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Naughty Dog Co-Founder Says Nintendo Is “Irrelevant” In The Hardware Business

Naughty Dog co-founder and former THQ boss Jason Rubin has boldly stated that Nintendo is “irrelevant” as a hardware manufacturer within the console industry. However, Rubin – in his interview with GameTrailers – quickly followed up by saying that Nintendo is a “worldwide treasure” and legendary designer Shigeru Miyamoto could never be topped. But he also mentioned that it’s “a crime that we do not play those games on the systems that we have.”

You can see the full interview here, where the panel – including web analyst Michael Pachter and designer Seamus Blackley – discusses the publishing industry as it is and how it may change in the future.
This isn’t the first time we’ve heard discussions taking place where Nintendo is deemed as irrelevant in the industry – Pachter claimed so last year and, most recently, Atari founder Nolan Bushnell said the gaming giant “could be on the path to irrelevance.” Do you agree with Rubin’s comments? Let us know in the comments below.

117 thoughts on “Naughty Dog Co-Founder Says Nintendo Is “Irrelevant” In The Hardware Business”

    1. Nathan is quite a fitting name for someone who talking about Naughty Dog… but seriously, to call a company that introduced the D-pad and rumble features, popularised motion controls and was responsible for the Nintendo 64 and the flippin’ Gamecube controller “irrelevant” must be a crime!

        1. as is THQ… oh wait.. didn’t the article say he was a cofounder? does that make him an expert on irrelevancy maybe?

          nintendo did introduce motion controls however and were promptly copied.. can’t be that irrelevant now can they?

    2. By the way, isn´t Naughty Dog one of those exclusive Sony development teams ? :P. Of course Nintendo is irrelevant… for them. They don´t develop for different devices. (Genius)

    3. Uncharted wasnt even a twinkle in ND eyes while Rubin was still at ND. It is becoming more and more apparent thst these articles are becoming flame bait articles sickr. Because this guy isnt at ND or THQ anymore.

      1. to be fair: it does say co founder
        nowhere does it say he’s still at ND

        but the emphasis should have been on “ex THQ boss” not “ND co-founder”
        that way it would have been immediately obvious that he himself is irrelevant and has helped steer a major publisher into irrelevancy which is quite a feat and will certainly look great on any CV

        1. Exactly, the way its reported makes it seem that Rubin is still incharge of ND, hell, hes been gon almost 10 years. But to Any one thats not aware of who this train wreck is going to immediately think hes still incharge.

    4. See, this is just a bunch of bullshit. If these people thinks Nintendo should put their IP on their consoles, then why don’t THEY do what THEY think is best and put their IPs on NINTENDO’S console. That would be a nice gesture, That would never happen though because we all know that these companies are waging a war.
      Saying Nintedo’s hardware is irrelevant is beyond stupid. They have made more hardware than any other gaming company by a VAST MARGIN. These people think that just because the Wii U is struggling they can talk all kinds of shit. Pathetic. Also, Nintendo has brought more to the ENTIRE gaming industry than anyone else.
      Standard controller design, including D- Pad, four button layout, shoulder buttons. Rumble, sensitive triggers, touch screen, motion controls, two screens working together, and a few more minor things.

      I’ve got nothing against Sony, I’ve played many games on their systems. People like this guy make me want to stray from them though.

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  2. Partially true, Nintendo makes quite shitty hardware lately in terms of power, but they have some great engineers when you look at how WiiU runs those games by using just 30-40W by being cooled with a tiny fan, and it doesn’t even get slightly warm. But nobody cares about those things. People care about graphics more.

    1. And that’s precisely why the gaming industry is going down the crapper. People care more about polished turds than they do about innovation and fun.

      1. if it wasn’t for myth busters i wouldn’t even be aware that it’s possible to polish a turd.. but lo and behold it is
        and they sell like hot cakes

  3. Ugh, thats what it all boils down to, doesn’t it?
    “Put your games on other consoles so i dont have to buy it”
    GET OVER IT!
    People need to stop being so fucking pathetic, and just buy it, for fucks sake. Enough with the extreme consumerist lap dogging, and loyality to one fucking brand, it’s STUPID.
    And it’s not just people who won’t buy Nintendo, it’s happens all the time, morons making petitions to have Killer Instinct and other Xbox exclusives on PS4, complaining to have Playstation exclusives on Xbox and PC, GET THE FUCK OVER IT, AND BUY IT YOU CHEAP PRICK!
    It’s fucking infuriating.

