killing The Market

David Braben, the developer behind the retro classic Elite and Lost Winds on Wii, believes  that the second-hand market has killed what he claims to be ‘core games’. Braben says that he knows publishers who have scrapped games because stores won’t restock their title after release, as the retailers rely on pre-owned games to make their profits.

“The real problem when you think about it brutally, if you look at just core gamer games, pre-owned has really killed core games,” he said. “In some cases, it’s killed them dead. I know publishers who have stopped games in development because most shops won’t reorder stock after initial release, because they rely on the churn from the re-sales.”

“I mean, the idea of a game selling out used to be a good thing, but nowadays, those people who buy it on day one may well finish it and return it,”

“Developers and publishers need that revenue to be able to keep doing high production value games, and so we keep seeing fewer and fewer of them.”

87 thoughts on “Famed Developer Claims Second-Hand Games Are Killing The Market”

      1. I see that’s why the micro wants their nextbox to not play used games and are probably going digital. When a used game is bought, developers don’t get any of the money. It all goes to the store. That will in fact kill the market. I go to a game school and most instructors say Gamestop is evil because of that.
        Buy games new if you support the company people!! More new copies sold means more funds for Dev, which means better games!!

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          Ok, so If I buy a new game, but use old games as trade-in currency for the new game, does the developer get credit and money for the new game?

        2. Nextbox will fail if they’ll not use discs. I wouldn’t want my games on the hard drive… If the console crash (which Microsoft systems are known to do) I would’ve to buy all the games again unless they’re saved up on some sort of account… Oh wait, if they did that people could SHARE account on different nextboxes…

          1. Only way to stop the sharing is to code the netbox. Means you get a code for a game u download to ur netbox number. If it crash you have to give ur netbox code to download the game again. Everyone gets their own unique code. If this make sense. If u buy a new one coz old one won’t work, then u have to take that old one to a Nintendo shop or post it for proof. Too complicated? I think its ok.

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        1. Program Announcer: Ladies and gentlemen, we take pride in presenting a thoughtful address by Ronald Reagan. Mr. Reagan:

          Reagan: Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you and good evening. The sponsor has been identified, but unlike most television programs, the performer hasn’t been provided with a script. As a matter of fact, I have been permitted to choose my own words and discuss my own ideas regarding the choice that we face in the next few weeks.

          I have spent most of my life as a Democrat. I recently have seen fit to follow another course. I believe that the issues confronting us cross party lines. Now, one side in this campaign has been telling us that the issues of this election are the maintenance of peace and prosperity. The line has been used, “We’ve never had it so good.”

          But I have an uncomfortable feeling that this prosperity isn’t something on which we can base our hopes for the future. No nation in history has ever survived a tax burden that reached a third of its national income. Today, 37 cents out of every dollar earned in this country is the tax collector’s share, and yet our government continues to spend 17 million dollars a day more than the government takes in. We haven’t balanced our budget 28 out of the last 34 years. We’ve raised our debt limit three times in the last twelve months, and now our national debt is one and a half times bigger than all the combined debts of all the nations of the world. We have 15 billion dollars in gold in our treasury; we don’t own an ounce. Foreign dollar claims are 27.3 billion dollars. And we’ve just had announced that the dollar of 1939 will now purchase 45 cents in its total value.

          As for the peace that we would preserve, I wonder who among us would like to approach the wife or mother whose husband or son has died in South Vietnam and ask them if they think this is a peace that should be maintained indefinitely. Do they mean peace, or do they mean we just want to be left in peace? There can be no real peace while one American is dying some place in the world for the rest of us. We’re at war with the most dangerous enemy that has ever faced mankind in his long climb from the swamp to the stars, and it’s been said if we lose that war, and in so doing lose this way of freedom of ours, history will record with the greatest astonishment that those who had the most to lose did the least to prevent its happening. Well I think it’s time we ask ourselves if we still know the freedoms that were intended for us by the Founding Fathers.

