Ngmoco, the company that makes free-to-play mobile games for iOS and Android has said that Nintendo’s handheld division is at the brink of falling apart due to increased competition from both Apple and Google. Ngmoco CEO Neil Young says that consumers can’t justify spending $30 on anything other than a Mario, Zelda or a Pokemon title.
“I think that Apple has done a number on Sony, and Apple and Android are now doing a number on Nintendo. What they’re really doing is defeating the Nintendo hardware machine.
“The ecosystem that they’ve created, it’s just really difficult to justify spending $30 on a game that is anything other than a Mario, a Zelda, a Pokemon. I think that ultimately their ecosystem starts to fall apart.”
Oh lol, mobile companies trying to say this is actually amusing
Patcher is that you ? @ topic:p
really, cant you see that its fvcking dominating the consoles. Is he talking about Vita ?. Cant you see the diff. between an iOS and 3DS ?
this is just silly, we can go on about how meany smartphones have sold, but games just aren not the same, the quality is lacking and their is no community. though I think that their next handheld REALLY has to step up their game, multitouch, pen, OLED, every angle 3d, possibly things like GPS, a full web browser, possibly amazon store (for music and movies) Bluetooth, CDMA? if they can find some one to host it for 5$ a month (cricket wirless?)
shut up play mobile u hipster
Aeolus> lololol
Aeolus=@Anonymous
Anonymous could be anybody, considering thats your name if you don’t put one in. Try commenting about the article.
Lol I agree. I guess selling a lot of handhelds means that nintendo is collapsing. Samethibg Rovio said that they wouldn’t spend $50 on nintendos junk. I rather play anything besides angry birds. I don’t play any mobile games
idk wheres the logic of Ngmoco guys statement.. hhah really true. So if Nintendo sells shittons of 3DS it means they’re collapsing. hhhahha
It’s funny you say something about Rovio and their hate towards Nintendo at all, Angry Birds Trilogy is coming out at the end of September, and the 3ds is getting a version of it.
They may be popular but they will not kill off dedicated handheld gaming any time soon. Not at all….
Side Note, Sickr, if you guys want to check out this report a Research and Markets company made about Nintendo, Apple, and Sony.
http://gamerxchange.net/2012/03/27/sony-will-beat-out-nintendo-and-have-number-one-handheld-gaming-device-according-to-new-research/
That research report sucks. Premium video cards are like the vita. They don’t sell ethier which is why they are more expensive. Also it simply needs more games.
this is BS^
apple trying to take down nintendo handhelds? thats the most retarded thing ive ever heard. why would anyone play a 2 minute rip-off of mario or play a 8 Hour filled game of Super mario 3d land? here i will choose for you: 3ds Games> Shitty iphone rip-offs
Nobody can justify spending a single cent on ngmoco games, which is why they’re free…
No buttons.
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XPeria Play.
Next beaten to death argument please?
wow one phone that isn’t a knowledgeable percentage of smartphones on the market.
I’ve never heard of that device, until now, if that ever caught on then it would be proper competition.
Xperia Play sucks, it doesnt even have a dual core procesor, next argument please ? my friend has a xperia play one… its so old right now, and THATS its the reason cellphones will never beat, you have to change them in a year to year basis if you want to keep playoing those new games… and thats even worse than a PC (and im a PC enthusiat)
Many phones didn’t have dual core when it launched. Next stupid point to make please? Also, how is dual core possibly helping you with mobile games? I don’t think you’re very bright, so shut the fuck up.
Oh the irony.
lol so true he acts like he don’t care about power.
Well… he is saying that the Xperia Play was the cellphone with buttons, what i said, that for being the phone with buttons it plain sucked even when it launched, as dual-core phones were starting to be the new thing
and beside that. you are so stupid, “HOW IS DUAL CORE POSSIBLY HELPING WITH MOBILE GAMES” are you kidding me ? can you be that stupid, do you even know SOMETHING about technology ? or you still think WiiU, PS3 and 360 uses only 1 core ?
i cant believe youre THAT stupid, please shut the fuck up, seriously
Tard thats freaking fail phone…
i have that phone and it sucks major donkey penis.
lol no… Those old games? You are so funny and nonsense…. 80% of mobile games means crap, sad but true… and what about the many people buying new smartphone every year? For play mobile games? lol
Gaming on a phone. Beaten with your own stupidity. Oh, Angry Birds is succesful? 1 billion? About $500 million? Okay, well Nintendo is just gona go ahead and selling NSMB and have 20 million worldwide sales, and bring the total to $800 million. Truely, Nintendo is in trouble, that they cant compete with one $1 game
I came up with a rebuttal to a silly overused retort with a very direct answer. I don’t need your pointless verbosity and asshurt, dipshit.
