The Nintendo 3DS has a vibrant life ahead of it according to Nintendo of America president Reggie Fils-Aime. Speaking to IGN at this week’s E3 event Reggie says that they plan to continue supporting the console beyond 2018, which is quite impressive.
“The way we continue to make Nintendo 3DS vibrant as a platform is first we continue to innovate from form factor standpoint. So the New 2DS XL is just the latest for us in having form factor innovation. We know colors are a key differentiator, consumers love the variety of different colors. And also the larger screen and the different form factor in the 2DS family, we think is a going to drive and continue to drive the 3DS platform.”
“We’re going to continue to bring new content, and that’s what’s going to keep this device vibrant and keep it going well into 2018 and beyond.”
“We say that it’s a home console that you take with you and play with anyone, anywhere, anytime. It really is meant to deliver that great home console performance, you just happen to be able to undock it and take it with you, which is a key innovation,” Fils-Aime said. “But look, in the end, what we want is we want the consumer to call it their device, right? Their preferred gaming device that they can play fantastic Zelda, Mario, third-party content, all of their favorite franchises brought to life on the platform. That’s what we want. And we’re greedy and we want Nintendo 3DS right alongside it.”
It’s only a matter of time now.
seriously? i thought the 3ds being supported next year would be stupid but this? dunkey really is right. nintendo does not know how to run a company.
Did you know that Pokémon Red and Blue essentially doubled the GameBoy’s lifespan?
you’re completely right. Abandoning a system with a 66 Mil install base that’s still selling is obviously the right decision. If only Nintendo could understand this. I mean, who still plays the ps3 am i right? I mean, we have the ps4 now; Sony should have abandoned the ps3 years ago. It’s not like there are people like me who just got a ps4 this year because they aren’t drowning in money.
Sony did stop supporting it dumbass. Only third parties are still making PS3 games.
@Mike S Is that why Persona 5, a PS exclusive is on the ps3? And you made a statement on the most irrelevant part of my argument. The fact is that the ps3 is still getting support. I’m pretty sure Sony didn’t abandon the ps3 within literally a year of the 4 being out. How about you think before calling someone a dumbass. You must be pretty immature to name call someone that unprovoked.
Persona 5 was not developed by Sony. It is a 3rd-party game. Sony hasn’t developed any games for the PS3 ever since the PS4 came out, I believe.
And just because the 3DS is still selling, it doesn’t mean they should support it for years to come. It’s still selling because Nintendo is still developing games for it. The 3DS came out in 2011, it’s over 6 years old now. It’s completely outdated. Everything needs to come to an end at some point. By continuing to support it, they’re kinda standing in the way of their new sytsem, the Switch. They’re basically competing with themselves at this point, which really doesn’t seem to be something the Switch needs. The Switch needs to sell, and it would do so more effectively if Nintendo focused all their efforts, time and resources on it.
That’s how I see it, at least, but I’m no business expert, so what would I know. It’s just what seems most reasonable to me.
You have to ask yourself though, what system is more important for the company? Yes the 3ds has a large install base, but it’s not driving the company forward. The Switch IS the future for Nintendo, and honestly if the Switch fails the 3ds cannot save them. The Switch is more important, plain and simple. By a long shot. You know what is the biggest competition for the Switch? The 3ds. The 3ds is literally stealing sales away from Nintendos future if you ask me.
Well Nintendo 3DS production is about to end a little bit soon.
That comment is irrelevant. They are literally about to release a new model.
Your point?
They’re gonna produce more 3DS systems. They’re not gonna stop anytime soon.
Exactly.
Meh…I’ll get a NS when Pokemon debuts or around the end of next year. Until then I’ll be happily playing the great games coming to 3DS this year and early next year. 3DS is one of the few gaming systems out there that end on a very high note in terms of software.
When Cult Classic Remake Mario & Luigi Superstar Saga and bowsers minions, and cult-classic-to-be samus returns hit the market this fall…. hoo wee!!!
Well the software lineup for the 3DS was ok. Besides Nintendo still cares about the 3DS but the switch is there main focus.
I’m gonna need a bigger backlog.
As long as they keep up the pace with Switch games, I’m fine with this.
imo Nintendo should put all software towards the switch first and then make slightly watered down ports to the 3ds as an afterthought.
Doesn’t work that way. Development for both of them is very different and anything that’s CPU limited on the Switch would be completely impossible on the 3DS. If they were to do something like that, it was be easier to develop them from the 3DS and port them to the Switch. And even then, there are 3DS games that are distinctly made for two screens or at least portrait mode that wouldn’t necessarily work on the Switch.
Who in the right mind thought that the Switch would ever replace the 3DS? Smh
Exactly, their price points sizes and everything are completely different.
Pokémon is already confirmed for Switch. It’s the new handheld and home console.
A Pokemon game on the Switch that isn’t even here until over a year from now won’t make any difference. The Switch is considered a home console first. It took over the WiiU, not the 3DS.
If it’s getting Pokémon then yes it is taking over the 3DS. That’s kind of how the handheld generations work retard.
It’s still in development.
And that changes things how?
Just saying.
Doesn’t change a thing. The Switch and 3DS are living together. They even needed to clear that up for you “retards” who can’t grasp that.
There was a point where the GBA was still on shelves alongside the DS and Nintendo was spouting the same exact “oh, it’s not replacing anything” bullshit.
Just look at how E3 was handled. Spotlight was all Switch with 3DS on the backburner only being talked about in the Treehouse. Nintendo’s major studios had nothing to show for 3DS. Metroid: Samus Returns is a game being made by a third party, not Nintendo. Plus it’s a remake. Answer me one thing: what big games could you honestly see coming to 3DS after Ultra Sun & Moon? Can’t say 8th Generation of Pokémon that’s for damn sure. Same goes for the next big Mario, Kirby, Yoshi, Fire Emblem, Metroid, etc. Those are all confirmed for Switch and I doubt they’ll move backwards. What could possibly keep the 3DS going if all the big games go to Switch?
People thought the WiiU would somehow replace the 3DS with its two screens. Look how tbat turned out. Guess you will have to wait till past 2018 to see.
Indeed both are portable. That’s the only comparison.
The Wii U was clearly a home console stuck in your house though and Nintendo isn’t going to release another new portable.
Unless Nintendo sees a mass exodus of 3DS users buying a Switch, I guarantee they won’t be using the Switch to replace the core handheld systems for quite some time. Of course, it doesn’t help there are a couple of games still coming to 3DS & Nintendo’s promise that it will be supported beyond 2018 (sure Nintendo has lied in the past about such things but I bet many 3DS users don’t know this as some are probably still pretty casual when it comes to Nintendo’s politics.) Even then, they could always just replace the 3DS with a brand new family of handhelds. So, I repeat, unless there is a mass exodus of 3DS users & no one has any interest in a straight up handheld when the 3DS inevitably dies, Switch won’t be a replacement for handhelds any time soon & is just meant to replace home consoles. I know. The Pokemon are coming; the Pokemon are coming! But til the Switch Pokemon game releases & it has no handheld counterpart, you don’t know for certain what’s gonna happen.
Don’t get me wrong. I will be ecstatic if your hopes come true & I’ll celebrate with you, to a degree. I’m just telling you to calm down a bit & quit overhyping your hopes. You know why I am the way I am regarding Nintendo these days? Because you are doing roughly the same thing I was doing with the Wii U in 2013, 2014, & some of 2015 by hyping up the Wii U as this next big thing & that Nintendo is gonna prove everyone wrong & crush the competition and make everyone that spoke against Nintendo look like an idiot. Instead, I ended up being the one that looked like an idiot as the Wii U hit a wall & never recovered from it. Don’t let that be you or you could very well be me in the next few years. @.@
It would be business suicide if they released another handheld. All the evidence you need is the fact that nothing of note has been announced for 3DS post 2017 and that the spotlight completely focused on Switch.
Doesn’t change the possibility a Direct focusing on 3DS could come later in the year showing no telling how many 3DS games they got in the pipeline.
I honestly think you are pushing this way too hard, like I did with the Wii U hype back in ’13, ’14, & some of ’15. You could be setting yourself up to massive disappointment & become jaded with Nintendo like many others. I’m not saying not to hope for this at all but there comes a point to where too much hope is dangerous. But, ultimately, it’s your mistake to make, so I guess I’ve done all I can to get you to lower your expectations a bit. (Again, if you end up being right… Sweet, cool, awesome! Let’s all enjoy Pokemon on Switch together! But if you end up being wrong… Well I just hope you can recover…)
I’m not wrong. Just look at the games coming to the 3DS vs the Switch. Switch is getting all the inhouse developed major titles, even Pokémon, while the 3DS is getting outsourced games, late localizations, and remakes.
Pokémon is a huge factor here. It’s proof enough in itself that Nintendo won’t be releasing a separate dedicated handheld. People seem to forget that the biggest thing Nintendo wanted to fix from the Wii U era were the long droughts. Well, a single hybrid is a great solution to that.
I see you really dug your claws deep into this, so I’ll just agree to disagree. Again, I hope you’re right. For your own sake with how deep you believe in this. Not many can survive it when their belief is crushed & revealed to be a false hope. Like some people that lose their faith in their religion & just give up on living. (Not that your belief in something happening with a console is on the same level as losing faith in your chosen religion, but the point is roughly the same. lol) So mesa is moving on. We’ll both find out the truth in due time.
If I’m wrong everyone at Nintendo are a bunch of fucking morons.
I’ll wish us both luck!
You also didn’t answer my question at all so I’ll take that as your admission of defeat since you clearly have nothing :)
Just because I didn’t reply to your retarded question doesn’t mean you win. Such a retarded way of thinking. GBA and DS are both made for the handheld market. The Switch, and Nintendo even said this, considers it as a home console first.
Not the question I was referring to.
Also the Switch is enough of a handheld for GameFreak :)
For GameFreak, so one game as of now.
