The Pinball Arcade developer FarSight Studios has apologized for the comments it made yesterday on Wii U. Via Facebook, the studio said it was “misinformed” when it claimed Nintendo’s latest console was significantly less powerful than the aging PlayStation 3. The studio added that its initial comments were based on a talk it had with the developer handling the Wii U version of the pinball game.
“Those comments were made based on a conversation I had with the developer who’s been working on the WII-U version, he was unable to get the console to perform anywhere near what the xbox one and ps4 were capable of,” the developer said. “I was misinformed in that I said the ps3 was far more powerful… after speaking to him again, I was told that while the system still does not compare to XB1 or PS4, I was incorrect in regards to the ps3 comparison, and for that I apologize.”
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you suck lol
Consoles aren’t the problem, it’s the companys and corporates and investors who decide what is going to be released or not, mostly without care for what te fans want
There’s going to be a wiiu version? Fuck’em. They mayaswell not bother now.
I am not talking about the article, I am talking about the link that this dood who I am replying to posted
o.O …..WE WAS TROLLED!!! MY EYES…X-X…
You sir. Are a dick. lol haven’t been hit with that in a vary long time.
I was in my school library when I clicked on that you asshole.
oh, just because its specs aren’t up to “next-gen” standards doesn’t mean the wii u doesn’t compare with the xbox one and the ps4. don’t underestimate nintendo yo.
Everybody seems to underestimate Nintendo these days. But they’re still just as great as they always were. I don’t know why so many acts like Nintendo has changed? It’s the “people” who’s changed.
What’s great about having donkey kong in February, Mario kart in pretty much June, and smash possibly this year?
Yoshi was awful, too .
All their games are a bunch if half assed platformers anymore
and what is great about. fps after fps after fps after racing game after racing game after sports game after sports game and then more fps?
Agreed. They are not as great as they once were. SNES was the greatest era for Nintendo. I had to buy a ps3 so I could play nhlpa!
N64 was actually
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I bought yoshi I played it for an hour… It does suck! On the contrary they have made some incredible games for the 3ds. Wii u… Not so much, and yes I have super Mario 3d world. Don’t like it.
Nope…Nintendo has changed and gone downhill. All 3 companies have. Nintendo no longer listens to their fans.
And fans don’t listen to Nintendo, when Nintendo speaks, all people do is complain
Not true. Nintendo is the one who has changed. Nintendo was a much more diversified company back in the day. They used to make all sorts of games for different types of gamers. When they had Rare and the rest of western studios back in the day before the Wii. Now all they do are baby games targeted at babies. The one western studio they have left (Retro) was put to work on another baby game (Donkey Kong TF). The ones who will say Nintendo hasn’t changed are the babies who never knew any other Nintendo other than the one they know now.
even ea has more carativity than nintendont.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha really?
WTF is “carativity” is that a new word for “stupidity”? If so, then Sasori, you are full of “carativity”.
http://bit.ly/1lOlJFm man you Naruto fans are such idiots.
Yeah, exaclty. That is why EA is called “Worst Company of America” ;) Thats just a joke, right? Hahahahaha, now you, Mr. “sasorideidaraobi” are what i call i BF.
You know… adults play whatever they like. If you worry about being seen as a kid, it means you’re still one.
Very well said.
Hell yes! I don’t need to play “mature” games to feel like a man.
you know retro wanted to work on it themselves
Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze is a baby game? Lol. I can tell you are very immature to say that.
Ok then lets go back to snes/nes because nintendo has be en always making the sale type of games, in fact the real problem are the large nombre of games that get stuck en japan and europe like disaster, zengeki no rengielev or another conde forma wii, when i ser allí games developed by nintendo for wii the variety bits larger han the other con soles, specially with tje rpg trilogy madre by xenoblade, the last story and pandora’s tower.
Really, Nintendo’s always been like this. This is simply who they are. Now they just stopped making more games we really want, stopped having variety, and stopped concerning themselves with graphics. It was 3rd party that provided all sorts of games. Nintendo made Mario and Zelda and Donkey Kong and F-zero and Metroid, which is more or less what they do now.
And I have trouble believing anyone who throws out the term “baby games” is over the age of 15. Probably has only read about Nintendo’s diverse past on the internet.
Yeah, the original PS was 32-bit yet garnered more support than N64. Wasn’t due to raw power, otherwise N64 would’ve had more support. Ease of use was a big part of it, but mostly because of sales. If Wii U’s sales pick up, so too will its support. In recent history, PS3 & 3DS took a while to garner support, & when their sales increased, support came in a big way.
Alas, seems the current climate is all about audiovisuals, tech specs, & photo-realistic graphics. Video games have become more of an institution than ever before. 3rd parties & their shareholders crave blockbusters, leaving little to no room for innovation, niche games, or sylized æsthetics. Genres & IPs have been shelved. Companies are losing some revered devs, & hemorraging money. @ least indies, mostly, have kept w/ the spirit & genres of gaming, & are also creating new IPs.
It was cause the system was available on the shelf more than anything. Also, the N64 had like 5 games its first Christmas, they were all pretty good, but still.
This. Nothing more needs said other than this person’s informed comment. I salute you.
Pother’s comment is the one I was referencing btw.
Wii U is next gen. Your CPU works with current data protocols. Your GPU comprises the equivalent of dx11. Its architecture is designed to optimize over what seems at first glance.
That is why debelopers should not talk that openly, that is why exist PR people.
He is the PR person. Well the Community Manager.
Wow. It’s dogpile time.
And he calls him developer?
What a shame!
Fuck off you phony bitch… you are saying sorry probably because somebody forced you to say it… i hate hypocrite people…. .I.
Haha I’m pretty sure that was the case. His boss threatened him and forced him to apologize
Exactly xD
This is still going on? the underpower and overpower of a consoles? Allright, lets have this logic whereby the console with the most horsepower is the winner, PC wins, to hell with your outdated ”next gen” graphics that we had from 2010. Buy a console for its exclusive games or if you cant be bothered to build a pc thats perfectly fine and makes sense, but brag about it and i shall spit on your stupid underpowered toys.
Exactly, if xbox and ps fanboys want to brag about how next gen their consoles are then they really need to shut the hell up and bow down to the pc master race. So just shut up and go play some fucking video games that’s what they are ment for.