Smartphone gaming will kill the handheld market, the evidence is there with digital sales and the fact that companies are slowly beginning to make them more gaming friendly platforms. The touch screen argument isn’t going to work forever, and I hope you’re all prepared for it.
lolnsmb.
Yeah, that’s going to keep selling forever rehashing the shit out of itself while smartphone games continue to climb closer to console visuals and quality.
Haha no they wont. You’re just doing what you always do, saying the complete opposite of what everyone else is saying, because you’re some sort of hipster troll, which attention seeking issues. Go play with $1 game.
No they wont? Look at N.O.V.A 3 and tell me what 3DS game is pushing those visuals and level of production qualities it has at the same price.
Please tell me which.
Virtually all of the major third parties are on smartphones and mobile. iPod Touch 4th gen (which isn’t even a goddamn smartphone) continue to absolutely obliterate the 3DS in sales with its cheaper price tag, better features, and better battery life, along with build quality. Imagine when the inevitable refresh comes and iPhone/iPod are using the SGX just like the Vita/iPad 3 and offer even better looking and higher quality games for cheaper. The recent apple patent for allowing third parties to come up with physical controls is yet another nail in the coffin for Nintendo’s handheld market.
You underestimate the power of casuals. They’re not going Nintendo. They’re going iOS/Android mobile devices.
more nonsense coming from you, lol… Don’t you learned with Wii or 3DS that what sell a hardware are their softwares? Doesn’t matter if NOVA has good graphics, but is funny how you now put it against 3DS (instead PSV), that means that deep inside you know that PSV is dead.
“You underestimate the power of casuals. They’re not going Nintendo. They’re going iOS/Android mobile devices.”
Thanks God for that, let’s leave Nintendo with REAL games for REAL gamers and leave those cauals for IOS/Android…
The 3DS is a casual’s device, Vita is for hardcore gamers. There’s a big difference, hence why it was not listed.
Wii and 3DS only has a bunch of Mario games and shovelware, mobile and digital games sell like hotcakes. Don’t even try to kid yourself. Sega’s digital sales with mobile over their packaged titles is living proof of that.
Also, real gamers don’t touch the 3DS or Nintendo systems, so they will be left with nothing but fanboys like you when the casuals are all gone. :P
“Wii and 3DS only has a bunch of Mario games and shovelware, mobile and digital games sell like hotcakes. Don’t even try to kid yourself. Sega’s digital sales with”
Apart from the fact that the 3DS has
access to a whole slew of NDS games (where there are enough non-shovelware non mario games) the 3DS also has:
-Legend of Zelda OoT (I know it it a remake, but it is the first portable version and that makes it a legit release for me)
-Shin Megami Tensei Devil Survivor Overcloaked (which is a remake of a NDS game).
-Pokemon Rumble, yes it has been lukewarmely received, but I am enjoying playing through it.
It is not a whole lot maybe, but for me it is enough at the moment in combination with the NDS library.
There are a couple more games that will be released on it which most likely will be worth their new price.
The Mario games yes they have been done to death, but they are still mostly enjoyable (some exceptions)
The Wii also has a lot of enjoyable non-mario non shovelware titels. I am not going into Mario or Zelda, but I enjoyed Goldeneye, Monster Hunter Tri, The Last Story, Pandora’s Tower, Xenoblade Chronicles, Smash Brothers, it also has some enjoyable Kirby games, No more Heroes (2) and there are more worthy non-mario Shovelware titels where I am not getting into. Suffice to say it there is plenty
to go around.