          Not too long ago, two friends of mine were talking to a Cuban refugee, a businessman who had escaped from Castro, and in the midst of his story one of my friends turned to the other and said, “We don’t know how lucky we are.” And the Cuban stopped and said, “How lucky you are? I had someplace to escape to.” And in that sentence he told us the entire story. If we lose freedom here, there’s no place to escape to. This is the last stand on earth.

          And this idea that government is beholden to the people, that it has no other source of power except the sovereign people, is still the newest and the most unique idea in all the long history of man’s relation to man.

          This is the issue of this election: whether we believe in our capacity for self-government or whether we abandon the American revolution and confess that a little intellectual elite in a far-distant capitol can plan our lives for us better than we can plan them ourselves.

          You and I are told increasingly we have to choose between a left or right. Well I’d like to suggest there is no such thing as a left or right. There’s only an up or down: [up] man’s old — old-aged dream, the ultimate in individual freedom consistent with law and order, or down to the ant heap of totalitarianism. And regardless of their sincerity, their humanitarian motives, those who would trade our freedom for security have embarked on this downward course.

          In this vote-harvesting time, they use terms like the “Great Society,” or as we were told a few days ago by the President, we must accept a greater government activity in the affairs of the people. But they’ve been a little more explicit in the past and among themselves; and all of the things I now will quote have appeared in print. These are not Republican accusations. For example, they have voices that say, “The cold war will end through our acceptance of a not undemocratic socialism.” Another voice says, “The profit motive has become outmoded. It must be replaced by the incentives of the welfare state.” Or, “Our traditional system of individual freedom is incapable of solving the complex problems of the 20th century.” Senator Fulbright has said at Stanford University that the Constitution is outmoded. He referred to the President as “our moral teacher and our leader,” and he says he is “hobbled in his task by the restrictions of power imposed on him by this antiquated document.” He must “be freed,” so that he “can do for us” what he knows “is best.” And Senator Clark of Pennsylvania, another articulate spokesman, defines liberalism as “meeting the material needs of the masses through the full power of centralized government.”

          Well, I, for one, resent it when a representative of the people refers to you and me, the free men and women of this country, as “the masses.” This is a term we haven’t applied to ourselves in America. But beyond that, “the full power of centralized government” — this was the very thing the Founding Fathers sought to minimize. They knew that governments don’t control things. A government can’t control the economy without controlling people. And they know when a government sets out to do that, it must use force and coercion to achieve its purpose. They also knew, those Founding Fathers, that outside of its legitimate functions, government does nothing as well or as economically as the private sector of the economy.

          Now, we have no better example of this than government’s involvement in the farm economy over the last 30 years. Since 1955, the cost of this program has nearly doubled. One-fourth of farming in America is responsible for 85% of the farm surplus. Three-fourths of farming is out on the free market and has known a 21% increase in the per capita consumption of all its produce. You see, that one-fourth of farming — that’s regulated and controlled by the federal government. In the last three years we’ve spent 43 dollars in the feed grain program for every dollar bushel of corn we don’t grow.

          Senator Humphrey last week charged that Barry Goldwater, as President, would seek to eliminate farmers. He should do his homework a little better, because he’ll find out that we’ve had a decline of 5 million in the farm population under these government programs. He’ll also find that the Democratic administration has sought to get from Congress [an] extension of the farm program to include that three-fourths that is now free. He’ll find that they’ve also asked for the right to imprison farmers who wouldn’t keep books as prescribed by the federal government. The Secretary of Agriculture asked for the right to seize farms through condemnation and resell them to other individuals. And contained in that same program was a provision that would have allowed the federal government to remove 2 million farmers from the soil.

          At the same time, there’s been an increase in the Department of Agriculture employees. There’s now one for every 30 farms in the United States, and still they can’t tell us how 66 shiploads of grain headed for Austria disappeared without a trace and Billie Sol Estes never left shore.

          Every responsible farmer and farm organization has repeatedly asked the government to free the farm economy, but how — who are farmers to know what’s best for them? The wheat farmers voted against a wheat program. The government passed it anyway. Now the price of bread goes up; the price of wheat to the farmer goes down.