Yes!! It would be like saying Indiana jones is shit because it can’t compare to modern movie effects
Indiana Jones is shit….
the shit
OOOOOOOHHHHHH YEAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!!
Can’t even copy me correctly, Xbot go home…
pc is not an console idiot. it just an alternative to play games. pc doesnt win at all what so ever. lol when did nintendrones start becoming pc gamer
When did console fanboy started being retarded?
Since the dawn of NES and Master System…
And PC wins in every category.
True PC exclusive is about 100 times better than a console exclusive.
Just because i play nintendo doesnt mean im not playing other consoles. Id rather play pc than th xb1 or ps4.
When did an Xbot started being retarded and avoid answering questions correctly? My PC ass stomps your kiddy Xbox 360.
“An console” your grammar is just as pitiful and painful to watch.
And since when Xbots like you think PC is inferior to Xbox? When your bum ass dropped yourself in the head 5 times in seconds?
Considering Playstation 3/4 & Xbox 360/One can do more than just play video games & can also do a lot of the same stuff a PC can do with the Xbox One being able to do a whole lot more, you really should just be quiet.
Hahahha- says the small girl/boy without a pc or with its “so cool” smartphone instead of pc ;) Well, you know – PC is allways the best. It shits on the 8-core-processor of the next-gen-consoles. 1.6 Ghz? Hahahah- on PC you can have 4-5 Ghz, if you want that. Well it says all about sonyfanboys. They don`t even know, that todays pc can be put as a console too.
After that twitter post I knew the apology would happen. It happened sooner than I thought it would!
id love to support more third parties if they brought all there ps3 360 ports to wii u but they just dont. nintendo is taking forever to bring there games out. the next game ima get is nes remix 2 but that wont last me long. after mario kart i might pick up that transformers game cause fall of cybertron was real good
Amazing Spiderman 2 is releasing march 30th :). That’s a wonderful game, just saw the directors play through of some levels. Rpg elements included.
2GIGs of RAM, 1080P/60fps games that are actually highly rated. GPGPU, 3 core CPU with cores that are more efficient than the PS4’s 8 cores. Pikmin 3 alone is loaded with more diversity and strategic fun than Titan fall’s 900P fps cloud over hyped nonsense. Wait what games are even good on the xbone? PS4 knack sucks. Infamous second son though, is a wonderful game. 3DS is balling and gaming heaven in one.
This has nothing to do in relation to the article but do you even really own a Wii U or just read articles all day? I do and I can tell nearly all the 1080p games are all upscaled from 720p, they are not native 1080p. Not like it really matters but at least know what you’re talking about is all.
I also have no clue how you came to the conclusion that a three core PowerPC based CPU is more efficient than an eight core APU who’s architecture was specifically built for these consoles..? I love my Wii U, I really do, but what are you smoking?
The CPU is the worst thing in the Wii U, any person with any understanding of technical hardware attributes knows this. The PowerPC 7 series which the Wii U uses is so old, the tech was used back in 1997 and I am not bull shitting you on that. It is an IBM PowerPC 7 series processor, nothing special about it at all.
I also hate to break it down to you further but both the Xbox 360 and PS3 still have better processors than the Wii U does. The good parts in the Wii U are the improved RAM and GPU, the CPU honestly sucks. To give a real example of this the Wii used basically the same exact IBM 7 series processor but it was only one core.
So now all the sudden the Wii processor is amazing now because it has three cores? I really can’t stand when people just cannot accept something for what it is and instead have to make it something it just isn’t.
The Wii U will never be as powerful as the PS4 or Xbox One, so stop making yourself look foolish in trying to claim it will be, even if the system has more 1080p games than both the PS4 and Xbox One combined, it still will not change that. Those are facts that cannot change unless the hardware in the Wii U itself changes which won’t happen. It is not stopping me from enjoying the system any less because of this and I don’t know why it would for anyone else for that matter. Especially when knowing for the longest time now Nintendo has never made the most powerful systems around, so why is it a surprise to anyone with the Wii U?
Now we get an HD system finally and you people cannot shut up about it, looking just as foolish as PS4 and Xbox One fans constantly arguing over resolutions. When what did Wii users say about PS3 and Xbox 360 people bragging about their graphics and resolution before? None of that mattered but game play, now you guys act no better now that the Wii U has HD graphics also..
It is truly pathetic. I guess some people just have to justify their purchases by lying to themselves on the regular basis.
This was post made sense. Nintendo is lacking in power, but a new Zelda even built on n64 architecter would sell… For gameplay alone. That’s what Nintendo survies on
If we’re gonna talk about processor architecture, I should mention that both the Xbox One and PS4 runs on the x86 architecture. Other than that little discrepancy, good post.
Michelle, you don’t get hardware really do you.
All you just said is complete trash!
Sorry – hate it to say you this – but- you obviously have no clue what you are talking about! BTW: The 8-core slow CPu AMD Jaguar (which is a fucking Tablett/Netbook-CPU you should know, nothing special in there) was never meant to be used in a console ;) The PS4/Xbox One are a PC to be precise. Well, its not a real PC, of course, but the architecture are the same- those 2 consoles don`t use spcial things which have to be learned.
Well – i say it in one senctence: I guess you don`t know nothing about CPUs and latencies and cache/memory-subseystems at all. That makes your name – Michelle- perfect as well.
sorry but you cant compare a kiddy puzzle game to titanfall. 3ds is just a kids console.
Go eat some KFC sasori and chill the fuck out, if you know what I mean
You are an idiot if you think 3ds is for kids and you should’nt talk since you’re also a little turd..lol
>cant compare a kiddy puzzle game to titanfall.
yeah, those “kiddy games” arent as awful as TitanFall
I’m guessing the fanboy got a little wet from hearing about its specs again
that guy is so easy to bash
he literally posts without knowing
Oh fucking please. 45+ million 3DS verses 3.7 Xbox Ones or 7 million Vitas says you’re more blindly retarded than a drunk bat.