And Fire Emblem and all the other series that were announced for it. Notice how there wasn’t any 3DS announced game for 2018? My guess is that it’s going to ride Ultra Sun & Moon for a bit and then like the DS will mostly get small third party games like that Frozen game it got even after it left store shelves.
We recently got a new game already. Why would they announce a new one?
The point I’m making is they wouldn’t because all major development is obviously moving to Switch past Pokémon this year. Open your eyes.
And yet they confirmed support past 2018.
With what games even going into 2018?
This E3 was for the Switch naturally. Future directs can answer that question for you.
If you’re expecting big major titles for 3DS lower your expectations now. It’ll likely just be more of what we’re seeing in the latter half of 2017 sans Pokémon of course.
We won’t really know until later in the year.
A brand new Fire Emblem has been confirmed for the Switch for a while now. All 3DS got was a remake.
Of course the home console would get new games. How does that stop the 3DS?
Do home consoles get new mainline Pokémon made by GameFreak? No? Oh yeah, that’s only for the new handhelds :)
They are taking advantage of the gimmick. Who wouldn’t. Anything else?
I’m pretty sure I’ve said this to you a million times before, the Switch is NOT the replacement for the 3DS. Despite the fact that the Switch is a crap handheld that can plug into a TV, Nintendo made it as a replacement to the Wii U. That’s why it’s priced at $300.
The 3DS line is priced at anywhere from $80 for the 2DS to $200 for the New 3DS XL and it’s price range is huge reason why it sold 66 million units. That alone is a reason why the Switch can’t replace the 3DS.
The Switch is meant to bridge that gap between home console and handheld. Despite it only replacing Wii U for now .
That’s a good way of looking at it, at least when it comes to the Switch’s position in Nintendo’s hardware line up. It’s a bridge, and while this bridge is replacing the Wii U, it’s not handheld replacement.
Then why is GameFreak making the next Pokémon for the Switch? They’ve only done that with the next handhelds that replace the previous one.
For years people have been saying how pointless it is that Gamefreak didn’t release a mainline Pokémon game on a console and now that they are it’s supposed to be indicative of the whether or not the Switch will replace the 3DS? Gamefreak is not Nintendo. They could be making one Switch since it technically is a handheld or they could just be bucking old trends like how Pokémon Switch was only announced as a RPG inferring it may be just one RPG instead of two as is usually the case.
It’s because their whole reasoning for not releasing Pokémon on a home console was because the core of the series is being portable and coming together with friends etc.
Now here comes the Switch which merges the two together beautifully and is selling great. Before you even dare to bring up price and “waaaaaaah, I can’t put it in my pocket!!!” do you really think Nintendo won’t release a smaller, possibly portable only, and cheaper revision alongside Pokémon? Not to mention the current version getting a pricey by then.
The sign is also in the fact that looking at the lineup of announced games it’s clear as day a lot more internal effort is for the Switch and not the 3DS.
Again, releasing Pokemon games on handhelds only was a decision of Gamefreak and isn’t indicative of Nintendo’s hardware strategy going forward.
The fact that pricing is a “waahh” point to you is sad. It’s a huge and very relevant part of the market.
I’ve talked about the idea of a portable-only Switch with you before, too. There’s a few problem with that. The smaller you make the device the more heat can become a problem and the more the battery life takes a hit. If the Switch was shrunk to the size of a 3DS XL, it would be a 41% shrink. If the battery capacity shrunk the same amount then the 3 hours 15 min play time of BotW or Mario Kart 8 becomes more like 1 hours 56 minutes and that same battery would be powering the controls and rumble now, too.
That’s all assuming that the handheld only version of the Switch would go with a clamshell design which would make touch controls weird to reach but would be the only way to maintain a decent sized screen while shrinking it to the XL’s size.
There would other kinds of weirdness like
1. Games like 1,2 Switch become completely unplayable
2. If it still uses a USB Type-C port for charging it would make it’s incompatibility with the dock simply a software lock-out.
3. Since it would still need ventilation holes, the charging port would still be at the bottom of the device.
The reason the 3DS didn’t have the same problems despite being available in different sizes is because they designed it at it’s smallest first then increased the size afterwards so battery life and dissipation became even less of a problem.
The Switch’s is what it is. A dedicated handheld can’t be designed as an after thought, it needs to be built with these considerations in mind. The oddest thing about all of this is that we usually see handhelds being weaker but also cheaper than consoles, yet if the Switch was made into a dedicated handheld and dedicated home console after the fact, the home console would be higher specced and significantly cheaper than it’s handheld counterpart.
As for your last point, yes, more internal development is being put toward designing Switch games because it’s their new console. There’s still quite a few third party games coming to the 3DS as well as first party games including two new Pokemon RPGs. Hell, Fire Emblem Warriors is coming out for the Switch and 3DS.
The “waaah” point was only about fitting it in your pocket. My guess is Pokémon is about 2 years away from releasing which could be enough time to figure something out if they even want to make a smaller version that can fit in a pocket. Personally I have no problem just putting it in my backpack (also in its carrying case) when I’ll be away from home for any truly extended period of time (vacation, etc.) since I’ll have the bag with me anyway. Otherwise I just bring the carrying case. With how great it’s selling it seems people are ok with the size and $300 price. Price doesn’t matter as long as the product being sold seems worth it. The Switch is selling great at $300 while the 3DS struggled at $250. That says a lot imo about the hybrid concept and the inherent value people see in it by not having to buy a second console. For Nintendo that “lost hardware sale” could be made up elsewhere, like the accessories and payed online. It’s actually pretty smart but again I still see value in it.
My point is that nothing of meaning seems to be coming to 3DS after 2017 which makes it seem like it’s on its last legs despite what Reggie says about support “beyond 2018.” Personally it sounds like PR bullshit so people thinking about buying a 3DS still buy one this year. Oh, and FE Warriors is only on the New 3DS. And I wish Metroid Samus Returns was a shared port as well. I would’ve died if we had that announced for the Switch as well.
“My guess is Pokémon is about 2 years away from releasing which could be enough time to figure something out if they even want to make a smaller version that can fit in a pocket.”
Those problems I mentioned won’t just go away. They’re not using a custom chip in the Switch like in previous systems They’re using an off the shelf part. They can’t make it on a 16nm process to reduce power draw or heat unless Nvidia wants to and it seems they have no interest in doing that. That’s what the Tegra X2 is for and they have no intentions to continue making mobile chips so the next chip after that is a large 25 watt chip meant for self-driving cars.
“Personally I have no problem just putting it in my backpack (also in its carrying case) when I’ll be away from home for any truly extended period of time (vacation, etc.) since I’ll have the bag with me anyway. Otherwise I just bring the carrying case.”
That’s you though. I know someone who finds the 3DS XL way too big and prefers the regular 3DS. She loves her 3DS and isn’t remotely interested in the Switch.
“With how great it’s selling it seems people are ok with the size and $300 price. Price doesn’t matter as long as the product being sold seems worth it. The Switch is selling great at $300 while the 3DS struggled at $250.”
In it’s first month, the 3DS sold 3.61 million units world wide and it had only been available in Europe and North America for a week at that point. That’s 870,000 more than the Switch sold in it’s first month with a worldwide launch.
“That says a lot imo about the hybrid concept and the inherent value people see in it by not having to buy a second console.”
It still won’t receive many of the games the other consoles are getting so that only really applies to people just an interest in Nintendo games. It’s top selling games are still Nintendo games and a huge reason for the initial excitement around the system was Breath of the Wild which was evident by it’s over 100% attach rate.
“For Nintendo that “lost hardware sale” could be made up elsewhere, like the accessories and payed online. It’s actually pretty smart but again I still see value in it.”
That doesn’t make any sense. The Wii sold 101.63 million units WHILE the DS sold 154 million units. Do you really think that if one of them was a hybrid that the profit from it’s accessories would have equaled the profit that they other system made?
“My point is that nothing of meaning seems to be coming to 3DS after 2017 which makes it seem like it’s on its last legs despite what Reggie says about support “beyond 2018.” Personally it sounds like PR bullshit so people thinking about buying a 3DS still buy one this year.”
What’s not PR bullshit is that the 3DS was the only dedicated videogame system that had higher sales this year than it did last year. Nintendo isn’t going cut off the 3DS unless sales completely tank and the Switch sells as well as a system half it’s price. Just because they’re focus is on marketing the Switch right now doesn’t mean they don’t have 3DS games they haven’t announced yet.
“That’s you though. I know someone who finds the 3DS XL way too big and prefers the regular 3DS. She loves her 3DS and isn’t remotely interested in the Switch.”
Her loss I guess. If she wants Pokémon she’ll have to bite the bullet.
“In it’s first month, the 3DS sold 3.61 million units world wide and it had only been available in Europe and North America for a week at that point. That’s 870,000 more than the Switch sold in it’s first month with a worldwide launch.”
And past launch it struggled. Do you not remember the $80 pricecut before it’s first holiday season?
“It still won’t receive many of the games the other consoles are getting so that only really applies to people just an interest in Nintendo games. It’s top selling games are still Nintendo games and a huge reason for the initial excitement around the system was Breath of the Wild which was evident by it’s over 100% attach rate.”
All Nintendo portables, of which Switch is the latest, never received big AAA western third party games and ended up doing really well. Sometimes better than the big home consoles.
“That doesn’t make any sense. The Wii sold 101.63 million units WHILE the DS sold 154 million units. Do you really think that if one of them was a hybrid that the profit from it’s accessories would have equaled the profit that they other system made?”
DS and Wii are never going to happen again. Think more 3DS + Wii U where we have about 80 million combined so far. Especially after the confirmation of Pokémon I see no reason Switch can’t reach that number by itself. It’ll have all of Nintendo’s games and the same support the 3DS got except maybe Monster Hunter if they really have switched completely to other consoles. Now add in that everyone who wants online will have to pay for it and you can see where they’re going with it.