          Meanwhile, back in the city, under urban renewal the assault on freedom carries on. Private property rights [are] so diluted that public interest is almost anything a few government planners decide it should be. In a program that takes from the needy and gives to the greedy, we see such spectacles as in Cleveland, Ohio, a million-and-a-half-dollar building completed only three years ago must be destroyed to make way for what government officials call a “more compatible use of the land.” The President tells us he’s now going to start building public housing units in the thousands, where heretofore we’ve only built them in the hundreds. But FHA [Federal Housing Authority] and the Veterans Administration tell us they have 120,000 housing units they’ve taken back through mortgage foreclosure. For three decades, we’ve sought to solve the problems of unemployment through government planning, and the more the plans fail, the more the planners plan. The latest is the Area Redevelopment Agency.

          They’ve just declared Rice County, Kansas, a depressed area. Rice County, Kansas, has two hundred oil wells, and the 14,000 people there have over 30 million dollars on deposit in personal savings in their banks. And when the government tells you you’re depressed, lie down and be depressed.

          We have so many people who can’t see a fat man standing beside a thin one without coming to the conclusion the fat man got that way by taking advantage of the thin one. So they’re going to solve all the problems of human misery through government and government planning. Well, now, if government planning and welfare had the answer — and they’ve had almost 30 years of it — shouldn’t we expect government to read the score to us once in a while? Shouldn’t they be telling us about the decline each year in the number of people needing help? The reduction in the need for public housing?

          But the reverse is true. Each year the need grows greater; the program grows greater. We were told four years ago that 17 million people went to bed hungry each night. Well that was probably true. They were all on a diet. But now we’re told that 9.3 million families in this country are poverty-stricken on the basis of earning less than 3,000 dollars a year. Welfare spending [is] 10 times greater than in the dark depths of the Depression. We’re spending 45 billion dollars on welfare. Now do a little arithmetic, and you’ll find that if we divided the 45 billion dollars up equally among those 9 million poor families, we’d be able to give each family 4,600 dollars a year. And this added to their present income should eliminate poverty. Direct aid to the poor, however, is only running only about 600 dollars per family. It would seem that someplace there must be some overhead.

          Now — so now we declare “war on poverty,” or “You, too, can be a Bobby Baker.” Now do they honestly expect us to believe that if we add 1 billion dollars to the 45 billion we’re spending, one more program to the 30-odd we have — and remember, this new program doesn’t replace any, it just duplicates existing programs — do they believe that poverty is suddenly going to disappear by magic? Well, in all fairness I should explain there is one part of the new program that isn’t duplicated. This is the youth feature. We’re now going to solve the dropout problem, juvenile delinquency, by reinstituting something like the old CCC camps [Civilian Conservation Corps], and we’re going to put our young people in these camps. But again we do some arithmetic, and we find that we’re going to spend each year just on room and board for each young person we help 4,700 dollars a year. We can send them to Harvard for 2,700! Course, don’t get me wrong. I’m not suggesting Harvard is the answer to juvenile delinquency.

          But seriously, what are we doing to those we seek to help? Not too long ago, a judge called me here in Los Angeles. He told me of a young woman who’d come before him for a divorce. She had six children, was pregnant with her seventh. Under his questioning, she revealed her husband was a laborer earning 250 dollars a month. She wanted a divorce to get an 80 dollar raise. She’s eligible for 330 dollars a month in the Aid to Dependent Children Program. She got the idea from two women in her neighborhood who’d already done that very thing.

          Yet anytime you and I question the schemes of the do-gooders, we’re denounced as being against their humanitarian goals. They say we’re always “against” things — we’re never “for” anything.

          Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they’re ignorant; it’s just that they know so much that isn’t so.

          Now — we’re for a provision that destitution should not follow unemployment by reason of old age, and to that end we’ve accepted Social Security as a step toward meeting the problem.