And you’re one to talk about comparing consoles when you’re sitting on your ass to the 2003 PC screen typing crap away 24/7 like a no life you are, saying 360 is the best invention since underwear when its nothing more than a watered down, 3rd rate (3rd place) PC knockoff with DRM, ripoff online service and endless spam of shooters after shooters and realism garbage thus saying it lacks creativity.
Well then go compare Titanfall to IronFall graphics/mechanics. Huh? What about that, Fucking stupid idiot! Get out of here! NO ONE WANTS YOU HERE. Go look what games are going to be on 3DS this year alone. 3DS laughs about PS4 and Xbox one ;)
yall know this pinball shit dev clearly tried to insult the wii u because he plan on advertising this shit of a game on news sites like this to garner audience
Well if that’s the case, then this moron just got he wished for but not exactlt as originally hoped. Now no one will buy this crap pinball clone #472.
Wii U’s power is great!
Please read, you can understand! To settle this once and for all!!
Ps4 and Xbox One run on an x86 while a Wii U runs on PowerPC.
x86 architechture runs on what is called CISC. Complex Instruction Set Computing. This allows for developers to have a lot of resources available at the beginning, but very little room to grow. Power-based architecture runs on what is called RISC. Reduced Instruction Set Computing. The memory footprint is much smaller and much faster than that of a CISC-based x86 CPU which are the type used in the XB1 and PS4.
Loosely translated, it takes massive amounts of RAM and computational power do to the same thing that a Power-based CPU does with far less memory and computational power.
The Wii U does not need 4GB of RAM to do the same level of performance as the PS4 and XB1 as was explained in detail in a link I will provide if you want. The reason Microsoft and Sony chose x86 over PowerPC this time around was to lessen the loss on hardware, and to entice more 3rd parties to develop for their console because of the relative ease of working with x86 which for all intents and purposes is like developing for a PC. However what you gain with ease of development, you lose out on longevity.
The Wii U has 3 CPUs. A Tri-Core PowerPC750, a Dual Core ARM Processor, and a sound processor. The bandwidth of the eDRAM in the Wii U can be clocked as high as 1TB per second which smokes the XB1 eDRAM, eSRAM, and the PS4 GDDR5 RAM. It was a machine built on elegance, speed, and efficiency.
Developers are already hitting walls with XB1 and PS4 dev kits. Resogun on the PS4 uses 50% of the PS4 CPU. Nano Assault NEO (made by Shin’en Multimedia who actually know what they are doing with the Wii U hardware) looks just as good if not better than that and only runs on one core.
Whether the 50% means 50% of the entire PS4 CPU which is 8 cores or 50% of the allotted CPU for gaming use which would be 2 out of 4 cores, that still is a very bad sign that a downloadable launch-title uses that much CPU power. We already know that Killzone: Shadow Fall uses 3GB of RAM which is more than 80% of the allotted RAM on the PS4 (4-5GB.) Again, a launch title. These systems are going to have to last for at least 10 years for Microsoft and Sony.
The bottom line is that PowerPC architecture is superior to that of x86, but it’s not for lightweights. If you are lazy or lacking in development experience then you are going to struggle. Those who are very talented and well-versed in game developmental language of all kinds will have an easier time unlocking the power of the Wii U.
The longer developers play around with it the more they discover how powerful it really is. If you have followed the comments from Slighty Mad Studios, guys who are working on Project CARS, you can tell that they keep discovering new things about the Wii U and are constantly surprised on how far they can push things without the console even breaking a sweat.
Not to mention that the power consumption on the Wii U is superior to that of the PS4 and XB1. Only uses 33 watts of power. Not even 50% of what it is capable of handling.
If the Wii U had an 8-core PowerPC CPU and 8GB of RAM along with the 32MB of eDRAM it has it would absolutely rip the PS4 and XB1 to shreds.
Maja could you as Sickr and Alba to use your information in an article. That is great reading and very informative. Thank you :).
;-) np :-)
Oh my god you people are delusional as fuck.. I am not saying the Wii U is weak but seriously now you’re saying PowerPC architecture is better than x86… Holy shit.. I can only take so much ignorance in one day.
Read about the console you are talking up first please, do yourself a favor and actually learn something correct about it. The PowerPC processor in the Wii U is based on the same architecture used in the PowerPC 7 series line which is far from new or would ever out perform x86 or x64 processors.
If what you were saying had any ounce of truth to it, basically every PC known to man would be using PowerPC based processors and clearly, very clearly that is not the case. The only time you see PowerPC processors in a PC is when it is just that, a budget PC. They are usually netbooks, cheap laptops and in cheap unmodifiable desktops.
Barely anyone uses IBM processors because they just aren’t as great as x86 and x64 ones.
You people seem to forget project cars is releasing on more than just the Wii U. I will let it speak for itself when it releases so you then realize how stupid you were being about it.
Making claims the Wii U is more powerful than the PS4 and Xbox One is so outrageous…. Nintendo themselves would gladly tell you even that is not true.
Anyway as I said when Project Cars releases on Xbox One, PS4 and the Wii U.. Come back and let me know which version actually runs and looks the best..
I know you think I am just downplaying the Wii U but contrary to that I really love the system but I am just not a delusional fuck who has to always claim my favorite system is the most powerful even when all evidence and the actual hardware it has goes against those claims.
Tudor was asked by Gaming Bolt whether or not the lower specs of the Wii U compared to Xbox One and PlayStation 4 would ultimately affect the gorgeous racing game on the platform. Here’s his reply:
“No, if anything I think it’ll showcase the hidden power that the Wii U has. There’s no equivalent of Project CARS on Wii U, yet we hear the shouts from Nintendo fans loud and clear that they can’t wait to get their hands on this kind of experience so we hope to make them proud with the quality of the visuals.
“Sure there are maybe more stringent technical constraints but the same core experience will remain, plus additional features that take advantage of the controller’s unique second screen and touch interface.”
nintendrones are in denial. xbox one is stronger than wiiu by far. wiiu couldnt even run dixectx11 while xbox one is already reaching directx12. wii underpowered confirmed.