“What’s not PR bullshit is that the 3DS was the only dedicated videogame system that had higher sales this year than it did last year. Nintendo isn’t going cut off the 3DS unless sales completely tank and the Switch sells as well as a system half it’s price. Just because they’re focus is on marketing the Switch right now doesn’t mean they don’t have 3DS games they haven’t announced yet.”
The Switch is already outselling the 3DS week by week. Where I work Switches fly off the shelves while the 3DS’s just sit there. It’s already happening. You just refuse to see it.
“Her loss I guess. If she wants Pokémon she’ll have to bite the bullet.”
Really inspiring. Want to play Pokemon? Endure pain that is the Switch’s form factor.
“And past launch it struggled. Do you not remember the $80 price cut before it’s first holiday season?”
Yes, that is true. It’s sales tanked but I can’t find how much they tanked online anywhere nor can I find the exact point in which sales dropped off so I can’t find it out if they were bad in general or bad compared to the 3DS. If we can believe VGChartz then, as of April, total Switch sales are below what the 3DS sold it’s first quarter. For all we know, Switch sales could be destined to drop off soon.
“All Nintendo portables, of which Switch is the latest, never received big AAA western third party games and ended up doing really well. Sometimes better than the big home consoles.”
But that hasn’t been the case with Nintendo home consoles. Really, it depends on user usage. I know people who haven’t taken their Switch off the dock since launch and I’ve heard of people only using it as a handheld. To the former, it’s a home console, to he latter it’s a handheld. I can tell you that one Switch owner I know hasn’t touched their Switch since they finished Breath of the Wild and intends to buy multi-platform games on the PS4 instead. Another thing to consider is that hardware sales are only part of the
“DS and Wii are never going to happen again. Think more 3DS + Wii U where we have about 80 million combined so far.”
So your defense is that the Switch can sell as well as a dedicated handheld and dedicate home console combined but only if we use Nintendo’s least successful handheld and it’s second least successful overall system as reference? You realize the sales of the Wii U were indicative of the console market as a whole right? The PS4 has sold 90% as many units as the 3DS with two fewer years of availability and could very well outsell the Wii U and 3DSs current combined sales (79 million)
“Especially after the confirmation of Pokémon I see no reason Switch can’t reach that number by itself.”
So one Pokemon game is supposed to make the Switch outsell a system that, at this point, can play 15 Pokemon RPGs and had 8 developed specifically for it? I know Pokemon games can move a lot of systems but you’re vastly over estimating it’s strength. Maybe it’ll make the Switch outsell the Wii U all by itself but it’s big leap to say that it’ll sell 60 million units. The most successful Pokemon games were Red, Green, and Blue which sold a combined 31.38 million copies and that was technically 3 games.
X and Y sold 16 million copies and while it would be easy say that they were responsible for the 7 million 3DSs sold that holiday season, you’d be ignoring the fact that Link Between Worlds, a limited edition Pokemon 3DS, and a limited edition Link Between Worlds 3DS were all released at the same time and that about 35 million 3DS had already sold by that point.
“It’ll have all of Nintendo’s games and the same support the 3DS got except maybe Monster Hunter if they really have switched completely to other consoles.”
Weren’t those pretty big sellers on the 3DS? Are you expecting exclusive Resident Evil games for the Switch? Do you think a game that has only ever been made for devices with two screens or portrait mode like the Ace Attorney series, Pokemon Shuffle, or TheaterRhythm will come out for the Switch? Do you expect many higher budget games that weren’t already on the PS3 or X360 to be ported to Switch?
“Now add in that everyone who wants online will have to pay for it and you can see where they’re going with it.”
Why are we assuming that everyone who wants to play online is willing to pay? Even then, it’s $20 a year for a service that’s main selling point is that you can play NES games online which is something that a lot of emulators do peer to peer.
“The Switch is already outselling the 3DS week by week. Where I work Switches fly off the shelves while the 3DS’s just sit there. It’s already happening. You just refuse to see it.”
It’s a NEW system. The 3DS is 6 years old. Why is that so crazy to you?
It’ll reach 80 million due to Pokémon plus the big high quality Nintendo games that were only made for consoles before like Breath of the Wild, Mario Odyssey, Prime 4, etc.
I’m using Wii U + 3DS to be somewhat realistic. A single console will likely never again reach 150 million in sales. Why do you see 80 million as bad? It’s pretty much the same as the GBA, PS3, and 360 which were all considered a success.
“It’s a NEW system. The 3DS is 6 years old. Why is that so crazy to you?”
Why is it crazy to you that that’s exactly why 3DS is on its last legs? Switch is the very obvious successor. Embrace it or be left behind because “waaaaaah, it’s too biiiiiiig!!!!!”
“It’ll reach 80 million due to Pokémon plus the big high quality Nintendo games that were only made for consoles before like Breath of the Wild, Mario Odyssey, Prime 4, etc.”
Breath of the Wild is out already so clearly that sold about 3 million Switchs. Pokemon might sell maybe 10 million units if it lives up to hype. A Mario game on a Nintendo system is so obvious of a thing that that I don’t think it will push too many more units at all. Metroid Prime 4 is a game that is super anticipated by hardcore fans especially hardcore Nintendo fans but neither Prime 1 nor 2 were million sellers on the Gamecube and Prime 3 only sold 1.41 million copies on system with a user base of 101 million. Unless Prime 4 does something super ambitious and different for the series that gets people talking like BotW did, it’s probally not gonna push many units at all.
I’m sorry but if you think that indie games, Nintendo games, and ports of old games will get the Switch to 80 million than you’re crazy. If that were the case than the Wii U would have sold 80 million.
“I’m using Wii U + 3DS to be somewhat realistic. A single console will likely never again reach 150 million in sales. Why do you see 80 million as bad? It’s pretty much the same as the GBA, PS3, and 360 which were all considered a success.”
I never said 80 million is bad, it just doesn’t make the case that you can make as much money with a hybrid as you can make with a dedicated handheld and a dedicated home console. I dont agree that console can’t sell 150 million units anymore but if that’s what you think that then you’re making my case for me.
As you mentioned, GBA sold 81 million but Nintendo sold 21 million Gamecubes along side it so that’s 102 million devices sold and the GCN was Nintendo’s previous worst selling home console. The PS3 and X360 each sold about 85 million units WHILE the Wii was selling 101 million units. Thats 272 million units sold among the three of them and they were COMPETING.
Based on the software, price point, special editions, collectors and SKUs alone a proper 3DS succesor would sell well regardless. So if Nintendo was selling a dedicated home console along side it, then if they sold maybe 80 million handhelds and 70 million home consoles they’d be selling 150 million units overall. So if they can’t sell 150 million of one system but they CAN sell 150 million of two, then why sell only one system? Hell, whose to say they can’t also sell something like the Switch along side them as a bridge?
“Why is it crazy to you that that’s exactly why 3DS is on its last legs? Switch is the very obvious successor.”
I’m sure Gameboy Color sales were higher than the N64 when it came out. That didn’t mean it was replacing the N64 did it? When the Switch came out, it was the Wii U that Nintendo discontinued, not the 3DS and it’s in the Wii U’s price slot, not the 3DS.
I don’t understand why you want it to replace the 3DS so bad anyway. Nintendo would be shooting themselves in the head if that were the case.
“Embrace it or be left behind because “waaaaaah, it’s too biiiiiiig!!!!!””
Anybody ever tell you what an ignorant brat you can be with statements like that? So, many previous Nintendo handheld owners don’t like that the Switch can’t be pocketed and that’s somehow their problem not the Switch’s? So their opinions don’t matter and they should just shut up and not only buy a Switch but a case to protect it from scratches and get a backpack to hold that? Everybody should be glad you’re not the CEO of Nintendo because you would kill the company with your interviews alone.
Those who owned the 3DS don’t owe Nintendo shit. They’re not obligated to buy a Switch when they have complaints about it just like DS owners weren’t obligated to buy the 3DS. It’s not their fault that they don’t like something about a product. With the 3DS, Nintendo didn’t say “Fuck you, buy our system” when people complained. Instead they tried to accomidate them as best they can. Not interested in the 3D? You have the 2DS. Think the screens too small? You have the 3DS XL. You like the 3D but find it unstable? New 3DS XL.
What can the Switch do to accomidate people? The can’t shrink it for all the reasons I already mentioned. The only thing they can do is sell a console version which would be significantly cheaper than the “hybrid” version and still be roughly the same price as the much more capable Xbox One S.
I’ll be buying the Switch because I’m a really big Nintendo fan but I’ll be keeping it docked at all times because I can’t trust bringing around with me nor would I want to get a carrying case for it. I’ve never had to do that with any handheld I’ve ever owned and I never intend to do that. You may think “Oh well that’s the beauty of the Switch, you can use it however you want.” Well yea accept, as someone who has owned a PS3 since 2008 and Wii U since 2012, I was hoping that this time around, my $300 would finally get me a system that has visuals that are clearly better than the PS3 and system that would make it so I wouldn’t need to get a PS4. With the Wii U, I was fine with the hardware being on par with the Ps3 and 360 because they were the newest consoles out at the time, it could also play Wii games and was compatible with Wii accesories, and because it had something unique, the gamepad which included it’s own touch screen, mic, camera, speaker, sensor bar, and head phone jack. With the Switch, I’ll be paying $300 for a dock that may as well be part of the system for my purposes, a screen that I can’t see or use in docked mode, and if I want some of the features its missing from the Wii U, my only option is a convoluted headset that requires me to wire it up to a squidshaped module that has one wire going across the room to the console and the other going to a spare phone I have because it isn’t compatible with my main phone.
But let me answer this part for you. “Waaahh wahhh! The Switch is convoluted.”