        1. Maybe because you make it seem we all have money to buy more than one console? :\ Everyone is buying consoles. and here I am, can only afford one handheld per generation.

          1. Well then if that’s the case then people need to get over it.
            Can’t point fingers at a company saying “i want that, give it” just because someone doesn’t have the money, that’s your own problem.

          2. The thing is Jason Rubin has enough money to buy more that one of each console, he should not be acting like a little bitch crying “I want those game but I want them on other consoles”.

            And even if you do not have the money to buy more that one console, top shit man, you chose one console over the other, deal with it, yes you can be sad or mad at that, but do not go around like that pretentious ass hole Jason Rubin claiming is a crime against you the fact that you can not play exclusive games to a console in another one.

            1. Well I was never on the side of exclusives being on other consoles. Exclusives are there to sell consoles(and the game as well), it would be pretty contradictory to then have exclusives on other consoles.
              I’m only speaking for persons like me who can’t afford a lot of consoles, but I’m not saying they have the right to beg for exclusives either. If someone can afford more than one console, they don’t have right the to beg for exclusives to be on another console. So yes, as you said when a person has chosen to buy one console over, the console exclusives is something they should accept especially since they made the decision of buying a different console.

          3. i think it’s because of all the caps and unnecessary swearing and repetitions which make his comments a pain to read.. or make people want to throw a brick in his face

    1. On top of that…
      Can we all just take a minute to just realise that all 3 of the people who said this have no credibility whatever, because they ‘re major fuck ups, in terms of business, and being analysts.

    2. It’s not just the fact that having to go out of your way to buy another console to play Nintendo’s games is an annoyance, but having to play it on inferior hardware while you have something 4x as powerful sitting right next to it is kind of a drag. Would you rather play a Zelda game that looks like crap and has a low FPS, bad/few AI, short draw distances, a smaller world and more/longer loading screens or one that looks and plays awesome and you don’t even have to switch consoles? When it comes to home consoles, I wish that Nintendo would either show us why Wii U is relevant with some innovative games that make use of the Wii U’s unique features or just go 3rd party already. (Their handheld hardware, on the other hand, is doing as good as ever)

  4. yaaaaaaaaaaay he’s so right, because the 3ds is an irrelevant console and hasnt been the best selling video game console for the 4 months
    -_- fuck off you loud mouthed dumbass

    1. Yeah I don’t know why I didn’t stop reading there. This isn’t worth fuming over(well I’m depressed) it’s more of a casual stomping if I ever see this fool

  5. Former president of THQ? This must me the least credible opinion in the industry right now.

    The 3DS is made by Nintendo and its the most popular gaming hardware in the world and will probably end up selling more than PS4 and Xbox one. Wiiu has been selling poorly in its first year but with the likes of MK8 and Smash on the way, things can turn around!

    The N64 only sold 35 mill, was that irrelivant or one of the mot revered pieces of gaming hardware ever?

    THQueer

    1. Why do you have to use homophobic insults most of the time? Is it because you feel superior to people who is homosexual?

      1. Why do you have to point out trivial and irrelevant things in such a brazen manner? Is it because you feel superior to those who make plays on abbreviations?

        1. Why do you have to call out trolls in such a forthright fashion? is it because you feel superior to people who liek to make stupid joks on the interwebz?

      2. God faggots like you are the worst. And I don’t mean faggot like homosexual, I mean faghot like a overreacting butthurt little bitch. Definitions change over time and slang is born, if you can’t handle that or English is your second language, please fuck off cuz you will NOT fit in

    1. P.S. +that’s entirely true. I mean look at how “POORLY” the 3DS is selling.+ It’s practically competing with itself now for Christ’s sakes

    1. Damn straight! I can’t believe that the idiot behind the udraw boards and a failed software company has any relevance when speaking about a giant. That’s like a local barber who’s business got shut down calling the justin Beibers barber crap. It doesn’t matter if he sucks or not, THE MARKET DECIDED YOU SUCK MORE