You are black and ugly, confirmed
Black is beautiful moron. If you have been delusioned by institutionalized college propaganda that dictates that even the Christian crusades were correct you are an ignorant moron. Black people and those of color need no cosmetic subset surgery when 42 years old. Sudan and Ethiopia have more pyramids than modern day Egypt; you just got schooled. Hope you can decipher what I just shared lol.
your black and ugly too bitch
…..one, ONLY XBOX has DX, PS4 cant run DX11 either. Two DX12 is not harder to run than 11, in fact its designed to be EASIER to run. Its meant to overcome the WEAKNESS of the Xbox One.
you fail at your debate.
ofc is stronger, but you are wrong
DX12 CAN be used on WiiU. Just remember, DX is a MICROSOFT ONLY API. Even the Ps4 runs on something better than DX12
WiiU just uses its own API
Thus, it is exactly +100!
blah blah blah
As you know the PS4 and XBOX One have a 8-core x86 CPU code named ‘Jaguar.’ They also have 8GB of system RAM. It is said that the PS4 GPU is either a 7870 or a 7850 and the XBOX1 GPU is a 7850. x86 architecture uses what is called CISC or (Complex Instruction Set Computing.) This allows for the hardware to do the majority of the work and gives developers most of the power available right away.
The Wii U has 3 CPUs. A custom tri-core PowerPC750 built to run like a Power7 code named ‘Expresso.’ It also has a dual-core input/output ARM processor and a dedicated sound CPU. So altogether the Wii U has 6 available physical cores. PowerPC runs on what is called RISC (Reduced Instruction Set Computing.) This approach uses a much smaller memory footprint and has much faster communication. For those who are lazy this is kryptonite, but for those that are ambitious and talented this is a dream because it allows for better performance with very low power consumption. Once you actually take the time to figure out the architecture and make a engine making games will be just as easy as making them on the PS4 and XBOX1, but with better results.
No only that, but PowerPC technology is more efficient than x86. One core of a PowerPC is worth 2 cores of an x86 So to put that in perspective. If you look at the fact that the Wii U has 3 CPUs with 6 cores between them that would be an equivalent to 12 cores of an x86. To show how this plays out in captivity, Resogun for the PS4 uses HALF of the 8-core PS4 CPU. Nano Assault NEO only uses on core of the Wii U. Nano Assualt NEO on the PS4 would use 2 cores. Not only that, Nano did not use any of the eDRAM on the Wii U GPU or any GPGPU functionality. And it was ported off of a last-gen engine. The games look virtually the same in terms of graphics.
So as you can see at WORST the Wii U is capable of doing anything the PS4 can. At best (probably 1st-party games only) we may see games that actually look BETTER on the Wii U than the PS4. People will never accept this and that is fine but I’m just glad I know the power the Wii U has. It didn’t even rally need to be this powerful but it’s nice that it is. This kind of reminds me of the GameCube vs XBOX debate. On paper it looked like the XBOX was more powerful but the GameCube actually was more efficient and outperformed the XBOX. It’s all about optimization. That’s what Slightly Mad has done for Project C.A.R.S. and what Criterion did for NFS:MWU.
let me correct you on something. The PS4 only lets devs use 6 cores, the other 2 are locked to the OS
dude powerpc is not effiecent ,but if it was why does the ps4version of cod ghost trashes all wiiu games.
Because the Wii U version was a poor port done by another company?
It fucking well it.
CoD may run better on PS4 because x86 just reads code as it is. With PowerPC you can run code faster.
Exactly. But you konw what? They don`t want it on WiiU to run better. Thats is. It has to be programmed specifically. It costs more money to do so. and therefore no cheap Third-partys (except Slightly Mad Studios) are goin to program specifically for WiiU. All WiiU has got till today is cheap Third-Party-Ports.
Michelle, did you now clearly all about the Wii U CPU / GPU????????
*x86 Architecture (in both PS4 & Xbox 1): 1978 (16-bit), 1985 (32-bit), 2003 (64-bit).
*PowerPC (in Wii U): 32-bit/64-bit (1992).
All 3 @ 64-bit architecture. But PowerPC itself IS newer (by roughly 14 yrs.), so I don’t see how it’s “outdated”. Even with PowerPC’s 32-bit/64-bit being 11 yrs. older than x86’s 64-bit incarnation, PowerPC is based in newer tech & has continually been optimized since 1992. It took x86 18 yrs. to leap into 64-bit, & IBM was able to basically use x86 as a template to make their own architecture, presumably better or equal, otherwise there’d be no point other than to capitalize on having their own alternative (but they’d still need to compete). Plus, Wii U’s version is comparitively more customized (which has also been optimized since GCN’s development).
& “According to Engadget, who spoke with IBM about the technology powering Nintendo’s new console, the system makes use of the same processor technology that powers Watson, the supercomputer that recently beat a bunch of contestants on Jeopardy. While IBM wouldn’t reveal the processor’s clock speeds, the Wii U uses a 45nm custom chip with, what IBM states, is “a lot” of embedded DRAM.”
& NASA’s Curiosity rover (launched in late 2011) uses the RAD750, a radiation hardened version of the IBM PowerPC 750 chip. So NASA trusts PowerPC architecture. I doubt they’d send something “cheap” & “outdated” to Mars. Sure, they’re going to cut costs, but not @ the expense of a mission failure or subpar results.
x86 is more familiar, but it requires more resources to achieve what the newer, PowerPC architecture can w/ less. Work smarter, not harder. Ultimately, PS4 & X1’s respective maxes might exceed Wii U’s. But, w/ Wii U’s heavily customized & comparatively unfamiliar architecture, mainstream devs only base Wii U’s capabilities on raw tech specs, the “norm”, & budgetary & temporal constraints. Ease-of-use has helped garner support for the latest set of twins, but will that help in the long-term? & it seems that the more power devs have @ their disposal, the less insentives they have to focus on what’s important. Major 3rd parties are powerdrunk while “underpowered” handhelds & indies become a forces for creativity & gameplay.
What did major 3rd parties do when they saw the power of Wii U? They mostly rushed 7th gen ports of games that were designed for the Sony/MS crowd. While I certainly don’t represent the entire Ninty culture, but multiplatting Prince of Persia was good. Multiplatting Assassin’s Creed, not so great. Shooters? Where’s Red Steel 3, The Conduit 3, RE Chronicles, House of the Dead? Really, we are of a different gaming subculture (Nintendo/SEGA), outnumbered by the twins & PC gaming subculture (multiplats w/ hardcore audiovisuals & photo-realism).
