A lot of you may be familiar with Angry Joe who is a popular figure on YouTube. Well he has decided to quit producing Nintendo videos on YouTube due to the company’s strict policies regarding monetization. Angry Joe has nearly 2 million subscribers and more than 300 million views on his channel, but was outraged when Nintendo claimed that he would be unable to collect cash from his recently produced Mario Party 10 video as it contained copyright material from Nintendo. Instead of challenging the claim Angry Joe has taken the video down and produced a new video ranting against Nintendo’s draconian YouTube policies.
Good, now they have time to actually get a real job…
never understood this idea. So you’re saying you like your job? Like if someone asked you “hey do you want a job playing video games all day” you’d say “nah I love my job as a database administrator”? The reason you say that is because it is a real job, hence why you can’t just start making money from playing games like these guys do, and you’re really fucking jealous that people are doing what they want and you’re not.
Oh, don’t go for the b8, m8.
Uhm, no. Playing videogames as a job, and then bitching if the actual developers claim profit is not fair man…
that would be completely understandable IF VIDEO GAMES WERE MOVIES THAT HAD NO FUCKING INTERACTION. But games do require interaction. Mario Party 10 isn’t just the same thing every time you play it, like a video, it’s different.
Ummm… nope
How would you feel if you made a videogame and someone started making maney of it? Sure, they’re just playing the game and showing the footage, but they’re still earning money from something they didn’t make nor own. That also qualifies as copyright infringement.
So? As long as they actually bought the game, I personally wouldn’t mind if they used it to make money with it through commentary. They’re not earning money by simply playing it, they’re actually putting their “personality” in it, plus their time and effort.
That’s just my personal thought on the matter, of course.
Personal… yes.
It’s still copyright infringement, though. Nintendo and any company is in their right to do what they’re doing.
Yes, I wanted to explicitly mention that it’s my personal opinion, because I am very well aware that there might be people thinking differently about it. :)
And while you’re correct about the copyright matter, and about Nintendo having the right to do what they’re doing, that doesn’t mean they have to do what they’re doing, Every other company has the same rights, but you don’t see them being so strict about the whole situation as Nintendo, all in favour of their fans, and the free advertisement they’re getting, of course, lmao.
The developers have so many rights to do so many things, but just because they can, doesn’t mean they should.
The reason why Nintendo is getting so much shit for what they’re doing is because they’re the only ones being so sensitive about it.
This is something I dont quite understand. While you are correct that many companies tolerate lets plays and some even embrace the culture, there are still many companies that send out cease and desist letters for copyright infringement full stop. Nintendo used to be one of those companies.
I think that the Nintendo Creators Project is quite progressive. They have turned around and endorsed all non commercial derivative works including lets plays. They have even said they will legally allow anyone a license to earn money off their IP if they register their works through the NCP and share revenue (the content creator still gets 60-70% of the revenue from the ads on their video.). That is still some considerable dosh made off of what is Nintendos IP.
The free advertising comment also makes no sense to me. Firstly, it isnt free advertising, they are making money from advertising these videos, no one appointed these youtubers an official position. Secondly, you will be hard pressed to find anyone who isnt aware of the latest Zelda, Mario and Metroid games and that they are good quality games. Second and third party games (there are a lot of these) are not on the NCP whitelist and are still available for LPs outside the NCP. Lastly, sure, for some games lets plays have caused more people to go out and buy the game, but there is also a significant amount of people who will watch the LP and not go out and buy the game because why would they play something they now know the outcome of.
At the end of the day, I thought doing lets play videos were really made for the fun of it and for the love of the game. When it comes down to it this is a matter about the money. While its true, you can make more money from doing games outside the NCP, I would have thought you would make the video for the love of the game, Nintendo taking 30% of ad revenue should not be a make or break factor.
While you are right about Nintendo having made some progress about their policies concerning Let’s Plays, or videos about their games in general, there’s still some restrictions they, in my opinion, should work on. And just because the way they’re handling things right now is less bad than before, doesn’t mean it’s good. For example, there is, as you’ve mentioned, a white-list of games people are allowed to upload videos of. But many other Nintendo games (mainly older ones) that are not on that list are not allowed to be shown on the channel, regardless of said channel being a member of the NCP. Why is that?
And as far as new releases go, they can show footage only for a certain amount of time, as far as I know. I know of a YT channel that openly said they were allowed to show “only” 30 minutes of footage of Mario Party 10 (they’re free to divide those 30 minutes into as many videos/episodes as they wish, of course). Considering the fact that it already takes a couple of minutes until all four players finish their turn in MP games, it’s quite a little amount of time for a game like that, imo.
But yea, I don’t know, it just seems really strange to me. If someone’s legally buying your product and shares their revenue with you, they should be allowed to show any of your games and show as much of said games as they wish to (or, at least give them a reasonable amount of time, if you really want to set a limit).
And about the advertising, by “free” I meant that Nintendo doesn’t have to invest in expensive ads or anything to draw people’s attention to their games. Youtube videos can reach an audience of hundreds of thousands of people, or even millions. Seeing someone having fun with the game + footage of gameplay is basically the fundament of an ad, and that’s exactly what YT videos do. Of course those videos usually are a bit longer than your generic TV ad, but it’s still basically the same. So what I’m saying is, Youtubers are doing a great job at bringing games closer to a huge number of potential consumers, and Nintendo doesn’t even have to spend a single cent on doing that themselves.
Also, there’s more to advertising than just making people aware of the existance of the game. Advertisement is about making a product attractive to people, making them feel like they need to own it and giving them reasons why they should spend their money on it. While you’re correct about people most likely knowing about the latest Zelda, Mario etc., they also need to know about the reasons why they need to own it. Youtube videos, as already mentioned, do a great job at doing just that. Sure, it might very well turn out the exact opposite way and make people decide against buying a game, as you’ve said. But can’t reviews, for example, do the same? Even if a review doesn’t necessarily show footage of the game, it’s basically describing it and thoroughly explaining details. Even worse, reviews openly point out negative aspects of a game, which doesn’t implicitly happen in Let’s Plays. Also, I personally believe that many of the people who say “I watched someone else play the game already, so I’m not going to buy it” weren’t intending to buy the game anyway in the first place. If you’re truly sure about wanting to buy a game, you wouldn’t even think about watching someone else play it through first. That just doesn’t make sense to me.
And lastly, you’re absolutely right about Let’s Plays actually being about the fun and love for the game, but you have to keep in mind that many people put a lot of effort and time into creating their videos, and I believe it’s totally okay to want their efforts to be rewarded in the end. Some people have decided to turn the activity they love into their job, and that as well is nothing that should be looked down upon, in my personal opinion. I wish I was lucky enough to turn my hobby into my job and do what I love to earn my livelihood. Same goes for many other groups of people, like, I don’t know, comedians for example. Their main “goal” is to entertain people and make them laugh, but does that mean it’s wrong for them to expect to get paid for their shows? Or is it wrong for people who are into music to want to get paid for their work, just because it’s actually their passion and they “shouldn’t do it for the money”? (Just to make things clear: these are just examples of why I think it’s silly to say Let’s Plays should be done for the fun of it instead of the money; I am very well aware that creating your own music does not infringe any copyrights etc., I already went through that particular issue in my previous comment)
I think that covers it all, lmao. Sorry for the super-lengthy comment. :)
If there is someone moving money in one of the sides, it’s no longer free advertisement. People loves to use this flawed argument to defend something that I cannot respect at all.
I have to be pretty honest here, I was NEVER a fan of the idea of people using YouTube to make money even with normal videos.
I have elaborated that point in my comment above. But in case you don’t want to go through the wall of text:
Nintendo indeed is getting free advertisement from Youtube videos. Popular YT channels have an audience of several hundreds of thousands of people, and the games they play get the attention of that huge audience, which basically consists of potential consumers. Nintendo would have to invest a whole lot of money to reach the same number of people equally well as Youtube videos do. And while you are correct about the channels getting paid for their videos, it is notNintendo who is paying them. Means, Nintendo actually is getting free advertisement, because they are in fact not paying anything at all for all the attention that’s getting drawn to their games through videos.
“Nintendo indeed is getting free advertisement from Youtube videos.”
Hell no! It’s not!
There is somebody that not the copyright owner making money of a copyrighted IP without paying the right to do so. There is nothing about “free” on this.
What is the definition of “free”? Free means, you are getting something you otherwise would need to *pay* money for without actually needing to do so. In this case, Nintendo is getting advertisement without having to pay money for it, when normally they need to invest money into marketing and advertising their products. Therefore, it is free.
Whether or not copyright infringement is related to the situation does not matter when determining if it’s free advertisement. It is free advertisement when Nintendo is not paying anyone for it, and Nintendo indeed is not paying anyone for it, which leaves us to the conclusion that YT videos featuring Nintendo’s products are free advertisement.