All it boils down to basically is taste and I can not say much about mobile games because they do not interest me much.
actually the 3ds is a hardcore gaming device. Plenty of hardcore game experiences on it presently and more to come. Overall, does the vita have more of these experiences? yes. But with games being cancelled on the system or moved to the wiiu, that wont matter much because if it continues to struggle, it will go through a serious drought and eventually not considered competition at all for the 3ds.
I would not be surprised if games considered for the vita are now being considered for the 3ds instead, now that the vita is struggling as much as it is.
and as for sega. I can see why they are succeeding in the mobile scene. They dont exactly have the most talented studios. They can make great games. But those are few and far between. That flies in the mobile market where games dont need to be all that great because they only cost a few bucks. But doesnt cut it in the console market so much. Them not doing great in the console market is more an issue of the games they are bringing to it not being so good rather than the console market being in trouble.
as developers, their skills are a bit more suited for the mobile market.
Let me said one thing: You don’t play hardware, you play SOFTWARE. A hardware alone means nothing, that’s why PSV means nothing, for casual or hardcore gamers. If you don’t have games for it, it means that it doesn’t serves for nothing.
There is no hardware that is casual, once again, what might be casual is the software. Even iPad might has some hardcore games, but, that doesn’t change the fact that 95% of their games are casual, understand now or I have to make a picture for you?
About the Wii, you just prove my point. Nintendo sold a bunch of Mario games and shovelware (in your mind, I guess) and sold more consoles than PS360, so, just prove my point, what sells is the software and not the hardware…
By the way, REAL GAMERS are playing all these following good games like Kid icarus Uprising, Resident Evil Revelations, Resident Evil: The Mercenaries 3D , Mario Kart 7, Super Mario 3D Land, NSMB 2, Dead or Alive Dimensions, Heroes of Ruin, Kingdom Hearts 3D, Mario Tennis Open, Metal Gear Solid: Snake Eater 3D, Rayman Origins, Sonic Generations, Star Fox 64 3D, Fire Emblem: Awakening, Zelda OOT, Super Street Fighter IV 3D, Tales of the Abyss 3D, Tekken 3D Prime Edition, Dragon Quest Monsters Terry’s Wonderland 3D, Monster Hunter Tri G, in America/Europe or Japan…
and soon, REAL GAMERS are going to play Monster Hunter 4, Bravely Default: Flying Fairy, Rune Factory 4, Fantasy Life, Smash Bros, Castlevania: Mirror of Fate, Zero Escape, E.X. Troopers, Animal Crossing, Lego City: Undercover, Luigi’s Mansion: Dark Moon, Paper Mario: Sticker Star, Professor Layton and the Miracle Mask, Project X Zone, Scribblenauts Unlimited, Epic Mickey: Power of Illusion, Devil Summoner: Soul Hackers, Shin Megami Tensei IV…. and all the good surprises that don’t end.
I’m happy to have time to waste today. :D
Yeah, because Resident Evil and Metal Gear Solid are totally casual games… You know what real gamers play? Real gamers play whatever the hell they please and don’t give a damn what kind of game it is or what platform it’s on.
yeah mobile games are graphically able to compete with handhelds and possibly even consoles some day.
But ultimately they will never be able to provide the experience that the console or even handheld games provide. When you create a market in which games can only be sold for a couple bucks, you essentially make it incapable of supporting games with larger production values. Companies would lose money to sell them at that price, and nobody participating in that market is gonna buy a game for anything more than $20.
the phone market may take a piece of the pie from Nintendo’s handheld market. But there will always be a market for more sophisticated games. Graphics aside, there is a level of polish in the areas of game mechanics, story, physics ect. that these mobiles games havent nor will ever reach. In a market where games are sold dirt cheap, developers will never have the freedom to develop ambitious games. Such games arent meant for that market.
Systems like the 3ds wont be going away in the near future. They may change; games may be offered purely in digital form, which would make games a bit cheaper without manufacturing costs attached to it. But will still be around for a while.
“May take a piece of the piece”? Uhm, it already HAS done so.
You heard it from EA’s mouth if you’ve watched their livestream. They’re number 1 on iOS, because there’s a huge market for games on there. They’re also coming out with 40 freaking F2P games on the platform, you honestly think they’re doing that for nothing? Can Nintendo brag about a software maker on their platform doing that? NO.