          But we’re against those entrusted with this program when they practice deception regarding its fiscal shortcomings, when they charge that any criticism of the program means that we want to end payments to those people who depend on them for a livelihood. They’ve called it “insurance” to us in a hundred million pieces of literature. But then they appeared before the Supreme Court and they testified it was a welfare program. They only use the term “insurance” to sell it to the people. And they said Social Security dues are a tax for the general use of the government, and the government has used that tax. There is no fund, because Robert Byers, the actuarial head, appeared before a congressional committee and admitted that Social Security as of this moment is 298 billion dollars in the hole. But he said there should be no cause for worry because as long as they have the power to tax, they could always take away from the people whatever they needed to bail them out of trouble. And they’re doing just that.

          A young man, 21 years of age, working at an average salary — his Social Security contribution would, in the open market, buy him an insurance policy that would guarantee 220 dollars a month at age 65. The government promises 127. He could live it up until he’s 31 and then take out a policy that would pay more than Social Security. Now are we so lacking in business sense that we can’t put this program on a sound basis, so that people who do require those payments will find they can get them when they’re due — that the cupboard isn’t bare?

          Barry Goldwater thinks we can.

          At the same time, can’t we introduce voluntary features that would permit a citizen who can do better on his own to be excused upon presentation of evidence that he had made provision for the non-earning years? Should we not allow a widow with children to work, and not lose the benefits supposedly paid for by her deceased husband? Shouldn’t you and I be allowed to declare who our beneficiaries will be under this program, which we cannot do? I think we’re for telling our senior citizens that no one in this country should be denied medical care because of a lack of funds. But I think we’re against forcing all citizens, regardless of need, into a compulsory government program, especially when we have such examples, as was announced last week, when France admitted that their Medicare program is now bankrupt. They’ve come to the end of the road.

          In addition, was Barry Goldwater so irresponsible when he suggested that our government give up its program of deliberate, planned inflation, so that when you do get your Social Security pension, a dollar will buy a dollar’s worth, and not 45 cents worth?

          I think we’re for an international organization, where the nations of the world can seek peace. But I think we’re against subordinating American interests to an organization that has become so structurally unsound that today you can muster a two-thirds vote on the floor of the General Assembly among nations that represent less than 10 percent of the world’s population. I think we’re against the hypocrisy of assailing our allies because here and there they cling to a colony, while we engage in a conspiracy of silence and never open our mouths about the millions of people enslaved in the Soviet colonies in the satellite nations.

          I think we’re for aiding our allies by sharing of our material blessings with those nations which share in our fundamental beliefs, but we’re against doling out money government to government, creating bureaucracy, if not socialism, all over the world. We set out to help 19 countries. We’re helping 107. We’ve spent 146 billion dollars. With that money, we bought a 2 million dollar yacht for Haile Selassie. We bought dress suits for Greek undertakers, extra wives for Kenya[n] government officials. We bought a thousand TV sets for a place where they have no electricity. In the last six years, 52 nations have bought 7 billion dollars worth of our gold, and all 52 are receiving foreign aid from this country.

          No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. So, governments’ programs, once launched, never disappear.

          Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we’ll ever see on this earth.

          Federal employees — federal employees number two and a half million; and federal, state, and local, one out of six of the nation’s work force employed by government. These proliferating bureaus with their thousands of regulations have cost us many of our constitutional safeguards. How many of us realize that today federal agents can invade a man’s property without a warrant? They can impose a fine without a formal hearing, let alone a trial by jury? And they can seize and sell his property at auction to enforce the payment of that fine. In Chico County, Arkansas, James Wier over-planted his rice allotment. The government obtained a 17,000 dollar judgment. And a U.S. marshal sold his 960-acre farm at auction. The government said it was necessary as a warning to others to make the system work.

          Last February 19th at the University of Minnesota, Norman Thomas, six-times candidate for President on the Socialist Party ticket, said, “If Barry Goldwater became President, he would stop the advance of socialism in the United States.” I think that’s exactly what he will do.