Whatever dude. You clearly weren’t paying attention at all during E3. If you still think the “beyond 2018” comment means anything you also don’t understand PR. Remember how long it took for Nintendo to officially confirm the Wii U’s discontinuation despite the overwhelming evidence? Remember how NX wasn’t going to replace the Wii U? Remember how they said they never wanted to be in a drought situation ever again*? The 3DS is still chugging because there’s still games coming to it this year. If Reggie just came out and said, “yeah, 3DS is dead” sales would fall right off a cliff even with its last Pokémon coming. Right now they’re riding it as long as they can and are going to phase it out eventually. All major development has already moved to the Switch which means as time goes on the 3DS will become less and less attractive. The Switch will even get the third parties that supported handhelds. This is a recipe for success whether you or anyone else like it or not. It irks me so much when people just ignore all of this.
*an all in one hybrid is a great solution to that.
“Whatever dude. You clearly weren’t paying attention at all during E3.”
I watch all every conference and all of the Nintendo Treehouse stuff.
“If you still think the “beyond 2018” comment means anything you also don’t understand PR.”
And if you think a $300 oversized handheld is going to sell to a market that’s more accustomed to spending $200 or less on their systems then you don’t understand sales.
“Remember how long it took for Nintendo to officially confirm the Wii U’s discontinuation despite the overwhelming evidence? Remember how NX wasn’t going to replace the Wii U? Remember how they said they never wanted to be in a drought situation ever again*?”
Except they never said NX wasn’t going to replace Wii U. Kimishima said that NX won’t simply replace the Wii U AKA it’s not an upgraded Wii U, it’s a new concept.
“The 3DS is still chugging because there’s still games coming to it this year. If Reggie just came out and said, “yeah, 3DS is dead” sales would fall right off a cliff even with its last Pokémon coming.”
OR they’re planning an ACTUAL replacement to the 3DS that can take its price slot because since that’s clearly important to them or they wouldn’t be releasing a New 2DS XL. Also I thought Pokemon just sells systems regardless? huh.
“All major development has already moved to the Switch which means as time goes on the 3DS will become less and less attractive.”
You’re hopeless. You’re basing that off E3 announcements. Every year for like the past 4 years there has been way more console games announced that handheld games. In 2014 there was 19 Wii U games shown off and 7 3DS games announced. This year there was 11 Switch games shown off and 6 3DS games.
“The Switch will even get the third parties that supported handhelds.”
First of all, we don’t know this for sure and many of the ports its been getting have been indie games or games released that were released for the PS3 and X360. As long as they’re still making games for the PS3, then its not much of an inconvenient for them to release those games on the Switch. What happens when that isn’t the case anymore or what happens if people instead overwhelmingly opt to buy those games on other platforms where they play better? Third parties will only support a console if its worth it to them.
“This is a recipe for success whether you or anyone else like it or not. It irks me so much when people just ignore all of this.
*an all in one hybrid is a great solution to that.”
Right, I’m the ignorant one, Mikey. If you thought about this for more than 3 seconds before you threw $300 at Nintendo, you would have realized that you don’t need to have make an overpriced “hybrid” for a home console to get the third party support of a handheld. You can do the same thing by releasing two systems that share the same games.
By trying to make one system that does the job of two you make a compromised, lowest common denominator system with scalability problems like the Switch. With two systems, you can have a cheaper handheld that’s truly portable that’s nearly as powerful as the Switch and a home console that could be specced to insure that if something runs at 720p30 on the handheld can run at 1080p60 on the console. Each could have their own unique features that can unlike new ways to play and new modes depending on which device you’re playing it with. Unlike on the Switch, not only would the home console inherit support from handheld devs but the handheld would inherit support from home console devs. Sure there would be some games that would be exclusive to each device based on features but that would be better that not getting those games at all.
Wow you are making yourself look ignorant and stupid for being a long winded response each . So STFU
You could have just been honest and said “Too long. Didn’t read.”
I guess it’s easier for some people to let their inner Nintendo fanboy take over all reason & bash a person who’s opinion is vastly different from theirs even if said person by some chance has sound logic in their comment.
Thank you :-)
It seems there’s Nintendo fans who put on blinders to the possible flaws of their products and defend those flaws AKA fanboys and then there are fans who are critical of Nintendo’s flaws because they want the company to do well. I wish there was a more descriptive name for a the latter.
Fanboy use to be that more descriptive term for fans but then it became the negative term that it is today.
Wow avoiding the question and babe calling good come backs , NOT!!
Also what does this subject have to go involve the console war , I was using PS4 pro and Xbox one x as examples of the kind of leap I think Nintendo MIGHT take with Switch. You guys can keep on going into denial all you want [making it seem like you are still winning the argument by bragging and calling people names (also avoiding the subject) which u r clearly not]. Go on the PlayStation website and look up my psn profile (mosh2000)
I would respond to all of that but I don’t want to bore you with my “long winded response.”
“And if you think a $300 oversized handheld is going to sell to a market that’s more accustomed to spending $200 or less on their systems then you don’t understand sales.”
Well, it is. Lol.
Again, we don’t know that. You can’t make those judgements when it’s only been out for 3 months and has so far sold 1/20th of the amount of the 3DS.
You and many others like the Switch. That’s nice. But don’t conflate doing well at launch and long term success. Nintendo’s last console had nearly no advertising at launch while the Switch had a Super Bowl commercial. The Wii U had a game drought which wouldn’t have been so bad if not for Rayman being delayed. The Switch has been able to pad it’s line up with ports of Wii U games.
I swear everybody here is forgetting that they were hyping the Wii U at the same point in it’s release. You were all looking forward to announced games like “X”, “Yarn Yoshi”, the new Smash Bros, a 3D Mario game coming out at the end of the year, Shin Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem, an HD remaster of Wind Waker, Pikmin 3, Lego City Undercover, Project P-100, Tekken, Bayonetta 2, Rayman Legends, Mario Kart 8, etc. Sound familiar?
You all thought it would have decent third party support since it already got Mass Effect 3, Assassin’s Creed 3, Ninja Gaiden 3, Batman Arkham City, Zombi U, FIFA, NBA, Call of Duty: Black Ops 2, and Darksider 2 at launch and was getting AC: Black Flag. I would ask if this sounds familiar but this is actual more impressive third party support at launch than the Switch has.
But how about this? A third party game came out and it doesn’t appear to be much better than it was on last generation consoles so everybody starts saying “Nuh uh! The Wii U is way more powerful than the 360, these are just ports. When developers get time with the system, Wii U games will look way better than those other systems.” and that never happened. It’s just like how people continue to have hope that Switch games will one day look similar to XBO games and swear its able to run games like Rime at 1080p easily and its all just the fault of lazy developers.
Hindsight is 20/20, foresight isn’t.
I already tried that “you’re hyping up the Switch like people hyped up the Wii U & look how wrong they were” tactic.
Yea, I think I recall seeing your posts saying that. It’s sound logic but apparently it just makes us sound like douchebags because we’re trying to learn from the past.
I’m cool with Mike S so we didn’t resort to name calling & such. I don’t think you & him resorted to such things, either. It’s that mosh guy that came barging in with such fanboy rhetoric. Definitely the black sheep in these lines of comments.
To be fair, I called Mike a brat after he did the “waahh” thing for the third time. But yea, at least Mike had a conversation with me. Mosh just couldn’t deal.
How the hell I am fanboying . I just get annoyed at long winded responses especially on a forums I am following.
Well I hope 3ds lasts one more year but the writing is on the wall , Nintendo will slowly but surly kill it off support for 3ds and Nintendo Switch will be Nintendo ‘s only console. You just have major insecurity issues .
I really don’t. If you don’t think price matters at all and the degree of portability doesn’t matter for a handheld then I supposed you’d be happy to buy a Switch XL with 9″ screen for $400, right? Isn’t that exactly the same as Nintendo releasing the 3DS XL after the 3DS? No? How shocking /s
Btw, you can’t try to act like someone else is insecure if you’re the one yelling “Shut the fuck up!! You don’t know nuthin! You stupid!” in a conversation. It sounds incredibly defensive especially with your lack of any arguments. The whole thing about the Switch being their only console soon isn’t anything that Mike didn’t contribute to the conversation days ago. Do yourself a favor and actual read the conversation in full.
Wow pushijg ur own problems on to the person whom was telling the truth . Price does mater but the Switch will get cheaper too , I bet her. They kill off the 3ds they will release a more powerful Switch (like PS4 pro and xbox one X ) . So Shut up ur so annoying.
I love how you’re just assuming that Nintendo can do these things with zero knowledge of the tech behind it lol Then this is gonna REALLY annoy you. After the TX1, the only other mobile chip that Nvidia has is the TX2 which would make it only 1/4th the performance of the base PS4. Then it could finally play Rocket League at 900p60 when docked with reduced settings. How exciting! /s
But seriously, the TX2 is the last mobile chip Nvidia plans on making and would give the Switch 50% more performance. Meanwhile the PS4 Pro has at least twice the shader performance of the PS4 and the XBOX is more than 5x more capable than the XBO.
Also you realize that Wii U only went down $50 during it’s whole life span and the Wii took 5 years to go from $250-150. Nintendo’s only selling the Switch at $300 because they’re deciding to and they’re gonna try to sell it at $300 as long as they can.
No body is shutting up. You’re in a comments section. If you have a point then make it. Don’t embarrass yourself by acting like a brat.
I am going off the statement that the president of Nintendo said (they expect Switch to last a long time) , which COULD mean a more powerful Switch. Nintendo has the best exclusives out of all the big 3 (then Sony:with uncharted, the last of us , God of war , days gone , killzone , and horizon zero dawn , and then Microsoft has shit ). Go back to your pixel counting while I enjoy games I love on my ps4 and Nintendo Switch (go check out my psn profile mosh2000 and see my trophies )
Wii U was already in its slump at this point, Switch isn’t. It sold well its first month then went down significantly when 2013 started. The Switch is doing really well and hasn’t even had its first holiday season yet.
Doesn’t change the fact that we were still very optimistic about the Wii U at this point because we still saw large third party games on the horizon including Need for Speed: Most Wanted, Arkham Origins, The Amazing Spider-Man: Ultimate Edition, Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate, Injustice: Gods Among Us, Resident Evil: Revelations, Scribblenauts Unmasked, etc. Even Battlefield was announced for the Wii U though it was eventually canceled.