It’s not copyright infringement, it is covered under the fair use doctrine. That is why you can show clips of movies in reviews etc:
“Elena Iosef, a Toronto lawyer who specializes in intellectual property, says Let’s Plays likely won’t infringe on copyright, in part because, unlike watching a copy of a film or television show, watching someone play a game is not a substitute for actually playing the game yourself.
“Someone watching a Let’s Play is not going to go, ‘Well I’ve watched it. I’m not going to buy the game now,'” she says. “If anything, it’s going to make them more excited to buy the game, unless the game is completely awful.”
Whether that argument holds up in court, however, is yet to be determined. No legal decisions involving video games and fair use have been made either in Canada or the U.S.”
http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/youtube-gaming-stars-blindsided-by-nintendo-s-ad-revenue-grab-1.3010550
Except they’re still earning money with someone else’s work.
Tell me if that doesn’t sound unfair or illegal.
News publications (in this case, those based on video games) are earning money thanks to other people’s work as well, may it be previews, reviews or just articles in general about a game. Is that unfair too? I personally don’t think so.
That’s different.
News Publications earn money from information, LPers earn money from the products directly.
It actually falls under free use. Nice job showing how little you know though.
free use only applies if youre not making money off it
Incorrect. For example the Daily Show can show clips from CNN and still make money from it. Because it is covered under Fair Use.
Funny how you say “nice job showing how little you know though” when free use is only applied if you are not monetizing off the content.
It’s not a matter if it’s under some “legal basis”. It’s a matter of whether it’s a dick move to that person and/or group
I’ll just say something that most retards aren’t really grasping, ok? Ready? This is the moment of truth. The turning point. The revelation. The truth….So, you’re still reading?
Here we go:
Nintendo didn’t have to do this.
Holy shit. Did I just blow your fucking mind with this shit?
They didn’t have to do this and that is the sole point Joe was making and that pretty much everyone else makes. Do they have the rights? Yeah in most cases, even though they flag reviews, fan videos, previews, analysis and pretty much everything else that is under fair use, but registered by the ID Content matching bot. But I’ll actually even give that to them for the sake of the argument. Let’s say that they even have the rights to profit off of reviews other people do (even though they don’t). They still don’t have to do this because it’s completely and utterly anti consumer, but oh wait, I forgot, it’s Nintendo. When Nintendo does something it’s excusable. It always is. Constant droughts, lack of 3rd party, lack of features, lack of online multiplayer, this shit, Amiibos (A.K.A keys for unlocking content that is already in the game)…It’s all fine. Nintendo is the best, they cannot be wrong.
I love this site. So full of morons that will just defend anything ANYTHING Nintendo does. I love it. You have to be creative to find so many excuses.
Come on. Make me laugh.
Go find a girlfriend, kid.
How long did it take you to come up with that unbeatable argument? Also, how do you know that I don’t have a girlfriend. Please, evidence is what I need.
You spend time writting large pseudo-rhetorical text wall, this is evidence enough.
Now, get off your device, go out your dark room and go find a girlfriend! There is a world outside the internet, ya know.
Oh that is evidence? That’s like saying “You eat pizza, ergo you are fat”…hahaha. What a fucking idiot. I won’t even mention that it took me around 3,4 minutes to type that comment. Wow, so much time spent. The ending of your comment makes no sense. Are you the one to decide how other people should spend their lives? If I want to just sleep and that’s it. I can. My arguments will be as valid as they are now.
Never argue with me. I’m a fucking genius. Now go, be retarded somewhere else.
See? You just proved my evidence :v
And retarded is your mom <3
Oooh, I get it. You have no actual arguments, so you’ll try trolling me. Ok, we’re done here.
Indeed! you’re right. Certainly on Amiibo and monetizing free advertising.
What they did with Mario Party 10 and Amiibo’s is just plain hiding an element of the game that you can unlock with a € 15 doll with a NFC chip in it.
And youtubers also didn’t have to post Other peoples work too. And don’t mention advertising coz I’m sure they have people employed for that.
What are you talking about?
“They still don’t have to do this because it’s completely and utterly anti consumer” What’s anti consumer about making money off of your own products? Do you understand what it means to own something and profiting off of it? Do you live in a country and not pay it’s taxes? People who live off of someone else’s work are called freeloaders and are not contributing to anyone other than themselves. And “let’s play” videos does not go with advertising. It’s more close to an Exhibit and publicly revealing a product with all it’s good and bad side. Advertising prioritizes selling and pinpointing only the good aspects of the product.
Ok, so EA is doing the same with microtransactions and day one DLC. Just profiting off of their products. They cannot be criticized. Right?
The point of most Youtube videos isn’t to advertise, but it’s something that goes along with them when you make a good product and a personality on Youtube makes a positive video about it. I explained enough in my comment. It doesn’t just target LPs.
Do I have to draw it out for you. They don’t have to do this. They are just hurting people who make videos on their games and make some money off of it. That money is not necessary for Nintendo. It’s probably under 0.1% of what they make in general.
I don’t get how stupid you people are, but ok. It’s anti consumer. Microsoft had all of the rights to do what they originally intended with the X1, but it was so much bullshit that people called them out on it. How stupid are you people exactly?
If Nintendo said “Every time you play a game, you need to pay us 3$” You’d say “That makes sense” Other people would say “No, it’s anti consumer, no other company does bullshit like this” and response from morons like you would still be something like “Yeah, but they have the rights. The fact that no other company does it doesn’t mean Nintendo shouldn’t. They have the rights. What is wrong with making money off of their products.”
Go be retarded on someone elses comment.
Dude, this is free advertisement for them. Your argument is invalid. It’s not like a movie where the experience is always the same when playing it. It’s a video game where it requires player input in order for it to go on. Your treating it like recording gameplay is a form of pirating and illegally selling it online when it’s not.
If that guy were making money, it’s not free advertisement.
So it can’t be a win-win for both parties right?
The only way to be a win-win for both parts it’s not generating any money whatsoever. If you post a video without monetization, the content owner will have no reason to bother about it.
if someone made a “lets play” out of every disney land experience do you think disney would mind you think?
So recording an experience to the movie theater should also be free advertisement right? I mean, it’s not like people can experience eating pop-corn and the smell of other people through a video right? It’s a totally different experience.
Hey, Navi, I agree with you. I feel like, sure, it might be enjoyable to watch these guys play games, but complaining when they don’t get paid for it, I mean???? Like why???? You get to sit at home all day and play a game with your added commentary, and I guess that might seem like a job, but I mean, you already have it so nice that you’re making money from something SO EASY to do, that do you really have room to complain? Why doesn’t he just play another game and make money from that? It’s so easy, just put another game in the system and there you go! A new video, more profit! Easy as pie.
My opinion: Saying “Gaming” can’t be a real job is like saying stuff like playing Soccer, Football, Baseball, ect. can’t be real jobs as “sports” are done “for fun”.
“Professional gaming” exists. A common form of this is “Electronic Sports”, AKA “eSports”, AKA “Competitive Gaming”. Gamers who play Electronic Sports do stuff like compete in tournaments in the attempt to win. Something like how people do more traditional sports like Soccer, Baseball, ect. for profit instead of for fun.
YouTubers online who attempt to monetize their playthroughs of video games can be considered another type of professional gaming as while they aren’t competing in tournaments in an attempt to win money, they are still playing their games while trying to rely on an alternate stream of revenue in order to win. After all, “professional”, in this context, means “making a living out of doing something”.
“Saying “Gaming” can’t be a real job is like saying stuff like playing Soccer, Football, Baseball, ect. can’t be real jobs as “sports” are done “for fun”.”
Except sports actually requires someone to be somewhat educated, train for years on end and actually produce content or results that don’t involve making money on someone’s IP….the latter being what you tubers are doing.
Retard alert. IGN does the same….tatannananananananana anannannaaaaaaaaa! Reviews have been around for a long time….holy shit what is that? Internet exists and we live in 21st century? FUCKING HELL!
“Professionals” have respect for other people’s properties. You don’t get to be a professional gamer of something if the company that owns the game doesn’t approve you playing their game. You can’t just go and cut someone’s lawn and then ask the owner for payment.
Um dude, this is not as easy as you think. The easiest part is recording the game play and your voice, the hard part is all the effects. In Angry Joe’s videos, he edits the green screen, color corrects, adjust video size, add in text, write a script, actually play through a game, sometimes multiple time, edit multiple takes. What he does takes hours and hours of time just to make a 30 minute video. What he does is essentially both a game tester and a movie editors job, for every single video. He has to make the backgrounds for the videos and well he does everything, one man team, that is not as easy as pie, even let’s players have a heavy work load of editing.