Open your eyes, dude–handheld gaming is on its LAST LEGS.
Also, 3DS games aren’t even all that better, they’re literally the same kind of shovelware you’ll find on mobile just with physical controls. I’m not even kidding, so don’t try to make it seem like 3DS games are that much better when the majority aren’t.
If you think N.O.V.A 3 or Infinity blade–ignoring the control limitations aren’t “sophisticated”, you are merely fooling yourself.
Welp, I herpa derped this.
my response is posted below
I see no response.
With this statement, you have proven yourself to be a complete idiot. Please, kindly shut up and never post again.
You say that, and don’t even try to prove it wrong. Because you’re a fucking idiot who can’t.
Look all around you, all of this support major companies do for smartphones over traditional handhelds like Nintendo’s. Because they don’t make profits off of that platform, the money is gained on MOBILE.
Deal with it, facts are facts, no amount of “touch screen this” is going to change that, dipshits.
You still think people buy phones or iDevices to play games, oh lol
Let the iPod Touch sales and the amount of mobile games speak for themselves.
ipod touch is primarily for music. Regardless of whether it not it plays games. Its marketed primarily as a music device. For the most part, its sales reflect the demand for a music device with a touch screen. Gaming for something like an ipod touch is very much an afterthought, as well as with cell phone purchases.
and the amount of mobile games available is suppose prove anything? Thats just developers and publishers trying to cash in on a market where its possible for a simple game to make profit. So everyone is jumping in to try their luck in an emerging market.
People buy it for other things and maybe buy games for it but it’s not the primary reason for people buying them.
I can’t tell if your being sarcastic or not so ima take a guess and say your a fucktard
That did well.
I dunno, I justify it pretty well. There are plenty of DS/3DS games worth purchasing. I myself buy a new game for my 3DS nearly each month, I know many others who do the same.
who plays games that doesn’t have depth in it ?
People who play games on smartphones.
I’ve never felt the need to play Ngmoco games. The only free-to-play online game I’ve been sinking time into is Heroes of Ruin lately.
Is that game any good? I really wanted it when I first saw it, but then I saw lots of mixed reviews, and I have been hesitant to pick it up.
It’s pretty good! I cancelled my Diablo III preorder for it and never regretted it for a second. Heroes of Ruin has a defence-break battle system that Blizzard would never have thought of putting into Diablo, which adds gameplay depth, in addition to the 3D depth you already know about.
Don’t pay attention to game reviews anymore. In a world where you can get direct feed gameplay videos you don’t need reviews to put into words what the game is like.
Obviousy they hired Patcherto say this.
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thats why the 3ds xl sold half a million units in the first 2 days in japan i hate stupid news updates like these
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I hope they saw 3ds LL and NSMB2 sales in japan before they made this statment.
Probobly not the company that said this is probobly just sad cause most of there games can’t even compete with nintendo
Have still never bought a game for a mobile phone. Will always stick to dedicated gaming devices. I want a high quality experience and am willing to pay good money for that.
agree^^
Agree. I rather play sony and nintendo handhelds than angry birds
i still like both pc and Nintendo gaming.Oh yea and sony too
you a sony fanboy?
if yes then you are a dron
oops i forgot to change my gravatar
He just said he likes Sony, you moron. There’s nothing wrong with liking things other than Nintendo.
twas a joke sir that guy usually slams sony. i have all 3.
Who wants to tell them that most Apple and Android games suck compared to a game made for an actual gaming console?
true..
To be fair they have a point in that a lot of the stuff that came out for the DS did not warrant anywhere near the asking price when compared to things like Pokémon and Mario. Still, I don’t believe they’re suffering as a result of gaming on mobile phones at all. If the mobile people are getting a bigger chunk of the industry it isn’t because people like me have stopped playing the DS/3DS, it’s because new people are gaming on mobiles and diluting the numbers.
There is a lot that was not worth the asking price, but there are a whole lot of games worth there price on the DS (not including Pokemon and Mario).
The Layton series
Ace Attorney series
Etrian Oddysey series
Nine Hours, Nine Persons, Nine Doors (2)
Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor (1+2)
Dragon Quest (most of them anyway)
Digimon World games
Infinite Space
There are probably a whole lot more I have not mentioned, but I have other things to do at than to get too much into this.