  6. Nintendo is irrelevant. That’s probably the reason why I chose buying a WiiU instead of a PS4 or XBox One this Xmas.

    1. Of course! And your consoles are irrelevant. I mean no u draw tablet? Give it up man. It’s time to break that wii u and start playing Pikmin on a fucking playstation. This guy is a retard and it’s not hard to see why he’s a “former” boss at everything. Man he’s putting himself in the spotlight to get shat on

  7. It is time! The signs have started to appear, the crash of the video game industry is at hand and it will not strike me unprepared.
    1. Games that works with out 1g patch are gone.
    2. Dlc in being worked even without the games been fully coded.
    3. Microtrasactions on full games.
    4. People defending mediocre products that dosnt work has advertised.
    5. Crappy games being sold better than actual good games just because looks.
    This my gamers are the signs of “DOOM”.

    1. It really isn’t a “crime” that we can’t play Nintendo games on non-Nintendo hardware. If a day comes when we’re doing that, then we know the gaming industry has really gone to the shitter. Nintendo hardware is part of what makes Nintendo games as good as they are. Nintendo are the only people making real dedicated gaming hardware. PS/Bone are just PCs in disguise. Of course that makes them easier to develop on for laziers devs, and the idiotic public seem to be buying these things, so there you go.

    2. Yeah the more I read shit like this, the more I vow to get only Nintendo consoles and a gaming PC until shot is sorted out. Fuck sony no good games. Fuck Microsoft and there promotion if toxic dlc and microtransactions. And fuck paying for online. That shit cost me 400$ last gen. I’ve decided to only support nintendos consoles and steam for keeping gaming affordable, fair, fun and pushing the limits. Fuck the hd twins and the retards (and REAL casuals) who buy them.

      I’m not supporting this garbage, and if worst comes to worst I’ll just buy a Fuxking GameCube. No joke you gimme melee and sonic adventure battle 2 and I won’t need a console for a few years
      (And I strongly dislike PC gaming but it’s better then this garbage)

  8. I agree with him to be honest. Got the Wii U on launch its a great piece of kit, but unfinished in so many ways, I still don’t even have TVii in Europe.

    Also Nintendo had the chance to make this console double the power at a very low price they chose to not bother and are now feeling the heat.

    However Naughty Dog can go suck out as the last of us is irrelevant now, I doubt anyone would say that about any of Nintendo Franchises

  9. And the hate agianst the boss in the game industrie is going on and on and on. three days ago Mario 3D world was the worst selling Mario game in Japan, yesterday i read another news, that Mario 3D World have selling 175k and that means it is not the worst selling Mario in Japan. They keep hating on Nintendo, this never gonna stop.

    They can talk what they want, but Nintendo is gonna dominated 2014 with games like, Smash Bro’s,Mariokart,Donkey Kong,Fire emblem x SMT,Bayonetta 2,Watchdogs,Project cars,Yarn Yoshi,maybe Zelda…This is the most hardcore year for a gameconsole!

    1. I’m starting to think that everyone knows how much a threat Nintendo is so they try to hold it down. I think the world is butthurt that Zelda and Mario are still the greatest

  10. ITS KINDA TRUE NOT GONNA LIE BUT NINTENDO ALWAYS MAKE HARDWARE ACCORDING TO THEIR STANDARS AND CONVENIENCE. LIKE THEY HAVE ALL THIS AMAZING GAMES THAT CAN BE MADE WITHOUT HAVING HIGH SPECS. AND THATS THEIR PBLM, THEY DONT THINK ABOUT THE THIRD PARTY HIGH TECH GAMES.

    BTW THIS SITE IS A FUCKIN JOKE. SO MANY MODS AND NOBODY TOOK THEIR TIME TO POST THE GOOD NEWS ABOUT SM3DL USA SALES BUT YEAH THEY POSTED ABOUT JAPAN LOW SALES AND YET THEY POST THIS BAD NEWS. U FUCKIN TROLLS.

    1. That’s because when Nintendo actually did the more powerfull and more durable product they where abandoned by gamers during the gamecube. No one can blame them for the path they took if you abandoned them when they actually where doing that.