And exactly who asked him to do all that?
Other YouTubers don’t do that, and nobody cares.
pro jared does it…
He has near 2 millions subs soooo yeah a great deal care!
PERFECT!! Best answer ever in this entire topic.
You talking about the YouTubers who have 3/4 subscribers?
Oh please there are lots of easy editor programs that make you do that in a few hours lets not pretend hes working a 9 till 5 shift
Why not try doing that yourself before blindly running your mouth off?
If he registered his video through the NCP he would still be getting 60-70% of the ad revenue. Don’t tell me that is an insignificant amount of money either =p No one is suggesting he should get 0% of the revenue, he just didn’t follow the rules.
Dude Youtube already takes 45% of the revenue, that only leaves 25-35%.
Just through a quick calculation, on average that would yield revenue of $714USD per video (after youtube tax)
Using the single video rate of 60% Angry Joe would be receiving ~$430USD per video if he registered any of the Wii Us first party title with the NCP. This is still a lot of money, especially for a lets play, especially when a lets play is usually part of a multi part series.
I am not sure if the NCP is used with reviews, but even if it did, Joe reported that a review takes an average of 34 hours to produce. If that is so, thats a working rate of $21 per hour, which is still pretty good for any sort of work where no qualification is required and you can be self taught.
for an average viewership of ~300,000 views per video taken from sampling on Joes channel
Says a rich asshole
Exactly. No one wants a “real” job. People want to make money as easy as possible. If I had a choice of making money by working at a store or by playing video games and making videos, I’d choose playing video games instead. No one wants a “real” job. Makes no sense when people say things like this.
>>>Usually, humans with this way of primitive thinking are the ones that smoke pot every day and never had real goals in life and if they do, they are too lazy to fulfill their goals>>>
Ok fine. Tell me. Would you rather work at maybe a store for money and that job at the store is really exhausting or play video games and make easy money off of it? Your dumbass would probably choose to work double time at the store and get even more exhausted.
>>>I’m doing the third one, fulfilling my dream instead and those who at least works at a shop will have work references in their CV which leads to better opportunities when you want to look for a new job if you lose your current>>>
>>>And if I have to then yes, I would rather earn money doing something useful that helps me in the process than earning money knowing full well I could lose it at any time, so yes I’m the dumb one here>>>
Do people even make any sort of living wage sitting around playing video games? Like really now this “job” is anything but.
>>>Excluding Youtube, probably not unless hired/asked by the companies>>>
I thought so,lol thanks.
Guess you Nintentards never heard of ESports
Really? I guess people like game grumps are just sad individuals with no life then, it’s called talent and they are making a living of doing what they love.
I personally am trying to become a freelance artist but maybe I should be in a “real job” instead and be an office worker.
Is it really so hard to believe that some people can be paid for being entertaining in something they enjoy.
This all being said though, bit of an imature and unproffesional video by joe, I understand ranting at nintendo and spreading the word about this but he tends to go on rants at companys for stuff not even related to it.
>>>A freelance artist or whatever, you create your own original work, that’s not the same as this thing>>>
>>>And an artist of what exactly if I might ask?>>>
Okay but to get popular on YouTube you can literally do nothing but scream at a camera while you play video games badly a la pewdiepie youtubing doesn’t require any sort of “talent” like a real job does,lol.
You’d be surprise how many incompetent people have “real” jobs. Politicians come to mind.
Or do I have to remind some of you of that guy that wanted to “off” all of the gays?
Or that pastor that wanted to put all the “homos” in a confine space and shoot them, so “we” would rid of all of the homos. (Yes, those were his words)
-_-
Politicians, regardless of how well they are doing their job, are still required to do work and have been educated in specific fields to obtain their jobs
….they also don’t earn income by using someone else’s IP that they don’t have the rights to profit off of??? Like I’m not sure what you’re not getting here.
That wasn’t my point either, which is why I left it out of my comment. I’m not saying I’m in his favor, all I’m saying is that incompetent people have “real” jobs as well. It doesn’t always take (what did you call it?) Talent, to have a real job either.
Being competent is not the point, stop trying to derail.
The problem here is that you don’t get to exploit someone else’s copyrighted material, add worthless bitching and call it “original content”, it’s a blatant violation of intellectual rights and an illegal way of making money.
I’m not saying it is, what I’m trying to get across is that even incompetent people have “real” jobs. Lacking the necessary skills isn’t a prerequisite for not getting a supposed real job. We have idiots of all kinds in every field.
So what you’re saying then is as an artist you would have no problem creating something and allowing others to make a living off of your work and you not receive a dime.
As a working artist and published writer I feel compelled to tell you that your mindset is crap.
1.-Stop degrading office workers, you depend on them more than you think, you smug bitch.
2.-You’re going to have to compromise if you’re intent on earning a penny as an artist.
3.-Talking over a projection of copyrighted material, which is an intellectual rights violation, is not “talent”.
Wow. Fanboyism at its finest. Angry Joe was right. Nintendo fanboys will ALWAYS defend Nintendo. It’s not a matter if Nintendo has the “power” to do it; it’s a matter of whether it will benefit theM in the long term
There are fanboys who pay their taxes and fanboys who don’t. Which one are you?
You’re an idiot. Speaking of things you have no clue about.
>>>Book an appointment otherwise keep quiet>>>
CATTLE COMMANDER at it again. Weakest shit bro. Book an appointment to what? Laugh at your stupid computer parts you have taped to your body. Ill pass for a day at a normal Zoo any day.
>>>Normal Zoo = Cattle
Period>>>
When I smoked pot I still had the goal and vision of becaming game developer ( i still do have that dream and Im one fucking step closer in becoming one), but I do agree with you that 90% of fucking pot smokers are lazy as shit and sit on they’re ass all day.
You smoked pot? No wonder your panties are in a constant was.
>>>You better try your best to become what you want to become according to your profile>>>
>>>You’ll have your personal guard if that ever happens>>>
It was like for 3 months. It’s was not a long term thing. Fucking quit when I realized what the hell I was doing and what road I was going. I didn’t want end up like dumbass friends. Doing the same shit over and over again. Being a senior I realized the dream I longed was getting fucking flushed down the drain. When I want to accomplish something , I will do any fucking thing to get it done. And trust me I’m already in the shoes of a game developer.
>>>I thought I was refering to that or you decided not to become the “president”?>>>
Game developer first than I’ll some how become the president. You need experience in the gaming industry first.
>>>Maybe should have clarified it was your Miiverse profile I was refering too>>>
Duh! I knew what you were talking about. You some type of gaming experience to become the president right?
>>>Maybe but Lord Reggienator has experiences in economics, not gaming>>>
Marketing/ advertising is one of my strong holds but that shit gets boring even though I’m good at it. Can’t rely heavily on that dream because it hard even getting in there.
I agree its a real job, but he should treat it like one, be professional. There is a policy put in place, and like most media companies if you use copyright materials, you either pay a licensing fee through a service, even if its right to know. It saves you from getting sued or in this case pulled.
Generally, yes, you would have to pay the licensing fee in order to show footage of whatever game you’re playing. However, youtube has a partnership system in place where, once you’re earning a solid number of views and subscribers, a company might want to add you as a partner. Joe here is partnered with Polaris, and like other gaming partnerships such as Machinima, ZoominGames, or whatever, they will pay the licensing fees, and in return, they get a portion of your ad revenue. If you have a gaming partnership, you are essentially protected from being sued for copyright infringement if you use gameplay footage in your videos. However, even if you are legally permitted to use gameplay footage, the company can still claim the revenue on your video if you show that gameplay, which is what Nintendo did here. Usually they only go after let’s plays or other similar videos, I haven’t seen them claim any reviews for their games (as reviews are considered fair use). I believe Joe uploaded a portion of his twitch stream where he played Mario Party 10 while talking over it, and while he is legally able to show that footage, Nintendo can also legally claim the revenue. This is actually a bad thing for Nintendo, as explained by Joe in the video, since it’s pretty much free advertising to his nearly 2 million subscribers, and now he refuses to make any videos about their games.
But the problem is and Youtube doesn’t have a partner program, see Viacom VS Youtube. If you get a copyright claim, they pull you down cause they don’t want to get sued yet again (not that Nintendo is actually threatening to sue). Youtube has a your guilty policy on it. The copyright claim doesn’t even have to from Nintendo, it can come from pretty much anyone who presses the button who are annoyed or it could even be a bot which has happened before. That said they very well could have hit the report button. Those partners may have leverage when talking to Youtube on your behalf but at the end of the day its still Youtube’s call.