When you look at this stuff you should always consider all of the variables and how they factor into sales of systems. BotW had been high anticipated for years and not only did every person that bought a Switch buy at least one copy of BotW but it also reinvigorated Gamestop’s pre-owned Wii U sales (that’s $280) and sold 1 million copies on Wii U despite Wii U’s copies being damn near hidden in some stores and new Wii U’s being bought up from stores by Nintendo.
Clearly the interest in that game was so large that people snatched up any console they knew they could play it on so we have to be careful to not mistake hype for the Switch and hype for Breath of the Wild.
If you look at VGChartz (and I admit I don’t have completely faith that their numbers are 100% accurate), BotW and MK8 are at the top of weekly software sales but no other Switch game is on the list until the 18th spot with 1, 2 Switch and the first third party Switch game on the list is at 40 with only 5 titles in all making it in the top 50. Even the 3DS has 8 titles in the top 50 with third party games debuting on the list at 23 and 34. Everything else is PS4 and XBO games with most being third party. (Btw this chart is saying GTA 5 is still at number 5 after 130 weeks on sale and Mario Kart 7 is at 20 on it’s 285th week on sale which is insane.)
I’m not saying that any obvious conclusions can be drawn from these numbers but they do make me wonder how much are Switch hardware sales being carried by Breath of the Wild and how much appeal does the Switch’s concept have? How much interest is there to play non-Nintendo games on Switch? And what does that mean for future third party support?
You’ll see the same support as what’s normally on Nintendo handhelds as well as games that would’ve been on Vita since Switch is pretty much the only option. I won’t deny that there was significant hype for BotW and that that played a big part in the success of the Switch. Nintendo was very smart to delay it so it could be a launch title. Now it’s able to carry the system by itself while the library is beefed up more with the other games coming this year to make for an amazing holiday season. When it comes to third party success let’s be honest here, no one is really bringing their A game so far. Skyrim might be the first success as that’s the only third party Switch game I’ve seen get any sort of hype due to the sole fact it’s portable Skyrim. Another smart move by Nintendo as now we know this is happening because they’re publishing it. GTA 5 is a sales monster and is another game Nintendo should go after. It would just make sense.
Finally someone understands the right reason.
One of the problems with GTA 5 and the Switch is that GTA 5 made use of analog triggers which the Switch doesn’t have. But they may see that as minor.
Anyway, I always expected that people would sort of shift the goal post with the Switch. For example, I clearly find that it’s size, it’s fan and vent, vulnerable screen, price, and bottom charging port make it poor replacement for their handheld and I expected that people would explain those things away with “but it’s a home console”. And I thought that when I point out it’s flaws as a home console, people would say “well it’s a handheld”. But it seems like I only really see the latter now.
People mainly push it as a handheld that could run Skyrim and things like that. And when I hear that and when I see people say they never use it docked, it makes me feel like Nintendo just gave up on home consoles and makes me wonder if their was much point in making it a hybrid.
But bringing it back to something I brought up in previous posts, the console games we’re talking about like Skyrim that people are impressed to play on the go; Those are PS3/X360/Wii U era games or are games that still get released on the PS3 so it’s not as difficult to get port them over. Those systems are more or less in-line with the Switch’s handheld specs. But what happens when Elder Scrolls VI is made around the other consoles and is made around a higher memory spec and doesn’t port so easily? Then you don’t get those games on the Switch anymore and it just becomes a portable that plays Nintendo games and indies which is a little less unique of a selling point.
And I know you said that you feel it’ll get the third party support that the 3DS gets just because it’s a Nintendo handheld but that just seems like a bad assumption to make. It’s not a typical Nintendo handheld for all the reasons I mentioned a million times before. So why should we assume that what worked for the 3DS will work for Switch. In size, form factor and launch price, it’s much more similar to a Vita.
I’m probably not wording things all that well at this point because I haven’t slept but I’m hoping you can glean something from what I wrote down.
“it makes me feel like Nintendo just gave up on home consoles and makes me wonder if their was much point in making it a hybrid.”
Exactly like Sony they’re doubling down on the type of hardware that they’re most successful with. It just so happens that you can still play it on the TV and it was made to be more powerful than the Wii U.
Oh, and the reason they didn’t go with a straight up handheld is because announcing that they’re no longer making home consoles would’ve been a PR nightmare and stock would’ve probably plummeted. Now they can have their cake and eat it too.
That doesn’t make any sense though. Nintendo’s not unsuccessful with their consoles. The Wii U didn’t do well but the system right before it is the second most successful home console of all time. And if you want to double down on handhelds, the Switch is a terrible way to do it.
I’ve mentioned before that Nintendo would have to actively try to make the successor to the 3DS weaker than the Switch in handheld mode. In fact, it’s already possible to make an affordable handheld in the 3DS’s form factor (with 3D and 3DS and DS BC) that can work with an optional TV dock while being closer to the performance of the Switch when docked. It wouldn’t have the same promise of 1080p when docked that the Switch makes but that’s probably for the better considering that several games haven’t been able to deliver 1080p when docked OR 720p in handheld mode.
At the same time they could have release a home console at $300 that could easily outperformed the other console’s base units.
So in making it a “hybrid”, they not only made the Switch a worse home console than it could have been, they also made it a larger, worse, more expensive handheld than it could have been. And of course, it begs to people compare it not just to the other handhelds but to home consoles.
And the market loves it.
Nintendo’s best chance to realease a “me too” PlayBox and be hugely successful with it was back in 2012 when they had a full years headstart on the competition. Can you imagine how that could’ve gone down if Nintendo released a console on par with PS4 a year ahead of it? It would’ve been no contest. Now the PS4 is so ingrained in the market that people wouldn’t have cared as much. Nintendo had to go in this direction and it looks to me like it was the right one.
The Wii was the exception, not the rule. Every other Nintendo home console went down in sales from the previous one. Portables are where they have always dominated and the Nintendo name is strongest in the market.
The fact that each home console they made sold less and less with the exception of the Wii is irrelevant because it trended in the same way as the their handheld consoles.
SNES sold less than NES, N64 sold less than SNES, GCN sold less than N64, Wii sold more than all over them, Wii U sold less than all of them. GBA sold less than Gameboy, DS sold more than both of them, 3DS sold less than all of them. The difference is that Nintendo had competition in the console market and only had the most successful console for 3 of 6 generations while its handheld never had great competition and was the most successful 4 out of 4 times.
NES | 61 million | 20 years
SNES | 49 million | 13 years
N64 | 33 million | 7 years
GCN | 22 million | 6 years
Wii | 102 million | 7 years
WiiU | 13 million | 5 years
GB | 118 million | 12 years | $90
GBA | 82 million | 9 years | $100
DS | 154 million | 10 years | $150
3DS | 66 million | >6 years | $250
Excluding the DS, there’s correlation between a drop in sales and the price going up. Whats consistant between each is that they all sell for close to 10 years and they all release multiple models throughout their lifespan (GBC, GB Pocket, GB Light, GBA SP, GB Micro, DS Lite, DSi, DSi XL, 3DS XL, 2DS, New 3DS XL, New 2DS XL, and different colors). And regardless of their increasing prices, they still sold for $50 to $100 to, in some cases, $200 cheaper than their competition. $200 was in reference to the Turbo Express which was a portable TurboGrafx 16 that could be used as handheld or a console.
The secret to Sonys success was always tech and affordability. The PS1 was a 3D, CD-based console that came out before the N64 that had games that were much cheaper than the N64’s and had impressive FMVs. The N64 stuck with cartridges and had a really inefficent way to handle memory so the games were expensive and the hardware was difficult to take full advantage of.
PS2 was both a powerful console (compared to the ones that were out at the time of launch), had backwards compatability with the PS1, and was an affordable DVD player. The Gamecube came out later and was really impressive technically and easy to develop for so it got a lot of third party titles. Even though it was the only system at the time that couldn’t play DVDs, it nearly tied for second place because of it’s low price ($200-100).
With the PS3, Sony got cocky. They were tauting it’s high specs and Blu-ray playback. The problem was that this was during a format war with HD-DVD at time when consumer adoption of HDTVs (the only logical thing to play Blu-rays on) was not very high and the PS3 launched at $600. Meanwhile, Nintendo created a system that was $150 cheaper than the next cheapest system and $350 cheaper than the PS3, came with a game, featured backward compatability (and with the virtual console they tauting BC with all their systems), and featured unique tech that people could benefit from regardless of the TV they owned and Nintendo marketed it brilliantly. For those who weren’t interested in the Wii or also wanted HD graphics, the lower priced Xbox 360 took off. Xbox was the top place for “core gamers” that generation while PS3 “didn’t have any games” for awhile and only eventually beat out 360’s sales internationally thanks to Japan.
That’s when Nintendo got cocky and released the Wii U which had almost no advertising and whatever ads came out showcased the system poorly (case in point. One of my friends once said “Why would I get a Wii U? I don’t want a handheld”). And despite multiplatform games and sales being nearly non-existant on the Wii becuase of it’s specs, they only decided to make the Wii U as powerful as the consoles the Wii launched against and at a time when console sales were stagnating.
At that point, Sony was in redemption mode and launched a smaller, more powerful console than Microsoft that cost $100 less and got major brownie points for never trying the DRM thing MS tried to do. The newer systems offered a new level of spectacle for console gamers (including VR) and reinvigorated the console market despite all of the obvious flaws the consoles had that Nintendo could have capitalized on. Since Nintendo had skimped on specs so much with the Wii U, they were able to release “hybrid” console that’s more in-line with what people thought the Wii U was but about 2-2.5x more powerful when connected to a TV. The hope is that they can sell a system that’s 1/5th and 1/4th the performance of the PS4 and XBO respectively while selling for $50 to $100 more. Nintendo and the people in these comments sections are hoping that it can inherit the success of Nintendo’s handhelds while lacking the pricing, portability and flexibility of design that made every one of their previous portables a success. They’re also marketing it and pricing it as primarily a home console, a space where there actually is strong competition. And while MS and Sony are releasing systems that are designed for people to showcase the quickly increasing amount of 4K HDR TVs available, Nintendo has put themselves in a position where they’re still frequently struggling to hit 1080p and can’t even offer 4K Netflix capablilies that the cheaper systems offer.