    1. Chris :'( I’m so sorry I ever treated you the way I did yesterday! I just hope more people are like you and me. Speak with your money man. If a company is acting like a buncha douche bags, let them know to knock that shit off!
      Idc if you have a ps4 or wii u, but when the leaders of a company act like children, you know it’s time to say goodbye.
      (Ps I don’t want to mislead you, but I think he was the former head of naughty dog. Either way they’re doing stupid shit again. Uncharted 4 is good and all but doesn’t the world want a new ip, or even the last of us 2, I mean there not far off from becoming Sonys exclusive activision)

  11. Boo-hoo. I’m to cheap to buy a Nintendo console to play their great games, so I want them to die so I can play those great games on my console.

    1. Haha looks like he lost all his money with thq. Let’s go spit on his box for being so stupid. This guy is more irelevant to the industry then Nintendo obviously. That’s like an old fashioned buggy calling Toyota irrelevant.
      YOUR DONE DUDE STFU

  12. Because Naughty Dog made their zombie game last year and formed a legion of fanboys around it, they think they can say whatever they want… Hey Naughty Dog, don’t forget you make games for a company that builds low-quality PCs.
    It’s official, Naughty Dog turned horrible.

  13. If that’s true, then why do Sony and Microsoft try to copy the Wii U using the Vita and Smartglass? Just because Nintendo hasn’t had the most powerful hardware in the last two generations (three with the very late arriving Xbox over Gamecube) doesn’t mean they are irrelevant. The Wii definitely should have been more powerful than it was, but it still sold very well, and motion controls were copied by both Sony (almost directly with move) and Microsoft (kinect).

    The Wii U may not be as powerful as PS4 or Xbox One, but again, this isn’t the same kind of gap you saw between the Wii and PS3/360. It’s closer to the gap between 360 and PS3. You can’t compare videos of “X” on Wii U and FFXV on PS4 and tell me there is a night and day difference, like say COD on Wii vs COD on PS3. In short, this guy is a moron. Need I mention the roughly 40% failure rate of PS4/Xbox One consoles thus far? Bricked out of the box? How many Wii U consoles had that problem? The Wii U’s “guts” are smart, efficient and more powerful than they get credit for.

    1. 1% failure rate are of ps4/xbox1, not really that high. I have ps4(got on launch night) and it works perfectly, fastly, better than WiiU when it launched(way faster, even after all wiiu updates way faster).
      But i totally agree. Difference in graphics isn’t extremely high. And it’s still not sure whether WiiU is just ps360 with twice more ram, or it is 50% or twice more powerful.
      And sony and microsoft copied the shit out of Nintendo. Look at all this smartglass and vita remote crap, it’s all a taken from the DS. Playstation move? taken from wii remote.. sad. lol

  14. Hmmm funny becuase all Naught Dog games were SONY exclusives…
    Head of THQ? …. Didn’t he make them busted?
    I hate when washed off people are doing controversional statements just becuase they want some public attention…

    1. Yeah we need to start beating people up for that. We need a literal Nintendo defence force to drag him out of his bed and slap him silly

  15. I remember when I complained everywhere that had a comment section about how Kingdom Hearts 3 wasn’t coming to Wii U. Those digital tears and moans were everywhere.

    Oh wait… I didn’t do that cause I’m man enough to know what I have to do to play that game, get a PS4 or an Xbox One (LOL who am I kidding PS4 all the way on that choice).

    1. Well, to be fair, the “Kingdom Hearts for Wii U” thing had some merit. Kingdom Hearts games have only been in two ballparks — Sony, and Nintendo. With the fantastic title that is Dream Drop Distance, you’d think Square would have wanted to ride that wave for Nintendo users.

      But, instead, they release it on another platform that has never had a Kingdom Hearts title in its publisher’s library, and as a result, they’re releasing it to an audience that has no fans of their franchise.

      It’s nonsensical.

  16. Nintendo will be fine. They just need to sack a few people, like Iwata. Love the guy, but his vision is clearly the wrong one. Nintendo come across as work shy, they seems to make so few games all of which suffer delays. Perhaps with continued poor sales it will remotivate them, because no doubt they have got complacent.

  17. If they’re next console isnt on par with the next gen playstation and xbox console. Then they will become irrelevant and Nintendo is too stuck in their own little bubble to realize. In my opinion Nintendo as a corporation needs to be rebuilt, and that starts with getting rid of Iwata as President.