AND once again, I will explain this cause you don’t seem to get it, unless he is hired by Nintendo, he is not advertising for them. They would have hired him to do so and have no control what he says. Every time a copyright claim is issued by anybody against them on their behalf they do have to either ignore and take the bad press, or get someone from the Media department to clear it. No Free advertising here.
Even as editorial use such as new you do have license media if you didn’t create the content and the problem is any in the Let’s play is a Screen Capture not recording the screen with you in front of it. You run the risk of copyright issues. If you look up the Copyright Act of 1976 it will make sense and why you see Newscaster record the screen. But again Youtube would still make the final call if its legal or not.
Anyways I listened to the videos its very he said, she said type of stuff and your not going to get an answer out of a big corporation, none of them do it.
And they are being way easier, than say the music industry if you sample music ….or heck any kind of usage of music without licensing it first.
Anyways the rant just makes him look unprofessional and that he doesn’t know what he is doing as a professional.
Actually, I’m not sure if you understand what happened. The video wasn’t taken down by Nintendo, they just claimed it. The whole Viacom thing is irrelevant since, as I’ve said before, Polaris pays the licensing fees, therefore Joe is able to freely post the video. If the video was reported by Nintendo for copyright infringement, then Joe would have a copyright strike against his account and the video would have been forcefully removed, which didn’t happen in this situation. Joe took it down because Nintendo was leeching the revenue from that video. If Nintendo did take it down, they would be in the wrong and Joe would be able to appeal to youtube and get the video back up (which he probably wouldn’t have done anyway, since most of the time when something like that happens, it’s not even worth the hassle).
And YES, it is advertising even if Nintendo didn’t “hire” him. If I’m in the mall and I go around telling random people to go to Panda Express in the food court because they’ve got awesome orange chicken, and I say it’s amazing and super worth the 5 bucks or whatever, that’s advertising. Yeah, I’m not getting paid by Panda Express, but I am influencing people to spend their money there. That’s why there are terms such as “paid advertising” and “unpaid” or “free advertising.” Nintendo wasn’t paying Joe, but as he said in the video above, he was telling people that he had more fun with the Wii U than any other current gen system. There’s no way that can be taken as anything BUT advertising.
And finally, it made him look unprofessional? Really? It would have been more unprofessional for him to take down the video and never post anything Nintendo related again with NO explanation. Honestly, if anyone here is acting unprofessional, it’s Nintendo. Joe shows people that their system is fun and he says people should buy it, and they go ahead and claim the video anyway? That’s low.
All these commentors that are defending Nintendo didn’t want the full video. They just read the title and bam they think they know it all.
^this
Im glad to see someone making the distinction here that Nintendo did not take down the video just its capacity to generate revenue. I still have to disagree on the free advertising point though. The video was monetised and Joe chose not to register it with the NCP.
Personally, Joe lost respect from me with this video. He knows he was in the wrong for not registering with the NCP and he is upset Nintendo expect to share revenue. He feels like he is entitled to that 30% that Nintendo wants from him after investing in their system (which he didnt even do, the machine was donated by fans wanting to see him play Nintendo games). Additionally this was his first Nintendo video and yet he has acted as though he has been doing Nintendo favours for years! The entitlement was strong in this video…
Ehhhh I’ve got to refute that. You have to admit that the NCP is somewhat flawed. If he applied to have his channel approved, then they would reject him for having videos that contain footage of non-Nintendo games. If he submitted the individual video for approval, not only would he lose revenue for the 72 hours it takes to get the video approved (which is when a good chunk of the viewership happens), but it would ultimately get rejected in the end anyway since, for some reason, Mario Party 10 isn’t on their list of NCP approved games.
Nintendo also wasn’t forced to claim the revenue here. True, it could have been a bot, but that makes no difference since, in the end, Nintendo’s policy towards these content creators is the same. Most companies don’t go around claiming the revenue because these videos get people talking about the game. Which is where the free advertising comes in. It should be considered free since, in the long run, Joe doesn’t get paid for playing games. He gets paid for allowing Polaris to display advertisements on his video. Nintendo isn’t paying anyone in this situation, so for them, it’s completely free. However, you’ll sometimes come across youtubers that do get paid by companies to play their games and upload videos on it (boogie2988 is one popular youtuber that comes to mind). That would be paid advertising, since they are giving him money to show the game to all of his viewers. Often there’ll be an agreement or contract beforehand that will say whether or not that specific video can be monetized. However, Nintendo didn’t pay Joe to play Mario Party 10. The game is not eligible for the NCP. The only way he could make any money in this situation is if Nintendo chose not to have this strict policy against youtubers. I still feel Joe is in the right.
I agree there are flaws to the NCP (mainly in the ToS), but I dont think they deserve the flack they get over the revenue sharing. I have no problem with the concept of revenue sharing. As for the rate, well, thats the rate Nintendo have set for licensing, so that is what it is. If thats too high or too low is another question, most people here seem to think Nintendo taking ANY money at all from the revenue is wrong and over stepping their bounds.
Your argument regarding the 72 hour period is irrelevant, you can upload a video, submit it for review and unlock the video once the review has been completed.
As for your comment on how much is left for the youtuber…
Looking at Angry Joes channel, I would guess the average views of his videos is ~300,000 views per video.
Just through a quick calculation, on average that would yield revenue of $714USD per video (after youtube tax)
Using the single video rate of 60% Angry Joe would be receiving ~$430USD per video if he registered any of the Wii Us first party title with the NCP. This is still a lot of money, especially for a lets play, especially when a lets play is usually part of a multi part series.
I am not sure if the NCP is used with reviews, but even if it did, Joe reported that a review takes an average of 34 hours to produce. If that is so, thats a working rate of $21 per hour, which is still pretty good for any sort of work where no qualification is required and you can be self taught.
In any other medium LPers would not be allowed to stream a companys IP for free be it in music or movies or books, even if they claim it is free advertising, I dont see why gaming gets a free pass.
Real advertising requires permission from the company or individual who owns the product. Not really getting why some people still can’t understand this simple concept. Again, you can’t just clean someone else’s car window for them and ask for payment right? Have some respect for others and others will give you proper respect. If you do someone else’s job and get paid you are basically stealing their income. This is not just about a company taking control of their property it also putting their employees first before “self professed professionals” who do things their own way.
The only way the “advertisement” crap would fly is that you genuinely believe not one of those two million subscribers is aware of what Nintendo is, and such assertion is so ludicrously stupid that I won’t even validate it with a laugh.
Ah. So Nintendo should just stop advertising altogether then, hm? Maybe they should just stop doing Nintendo Directs, since everyone already knows what Nintendo is. In fact, who even needs trailers anymore? Everyone watching them already knows what the game is about, so who cares? And all 2 million subscribers are hardcore Nintendo fans who probably already bought the game, is that what you’re saying? And not one of the 150,000 people that saw Joe’s video in less than 2 days thought to themselves, “Hey, that game looks pretty cool, Joe looks like he’s having fun, I think I’ll go pick that game up.”
Oh, but I’m sorry, I must be the only one who blindly buys games without reading reviews or watching some gameplay videos. My mistake.
This reads off to me as delusional as fokk. I have a normal job that I rather enjoy very much. Not every lame fuck wants to take the easy road for everything. You should maybe know something for fact before you spill that nasty opinion soup bro. Getting paid to sit on one’s ass sounds like a job for just that, a lazy ass. My opinion, dgaf if you enjoyed it or not.
Being jealous of a fat fuck who lives in a craphole making money out of breaching copyright laws?
Oh yeah, he’s on top of the world, meanwhile I’m here, publishing novels I actually wrote, how dare I.
The Butthurt and delusion is strong with this one
So i could just be a thief and say i love it, dont pay taxes and as long there are people in the reach ill have money rolling day in day out.
There are no conracts in between, work hours, pay checks. Its not a real job its a hobby that you can make money of
Is there any rule stated by the IS federal regulations that say that?
Hey, they get paid, and they pay taxes. Last time I checked, that is a real job.
It may not be honorable in your books, but it is “real”. Similarly, according to your standards, professional sports athletes, sports commentators, etc – they’re all not honorable or respectable (though many will argue with you), but they are all indeed real.
Except that many of them refuse to get a job and solely rely on Youtube. There were a few channels I knew that were hacked and taken down and Youtube refuses to bring them up.
This is like walking into someones store and start selling you’re own stuff their… It’s cheating…
The fuck are you talking about? Are you a child? Seriously you sound like a child who only has an ugly, grey, hard cube, and you’re jealous of the kid across the room who traded his cube for a colourful fluffy bear. “waaahh, waahhh, he’s cheating!!!!!”