          But as a former Democrat, I can tell you Norman Thomas isn’t the only man who has drawn this parallel to socialism with the present administration, because back in 1936, Mr. Democrat himself, Al Smith, the great American, came before the American people and charged that the leadership of his Party was taking the Party of Jefferson, Jackson, and Cleveland down the road under the banners of Marx, Lenin, and Stalin. And he walked away from his Party, and he never returned til the day he died — because to this day, the leadership of that Party has been taking that Party, that honorable Party, down the road in the image of the labor Socialist Party of England.

          Now it doesn’t require expropriation or confiscation of private property or business to impose socialism on a people. What does it mean whether you hold the deed to the — or the title to your business or property if the government holds the power of life and death over that business or property? And such machinery already exists. The government can find some charge to bring against any concern it chooses to prosecute. Every businessman has his own tale of harassment. Somewhere a perversion has taken place. Our natural, unalienable rights are now considered to be a dispensation of government, and freedom has never been so fragile, so close to slipping from our grasp as it is at this moment.

          Our Democratic opponents seem unwilling to debate these issues. They want to make you and I believe that this is a contest between two men — that we’re to choose just between two personalities.

          Well what of this man that they would destroy — and in destroying, they would destroy that which he represents, the ideas that you and I hold dear? Is he the brash and shallow and trigger-happy man they say he is? Well I’ve been privileged to know him “when.” I knew him long before he ever dreamed of trying for high office, and I can tell you personally I’ve never known a man in my life I believed so incapable of doing a dishonest or dishonorable thing.

          This is a man who, in his own business before he entered politics, instituted a profit-sharing plan before unions had ever thought of it. He put in health and medical insurance for all his employees. He took 50 percent of the profits before taxes and set up a retirement program, a pension plan for all his employees. He sent monthly checks for life to an employee who was ill and couldn’t work. He provides nursing care for the children of mothers who work in the stores. When Mexico was ravaged by the floods in the Rio Grande, he climbed in his airplane and flew medicine and supplies down there.

          An ex-GI told me how he met him. It was the week before Christmas during the Korean War, and he was at the Los Angeles airport trying to get a ride home to Arizona for Christmas. And he said that [there were] a lot of servicemen there and no seats available on the planes. And then a voice came over the loudspeaker and said, “Any men in uniform wanting a ride to Arizona, go to runway such-and-such,” and they went down there, and there was a fellow named Barry Goldwater sitting in his plane. Every day in those weeks before Christmas, all day long, he’d load up the plane, fly it to Arizona, fly them to their homes, fly back over to get another load.

          During the hectic split-second timing of a campaign, this is a man who took time out to sit beside an old friend who was dying of cancer. His campaign managers were understandably impatient, but he said, “There aren’t many left who care what happens to her. I’d like her to know I care.” This is a man who said to his 19-year-old son, “There is no foundation like the rock of honesty and fairness, and when you begin to build your life on that rock, with the cement of the faith in God that you have, then you have a real start.” This is not a man who could carelessly send other people’s sons to war. And that is the issue of this campaign that makes all the other problems I’ve discussed academic, unless we realize we’re in a war that must be won.

          Those who would trade our freedom for the soup kitchen of the welfare state have told us they have a utopian solution of peace without victory. They call their policy “accommodation.” And they say if we’ll only avoid any direct confrontation with the enemy, he’ll forget his evil ways and learn to love us. All who oppose them are indicted as warmongers. They say we offer simple answers to complex problems. Well, perhaps there is a simple answer — not an easy answer — but simple: If you and I have the courage to tell our elected officials that we want our national policy based on what we know in our hearts is morally right.

          We cannot buy our security, our freedom from the threat of the bomb by committing an immorality so great as saying to a billion human beings now enslaved behind the Iron Curtain, “Give up your dreams of freedom because to save our own skins, we’re willing to make a deal with your slave masters.” Alexander Hamilton said, “A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one.” Now let’s set the record straight. There’s no argument over the choice between peace and war, but there’s only one guaranteed way you can have peace — and you can have it in the next second — surrender.