Yeah… No.
Bullshit. Currently I have nine games for my 3DS, and am perfectly happy. Know how many games are Pokémon? Well, none, since they haven’t released a “real” one for the 3ds yet. Know how many are Zelda? Nada. Don’t have Ocarina of Time for handheld, because I felt that it belonged on the 64. Know how many are Mario? One. Mario Kart7.
Also, all of this came from someone at a company best known for fucking TouchPets? Fuck you, dude, you don’t know jackshit what you are talking about.
Touch pets really?!?! Didn’t Nintendo come first with Nintendogs?
Dedicated devices will always remain around for hobbyists. I highly doubt that mobiles will take over completely.
Your well reasoned argument and truthful content, as well as calmly delivered doubt allows me to a) agree with you entirely and b) resume faith in our ability to spell and write and discuss.
The world would be a better place if Apple died with Jobs.
That’s messed up dude…..
Then again, people would actually look up from their eyePhones for once….
It’s a fanboy.
Hi siegfron von gay hows life going?
Is it really though? I mean you know, rest in peace Steve Jobs, bad way to go, but Apple are assholes…
If, say, someone like the CEO of EA said this, I’d be concerned. But having to hear this from someone who didn’t support Nintendo’s handhelds and does support Android and iOS gives me the feeling to not take this serious.
They say this sort of thing to put that mindset in the people who are purchasing the games but don’t know what they’re buying (ie. the moms and dads). There are no instances I can think of where a mobile game has been able to replace the experience I get from a properly developed handheld game (although the notion can’t be reversed IMO).
Someone email this man the latest hardware sales numbers for Nintendo 3DS. How are we supposed to take him seriously when he’s the competition? I swear some people really believe “If you tell a lie enough times, it will become the truth” Well that’s not true. Leave luck to heaven.
Yeah really funny also i think they are friends with that patcher guy lol
You took the words right out of my mouth mr. former governator.
“The ecosystem that they’ve created, it’s just really difficult to justify spending $30 on a game that is anything other than a Mario, a Zelda, a Pokemon. I think that ultimately their ecosystem starts to fall apart.”
1. He’s just jealous that neither him nor the mobile phone gaming market can get/make games of this quality.
2. After about 20 years in the handheld market, Nintendo handhelds are getting evermore popular. Especially in japan where Mario 3d is about to become or if not already is the highest selling 3d Mario title.
^This.
I will NEVER trade my PSP oder 3DS for a silly smartphone. A smartphone is no console and a comparison between both is like trying to compare the pope with the dalai lama…
I want my phone for other things and I don’t wanna get called while playing silent hill.
My support for nintendo is granted and I love to pay $30 for a cartridge that I can hold and the quality they offer and that apple and google do not!
+1
I used to really like what ngmoco was putting out. Then they turned into a “freemium” company and the quality of their games dropped drastically. Now all they tend to put out is Farmville like games (since the last time I checked at least). Personally, I can easily justify a $30 to $40 handheld game versus a “free” game where you run a village or something. I’d love for someone to try and justify spending over $30 for different crops in a game like that.
idk i’ve a lot of nintendo games, but i still buy a lot of 3rd party games for my 3ds.
Do me a favour,stop taking my gravatar and prepanting that you are me please
it’s the gravatar for anonymous people, are you dense or something?
and I fail to see how I’m pretending to be you… or maybe you are you saying you’re the only person who has the right to stay anonymous?
if is that so then why did you take my gravatar on the previous new?
http://mynintendonews.com/2012/08/02/gamestop-reveals-wii-u-launch-line-up/
U said:wiiU’s supporter on August 2, 2012 at 2:54 pm said:
I thought nintendo said super mario bros u wasn’t a launch title?
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i forgot to say that you might be that Aeolus
are you retarded?
this is without doubt the most dumb thing i ever read. also i doubt you have a dick, more like a mangina.
Who gives a shit? Faggot.
get the fuck out retard
lol say what now? that’s the anon gravatar, moron!
This^ for example
prepanting = prior to panting and post-panting?
learn english
my god the stupid is strong with this one…
Gotta love hyperbole…
Here’s some cold hard facts. Angry Birds remains the most successful iOS/Android/whatever game. It’s netted Rovio under $500million in revenue (which is a lot of money to you and me).