No, it’s not ;-)
Yes, it is ;-)
Can’t have a proper discussion with you, you only trying to write clever comments instead of adding to the conversation. The comparison you’re making doesn’t even make sense…
You’re saying how it their cheating, which is the equivalent of saying life’s not fair, which is what children who haven’t yet fully developed say. It makes sense, you just haven’t developed enough to understand why.
But it IS cheating if they don’t have to pay for the material they use, how can you not see this?!
Don’t feed the trolls.
How the fuck can you cheat at life? I already said, watching someone play a game and playing it yourself are completely separate things. I am watching GameGrumps play Super Mario 64, but I’m only interesting in listening to Danny and Arin talk. When Nintendo released Super Mario 64 on the Wii U, I bought it because I am watching GameGrumps play it. One more time, watching someone play a game =/= playing the game.
White knighting for Zoe Quinn’s white knights, great mindset there.
Notice gamegrumps arent receiving cease and desist letters and are still playing Nintendo games? Pretty sure playing by the rules has some nice benefits.
>>>Comparing human sport athletes that have put body and mind into their work for years to a lazy big mouthed video maker earning money based on others’ properties without permission regardless of commentaries is so irrelevant>>>
No it’s being who put time and effort into reviewing and or being entertaining which is very hard to do.
Tell me, why is it fine for gaming news sites to be paid for reviewing games but a youtuber is somehow not allowed?
All Youtube/blip and all this stuff is is a new way to do buisnes that did’nt exist 10 years ago, and it’s gonna continue to get bigger and let more people make a living of doing what they love wherether you like it or not.
>>>Because they have permission from them and I’m sure these gaming sites asked them for permission first>>>
>>>Nintendo could lower their percentage by 10-15% at least though in their policy program>>>
And no one is arguing he should work for free. He is entitled to 60-70% of the ad revenue from the video if he plays by the rules.
How about you: go fuck yourself.
Good, we don’t need Autistic Joe ruining the Nintendo fan base any longer.
You are precisely the rupee of person Joe is taking about: the delusional, idiotic fanboy who insults and doesn’t use rationale for shit
These guys are essentially free marketing. And Nintendo fails to utilize them. They are also becoming increasingly necessary as the gaming market gets flooded with games (not Wii U of course) just to find quality games that might interest you.
Why would Nintendo want free marketing from someone who doesn’t even support their products?
Free marketing you can’t control and that is illegally making money off of breaking copyright laws.
Wonderful.
He’s probably making more money than you and me combined. Why would he do that?
Because he’s a whiny bitch, throwing a tantrum because his illegal operation got shut down.
maybe he should get a real job instead of being unproductive all day,
Never heard of him. Are his videos good???
He’s a new millenial, finding an actual productive job is something he’s too lazy to do
Being an entertainer is one of the most important jobs if done right. This is a very real job. How many people with a normal job can actually impact a child or adults mind. Anyone who doesnt agree isnt seeing the role an influence of entertainment in our society.
“How many people with a normal job can actually impact a child or adults mind.”
Teachers??? Who clearly didn’t do their job right if you’re making comments like this.
It’s not precisely hard to entertain people when you see how Smosh or Nigahiga do it, the difference is that, while still dubious in the quality department, the content these people upload is all theirs.
These people who are calling him lazy are judging most likely from an “employee” point of view. These people could be really good at something, and the thought of doing their own thing to capitalize on it wouldn’t even cross their minds.
Go ask that to PewDiePie.
This is herd mentality. Stray from daily rush hour traffic, make ok money, and be prepared to be called lazy.
You guys are late on this and Nintendo needs to change their policies, it could easily be free advertisement for their games.
If they only do it for the money, then yeah, they should quit. It’s not their property, end of story…
Angry Joe’s source of income is Youtube, Nintendo could just make a deal with him where he can monitize his videos.
Like if he were to register for the Nintendo Creators Program? He even mentions in his video. He knew he was breaking the rules.
Except people don’t watch let’s plays for the fucking video game, otherwise nobody would ever commentate on a youtube video. People watch because they want to see how their favourite youtuber plays the game, meaning it is their content. The game is secondary, the commentary is why people watch.
>>>Really? every video I’ve seen, most complain about them having commentaries and wants the creators to remove them>>>
>>>Where? If that was the case, why is there no really big YouTube channel that just plays games without any person attached to the account?>>>
>>>Depends on having an agreement with the creators, having gamers that are a part of the agreement and so on first>>>
Wut? There are plenty of developers and publishers who don’t officially give a rat’s ass if you stream their games. No need for separate agreements. Yet no successful channel exists without an entertaining personality attached to it.
>>>Then that’s their choice, just because some don’t care doesn’t mean everyone else thinks the same>>>
>>>The only thing I think High Command should do is to ease up their Youtube policies a bit by lowering their percentage by 10-15% and that the Youtubers can use all Nintendo games for use as long as it’s not Let’s Play videos that shows the entire game>>>
>>>But on this occasion I’m satisfied they did it since that Xbot had no Nintendo videos ever>>>
So, let’s say, i’m a comedian, right? And you’re a shop owner. I walk in, start my performance, and earn money… Don’t you want a share of my revenue? I bet you will…
Yep, that’s why THAT IS HOW IT ALREADY FUCKING WORKS. YouTube takes a portion of the earnings, where YouTube is the ‘shop’. Nintendo gets free advertising.
This is like you’re a comedian doing really funny jokes about Coca Cola in a big shop with a big stand of Coca Cola to the side of you that people can buy as you constantly talk about Coca Cola, and people also hand you a few cents every now and then for your jokes. At the end, after you gave all that free advertising for Coca Cola and people bought their drinks, Coca Cola comes up to you and says “Hey! You still have 50 cents in your pocket. Give me that as well.”
You’re right
>>>Usually though, the majority of these comedians are sponsored by those companies>>>
>>>And this imbecile hasn’t even made one Nintendo video ever on his channel>>>
If you watched the video he talks about him having a mario kart video too which he must have had to take down too because of Nintendo’s overly percentage take over.
You do a lot of sucking for Nintendo
30% is an overly percentage take over?
Well it is if you consider that Youtube already takes 40%.
Fred, the only problem with this scenario is to equate it to the Youtuber, the comedian would be ripping on the company and saying the product sucks.
That’s not positive advertising.
Everyone keeps trying to use this “free advertising” argument, but it falls flat because the average Youtube persona is an angry or complaining gamer who criticizes and bashes the game they are playing. (Why? Because most times, it’s funny and an easy laugh.)
I’m not in the industry or anything but it’s common sense that if you’re trying to sell a product, you generally don’t want people talking sh*t on it.
Then companys better get their shit together and stop releasing half assed games, and guess what? Nintendo of all companys do NOT need to worry about that, Joe made it very clear he was having a blast with the wii U, and the majority of his fanbase are probbly not ninty fans considering the consoles he reviews.
What you’re saying is that it’s fine for companys to cover up shady bullshit, if we did’nt have people doing this then all we’d have is filtered marketing that’d be able to make the rambo videogame look like half life 3.
I wouldn’t call a company releasing a product I don’t enjoy “shady,” in all honesty, would you?
Let’s plays and youtube reviews have helped me to discern if I was going to buy a game or not, so from a consumer standpoint I’m not against them. I don’t know how old you are, but before the internet we had to ask our friends or rent a game to see if it was worth buying. (#getoffmylawn)
What I do find odd is how people such as AngryJoe can profit off of showing someone’s else’s finalized product. That, to me, seems shady.
Yet, when a big personality like TB or AJ talk about a shitty game, and bash it, that game’s sales spike up. And no, (popular) youtubers rarely talk shit about games if there isn’t a reason.
Why would a game’s sales spike if it’s given bad reviews or shown to be garbage?
Im not being facetious, I’m honestly curious for an example of this.
Yes there are two reasons: 1) the game has flaws and/or 2) the youtuber wants easy laughs because they have trouble entertaining on their own merit.
I honestly have no idea, but TB or JesseCox mentions it in one of the podcasts, how the devs have thanked him about it and how he could not understand why the sales spiked either, but IIRC attributed to the personality. Sometimes things are so bad they are good, sometimes a Co-Op Let’s Play seems like fun… who knows.
That’s interesting.
I watch for the game
Oh sorry Mr. Important, I didn’t realise that if you did something that therefore everyone else must do that same thing.
True, I don’t feel bad about gutting nerds trying to make money off their IPs but their policies are ridiculous
Again, advertising that you can’t control and that is actively breaking copyright laws is not something anyone in their right mind would want.
Good. Hopefully Nintendo will stop this bullshit. They’re fucking idiots. This is the last thing they should be doing with the Wii U selling like shit. Now they’re just pissing people off into not buying a Wii U
I kinda wanna slap Iwata in the face now xD
I think we all wanna slap Iwata in the face now :)
He just started doing Nintendo videos fuck this guy
Nintendo should do what hasbro does with mlp fim videos,leave them ALONE!