  18. Nintendo is irrelevant. That’s probably the reason why I chose buying a WiiU instead of a PS4 or XBox One this Xmas. Funny thing is that the wiiu has a pure console is the most powerfull and the ps4 and xbones are just weak PC’s. If that’s true, then why do Sony and Microsoft try to copy the Wii U using the Vita and Smartglass? Just because Nintendo hasn’t had the most powerful hardware in the last two generations (three with the very late arriving Xbox over Gamecube) doesn’t mean they are irrelevant. The Wii definitely should have been more powerful than it was, but it still sold very well, and motion controls were copied by both Sony (almost directly with move) and Microsoft (kinect).The Wii U may not be as powerful as PS4 or Xbox One, but again, this isn’t the same kind of gap you saw between the Wii and PS3/360. It’s closer to the gap between 360 and PS3. You can’t compare videos of “X” on Wii U and FFXV on PS4 and tell me there is a night and day difference, like say COD on Wii vs COD on PS3. In short, this guy is a moron. Need I mention the roughly 5% failure rate of PS4/Xbox One consoles thus far? Bricked out of the box? How many Wii U consoles had that problem? The Wii U’s “guts” are smart, efficient and more powerful than they get credit for. :-P :-P :-P :-P :-P :-P :-P hahhahahahaaaaaa….

  19. I agree that Nintendo has in terms of hardware. I mean they haven’t had the strongest hardware released since the N64 or heck if you want to count the consoles that ran against them that did or didn’t hit off, they have never had the strongest console since the Master System was stronger than NES, the Neo Geo was stronger than the SNES and the Genesis, technically speaking the Saturn was stronger than the N64 and the PSX, the Xbox was stronger than the Gamecube (given, only slightly) and you all know of the Wii and Wii U dilemma.

    Nintendo hasn’t even competed well since the SNES since any console after that (excluding the Wii) got slaughtered by the competition. I don’t see them being irrelevant since they are fucking Nintendo, but Nintendo consoles have always been about the games and not the system itself. I think Nintendo kinda forgot that with the Wii since they pushed motion controls so much but hardly had more than 10 titles on their system that truly used it to its potential like in games Red Steel 2 and Skyward Sword.

    No matter what happens, Nintendo will be about the best games as every console after the NES had games that are considered the best of all time and I don’t wanna go through a list with each console since knowledge of their library is a bit rusty.

    Point is I agree and I don’t know why I had to put my answer into giant 3rd grade essay form but… oh well

  20. As long as Nintendo keeps enough fans to turn a profit and keep making the games I love, the rest of the gaming world can fuck off.

    Maybe we have 1% of the market share, and smartphones, xBox and Sony have the rest. To them, we seem irrelevant, but so long as I can buy a new Nintendo console and handheld every few years, I don’t care how few of us there are. Nintendo just needs to make enough money to continue offering me entertainment.

    That said, if they don’t stop fucking over the early adopters, they won’t have a fan base next time they launch new hardware. God knows I’m waiting a good 3-6 months next time they launch. After 20+ years, I’m done throwing money at them day 1 for a product getting games 6months after launch.

  21. Consoles in general are irrelevant in the hardware business :P At least Nintendo actually tries to make great games on a regular basis, instead of talking non-stop about graphics…

  22. “Hypocrisy” comes to mind when I read about this idiot’s comment. Rubin is so beyond fucking retarded that he can’t even tell that he just flip flopped himself on the subject that he was more than welcome to make irrelevant opinions himself. In fact, his statements is the exact same BS we heard from Bushnell of Atari and where is he now or what he’s doing? Oh yeah. Bitching about not being as successful and up top as Nintendo, who in fact saved the industry by themselves decades ago and also “accidentally” help bring other consoles and competition into the mix to keep the industry thriving and this is now the thanks Nintendo gets?

    Imagine if Nintendo is out of the picture of the gaming world right now. Do any of your dumbass, Nintendo-hating, HD graphic whoring, fandork idiots have any clue of how devastating that will be and how much hurt it would put on the market? Let me tell you the real cold truth: Your precious “powerful” consoles of Sony and Microsoft are only playing catch up on PC’s architecture which is still far superior and “imitate” anything innovative or different Nintendo dishes out to keep them in the shadow instead of respecting their boundaries enough to keep them alive and relevant to consumers and gamers to compete which may help explain why Nintendo is holding back.