          Admittedly, there’s a risk in any course we follow other than this, but every lesson of history tells us that the greater risk lies in appeasement, and this is the specter our well-meaning liberal friends refuse to face — that their policy of accommodation is appeasement, and it gives no choice between peace and war, only between fight or surrender. If we continue to accommodate, continue to back and retreat, eventually we have to face the final demand — the ultimatum. And what then — when Nikita Khrushchev has told his people he knows what our answer will be? He has told them that we’re retreating under the pressure of the Cold War, and someday when the time comes to deliver the final ultimatum, our surrender will be voluntary, because by that time we will have been weakened from within spiritually, morally, and economically. He believes this because from our side he’s heard voices pleading for “peace at any price” or “better Red than dead,” or as one commentator put it, he’d rather “live on his knees than die on his feet.” And therein lies the road to war, because those voices don’t speak for the rest of us.

          You and I know and do not believe that life is so dear and peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery. If nothing in life is worth dying for, when did this begin — just in the face of this enemy? Or should Moses have told the children of Israel to live in slavery under the pharaohs? Should Christ have refused the cross? Should the patriots at Concord Bridge have thrown down their guns and refused to fire the shot heard ’round the world? The martyrs of history were not fools, and our honored dead who gave their lives to stop the advance of the Nazis didn’t die in vain. Where, then, is the road to peace? Well it’s a simple answer after all.

          You and I have the courage to say to our enemies, “There is a price we will not pay.” “There is a point beyond which they must not advance.” And this — this is the meaning in the phrase of Barry Goldwater’s “peace through strength.” Winston Churchill said, “The destiny of man is not measured by material computations. When great forces are on the move in the world, we learn we’re spirits — not animals.” And he said, “There’s something going on in time and space, and beyond time and space, which, whether we like it or not, spells duty.”

          You and I have a rendezvous with destiny.

          We’ll preserve for our children this, the last best hope of man on earth, or we’ll sentence them to take the last step into a thousand years of darkness.

          We will keep in mind and remember that Barry Goldwater has faith in us. He has faith that you and I have the ability and the dignity and the right to make our own decisions and determine our own destiny.

          Thank you very much.

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    2. That’s not true, actually what’s killing it is the resellers. If I was a developer I would charge the reseller 40-50% more in the order fee, to make up for the lost revenue that they will inevitably make using my resold software.

  1. This is why you dont buy used and you never return the games you like. When I trade in I trade for new. Its not like they give you a bargin for buying used.

      1. Were you already logged in when you visited gravatar.com or wordpress.com ? If so then log-in and log-out again. It seems to be working for some people. Sorry about the hassle.

  2. How is this a problem? Most of the games that are on re-sale are often really bad and cheap games. And the new games are so expensive that people would be crazy to buy it new. Nintendo, step it up.

    1. I had no idea that a difference of $5 between a new copy of a newly released game and a used version was so expensive for some people ¬.¬

    2. Here’s a good example. Heavy rain for ps3.

      There are over 3 million registered psn users who have gotten at least 1 trophy for the game, yet they’ve only actually sold 1.8 million copies of the game.

      Instead of making what they should, they only made around 50% of what the game has made total in profit. The retailers got the rest.

      It really hinders game developers. Because a company can’t assume that if they made a sequel that those 1.2 million people who bought used will buy said sequel new, so they can only expect the 1.8 million people to get it. That makes a profit ceiling and if it’s not profitable enough then they scrap the game.

  3. I’ve never traded in any game, ever. Once I buy something it is mine forever, good or bad. Doesn’t mean I’ve never bought used games, though…

      1. I hate that I have to log in to WordPress now though…………… why can’t it just go back to how it used to be?

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  4. I don’t buy used games but I also don’t buy games new for $60. I usually wait until the price drops to $40. I just think $60 is a ridiculous price to pay for any game. I would love it if all new games were priced at $40 at release.

    1. I think it’s safe to say that the 60$ price point wouldn’t be necessary if developers weren’t hemorrhaging revenue from Gamestop. Who’s to say though. Blockbuster titles like Mass Effect cost tens of of millions to develop, so publishers have a lot of ground to re-coup before they can actually start making a profit.