It’s the reason why the MLP:FiM fanbase grew to the size it did back when it was a relatively respectable fanbase. An entertaining show, a casual relationship between the fans and the creators of the show, and the show reflecting this relationship. Heck, the creators encouraged fan content; they encouraged creativity. That’s what made the fanbase so strong back then.
Yep, that’s the really ironic thing about people who defend this.
Most companys who do support this free advertising usually have a better connection with the fanbase(valve comes straight to mind, a company nintendo could learn alot from) and while this does’nt directly apply to valve, games like minecraft and Five nights grew massive in popularity due to how it’s been constantly shared around.
I understand the need to take stuff down sometimes, there’s been a few people complainin about the mario 64 remake that was taken down and they had every right to there, but stuff like this does nothing but hurt nintendo and their connection with their fans, as far as the Lpers are concerned they can just go elsewhere.
Had every right to? No they didn’t. The guy released a remade level. A level that he released for free. He wasn’t making any money off of a level. Them shutting it down made people want to continue and make more of it.
Children of the night: best video ever
good. hopefully more youtubers boycott them until they fix their backwards way of thinking. I’m still super annoyed about the 3DS being region-locked… goddamnit Nintendo! fix yo shit!
Shut up bitch
Amuro-chan.
What a Faggaddy way of doing things, Angry Hoe oops i mean Joe has always been a Biyatch
He did like… 3 or 4 videos on Nintendo… and 2 of them were complaining about Nintendo’s YouTube policies.
Angry Joe knew that would happen, I mean, come on. Still though, more voices complaining is not a bad thing. I do think Nintendo should change their policies, but the proof will be in the numbers and exposure they’re missing.
Good fuck them all
Play games
Don’t watch
Fuck you kids also
Don’t tell me
What to do
Or what I should like
Fuck you
This is rich considering you’ve been pestering Navi and demanding he/she changes the way he/she thinks.
>>>They are only mad because they don’t make money as much as they want to if they would submit to the empire’s policies>>>
>>>And it wouldn’t surprise me if the majority of these so called Youtubers thinking it is a real job by earning money based entirely on other’s properties are all pot smoking infidels that needs to get out and study,work, make original created content or shut your mouths and submit to our rule>>>
shut the fuck up. then i guess news channels on tv are stupid and this entire site is stupid and all gaming news sites are stupid because theyre making money off of something that isnt their property.
>>>I’m sure Sickr shows every game entirely on this site, I’m sure gaming news sites that have been round for years and acknowledged from everyone else as well as Nintendo and news channels are the same as a lazy human that hasn’t even played a damn Nintendo game on his channel is the same, I’m sure all of you that worships these lazy humans are even lazier>>>
News channels (or web outlets) video usage go under Right to Know. If you want more information the US government puts up the whole thing online:
http://copyright.gov/title17/
This actually has more to do with Youtube copyright stance and taking videos down with a bots. A news organization controls what they can air and how they can air it, its not going through a 3rd party distributer. The only thing they have to deal with is FCC rules, but that is a whole different can a worms.
Also, if the new organization got sued over copyright infringement, it would be on them alone, but if a Youtuber got sued it would be Youtube as a company that would take on the lawsuit. If look up what happened with them and Viacom (they were also sued by Sony over media), you will have a better understand why Youtube removes any copyright material like crazy.
This is the only big thing I think is wrong with Nintendo at the moment if they can just fix this Youtube shit they would be in a lot better place
Really? This is the only big thing you can think of that Nintendo is doing wrong? Not the lack of Wii U 3rd party games? Not the complete lack of advertising, the terrible online system with no voice chat, the stupid console based accounts? No, no, you’re right. This is why Nintendo is fucked.
let’s not forget region-locking a handheld console! -_-
Well the third party games are’nt fully their fault imo, but yeah the lack of advertising and online system(which is actually good in parts imo) is infuriating especially since they are making some of the best games I think they’ve ever made recently and they are ruining it by puttin the marketing half of the company in the care of mentally handicapped chimpanzees.
He obviously knew this would happen and posted this to make his point. I don’t get why people can’t just make less on Nintendo videos, most videos on YouTube these days are PC or PS4. What’s really disgusting is how people react to this, just look at the comments on his video
Exactly, he’s baiting and his crowd are falling for it like dumb seals clapping in a circus.
Ya know im on two sides with this. I agree with angryjoe, nintendo’s copyright stuff is bullshit and nintendo could have free advertising if they stopped their shit. But, I also do agree with nintendo aswell, I say that because they didn’t make the game so people could play it and get money, it is a business aswell. I would be up in arms if it was a review that took joe hours to make, but it wasn’t all it was is him playing the game nothing else. So maybe nintendo is a little right for doing this. idk
Haven’t seen the video, but usually there is quite a bit of editing to do on them. The bigger problem is that Nintendo is flagging reviews, in addition to let’s plays, and reviews fall in to fair use -category, but even when youtubers are right, apparently it is just too much of a hassle to deal with.
He can still earn 60-70% of the ad revenue if he played by the rules of the Nintendo Creators Program.
I’m not one, that post a lot in news like this, but.. Who the hell is him, and why do I have to care that he quits? There are a whole LOT of other youtubers out there that do the same crap as him, if not better.
GOOD!! i hate angry joe, he lacks a good review system, let’s his own personal issues influence his judgement, and honestly, i was getting tired of all his rants
I DON’T defend nintendo policies, but he knew about it, he still decided to do it, and now complaints about this? doing something you know is wrong and then complain because they told you it’s wrong is acting like a child honestly.
it is almost as if he didn’t read the policies… he still decided to do it and created a click bait video about useless rants… what a clown
As much of a Nintendo fan I am I have to agree with him.
Piece of shit Joe ranted like a bitch when Bayonetta 2 was announced as Wii U exclusive, swearing he would never buy a Wii U. Then he bought one and figured might as well milk it some cheap ass lets play money. Made one video, was taken down and then complained.
They weren’t even fucking reviews, which he doesn’t seem to make anymore. He’s complaining because Nintendo won’t let him produce cheap content with his property for him to make a quick buck out of You Tube. He has NEVER reviewed a Nintendo game nor was he going to. He’s pissed because he wasn’t allowed to create effortless content.
Fuck this guy.
Actually, he apolagized about the bayonetta thing once he found out it would’nt of been funded without nintendo. I believe he thought something along the lines of nintendo buyin the i.p like Banjo and Microsoft.
I do find it annoying though that he does jump to conclusions sometimes though but atleast he had the balls to apologize for it.
Bought one? It was donated to him…
Never a good idea to get a job relying on YouTube. Like do it as a hobby not as a job. Plus if I spent tons of my time and money to produce the game, and someone made the same amount by playing for an hour its just not fair
lol… he doesn’t even play nintendo games. he only did this for attention.
Get a real job in the real worly ye social reject.
world*
shut the fuck up. im pretty sure you wish you could make money off of playing video games like he is. i know would too. and most people on this site does. stop with the real job shit cuz you know no one wants to honestly do that crap. its like working at a store. would you rather do that for money or play video games for money. which one is more relaxing? im pretty sure you would choose the one thats less time consuming and energy draining.
If someone came up to me and said what do you do for a living and I said play video games on youtube I would feel ashamed of myself. I wouldn’t even say it because it’s sad and people would look at me like I’m a weirdo.
Until you show them your bank account, then they’ll want to be your friend.
You do realize he does more than just “playing video games” He makes some of the most high quality reviews on youtube.
Yahtzee and Matthewmatosis do better reviews, and they have real jobs so they don’t have to rely on ad revenue.
When did Nintendo hire him to do advertising, it must sucks to be fired.
>>>Never, nor did he ask for it, nor did he make any Nintendo related content beyond his recent bashing>>>
Then people should stop complaining this is Free Advertisement, advertisers are hired.
Maybe this falls under editorial journalism, but he should go complain to youtube, they don’t protect journalist or documentary work from copyright claims.
>>>He can do all the free advertising he wants, as long as he doesn’t make money out of it because Nintendo didn’t ask for it nor did him>>>
You know… Those moments when you want to move to Japan so you can slap Nintendo in the face, tell them to quit being stupid, and then you move back home… That’s been happening a lot recently…
wow, nintendo fanboys are very selfish. they act like this is a OK thing just because they don’t watch this dude or care about his fans.