Despite the fact that so many people don’t understand tech, they like being impressed by tech. People love fun games but they also like spectacle and those who can combine those two things make bank. Case in point, GTA 5. You just fuck around in a huge, beautiful open world and it sold 11 million copies in one day and became the fastest selling entertainment item in history (that’s video games, movies, music, books, toys, etc).
Even if Nintendo couldn’t release a home console that could overtake the PS4, they could have easily asserted themselves a head of XBO since it would have gotten all the same multiplatform games (and run them better) while having actual exclusives unlike Microsoft.
And yet it’s still selling. People see value in the concept.
Again, just because something is selling doesn’t mean it’ll succeed in the long term or that it’s sales will justify combining their hardware.
You’re also doing exactly what you shouldn’t. You can’t assume that people are buying the Switch because they value the concept. It’s the only system still available new in stores that they can play Breath of the Wild on and the game outsold the console at launch.
The real way we can tell if people like it for the concept is software sales, specifically sales of multiplatform games. That would show that people preferred to buy a game on the Switch because of the concept or purchased the game twice. Just yesterday I saw somebody on this site say that they haven’t played their Switch for two months because the only game they have is Breath of the Wild. I think it’s fair to assume they’re a Nintendo fan since they’re on this site and even they don’t seem to see the additional value the handheld mode adds to Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. I realize that’s one person but they’re at least proof that it’s not the concept that won them over.
I also know somebody who didn’t buy a Wii U and was surprised that I liked the Wii U and not the Switch. I knew he had no interest in handheld gaming so I asked him why he liked the Switch and he said it’s because Nintendo made a system where you can use a regular controller to play games. I pointed out that you actually need to buy that controller for an additional $70 and I mentioned all the features it lacks compared to the Wii U and he completely lost interest in the Switch immediately. In his case, he was interested in the extremely standard console experience that the Switch offers but it wasn’t worth $430 for the system, his controller of choice, and a game.
Third story. A friend of mine bought a Switch twice because he wanted to play Breath of the Wild. The first time he got one, he regretted his decision immediately because he has no interest in the Switch outside of Breath of the Wild so he brought it back. Then he played BotW at my house on my Wii U and regretted not playing the game before he brought the Switch back and started looking for another Switch or a Wii U. His brother saw the Wii U available through a rewards program so he got it. He was super hyped to play it, too, because he realized all the other great Wii U, Wii, and VC games he could play now. He said it was the most excited he’s been to a get a console in years. Still, he didn’t know how long it would take to get their so he got another Switch to play BotW. When he returned home with the Switch, the Wii U was at his door. This time though, he decided to at least open the Switch to check it out. He brought it over, we both tried it and thought it looked nice but we hated it. We played BotW with the JoyCons and were stumbling around the controls and I had played the game with 3 controllers by that point and never had that happen to me. We tried out the JoyCon grip and we hated it. The button layout wasn’t ergonomic at all. I wanted to try out the JoyCons as individual controllers so we tried to download the demo of Snipper Clips which I’ve wanted to play. The Switch had an extremely weak Wi-Fi connection so it took forever to even connect to the eShop. We finally got to play it and we hated the JoyCons as individual controllers. We even switch controllers to see if one was better than the other and we didn’t find that to be the case. We packed it up and returned it right afterwards. So, he straight up didn’t like the Switch bought it twice because of BotW.
I knew somebody else who bought one and though it was alright but brought it back. No interesting story.
I know two brothers who are life-long Nintendo fans who almost opted to get a PS4 Pro instead of the Switch but got the Switch anyway. The bought Breath of the Wild and a Pro Controller. They docked it once they got it and never pulled it out. They beat Breath of the Wild and haven’t played it since. One of the brothers told me he was gonna get Dragon Quest Heroes… on the PS4. He also said he was getting Dragon Quest XI… on the 3DS and PS4. For what it’s worth, they also bought every iteration of the 3DS and DS so it’s not like they aren’t into handheld gaming.
3 stories compared to millions of others. You’re doing the same thing I am but opposite.
Everything has people that hate it and people that love it. The Wii sold 100 million despite the haters. I’m sure there are people who hated the DS as well. Point being, the Switch still seems to have a lot of love going it’s way.
No I’m not doing the same thing you’re doing. I pointed out that those are just the stories of 5 people (not 3). I in no way suggested that they are representative of the masses. They are just examples of how some people have been driven to buy the Switch because of Breath of the Wild even if they don’t like the Switch. They are examples of why you can’t assume that sales of the Switch are because people are in love with the concept. They are also examples of people who have no interest in buying multi-platform games on it which is a not a good thing at all. And it’s unlikely that they are the sole people who feel this way. Between my comment and your comment I also saw a Kotaku article about the Switch system update, scrolled to the comments, and immediately saw someone saying they want to Switch specifically because they got the Zelda itch.
You’re assuming that the majority of people are into the Switch or at least more people would be interested in buying the Switch than the Wii U and 3DS combined yet, at the moment, the Switch objectively has few units in homes than the Wii U, 3DS, XBO, and PS4. It’s too soon to assume success. You’re also assuming the reason they got the system is because of the concept when we’re not yet at the point where we can even evaluate if the Switch has much appeal outside of core Nintendo fans. You’re way too assured of it’s success and you’re oversimplifying the market and how it works. The Switch is still a risk.
Sure, people hated the Wii and the DS. These people mainly consistent of “core gamers” that were more interested in the 360 and PS3 and were more likely to buy a lot of games for their systems. In fact, we know that to be the case since PS3 had more software sales than the Wii or DS despite selling 20-70 million fewer consoles and 360 sold more than all three of them (individually, not combined) despite selling fewer units than all of them. We also know that the Wii and DS had a huge appeal to “casual gamers” and “non-gamers” (with things like Wii Sports, Wii Fit, Nintendogs, Brain Age, etc) and poll in the past month determined that most of that demographic doesn’t even know about the Switch.
It’s not a simple as handheld + console for $300 = print cash. You need to look at past successful consoles, see what made them successful, and ask how the Switch can do that, if it can at all. For example, most previous successful systems have had a way to improve themselves and increase their sales and longevity. That could be a redesign like the PSOne, the PS2-4 Slim, the Xbox 360 Slim, the XBO S, DS Lite, etc. Or it can be new accessories like the Kinect, Balance Board, Circle Pad Pro, PSVR, etc. Or it can be like the New 3DS, PS4 Pro, and XBO X. Is the Switch malleable enough to do these things in price or form factor? Could you introduce something like Kinect or a VR headset to the Switch and not completely kill the “hybrid” aspect of the system?
We’ll see. In my mind there’s no way they let it fail with their full development power behind it.
Oh don’t get me wrong. I totally expect them to release excellent games for the Switch. I just don’t think that’ll be enough to make it as successful as people think.
Pokémon alone guarantees massive sales. My prediction is that it’ll outsell the NES which did 60 million. If they really outdo themselves it could potentially overtake the Wii. DS will be virtually impossible.
Again, the most copies that any Pokémon game sold was 31 million copies with Red, Green, and Blue. That means the most systems that Pokémon alone could have possibly sold was 31 million units and that was THREE GAMES. Realistically, a lot of the people buying the game would already own the system anyway.
Now the newest Pokémon games sold half that. What you’re assuming is that Pokémon for the Switch will be the most successful Pokémon game of all time. And if you’re claiming that it alone can make the Switch sell 100 million units then you’re asking it to sell over 3 times the series highest sales with only one game and 6 times better than the most recent games. Another way to look at it is that you’re asking it to sell almost as many copies as the entirety of the Mario Kart series.
You’re oversimplifying how things work and you’re expectations are way overblown.
I didn’t give a specific number for Pokémon. My numbers are taking all potential games into account. Pokémon alone would probably be about 20., give or take which is more than the Wii U sold just for one game. Remember, this game also will represent the dream of many fans to have a main Pokémon made for a home console. It’ll sell.
20 million is more realistic for Pokemon. But as for Nintendo’s other big franchises, most were on the Wii U as well.
Btw, found some more numbers for you
DS | 18.79 million | $150
DS Lite | 93.86 million | $130
DSi | 28.44 million | $150
DSi XL | 12.93 million | $200
Nintendo didn’t bring their A game on the Wii Unlike they seem to be doing for Switch. Odyssey is better looking than 3D World for example.
You’ll see price cuts for the current Switch by the time Pokémon comes out and likely a new cheaper model as well. You act like it’ll be $300 forever. Right now it’s selling at that that price so they don’t have a need to lower it.
Again, the Wii U only saw a $50 drop it’s whole life span while consoles that launched after it have seen $150-300 drops.
Also how can you say they didn’t bring their A game with their Wii U games? Breath of the Wild was a Wii U game way before it was a Switch game and the Wii U version had to have features removed so it wouldn’t look like the definitive version of the game. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe is the same Mario Kart 8 for Wii U but with a DLC level of improvements. Splatoon STARTED on the Wii U. Yoshi for Switch takes cues from Woolly World. And one of the big disappointments that people had this E3 was that Smash Bros for Wii U wasn’t being ported to the Switch.
Nintendo always brings their A game. You’re just trying to excuse why the presence of these same franchises didn’t make the Wii U a success.
Where was Animal Crossing, another big franchise they have? Just Amiibo Festival. Yoshi and Kirby look same as always. 3D World an extension of 3D Land rather than a continuation of the ambition of Galaxy. Zelda was too little too late and they were smart to push it for the Switch. Mario Kart and Splatoon is all I’ll give you.
Also, the lack of Wii U price drops was due to how expensive it was to produce and they would’ve taken even more loss by cutting it. Straight from the horses mouth we know that Switch won’t be in the same situation. It’s profiting on every unit sold from day 1 and was made with price cuts in mind.