  5. I have bought used games but mostly from amazon. Those games are usually gifts to someone. As for myself, I always buy new. The industry must make money to succeed. If you came out with a great idea. You sold 12 units of what you came out with brand new but it actually sold 100 units used. How much money are you going to make? Only on the 12 units. That is what is happening with the gaming industry. That used game you bought could have been sold 5 times before you bought it.

    1. my fiesta has 15 previous owners. i dont see ford moaning. oh yeah they realise that selling old cars means people buy new ones

      1. That can be true. What happens when there are no more new games cause developers moved on to a new industry. There will always be products purchased used. When you have your product sell more used than new then you will be in trouble at some point. Remember they have a business to run. If there is more debt than revenue then there is no business anymore. Everything cannot be cheap. For me I will miss out on a game if I cannot afford it. I prefer new. I’m not saying don’t buy use. It is the situation that the industry is in now. It is a serious issue.

      2. The problem with the video game industry is the fact that games doesn’t become worser over time if you’re careful, cars become worser if you don’t take care of them and repair them and even then they lose quality over time so you can’t compare!

        That fact alone makes your argument invalid.

  6. This defines GameStock in a nutshell. I work there and they taught me to promote used-game sales. I totally agree that it’s killin the market

      1. The real Mr. L would find a way to stop Gamestop while still being the mischievous rogue that he is. Maybe light the building on fire? We’re counting on you, Mr. L!!

  7. You know what’s REALLY killing “core games?” It’s not because of used games. It’s because of the following:

    Making half-assed games.
    Making bad games.
    Poor management & marketing.
    Inflated budget games.
    DLC (especially Day one DLC; along with purposely taking content that’s on the disc & locking them as DLC, in which you have to purchase them to unlock stuff).
    DRM.

    And more. THOSE reasons are what’s killing “core gaming.”

    Also, here’s a (pretty long) article on why used games aren’t really a problem…

    http://www.the-ghetto.org/content/used-video-games-the-new-software-piracy

    1. So what happens when the developers decide they are tired of not making money because of used games sales and just move on to a new industry. Then how will that make you feel. No more games.

  8. You know what is killing the market?

    -Games not being finished
    -Glitches in games because developers know they can release patches
    -DLC that should have been in the game and/or add nothing substantial to the game i.e. costumes, level ups by using money, guns, pre-order bonus codes etc.
    -Online Passes
    -Games that end up going out of print quickly or are hard to find
    -Games that only last you 5hrs and have zero replayability

    There are probably more things that I have forgotten to mention here. The gaming industry is bigger right now then the music and movie industry. Stop blaming used game sales which have been going on for years and start looking at the real issues.

  9. Sad thing is, is that their is a cruel justice that game companys could do. Instead of DLC to make up lost sales. Use codes to drop render quality and increase load times to games bought used per used sale 1080p @60fps down to 30fps, down to 720p @60fps, down to 30fps, down to 420p @60fps down to 30fps. You can play the fully finished game but your going to get FF7 quality rendering. So a game past 5th gen resale would look so atrocious the game becomes trash.

    hell I would go as far to take color out of the game and turn used copy into black and white game.

  10. Personally, I only sell a game when I’m certain I will never play it again (as in, I didn’t really enjoy it all that much) And I love buying new games. Yes, if I see a second-hand game that I like I’ll buy it, but generally I’ll buy new.

  11. For a while, I used to get games new or used but at this point, I get all my games new though I will note, I won’t pay a full 60 bucks for most games though, if the game is worth the money, I’ll get the $150 collectors edition (Star Wars: The Old Republic). If a game costs $50 to $60 dollars, lasts only 10 hours, and has minimal multiplayer features and only local multiplayer, there’s no way I’m going to pay $50 for it, period. Now if the game is a lengthy experience IE easily over 100 hour RPG, has strong multiplayer preferably online and offline like mario kart and halo, or has the production values and gameplay that merit a full price purchase, I don’t mind paying full price.