I don’t really equate tech specs & graphics to fun. But I’ve rarely swam in the mainstream anyway.
You know what? X86 architecture is based on 1980 technique. No joke. It was invented then and used till today. So going by your logic its bad/slow. But it isnt. But there are 2 big differences between powerPC and X86:
1St: Efficiency. RISC is much faster at handling certain tasks than X86 is
2nd: Programming. X86 – even a complete idiot can program this kind of cpu. Its an “allrounder”, it does everything, but not so good. Its inefficient.
By the way- its funny, that you call yourself- technically offended. Obviously you know nothing about apple cpus or powerPC at all.
That is an interesting post and all, but could you post some sources on that information? It’s not that I don’t believe you, but if you have proof to back this up, it definitely helps, if only for the reason to shut doubters up.
MK8, Project CARS, will be evidence, and at E3 will be proof that the Wii U will have a nice game! ;-)
Looks like that Mike Lenduckway guy’s important information is catching on finally.
^^^^^^Correct!!!!!!!
I researched this and its straight up true. Wii U intelligently uses cheap low tech to pump considerable results when done right and Nintendo with a hand full of other devs have pulled this off and demonstrated that Wii U can par with PS4 but only very close which is more than good enough.
The problem with how Wii U is judged is that the poor minds of humanity have lost their conception of understanding technology and how it works from the inside and out but I believe in Nintendo because they do their homework..most of the time.
We don’t need your half-hearted apology, random game developer. Shame on you for unjustly putting the Wii U down, like most other idiots who seem to want Nintendo to fail.
They still have jackasses like this putting their foot in their mouths? SMH
Dam…bet they are hating to apologizing when they know they are wrong.
Well then… >.>
seems like they’re just trying to gain attention…
I agree…
Thank you Maja, you have informed me and I’m sure many other people on the power comparison of the 3 NEXT GEN consoles. :)
sorry wiiu is not next gen. all maja did was just copy and paste what other nintendrones said. wiiu is not next gen and reggie confirmed it.
sasorideidaraobi, calm passions, and leave the Nintendo game to enjoy the games that are coming! ;-)
it is, know the definition of Generation
and reggie never said shit
Lord Reggienator doens’t even care about what you corrupted life-forms believes in…
Your blond is showing again.
^TWAT!
Read the top comments about Wii U’s true specs definition and how super efficient Wii U’s architecture really is. How come PS4/Xbox One have more RAM and seem “powerful”? Because its raw specs are actually older technology that require more technical support to run while Wii U requires less and has different architecture/coding.
Wii U was never weak. It was obviously misunderstood and underestimated because small minds like yours only look at things based on higher numbers and PR BS from companies to fool you to think its bigher and better when the fact is PS4/Xbox One are more power hungry in more ways than one and Wii U actually balances both worlds of power and efficiency.
Once more time passes and more willing developers understand Wii U, its true power will be revealed and then..only then every fool on the planet will regret misjudging Nintendo..for the millionth time over judging the cover instead of the book.
You sir will obviously not learn nor even care to realize or research how wrong you are being quick to jump on the same train wreck bandwagon of blind hate judging a console by numbers and not by doing the math first hand.
Your right, its current gen.
How can he works in the video game industry, if dont even know about consoles tech specifications????
That sounds like a big joke altogether, what a load of crap…
#damagecontrol
haha guy needs to be fire. who gave him a job if he doesn’t even know how a console works.
because in the game world there are jobs where you never even see the game running on the devkit
then why even say anything, fail.
As you know the PS4 and XBOX One have a 8-core x86 CPU code named ‘Jaguar.’ They also have 8GB of system RAM. It is said that the PS4 GPU is either a 7870 or a 7850 and the XBOX1 GPU is a 7850. x86 architecture uses what is called CISC or (Complex Instruction Set Computing.) This allows for the hardware to do the majority of the work and gives developers most of the power available right away.
The Wii U has 3 CPUs. A custom tri-core PowerPC750 built to run like a Power7 code named ‘Expresso.’ It also has a dual-core input/output ARM processor and a dedicated sound CPU. So altogether the Wii U has 6 available physical cores. PowerPC runs on what is called RISC (Reduced Instruction Set Computing.) This approach uses a much smaller memory footprint and has much faster communication. For those who are lazy this is kryptonite, but for those that are ambitious and talented this is a dream because it allows for better performance with very low power consumption. Once you actually take the time to figure out the architecture and make a engine making games will be just as easy as making them on the PS4 and XBOX1, but with better results.
No only that, but PowerPC technology is more efficient than x86. One core of a PowerPC is worth 2 cores of an x86 So to put that in perspective. If you look at the fact that the Wii U has 3 CPUs with 6 cores between them that would be an equivalent to 12 cores of an x86. To show how this plays out in captivity, Resogun for the PS4 uses HALF of the 8-core PS4 CPU. Nano Assault NEO only uses on core of the Wii U. Nano Assualt NEO on the PS4 would use 2 cores. Not only that, Nano did not use any of the eDRAM on the Wii U GPU or any GPGPU functionality. And it was ported off of a last-gen engine. The games look virtually the same in terms of graphics.
So as you can see at WORST the Wii U is capable of doing anything the PS4 can. At best (probably 1st-party games only) we may see games that actually look BETTER on the Wii U than the PS4. People will never accept this and that is fine but I’m just glad I know the power the Wii U has. It didn’t even rally need to be this powerful but it’s nice that it is. This kind of reminds me of the GameCube vs XBOX debate. On paper it looked like the XBOX was more powerful but the GameCube actually was more efficient and outperformed the XBOX. It’s all about optimization. That’s what Slightly Mad has done for Project C.A.R.S. and what Criterion did for NFS:MWU.
^^^^^ All of that is completely correct.
If anyone understood hardware, then that’s the perfect answer.
Being a professional IT engineer myself I can say that’s all correct.
So why doesn’t Nintendo themselves point this out?
Because Nintendo is not in the business of saying their dad is better than your dad
Why does Nintendo cheap on on hardware so much? I’m all for fun>graphics, but they should at least have pimped it up just enough to be in line with the other two next(/current) gen consoles instead of being a PS3 1.3 :S
Let me read a bit of the other posts before commenting! All I have explained to you!