Just because people disagree to how YouTubers are reacting to this doesn’t make them “selfish fanboys”. YouTube is blowing this way of out of proportion. This just demonstrates their arrogance, i don’t care how many time they insist they do this for a “hobby” the fact you are making a big deal about making less on Nintendo products proves you see it as a business. Look i don’t have a channel yet so i may not understand the whole revenue thing but when i do i care more for entertaining viewers on the content i post i won’t let the amount of revenue discourage me from continuing. This guy could be successful with Nintendo games but he is quitting before he can realize that. What did he think posting a Mario Party 10 video would accomplish? Who cares how much you said Nintendo in your video there’s no such thing as free advertisement
PC gaming makes more than all of the big 3, and thats mainly because of youtube and twitch. and also…you don’t see Sony or Microsoft restricting their fans this much, this shows that Nintendo is out of touch and won’t ever change because of their fanboys who constantly defend them.
>>>No, they try to violate your rights and spy on you instead while forcing you to pay subscription fees to play online even though you already pay for your internet>>>
1. Kinect is optional
2. Online isn’t shit
3. You aren’t trapped into only buying 1st party games
4. They want to let you share your gameplay
>>>Irrelevant, it should still be free>>>
Dude do NOT EVER use Xbox live as a good example of good online, I don’t consider having to pay for online to be a good thing regardless of it being better then the wii u, especially when there’s so many games that are mostly if not completely online.
we are moving off topic, PC makes more than the big 3 because of “free advertising” and now sony and microsoft are trying to replicate that success while nintendo is doing the opposite.
I know, just had a bad experience with sony and ms paid online recently so i’m just venting XD.
But yep, I think it’s safe to say when EA is marketing themselves to youtube better then nintendo …their doing it wrong!.
Though it’s a shame that there’s alot of people using this as an excuse to try and degrade the rest of the company, best thing people can do here imo is simply not upload vids of nintendo, every other company is fine with this so worst case scenario Nintendo stays in ignorant bliss about what they’re doing and watches their youtube following fade away or best case scenario they adapt and change the policy, either way it’s not gonna affect the LPers much unless other companies follow suit in this.
PC makes money off of advertising? One would think they make money because they sell easily compatible games, but no, apparently the majority of their income comes from people streaming games. Got it.
Not really, i’m a massive nintendo fan and I still fuckin hate this, every fanbase has it’s sheep so to speak, why do you think EA is still in buisness?.
Having different morals than yours does not make us sheep.
Just disagreeing doesn’t automatically mean you’re not sheep, it just means you have a very meager grasp of how the issue works.
This is one of the more frustrating things here, how dismissive people are being about people who agree with Nintendo here. Joe even said it in his videos, that anyone who disagrees with him is a fanboy and is just wrong. Maybe we understand the situation too and have valid points? Maybe we could discuss this without piling on irrational hate?
Some Youtubers use the money they get from their videos to donate to charity.
Or you could stop watching videos and go help a charity yourself, but I guess it’s easier to convince yourself that someone else is doing it so you don’t need to.
Wow Fred, calm your tits.
Fuck youtube.
Hope he gets hacked
If he didn’t sign up for the program then he shouldn’t be so surprised.
Oh well. Never seen one of his videos in my life.
I agree 100% with him. Nintendo’s YouTube policy is shit when it comes to uploading Nintendo videos!
lol He didn’t even buy that WiiU. His fans donated it to him
Fans donated the money, he bought the Wii U. Donations and ads are how he makes his living.
>>>Ipso facto, his fans bought it for him>>>
So there’s children living in the streets and dying of hunger in Latin America, men being raped and murdered in Africa and women being stoned to death in the Middle East; all of who could actually use some charity work but you lot are just wasting money on sustaining this able-bodied middle class man from the first world?
How do you even sleep at nigh?
Move to latin america and help them then and while you are at it stfu!
Just FYI, I haven’t donated money to him. And on my back usually.
You people don’t own the copy rights to any of nintendos games
Once again seven dollar sanchez just can’t catch a break
I really think that Nintendo should stop trying to control and interfere with YouTube videos in this manner. This is absolute bollocks. Complete and utter bollocks.
Come on people, Nintendo is a great company, but everything has it’s problems, and this is one of them! You shouldn’t be trying to defend it just because Nintendo partook in this!
Also, this is a good article regarding this program’s problems.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2015/02/06/nintendo-updates-their-bad-youtube-policies-by-making-them-worse/
Please read this if ye still want to cling on to the “Defend Nintendo no matter how ridiculous that action was” bandwagon.
Nintendo is a crap company that makes great games and has some good innovation, everything else is either shitty or shady.
He should be pissed. Nintendo’s stranglehold on content like this helps nobody and hurts both parties. Pewdiepie has a fucking powerhouse of followers that would jump of a bridge for him. Nintendo is losing sales by not hopping on the bandwagon and going where their customers are.
Good. Really is no point to these idiots on YouTube and their mindless moronic fans who watch them play a game or talk. Play the game yourself! And boohoo, you can’t get money by riding on the coat-tails of a game, something you have absolutely nothing to do with. My heart bleeds. Companies should be suing the shit of these tossers.
you are a fucking asshole. go die in a car crash and suck dick bitch
Irate Eduardo ia going to quit making videos her never made, nintendoomed.
Jesus Christ, phone stop butchering what I post.
How about quit making videos altogether?
Wait… what… he’s popular?
It’s within Nintendo’s rights. It may not be a nice move, but it’s certainly not a bad one. You lose the revenue on the videos, but at least he can still make them.
Nintendo needs to get their act together.
It’s wrong what Nintendo did but its also within there own rights to do so…After watching the video a day ago. I simply have to no pity over AngryJoe. He’s just mad cause he’s not getting paid….I think all these BIG Youtubers are fake & out for the money. He should of been more mature about it & contact Nintendo and asked them what’s the deal. Because there are tons of other Youtubers, like DashieXP or Gamexplain who do Nintendo content and don’t even get copyright infringement notice. He’s just another guy who needs to get a real life job….I’m unsubscribing from him…
He knew the deal, 60-70% of the cut in advertising revenue. He referenced it in his rant. The terms weren’t good enough for him so he got out his pitchfork. He is complaining that Nintendo won’t let him take 100% of the revenue.
Here’s something for ya. WHEN DID HE REALLY HAVE NINTENDO VIDEOS IN THE FIRST PLACE? It’s not a real loss when he’s usually strictly PC,PS3/PS4, and XBOX. If he actually did more nintendo stuff on a regular basis, it would hold more water.
I don’t know who the fuck that even is, it’s like,
Oh no not THAT guy! That one random idiot no one has ever seen before!
He’s doing this for attention and subscribers, not out of real protest.
For the people saying that YouTubers need to get “real jobs,” do you know how much some of them make? Like the really popular ones?
MKBHD makes about $2 million a year just from reviewing electronics. Would you honestly tell him he needs to get a “real job?” YouTube is their job and it actually does take talent to produce entertaining and informative videos and build up an audience. Even someone like PewDiePie (whom I despise) had to work very hard to get to where he is.
If you say it isn’t a real job or that you can do it better, go ahead and try it. I would never talk down about how someone makes their money unless it was fraudulent.
We live in a society today where everyone can be an entrepreneur and build up something. Just because it isn’t a “traditional job” means nothing.
Bulding up something and breaking copyright laws ain’t the same thing.
As much as it pains me to admit it there is lots of people who actually built something: Smosh, Nigahiga, Davey Wavey. Yes, it’s cheap and basic entertainment of dubious quality, but it’s all theirs and nobody will ever threaten their revenue because they’re not depending on the violation of intellectual rights.
You lot need to stop acting like this is “the man” keeping young entrepreneurs from reaching the top because it’s not, this is a company reacting in a rather mild way to an illegal operation.
The interesting part is that we had a similar situation with one Mr. Ray William Johnson, yet virtually nobody sided with him, why are people siding with his analogues from the gaming community? Because we’re being told a cheap-ass narrative about censorship and “the man” keeping these poor “entrepreneurs” down. It’s all bullshit, this is a non-issue being blown out of proportion by lazy and greedy LPers over dirty money.
I wouldn’t be surprised if you lot also side with Anita Sarkeesian and Phil Fish if you’re this easily compelled by cheap victim narratives.
I have a real job and I play video games. Dude needs to face facts a learn not to depend on other people’s work to make money.
Just read the Nintendo Creators Program page and the only problem that I can see, is that the percentage is too small. I think that it should be 90% to the Youtuber and 10% to Nintendo. I only have one question, when someone is partnered with a Youtube Network, like Polaris, does the Network take a percentage of the ad revenue from the Youtuber that is partnered with them, or does the Youtuber get 100% of the Ad Revenue? If these Networks do take a percentage of the Ad Revenue from the Partnered channel, then all Nintendo need to do, is match those contracts and the Youtubers should be happy. Right?