    By making all games have to go for full price, the pricing system is set so if a game isn’t a AAA game, known series, or have an abundant amount of multiplayer and they’re not downloadable they can’t succeed.

  12. guys about wow coming to wiiu eshop if this happens then nintendo will be number 1 game company.believe me because many people from all around the world play that game

    1. Agree! If that’s true people will buy Wii U just to be able to play that game. And I even think it might happen :S It’s not an inposibility

      1. siegfried van schroder

        bullshits! it wont happen,wiiu is a fail console.xbox is from microsoft and world of warcraft is curent for pc games so that meens the game will be exclusive for 720

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  13. I used to buy a lot of pre-owned games. Even trade them in too. But about a year later I found I wasn’t getting anything worth the price of trade in. and pre-owned games were getting more expensive.

    Especially when it comes to PS3 or 360 games. If you want anything worth money you NEED to sell it within a few days of launch. Because the games are just worthless after a few weeks.

    But yeah. I only buy new now. Unless I can get a really good deal from pre-owned (like Game’s closing down) or the game is impossible to buy new. Or expensive (Yoshi’s Island DS for example)

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  15. siegfried van schroder

    why so many third parties developers are interesting of a piece of jam!that console will have similar graphics as the original xbox or worse,get a life

  16. sigefried von schroder

    microsoft>>>>>>>>>sony>>>>>>>>>>>>konami>>>>>>>>>>>ubisoft>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>nintendo

  17. sigefried von schroder

    and…to be honest dicktendo 64 was horrible console it had the most girlish games ever especially that banjo kazooei thing

  18. GameStop being evil… this is very much not news to me, as I have known it for some time. They step on everyone for a quick buck. That being said I buy the vast majority of my games New. Then when I can’t find them new, I will buy used. However, Strategy guides I will try and get used whenever possible.

  19. What’s with all the childish junk comments? Hey, My Nintendo News, I know you want this site to be open for anyone to comment on (and frankly, you should be able to have such), but perhaps you should start taking comments only on an “approval only” basis. Until the day some people grow some sense and self-control about them, it seems this is perhaps just for the best.

    Anyways, on to my actual comment, I can see the point of this developer about second-hand games, and though I do agree with him to some extent, I think there’s more than one reason why some developers aren’t feeling the sales with the core market. It seems to me that game services like GameFly have been a big source of the problem, too–particularly true about console games. Rent a game as long as you want and then return it–though some people choose to buy games from DVD-by-mail services, most people don’t, since you don’t have to buy the game to play it.

    Also, another thing that has been digging into that market is the rise of online distribution–particularly true about PC games. While you’d think that this would help developers, in some ways, it has left the door to really hurt them, too. Along with the rise of online distribution came the rise of online piracy, too. And this doesn’t help when you have the likes of Microsoft’s next console supposedly using online downloaded games exclusively–you can probably expect piracy for that console, too.

    And finally, I’ll say that gamers just haven’t been moved by a lot of what’s been coming out lately. Frankly, many franchises are just staling, often very little new about them, and people kinda fade out of them–especially in economically-challenging times where other things in life are competing for our money. (Though, thankfully, I think the Wii U may just change a lot of that–it has the potential to refresh many staling franchises and offer developers invigorating ways to make interesting new games thanks to its chief innovations.).

    I think it’s a multifaceted problem many developers are facing.

  20. Ah! David Braben – the legendary man himself.

    Famous for Elite (awesome), then Frontier (full of bugs, unplayable until patched), then Rollercoaster Tycoon 3 (full of bugs, patched more times than a bouncy castle used by a can-can troupe wearing stilettos, and actually not as good as RCT1) and finally… some cash-in Wallet and Grimace games, or something. Which were probably s*it. Oh and repeatedly spouting utter drivel about how he isn’t making enough money because he’s not written a decent game in, well, er… years really.

    Perhaps he has enough money in his already swollen bank accounts to afford and buy brand new games every day, but the average Joe Public doesn’t and 2nd hand games are the only way he can get his gaming fix.

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