My Nintendonews, take my explanation and put the article in particular, and others in order to understand how the Wii U console! Or you just take crap statements?! ;-)
Wii U power!
As you know the PS4 and XBOX One have a 8-core x86 CPU code named ‘Jaguar.’ They also have 8GB of system RAM. It is said that the PS4 GPU is either a 7870 or a 7850 and the XBOX1 GPU is a 7850. x86 architecture uses what is called CISC or (Complex Instruction Set Computing.) This allows for the hardware to do the majority of the work and gives developers most of the power available right away.
The Wii U has 3 CPUs. A custom tri-core PowerPC750 built to run like a Power7 code named ‘Expresso.’ It also has a dual-core input/output ARM processor and a dedicated sound CPU. So altogether the Wii U has 6 available physical cores. PowerPC runs on what is called RISC (Reduced Instruction Set Computing.) This approach uses a much smaller memory footprint and has much faster communication. For those who are lazy this is kryptonite, but for those that are ambitious and talented this is a dream because it allows for better performance with very low power consumption. Once you actually take the time to figure out the architecture and make a engine making games will be just as easy as making them on the PS4 and XBOX1, but with better results.
No only that, but PowerPC technology is more efficient than x86. One core of a PowerPC is worth 2 cores of an x86 So to put that in perspective. If you look at the fact that the Wii U has 3 CPUs with 6 cores between them that would be an equivalent to 12 cores of an x86. To show how this plays out in captivity, Resogun for the PS4 uses HALF of the 8-core PS4 CPU. Nano Assault NEO only uses on core of the Wii U. Nano Assualt NEO on the PS4 would use 2 cores. Not only that, Nano did not use any of the eDRAM on the Wii U GPU or any GPGPU functionality. And it was ported off of a last-gen engine. The games look virtually the same in terms of graphics.
So as you can see at WORST the Wii U is capable of doing anything the PS4 can. At best (probably 1st-party games only) we may see games that actually look BETTER on the Wii U than the PS4. People will never accept this and that is fine but I’m just glad I know the power the Wii U has. It didn’t even rally need to be this powerful but it’s nice that it is. This kind of reminds me of the GameCube vs XBOX debate. On paper it looked like the XBOX was more powerful but the GameCube actually was more efficient and outperformed the XBOX. It’s all about optimization. That’s what Slightly Mad has done for Project C.A.R.S. and what Criterion did for NFS:MWU.
Ps4 and Xbox One run on an x86 while a Wii U runs on PowerPC.
x86 architechture runs on what is called CISC. Complex Instruction Set Computing. This allows for developers to have a lot of resources available at the beginning, but very little room to grow. Power-based architecture runs on what is called RISC. Reduced Instruction Set Computing. The memory footprint is much smaller and much faster than that of a CISC-based x86 CPU which are the type used in the XB1 and PS4.
Loosely translated, it takes massive amounts of RAM and computational power do to the same thing that a Power-based CPU does with far less memory and computational power.
The Wii U does not need 4GB of RAM to do the same level of performance as the PS4 and XB1 as was explained in detail in a link I will provide if you want. The reason Microsoft and Sony chose x86 over PowerPC this time around was to lessen the loss on hardware, and to entice more 3rd parties to develop for their console because of the relative ease of working with x86 which for all intents and purposes is like developing for a PC. However what you gain with ease of development, you lose out on longevity.
The Wii U has 3 CPUs. A Tri-Core PowerPC750, a Dual Core ARM Processor, and a sound processor. The bandwidth of the eDRAM in the Wii U can be clocked as high as 1TB per second which smokes the XB1 eDRAM, eSRAM, and the PS4 GDDR5 RAM. It was a machine built on elegance, speed, and efficiency.
Developers are already hitting walls with XB1 and PS4 dev kits. Resogun on the PS4 uses 50% of the PS4 CPU. Nano Assault NEO (made by Shin’en Multimedia who actually know what they are doing with the Wii U hardware) looks just as good if not better than that and only runs on one core.
Whether the 50% means 50% of the entire PS4 CPU which is 8 cores or 50% of the allotted CPU for gaming use which would be 2 out of 4 cores, that still is a very bad sign that a downloadable launch-title uses that much CPU power. We already know that Killzone: Shadow Fall uses 3GB of RAM which is more than 80% of the allotted RAM on the PS4 (4-5GB.) Again, a launch title. These systems are going to have to last for at least 10 years for Microsoft and Sony.
The bottom line is that PowerPC architecture is superior to that of x86, but it’s not for lightweights. If you are lazy or lacking in development experience then you are going to struggle. Those who are very talented and well-versed in game developmental language of all kinds will have an easier time unlocking the power of the Wii U.
The longer developers play around with it the more they discover how powerful it really is. If you have followed the comments from Slighty Mad Studios, guys who are working on Project CARS, you can tell that they keep discovering new things about the Wii U and are constantly surprised on how far they can push things without the console even breaking a sweat.
Not to mention that the power consumption on the Wii U is superior to that of the PS4 and XB1. Only uses 33 watts of power. Not even 50% of what it is capable of handling.
If the Wii U had an 8-core PowerPC CPU and 8GB of RAM along with the 32MB of eDRAM it has it would absolutely rip the PS4 and XB1 to shreds.
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if say wiiu is next gen which is not. why is wiiu not getting batham arkham city,the crew or final fantasy xv. wiiu is not gen and powerpc processer is not useful to run next gen games,nintendo went cheap and built hardware from ps3 and missing features.
sasorideidaraobi, just read! problem the Wii U console that should take a lot of effort, extra time, money to play on the Wii U was in full force console!
Few of them is that for now, take it as it should, for example: MK8, Project CARS, and some ..
But I believe that at E3 will be surprises! ;-)
you compare a cartoon graphics to forza 5 graphics. the wiiu is only next gen towards ninty dev and there fan.
You overlooked Project Cars. I’m pretty damn sure that game on Wii U looks just as appealing.
Still using that retard hate brain of yours you found in the dumpster where you were born.
and who gives a crap on forza?
Project cars is WAY better than that and can be played on WiiU
Forza 5 at least looks like is only half done rehash of Forza 4 which comparing both together, doesn’t look any different.