    You people kept bashing Nintendo over the most stupidest reasons imaginable for years and yet still wanting their legendary IPs but to exist elsewhere. Its like you want Nintendo consoles to play them but too ashamed or stupid to own one because you’re enticed by other fanboy morons to buy so called “powerful” boxes, that can’t even be built perfectly on launch, so that they have somebody to play some POS game like COD with. Do you know how much I fucking hate hypocrites like that? You want Nintendo “dead” but still love their IPs? Here’s a solution to that: BUY THEIR FUCKING CONSOLES ALONG WITH ANOTHER! You’ll have both access to Nintendo games while having something else on the side to enjoy also. Problem solved. It doesn’t matter if Nintendo Wii U isn’t up to PS4 specs, they don’t have to be because. Nintendo is careful enough to consider the consumer’s standpoint for cheaper console and their “family friendly” reputation. I agree that they made some mistakes but who else doesn’t? At least they didn’t try to royally screw their gamers with DRM…sounds familiar? And yet 1 millions of you idiots still bought the console bundled with a pointless $100 camera nobody wants and its prone to catch fire or even explode.

    Next time Rubin and Bushnell, just STFU with whatever typical nonsense you’re gonna spit at Nintendo to keep them down and out. But one thing never changes in reality of this: You’ll never be as successful and legendary as Nintendo. Never have and sure as hell never will.

    And I got this to say to Rubin and Bushnell: How’s it hanging at THQ and Atari? *sees them on a noose” Oh yeah. They’re literally hanging out really well. B/

  23. it’s nintendo’s own fault. they don’t want to cater to gamers and instead go after casuals and their kids. irrelevancy in the gaming community will hit them hard.

  24. this sounds more like ignorance to me. if he would’ve claimed that nintendo messed up, then he could at least back his claims up. saying that they are irrelevant however is just dumb

    1. exactly… and what about his statement “a crime that we do not play those games on the systems that we have”?
      isn’t it just as much a crime that naughty dog games aren’t on any platform other than sony’s? (i.e. xbox wii u or PC)
      or are they maybe just not as good?

      seriously what’s the reason they’re apparently exempt from this rule?
      i suppose it’s just arrogance on his part…

  25. Maybe everyone forget Nintendo 3DS is the best selling console in the earth and Nintendo as been in the video game market for many years with highly successful titles and consoles and changed the world of gaming and more specially without Mario the video game industry have been disapeared many centurys ago….

  26. how comes it’s always people who have retreated into irrelevancy themselves that are claiming this?

    atari cofounder?
    pachter?
    ex THQ boss?
    really?

    but maybe this is a case of “it takes someone irrelevant to know something irrelevant”
    who knows

  27. One thing remains for sure. Nintendo will always be different. i say we actually enjoy what Nintendo gives us and ignore these posts.

    Funny coming from someone who was the “former” boss of the so long gone THQ and who’s never made hardware.

    If Nintendo really were in trouble, then I would be concerned as I’ve been playing their stuff for many years, and yet I am not concerned one bit.

    Performance of a console doesn’t mean anything – it’s all about creating definitive experiences and how you use the hardware. I personally think X1 and PS4’s hardware is pointless, because there won’t be any games that need 8Gb of RAM even if the console is deemed future proof. Too much money for stupid specs.

  28. people thing that the ps4 controller is innovative and the the wii u gamepad, how is it that a revised controller “innovative” and not a one that has a screen in the middle innovative, its like saying a floppy disc has more space than today’s hard drive.

  29. Well I will take his comment and through it in the trash, as he has an ulterior motive. Cause you know his opinion is not worth the trash it sits in.

  30. Dont be cheap, just buy Nintendo console and play “worldwide treasures” as long as you want. Switching hdmi ports from xbox/ps to wiiu is one button press. So easy.

    1. I dunno about that. PS4 is completely destroying the Wii U on all sides and only the 3DS can stop it. The PS4 already has an amazing selection of games as well and I’ll probably pick up Madden 13 at some point. Should be pretty fun. #Hardcore

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