The lack of Animal Crossing on the Wii U doesn’t mean they phoned in their other games. And while you’re throwing 3D World under the bus because you think it lacks ambition, the reason they made 3D World and 3D Land was as response to the market. New Super Mario Bros. Wii sold 3x more copies than Mario Galaxy so they were attempting to merge the appeal of both which IS ambitious.
The Wii U was NOT that expensive to produce. Just looking at the parts inside the system and size of the custom chips makes it obvious that it didn’t cost $350 to make at launch. Even if they WERE selling at a loss at the beginning, the last estimated bill of materials from IHS put the cost of parts and manufacturing of the Wii U at $180 including the gamepad with the cost going down at least $4 within the next year after its release since NFC chips were shooting down in price. eMMC flash chips also made huge decreases in price since the Wii U’s launch. Manufacturing chips on 45nm process also would have become cheaper over time since 28nm was already a thing at launch.
The formula worked for 3D Land because it was on a weak dedicated handheld where expectations weren’t as high. The Wii U however should’ve had a game like Odyssey to follow Galaxy. 3D World was still fun but there was definitely something missing compared to Galaxy. Imo they should just have both types of Mario games, 2D and 3D, with the same level of polish applied to both. NSMB has really become bland and the major step down in sales for the Wii U and 3DS versions show it. 3D Mario consistently sells 10+ million, including 64 DS, with the exceptions of Sunshine and 3D World.
I’d love to read your counter-argument to those that try to use the Gamecube as a reason why Nintendo shouldn’t go after power again. From what I recall, the PS2, Wii, & Dreamcast did not set the rule that power doesn’t dominate when they have mostly been the exceptions as every other console gen was in fact won because of power. I’ve always been under the impression PS2 beat Gamecube because it was an affordable multi-media device & you didn’t need to buy 2 or more products to play video games, watch movies, AND listen to music which costed more than PS2 at the time from what I recall, Wii won because of it being pretty much a fad, & Dreamcast, being the most powerful it’s gen, only lost because Sega pushed out one too many consoles in a short amount of time & no one trusted them not to do the same again a year or two after with yet another console. So 2 out of 8(?) gens were decided by something other than power from my memory.
If I’m actually wrong, it’d be nice to know. Of course, I know the more stubborn Nintendo people will say you’re wrong but I’d sooner trust someone that knows the tech over someone that is clearly just thinking with their heart while ignoring whatever sound logic is uttered because it doesn’t fit their agenda concerning Nintendo & why power is “bad.” (Oh dear. If I post this comment, I could start an entirely separate debate or even an argument. Screw it. My curiosity demands I post this. lol)
I’m finding it impossible to stay brief about this so I’m gonna give a quick answer to your question about the Gamecube then I’m gonna go into the history of how the sales of consoles have correlated to their power.
Okay, so to the people who always bring up the Gamecube as reason Nintendo shouldn’t go after power again, I would first bring up that even though 8 million more Xbox Ones have been sold than Gamecubes, the Gamecube still had 16 million more games purchased for it. Then I would ask them a question. If the Gamecube is proof that Nintendo shouldn’t try for higher specs and the Wii is proof that you can have lowest specs and be the most successful provided you have the right selling point, then explain the Wii U. The Wii U literally inherited the motion controls and games of the Wii, added the gamepad, and more or less matched the power of the 360. It essentially had everything their most successful console had and more and it became Nintendo’s worst selling console. What was it missing? What does the PS4 have that the Wii U doesn’t? That’s right. Power.
Now onto the long-winded part. I think part of the reason people bring up that the weakest console can win is because it happened two console generations in a row. But really, the effective or perceived power of a system was always a huge factor in sales and the Wii is the only exception to that.
Let’s go back to the early consoles when console gaming’s selling point was all about trying to bring the arcade gaming experience home.
People like to compare the Famicom with the Sega Master System which would have been the earliest example of less powerful hardware selling better, but the Famicom was actually launched against Sega’s precursor to the Master System, the SG-1000. The Sega SG-1000 used the same parts as the Colecovision and even though a hardware recall of the Famicom allowed the SG-1000 to initially outsell the Famicom, the Famicom eventually took the lead because it’s better specs allowed for games with at least more colors on-screen, twice as many sprites, and much smoother scrolling. The Famicom also launched with a port of Donkey Kong that looked just like the arcade version while the SG-1000 launched with a far less popular Donkey Kong ripoff called Kongo Bongo that looked far worse than it’s arcade counterpart. So Nintendo was literally allowed you to bring an arcade experience home.
When the NES released in NA, people were impressed that they saw a character with clear features (Mario) walking and jumping around the screen instead of the weird shapes they would control on the Atari, Intellivision, or Colecovision. This was a big part of what brought back the western audience’s interest in video games after the video game crash of 83.
When the Sega Master System came out in NA the year afterwards, it DID have noticeably better graphics than the NES but Nintendo’s licensing agreements forbid third-parties from porting their games to other systems for 2 years which killed the library of the SMS. Still, Sega made their own games for the system and the SMS sold better than the NES in Europe. Eventually Nintendo changed those contracts to allow developers to release more than 5 games per year and port games to other system immediately.
When Genesis launched in the US 2 years before the SNES, Sega touted it technical superiority, and since it actually had games, it gained some market share in the US market.
When the SNES eventually came out, it could display more colors, do transparencies, had hardware parallax scrolling, had better audio, and could do psuedo-3D effects like Mode 7. The Genesis still had a faster CPU but the benefits of a fast CPU weren’t as noticeable as better graphics. The SNES wound up selling 66% more systems than the Genesis worldwide. The Genesis did manage to stay really competitive in the US market, but the audio and visuals of Donkey Kong Country put the SNES in the lead.
The N64 was more powerful than the PS1 but that wasn’t always apparent to people for a few reasons. The N64 had a flaw in its memory controller and it used default microcode it used targeted accuracy more than performance which made it difficult to code for. The PS1 was very straight forward to developer for so PS1 games would sometimes have higher resolution textures and higher polygon counts than N64 games. Since it also used CD’s and had an Mpeg-1 decoder, it could play FMVs which were extremely impressive to people at the time. And even though the N64 had smoother texture filtering, devs couldn’t opt to use point sampling so some textures would look blurrier than on PS1. And of course, the games were much cheaper so that gen came down to affordability and effective power due to ease of development. Nintendo later commented on this when announcing the Gamecube saying that they realized that a systems top speed isn’t as important as it’s cruising speed.
You pretty much have the Dreamcast vs PS2 vs GCN vs Xbox generation down. The only correction I have is that the Dreamcast wasn’t the most capable system. It had some cool tech but it was limited in polygon-count and bandwidth and was the only console that gen that didn’t have dual analog so wouldn’t have been able to keep up with the other systems and it would have had almost no third-party support. The other thing I would point out is that there were a lot of people who perceived the PS2 as more powerful than the Gamecube just because the PS2 supported DVDs. It sounds stupid but it was a sentiment you would hear often. Even though the Gamecube was the only console to survive to the end of the generation to not have DVD playback, it still only sold slightly worse than the Xbox.
Wii vs PS3 vs X360 was interesting because the Wii clearly sold more hardware than the others mainly due to the uniqueness of its motion controls but it sold the least games. The X360 actually sold the most games that generation and while the PS3 was shown to have the best looking first-party games, the X360s easier development meant that most third-party games looked the same as on the PS3 and often little better. So this was the first case where the hardware sales and software sales for the systems were not only mismatched but completely reversed and that’s true even if you include the DS. Before then, every previous top selling console sold more hardware AND software than the others.
And I don’t need to tell anybody about now 😊
Btw I’m typing this at like 5 in the morning so if it doesn’t make sense then I can try again after I sleep lol
Made sense to me. lol
*pricecut
Damn autocorrect.
Someone like you smartass?
Hope that was directed at the other guy.
No. It was at you.
Then you need to reread the original comment.
Already did.
So you understand then.
No
Figured.
No shit.
Next time: google has a dictionary.
No.
Stay ignorant then.
Stay a dumbass then.
If only you knew what irony meant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YqXKrAyfEE&t=0m17s
(Yeah. I doubt he’ll get anything you’re saying. Or he’s just pretending to be an idiot at some weird attempt to troll.)
Not sure about the pretending part.
Yes I do.
You clearly don’t.
Yes I do. I know it.
You clearly don’t.
I’m pretty sure no one will call the 3DS “old and outdated” before 2020. What Nintendo is doing here with releasing enhanced versions of the same device (ie 2DSXL) is not just a cheap trick to milk the 3DS line. I see it as a statement telling fans and consumers that “we are here to stay” and the big N is promising is to support it.
Granted the Switch is meant to bridge the gap between Nintendo Handheld and Nintendo Console, but that doesn’t mean that the two cannot coexist during the time leading to 2019 – 2020 At least:
Everyone and their mom have a 3DS so it is natural to keep developing more content for a moving product. Selling the device is one less thing to worry about at this stage . In other words devs need only to focus on creating new software.
With the Pokemon core series moving to Switch in two years announcement , we can safely assume that the Switch is indeed the true successor to the 3DS but this transition will not happen in a day.
Everyone and their mom had a Wii as well. Does that mean Nintendo shouldn’t have stopped supporting it? Everything needs to come to an end at some point, to make room for better options and successors.
And saying the 3DS isn’t outdated is a bit funny, in my opinion. I think it is extremely outdated, actually. Have you seen the performance issues in Pokemon Sun/Moon, for example?
The transition could have happened in a day, if Nintendo really wanted to. But it sure as hell shouldn’t take years.
The Wii lost steam which made nintendo move on to the next big thing, whereas the 3DS is still performing so well and in fact seen the highest growth rate of all videogame consoles in 2017 according to Reggie.