Project Cars on Wii U is more of a technological achievement than any other system its ported for and the studio are more than curious and willing to explore every inch of power Wii U packs and unleash it that’ll make most third parties look pathetic when bitching about Wii U.
You’re right, it’s actually CURRENT gen, along with your preciou Xbone and PS4. Tard.
(you compare a cartoon graphics that forza 5 graphics), I’ll never compare, but the cartoon graphics are sometimes demanding of graphics used by Forza 5, and MK8 has better effects than Forze 5, the effects are important .. And if you ask me played I Forza 5 and MK8, that Pikachu looks better than Forze, but that’s not important, important is gamepley, which is far more entertaining than MK8 Forze! ;-)
because we have to listen a naruto fan?
Ignore that fucking Xbox One DRM ass kissing retard. The poor baby is still sore of not getting a console he wants but instead gets a Nintendo from his parents for Christmas and instead of being thankful of what it offers, he whines like a pussy and tries to get into the “cool” crowd talking out of his ass using the same old weak ass untruthful comments about Nintendo that we all heard and quickly got tired of years ago.
Nothing but a selfish, bitching American retard troll wanting to downgrade to Xbox 360..the model with the Red Ring and yet dare call Wii U “an inferior console”.
actually wiiu has drm idiot especially the 3ds.
you can use games on other 3DS and WiiU. On X-Gone, not that easy.
Where’s your definition of DRM?
edit: only Digital Games cannot be sold/shared, like steam
That’s not DRM moron. Its region locked meaning the system is programmed to read games from its own country and why do Region Locking your dumbass wonders?…Because of piracy that Nintendo has been at war against for years.
Learn WTF DRM is before uttering more diarea BS out of your mouth.
Every console and handheld from the Odyssey to the PS4 has DRM which is Digital Rights Management. If a console did not have DRM, games would not sell well as they would be pirated.
eshop and lock account system drm
Your pathetic ignorance can be sensed by lightyears…
You’re right, it does have Deadly Revolutionary Mechanics…
May i ask yourself- why there is no Sonic Boom, no Mario Kart 8 – no Fast Racing Neo – no X on PS4/Xbox One? It has always been like this. Not all games are on all available platforms. Its called exclusive.
And just for your information: I hate the games you called- Final Fantasy XV? That is shit since the last 2 parts. I hate Batman, i don`t want that on my platform. And it don`t want the Crew either.
Somewhere along the road most people lost their way and started to believe that the prettier the game the better the game-play. That my friends is, as some of you know, nothing even close to truth. I don’t care what company is making the game, be it Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft, whoever, it doesn’t matter. What does matter is the experience for the gamer, if that’s enjoyable then they are doing their job right. Some people need to get out of this, graphics whore, closed mind set because if your not careful we’ll all just be sitting zombified pressing one button in a series of quick time events and calling that a videogame.
Thank god I’m not part of that BS Graphics> Gameplay Brigade.
I’m staying with Wii U despite some BS Nintendo but mostly 3rd Parties have caused and maybe buy a PS4 later down the road when there’s better games for me (see the irony of what PS4 is going through and yet Wii U gets condemned)
You honor our empire as usual…
And indeed, Nintendo will always be my only choice aslong as they don’t become the other 2, specially the Microsoft Realm…
Wow. You dare talk shit about a Wii U being incapable after just saying you unable to program a game into it? That’s not the system being the problem. Its the developers sucking at their job understanding the damn tech and programming of the console.
I hate it when these fuckers talk out of their ass knowing the people with a brain have long realized that its the developers responsibility to deliver the most compelling gaming experience as possible by best understanding the nature of consoles. If you can’t get it right, then it obviously means you’re missing something. It was never the console. The developers just suck at their jobs.
Consoles don’t make the game themselves and clearly graphics don’t make the game great or play itself and yet virtually the majority of modern day “gamers” refuse to comprehend that fucking simple truth. That’s why they’re nothing but graphic drooling retarded drones loving/hating console brands for the wrong reasons.
Wow, what a bunch of idiots. That’s how you do it, people: Start off with a completely false accusation and come off as a big jerk doing so, then “apologise” after you find out that talking BS can make people think you’re an idiot, and admit he’s such an idiot that he blindly believes everything some incompetent amateur tells you.
That’s how you make sure people stick to the competition. Thanks, I’ll be sticking to Zen Pinball for all my pinball needs.
That’s okay Farsight, I’m still not buying your inferior pinball game.
Besides, somebody else already made a complete pinball game and released for Wii U last year without a problem so that goes to show hat is fucking whining idiot is exactly what most 3rd Parties are like towards Wii U.
Why they side with PS4/One? Because of the way its designed for simpler programming, its an easy way out for developers to dish out more rushed crap like Battlefield 4 for more profit meaning its a means to grub cash quicker and show less concern about the integrity and fun factor of games which is the important boundary between creativity and tardiness of game designs that determines the likeness of franchises.
Why do anyone even make these boring games?…
If I want to play a pinball game I go straight to the source…
Or get windows xp. They have space pinball
Why would I want a game like that on my PC?…
Its actually a default game that comes with the OS. And I actaully enjoy playing that pinball game. :)
Now that you mentioned it, I had a pinball game preinstallen when I bought my new computer…
But of course I deleted it along with everything Xbot related…
*pre-installed…
YUP +100 ;-)
Sad how Devs don’t know what they’re talking about. Perhaps only knowledgeable persons access the Facebook page with correct information. Corrupt! Damage Nintendo with every chance you get.
Tell us something we don’t know. Seriously, any moron can boot up Uncharted 2 or Killzone 2 and then boot up any upcoming Wii U game and they’ll see that the Wii U can’t stack up to PS3 games prior to 2010. Don’t even get me started with Uncharted 3 or the Last of Us, there is no comparison. That’s why Nintendo always opts for a non-detailed, kiddy art style because they know their p.o.s. console can’t run the real stuff. More interesting are the fanboys on this site looking up Wikipedia for technical specs that they don’t understand just to prove to themselves that the Wii U is better than Dreamcast . . .