And good riddance, free advertisement or not, self entitling people who believe everything is fair according to their New Millenial mindset, who without even asking for permition from those they wish to use from, have no need to be upheld or asked for help from. These YouTubers are in a sense running a business. So instead of whining like little brats, they should wake up to reality and show some respect to those they are using. Negotiate in a professional manner with the company they use from and reach a deal.
Who cares.
I’m wondering how many of you guys actually watched the entire video instead of jumping to conclusions, as he brings up some excellent points (and the Forbes article someone posted in this thread is a good read too).
Even if Nintendo technically has a legal basis of doing this, it’s a dick move that is the antithesis of what every other gaming publisher/company is doing.
Personally, I think that when you buy the game, you shouldn’t be penalized for sharing your experience of the game with other people, even if it is a gameplay video. It’s your gameplay, for the game you bought, that you are showing others to highlight what you love about the game. Nintendo has a giant stick up their ass and needs to get with the program (although, this wouldn’t be the first time that Nintendo is not only late to the party, but taking an opposite stance against something that gamers support and want, and which actually is good for gaming in general).
He doesn’t have a point, nor does Forbes, all they’re doing is spinning some boogus censorship narrative that doesn’t have anything to do with the real issue.
Yawwwn… more of these whiners? Seriously… get over yourselves already. They should snap back to reality and realize that the free ride is over. Get a real job, you and that other guy. pewdi whatever his name was. :(
Yeah. “Real job” is completely subjective, and considering that many real jobs are boring as fuck and leave you feeling empty and hollow for the majority of your life? I’ll take making money at something I enjoy doing rather than what you think constitutes a “real job”.
This is an absurd dichotomy, you’re assuming every real job is automatically displeasing.
Well real jobs allow us to walk and drive on the streets. Real jobs allow us to wear the clothes that are on our backs. They are sometimes shitty jobs but they make the world go round. Imagine if all people wanted to sit around making videos all day and getting paid top dollar for it.
Anyway, as for the whiny bitch at hand, its plain and simple.
He needs to pony up the money for making a video of an intellectual property to its owner. Him trying to make a job of this is his own foolish delusion. The video rant is just a wah fest for him to rally up his sheeple to back him up.
A real job means getting paid for something you work for that doesn’t violate the law. Any job that is deemed legal is a real job and anything that is illegal cannot be a real job no matter how much you love it or hate it. Therefore, LPrs that follow the rules have real jobs, and LPrs that don’t are freeloaders and whiners that are ruining this field of work for everybody. And those who defend these freeloaders are either ignorant of the concept or just too naive believing that they have the right to make money off of someone else’s property without permission/cooperation. In the meantime, piracy is also booming due to the rapid improvements in technology, and I’m sure most of these guys love doing what their doing coz it’s easy money.
He had about 4 videos of Nintendo related stuff up, he didn’t even buy the Wii U himself, his subs gave him the money to buy it.
And
he clearly only done this to get attention if this twitter post is anything to go by…
“- ̗̀GamerXiphos ̖́- @GamerXiphos Apr 5
@AngryJoeShow @TheEmpBruh You must have known it was going to happen, given that this is the second(?) video you’ve done on the subject.
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Joe Vargas @AngryJoeShow Apr 5
@GamerXiphos @TheEmpBruh Yea I did. Originally I sat on that Angry Rant, not putting it up. but slower news day generated articles on it.”
haha. Well, he sure is right about the Nintendo fanboys flocking to defend their empire at any cost, regardless of the practices they do, and while criticizing other companies but giving Nintendo a free pass.
There’s your answer right there bitch wanted money on a game that he didn’t own cry me a river
I dont mind people playing video games for fun on YouTube but playing video games so they can get money is stupid
Angry Joe makes good game reviews and he’s usually funny and doesn’t take sides unlike some other Youtubers who claim they are not biased but obviously a fat Xbot.
When Ps4 and XBO fanboys were gushing over news titles, Angry Joe gave the low down on games that really suck. But fanboys were already on the hype train before watching his review…
He doesn’t really do any Nintendo reviews until he and his friends played Super Smash Bros. So why bother posting his reaction when this is an old news? Clickbait perhaps?
Really… then explain why he seems to do most of his reviews of third party games on PS4?
Angry Joe is biased towards Nintendo, he seen the amount of amazing games coming out on the Wii U but never bought one, he instead got a Wii U GIVEN to him and that was last year… Angry Joe can even put up 3DS reviews yet he still doesn’t… he is biased…
Video games are my down time. I’d hate to do it as a job. Everything enjoyable loses it’s appeal when you have to stress over doing it enough to make a living.
He is absolutely right. Nintendo is greedy. These videos are free advertising for Nintendo. I know I bought a lot of games based on Youtube videos. I like Nintendo less and less. I used to be a huge fan of theirs. I don’t know anymore if I still am a fan or not. They are starting to disgust me. Their decisions are really rubbing me the wrong way.
I love that the comments here are nothing but garbage from people who DO NOT know the law. Who spout bullshit like “Stealing from Nintendo” and copyright infringement.
It’s called free use, and video gameplay and reviews falls under it, look it up dumb-asses.
First off, it’s called Fair Use, not “free use”.
Secondly, Fair Use is only eligible when it is done for purposes of education or evaluation.
Third and final, Fair Use is automatically void when the material is reproduced in front of a public for money without the proper licenses.
is there any proof that any video he has ever made has sold a video game?
Flappybird was unheard of and got insanely popular because of Pewdiepie, so there’s that.
Since when did Joe suddenly care about Nintendo? Most if not all of his reviews had been on other consoles?
Ironic that Joe is boycotting Nintendo, yet he’s STILL buying EA games when the latter was known to screw over games multiple times.
Exactly,.. Joe has never done anything Nintendo. You cannot quit something you never started.
I watched his Nintendo Rant. I usually like Angry Joe, but honestly he sounds like a big fucking baby in tha Rant. He could have kept the video up and got 60% revenue from it. Instead he cried because he wasnt gonna get 100% revenue and took it down.
I just think it’s ironic that a youtuber is calling someone greedy because they don’t get to keep ALL the money..lol
XD “quits doing Nintendo” 2 things wrong with this article 1. Angry Joe 99% of the time never does much Nintendo at all besides rants 2. This article feels like filler for a slow day of news worse than the defective amibo news that use to be constant.
I don’t blame him. Fuck Nintendo for that too. Pewdiepie even complains over the same thing.
Poor Rustled Ramiro.
Angry Joe is a bitch. He thinks his opinion is fact. And so do the sheep that are his fans.
This is a good take on the Nintendo Creators Program
I honestly can’t decide how to view this. On one hand, I can’t help but feel that Nintendo does have a right to try and claim whatever benefits come from YouTube videos are showing off their “property”.
But on the other hand, every other game company(or at least most of them. I believe.) don’t enforce this, allowing free advertising for any games or systems. I dunno, the only nintendo games I ever played were smash bros and pokemon…. I’m more of a Playstation fan
Must not have been THAT popular, since I never heard of him.
Stopped watching four minutes in.
Man, on my past public YouTube channel, I had pretty much nothing BUT Nintendo related videos. Well, a lot of collection videos too etc. But my main focus was Nintendo. I had reviews and play-throughs and stuff. So I’m glad that I left the YouTube world years ago, because this would have really angered me if I was still doing YouTube videos.
Hmm.. I’m iffy on the topic and would rather encourage Nintendo to open up to YouTubers. Any way I found this video and while the attitude is quite ridiculous, he makes some interesting points. I’ll just leave this here but just take this into consideration;
Damn! I fucking hate these pseudo-fans from YouTube and its distorted sense of copyright! Of course Nintendo will never let these mentals to claim money in something that belongs to them. Free advertisement my ass!
What boggles my mind is, all these people who post nothing but Nintendo related contents. And Big YouTuber like The Game Theories, The Completionest, and ProJared have a lot of Nintendo video. Yet, non of their videos were acclaimed, nor they had to take down a video for copy rights’ complain. Why Angry Joe got acclaimed, and non of the others ??
The writer was right for sugesting that he should challange the acclaim. Why didn’t he do that ??
Also, the one thing that irked me about his video is how he’s comparing Nintendo, the best video game developer in 2014, to EA, the WORST company in the US for about 3 years. Guess good games that wor from the first time, and hardware that uilt like tanks isn’t enough.
How do you find people who have signed up for the program?
useless rant is useless, company’s are always gona be dicks, if you don’t like it, don’t buy their shaite…
“Because of that attitude, I wont be covering Mario Kart, Mario Party, Zelda, Star Fox, Metroid and whatever 17th version of the same game Nintendo wants people to talk about on youtube until they pull their heads out of their asses and stop claiming videos.”
So, I guess he will be covering Call Of Duty only now. ;)