I did not fave any issue with Sun and Moon on my New 3DS and that is coming from someone who had poured 300+ hours . What you are referring to is the frame drops and the downscaling of battle backgrounds if you play the game on the first edition of 3DS. Since then Nintendo released many upgraded versions which actually do the job at keeping the 3DS “Current”.
If they dropped the 3DS line they’d be shooting themselves in the head. The 3DS is outdated but the Switch isn’t a proper replacement in form factor but especially price range. The price of entry for the 3DS line is anywhere from $80 for 2DS to $200 for the New 3DS XL.
What they should have done to prevent this whole mess was to make a proper successor to the 3DS (with backwards compatibility) with it’s new feature being that it can connect to a TV via an optional dock. Then they could have made a proper, more capable home console with compatibility between both of them. They would have devices ranging from $180/$200 to $300 and they could have taken the 3DS out of stores immediately since their would still be a device available for people to play 3DS games on.
Just try to remember the last time Nintendo introduced a handheld that didn’t have backward compatibility with the system it was replacing.
@myownfriend:
You raise reasonable points I can understand and agree with. But yea, sadly, that doesn’t change that the 3DS seems to be competing with the Switch right now. Both are handhelds in one way or another, so their markets overlap in some respect.
If they wanted to completely avoid this, they shouldn’t have made a handheld hybrid. Or, as you said, “turned” the 3ds into the Switch with a smoother transition, by having a 3DS successor that can be plugged into the TV first before the actual Switch, and then offer different models at different price points. I really like that idea, it’s reasonable, and would have solved some of the problems we’re seeing now, and would see if Nintendo straight out replaced the 3DS with the Switch.
But yea, I’m not sure what Nintendo is planning to do for the future, but all I know is that I think the current 3DS needs to be phased out very soon, it’s just getting too old. WIth the way they have handled things, it seems to me that all they can do is either make a new successor for the 3DS, or shift everything they have onto the Switch, both of which causing different problems. Your suggestion seems much more reasonable to me than both of those options, but I’m afraid it’s a bit too late for that to be done, it would take too long to complete the whole process.
Personally, I would have wished for a more traditional home console and another new handheld, instead of getting something like the Switch, which basically is a half-assed handheld and a half-assed home console in one. I mean, I still like it, but I believe we could have gotten a much better and much more capable home console if it was just that. But yea, that’s just me, hah. And the concept seems to be working just fine for them, so ya, what can I say, haha.
I’m hoping their plan for the future is using the docks as an upgrade without making an entirely new system like what Sony did with PS4 Pro & what Microsoft did with Xbox One S & Xbox One X. Instead of buying a brand new console for 300-400 bucks, you can buy a dock for around 150-200 bucks & just plant your Switch inside them to up it’s power considerably to be more on par with the competition. Sure the Switch itself would have to be replaced at some point to keep up with the docks as they drift further & further away from the Switch’s base power as a handheld, but it could effectively last for 10 straight years with a new power booster & data storage booster dock every 2-3 years. Once the 10 year mark hits, replace the old Switch with a new & better one with the latest new dock for 300-400 bucks then repeat the cycle for the next 10 years.
Sure this idea has it’s issues but that’s what R&D is for: to work out issues with the next thing. This idea could also keep the handheld alive & well, too. I have this idea because I remember a patent Nintendo made a few years back about a supplemental device being used to power another device beyond it’s base power. That could be the dock we now see with the Switch. If I’m right, the current dock should be replaced with a stronger one, that also has better data storage, too, in the next few years.
I agree. Nintendo needs to move on from the 3ds already. I mean people can still buy the system and have an amazing backlog. But Nintendo needs to stop developing for the system. All they are doing is taking sales from the Switch with every game they develop for the 3ds.
Nintendo u had amazing ride with 3ds but it’s time to slowly kill it off.
Yes, kill off the system with the biggest user base they have. Truly you should work for them.
They killed the Wii and it had a 100 million user base, and the DS was dropped, and it had 150 million.
The 3DS cannot and will not go on indefinitely. It NEEDS to be PHASED out. Nobody is suggesting to drop it like a bad habit, but it’s already 6 years old. They can’t do anything new with it, and to replace it with another handheld is stupid. The 3DS will be phased out for good by 2019, and the Switch will be the catch all system.
You can cry about how it’s bad business or some nonsense, but you clearly have no real understanding of business if install base is your only argument. If Nintendo wants to maximize profits, having one single device available for all their games is easily the best thing they could do. Their one console would be saturated with games, instead of droughts of games that were a big factor in Wii U’s demise, and also what nearly killed the 3DS before it began.
There would be no point in releasing another handheld for $200 or $250 that’s weaker than the Switch. the costs for R&D, manufacturing, and keeping the teams split up would be detrimental instead of beneficial to Nintendo. Besides, in reality, Pokemon main line games coming to the Switch defintely means they plan to phase out the 3DS in the future. They saw an increase in 3DS sales last year, which is why they are keeping it around for a little longer and made the “new” 2DS. Once those sales fall back off, they will phase it out and let it die gracefully, just like every handheld before it, with nothing to replace it but the already established Switch, which will have a price drop by then.
That’s fine with me. The 3DS is still my preferred system on the go.
The Switch is nice, but I like it more as a home console. It’s too big and clunky to play outside with. The 3DS however easily fits in my pocket and can take it anywhere.
A wise move, especially since there’s ZERO way to back up your save data, so keep it in one spot at all times.
“We know colors are a key differentiator, consumers love the variety of different colors.”
Yet why is North America the only region without the Orange@White option?!
This is the best decision as I love my 3ds I have over 30 games and still planning on buying more.
Supporting it with what exactly Nintendo? You’ve already announced almost every series you have coming to Switch for 2018 and surely further than that. Only thing I can think of are tossaway spinoffs with Ultra Sun/Moon being the last big games for 3DS.
Well a new ip could be in the works, also sequels to popular 3ds games (such as Luigi’s Mansion, Kid Icarus, or Animal Crossing) or remakes of popular games just like they recently did with fire emblem, metroid 2, and superstar saga (i would personally love to see a super Mario sunshine 3d, or a Metroid Fusion ) or revive old franchises (f-zero, ice climers, or punch-out).
Only thing feasible that you said are remakes. Big new games are obviously already moving to Switch.
well i bet nintendo has bigger plans for the 3ds than remakes. I hope they make another zelda game on 3ds because i dont think we will get one on the switch for a while
I honestly think that Nintendo was really serious about this. Seeing this ends in 2018 will still be the final ride for the 3DS. If they keep up the pace for the Switch systems, we should be good.
I really can’t imagine what else could be coming to it except some third party games.
Well, it depends what kind of title they will announce.
Mine is starting to break down, so I want them to kill its supply as soon as possible. I was hoping that Ultra Moon and Metroid would be the last games I’d get for the system. Then again, I’ll probably get a New 3DS just so I can continue playing all my 3DS games after my current one kicks the bucket…starting to think that this has been Nintendo’s plan for some time.
At this point, I bet they’re only doing this because they know that hackers will own the system if they drop the 3DS. Yet they stop repairs for the original 3DS.
The Switch is either officially an 8th gen console for the 3DS will last for TWO generations.
I’m actually surprised, when Pokemon switches to new hardware that’s usually a sign that the old one is on its last legs. 6 years and still going strong.
“We say that it’s a home console that you take with you and play with anyone, anywhere, anytime. It really is meant to deliver that great home console performance, you just happen to be able to undock it and take it with you, which is a key innovation,”
A mobile device with an HDMI output isn’t an innovation. Not being able to run Overwatch isn’t great home console performance. Stop false advertising this thing, I don’t want it to get recalled.
Im sure they have some ideas for that.
I like that people were calling Nintendo liars for saying they would continue to support the 3ds…and when they DO support it, they call them edits for not abandoning a 60+ mill fanbase….logic.
fine by me. the 3ds is still hot, whether people want to admit it or not.
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Yeah! Cannibalize your own market!
You don’t seem to know what that means.
As long as they don’t pull the bullshit of giving Switch exclusives to the 3DS (they cease to be exclusives then) like they did with big Wii U games like Smash, this plan to support the handhelds to 2018 & beyond shouldn’t be too much of an issue. (Doing stuff like what KT is doing with Fire Emblem Warriors is a bad idea, too. The 3DS version could very well hold the Switch version back like how Smash 4 3DS held back Smash 4 Wii U. I think this might be one of the driving reasons as to why the Wii U eventually failed because that scenario gave 3DS owners the impression that they didn’t need the Wii U because other games on it could end up on 3DS so they didn’t buy a Wii U.)
Ahm…yeah. Pokemon, Layton and many more series are on their way for Switch. Monster Hunter is taking a new direction in the future. I honestly don’t care for my new 3Ds anymore, since I got a Switch and my point of view is direct competition between the two devices. Honestly the 3Ds is the hardest competitor of the Switch.
But of cause Switch games are on cartridges now and maybe they can build a DS device in 2019, that actually can run all Switch games and if that is actually the case…it is wise to still support the DS fraction of gamers. This strategy is the biggest disadvantage of the Switch. The 3Ds killed the Wii U in the end.
I don’t see myself buying any new 3DS games, Metroid maybe,
This is what I’ve been saying!
I feel like the author wrote the title of this article just for me. :D
I hope they will not support the Nintendo Switch in 2023 because by then I would like to play on an nVidia Tegra x5. Or anyway something much more powerful than what it is now.
I like a replacement for it in 5 years (all the same, just the graphics beefed up ^^).
This is good news, the 3dS has been my fav system this gen, followed by the WiiU and PS4. and I have soooo many games backlogged to play on it — Im finishing project xzone, just got cavestory 3d, still playing animal crossing, finishing FE awakening, (then the rest of the series!) just beat triforce heroes and majora’s mask, going to get that new river city knights, and metroid, still playing MHGEN, and then Im going to Bravely default…. the list goes on and on haha
But if Nintendo just releases a “main” title like Metroid 4 on the Switch, and then a supporting game on the 3DS (like metroid returns) that would be awesome! They could follow this template to a T
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