It’s funny how every time this happens, the company has to apologize because of the backlash of Wii U consumers. If anyone should be apologizing it’s Nintendo for releasing a p.o.s. backwards system. Wii U is so backwards, it’s incest.
And you of all people know precisely what incest is like..sick fuck.
And how is it backwards at all? Pretty sounds like you’re part of the hate train group of lazy, graphic drooling stooges as well with that statement of yours. Enjoy DRM on your Xbox or the peanut gallery of PSVita.
Or the incest in his basement…
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your wise
Well, it might frighten you, but Nintendo could allways sue them, for their “behaviour” ;) You konw how it is called in commen language? Its making damage to a company – and that my friend- you can get many years or prison for it- or- a big money fine. I allways told Nintendo- i would have sued Ubisoft for breaking the contract. Its allways like that.
Wouldn`t that be more funnier? A company getting sued rigt in the ass from Nintendo, the bigger company, which has so much money, it could even buy Sony tomorrow! What that “p.o.s.” mean btw?
I don’t necessarily care if the u can perform close to the ps4. The games will still be great, but the bad thing is, it CAN perform near those two consoles. Obviously the spec sheets say otherwise, but it all boils down to optimization.
SHLOW NEWS DAY YESH?
Good to hear. I bet that Nintendo called it. Thanx for post this.
As much as I love pinball – I have 15 physical machines at home. I see no real reason to support Farsight financially anymore. I have purchased various incarnations of their product many times over the years and each one has been worse than its predecessor. The absolute dicking over of the XBOX360 community. The complete blunder of a release on the PS4 (somehow it made it through THEIR QA dept that the game was using Mobile sound clips and sounds like complete ass) – 4 months later there is no patch. No apologies and no compensation to the fans that have supported them going on 10 years now. These ignorant comments the past few days are the icing on the cake. I am done with Farsight and you should be too.
It’s amazing how quickly uninformed people are willing to bash Nintendo. As for the morons that posted on here yesterday agreeing with his original statements, maybe you should man up and apologize too!
There nothing to apologize. It is a fact that the underpowered running on 7 year old hardware baby toy excuse of a console Baby U is just minimally superior to the ps3 and xbox360. The Baby U is the Wii all over again, if it ever gets ports of triple A games it will be dumbed-down versions (just like the Wii did). The Wii barely got triple A games and when it did they were just dumbed-down/simplified versions of what was done on other consoles so they could run on the underpowered Wii. And that is happening all over again. Even Ubisoft is ditching the Baby U lolololol.
Just look at all those Mario games (Mario Kart 8 included). The simple environments, copy paste the same low polygon tree all over the place, copy paste the same low polygon flowers and bushes all over the place. Copy paste the same low polygon windmill all over the place lololol. These are the little tricks the great ones at Nintendo use to keep their lame games framerate up, if they added more detail their framerate would dip into a crawl (crawl babies crawl lololol). That why Nintendo only do baby games ever since the Wii launched. Their underpowered baby consoles aren’t capable of running high detailed environments, they have to stick to the baby and toddler cartoons simple 3D models and environments lololololol!!! The launch Mario game barely ran at 720p and this was a lame 2D side scrolling game lololol. Donkey Kong TF runs at 720p, this also is a simple side scrolling game straight out of the 90’s lolol. The Baby U can’t even run a simple 2D side scrolling game at 1080p lolololol! But don’t worry, Iwata will safe the underpowered Baby U with his “new” QOL and “non wearable devices” approach lolololol.
Are you so desperate that the Wii sold far better than PS3/Xobx360, is the whole world is desperate because Nintendo got a seventh-generation console? That’s sick!
I’ve played the game better than you would get on PS4 by graphics and before the second / third year on the PC, but do not belittle PS4 ..
watchThat, looool use by children ages to 10 years so that your post is considered drooling and provocative ;-)
I find your lack of original trolling material (which is like ripping out every single page of the internet trolling playbook) hilarious that no soul here is gonna take you seriously except for the morons with the same low level of intelligence as yours.
Wrong, wrong and double wrong!
Mario 3D World is- as the name says, a 3D-game. Its not real 3D Open World- but its 3D nontheless, american idiot!
Donkey Kong TF was a rushed game. What do you think you get with such little time of a such unexperienced team (Retro, who never made an HD-game before)???? Are you dumb? So, WiiU can of course run many games in 1080p. But the time for Donkey Kong TF or Mario 3D World wasn`t sufficient.
Look at Infamous on Lamestation 4! It looks good- but it has dropping frames too – and – man the water looks as awful as it can in an open-world-game. Hahahaha – Lamestation 4 to slow? And – this Infamous-game doesn`t even run with 60 Frames! Rather than 30 frames- but it drops to 27 or 25 too. Its so lame. Its – my guess is- because of the big latency of the gddr 5-ram.
I don’t fucking CARE about specs and shit! I said in another article that if a game looks like shit, I won’t play it. The Wii U, XBONE and PS4 all have badass games, and that’s all I care about. Also, how comes there are no good fighting games on the U except for Smash Bros, which I don’t consider a fighting game. I want a Marvel vs Capcom 3 port for wii U, God damnit!
LOL! I few weeks ago I called Sony for something about the graphics card of my laptop to see if can be updated, the thing is that it looks that I need a new PC if I want more power, but the funny thing is that the guy I was talking with said that the PS4 is way more powerful than a PC right now and I’m like… HAHAHA! XD
Seriously, this guy was just saying that so his boss could hear him promote the PS4 and I was like… “If you say that on the internet, they’ll burn you…”, the PC can always be upgraded, the PS4 can’t.
Anyway, if I want power I use my PC, but I want my Nintendo consoles for the fun and creative games, everything else I can find on PC.
Proof that the Sonyans are dominated by dictators…
And idiocy.
Our Steambox will doom the Ps4 and Xbox One letting the Wii U shine in its glory.
Sounds wonderful…
And with our help, we will support you on your war against the Apples…
Seriously? What kind of pinball are they making for not having enough power? OK anyway, now, no Nintendo owners are going to buy that.
Even if you are misinformed there is a clear difference between stating simple facts and going out of your way to demean the console and its users.
What you speak of is common socially acceptable paradigms, something trolls know nothing of. Still, we all must try to debate intelligently, lest we become trolls ourselves.
All will be well…
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