That’s Rovio’s total income for the Angry Birds franchise so far, and is a gross anomaly compared to the rest of the games on the various app stores. Nothing else gets remotely close (Infinity Blade bringing in $40million was said to be a humongous success, in comparison).
Nintendo can sell 20million+ copies of NSMB, 20million+ copies of Pokemon, 20million+ copies of Mario Kart, etc, etc.
Taking just one of those franchises at a minimum of 20million sales, that’s $700million in revenue. You’re talking billions of dollars coming in at Nintendo when all is said and done from a handful of games.
That doesn’t sound like a business that is ‘falling apart’ to me.
And yet they (Nintendo) still lost 200 million dollars?
That’s because they’re putting out a lot of money for the wii u launch and marketing campaign, think a little before commenting.
But regarding how much they make on the games, they don’t usually sell 20 million, and make such high revenues, but still, all combined, they tend to make much more money than the guys that made angry birds. By far.
Perfect. lol
HAHAHAHAHA. Way to look at sales figures.
yeah, angry birds will be everything.
angry birds will drive karts, save princess, play sports and become an RPG and FPS. LOLLLL
I am so suprised that it comes from a mobile game developer.. That’s like asking a Polar Bear if the climate in USA is bearable.
i mean, i see how downloads have gone up for cheap or free mobile games, especially with smartphone/tablet ownership going up. it makes sense. but to say that nintendo’s division is falling apart seems a bit premature/fantastical. i enjoy angry birds and some other games, but if i want something with more depth, i buy a console/handheld game. until a mobile company can make something with the depth of a zelda or FF game, they won’t topple any of the console makers. and even if they do make that game for mobile, i can guarantee it won’t be free, or it’ll have ads all over it which would be a deterrent in buying it.
Mombile companies should STFU because no1 is enjoying mobile gaming
incorrect, but the games are monkey shit.
@Anonymoys stfu
i’m not anon, i’m peteriuss.
Mobile gaming is literally HORRIFIC. Even if the games are free they’re still terrible!!!
It’s like going backwards to the early ’80s for gaming, but worse because the controls are so bad. I have a Windows Phone, I used to have an Iphone, I’ve tried loads of the games but without the accuracy of buttons the games become annoying very quickly.
Are people still forgetting that the 3DS, at this point in its lifetime, has sold more than the DS at the same point in its lifetime?
Are they also forgetting that people are definitely willing to pay $30+ dollars for legitimately good game? People like having bigger games. They last longer, and they are (usually) more fun.
End of Discussion.
Yes. Nintendo’s handheld division sure is crumbling after the release of the 3DS XL and New Super Mario Bros. 2.
I mean… 3DS sold 235,974 units, and NSMB2 sold 430,185 units.
Nintendo sure is done for, right?
Foolish Ngmoco….
*Looks up Ngmoco games*
Yeah, I’ve honestly never heard about any of them… Though they obviously make better games than any non-Mario/Zelda/Pokémon Nintendo franchise.
I play a few (very few) games on my iPod touch or Samsung Galaxy Tab, but come on. The 3DS is doing just fine. These arguments have no basis whatsoever.
I am starting to think so…
When Nintendo said something along the lines of “But we offer premium gaming, which comes at a price” I thought it was a justified comment… but then, putting it to the simple Price tags Vs. Game quality, Nintendo is really lying to themselves. Lets take a quick look, shall we? Nintendo is selling Super Mario Land for the price $4.99; a 2D game, very low-end specs by today’s standard, it came out in 1989. Then, alternately, check out the Play Store for anrdroid; GTA3 a game 10 years old, much greater gameplay, graphics, sound and longevity and it has a mere price tag of $2.79.
Nintendo, it’s time to have a think about what you said.
True but maybe bacuse it’s I classic or some thing I guess.
Actually Nintendo is fairly pricing their downloadable games. You’d pay the same price to buy it used. And when they said “But we offer premium gaming, which comes at a price” they meant their actual handheld games, not their downloadable ones from the past.
^This as well as my post below.
But what you don’t see is the other costs. You are only comparing 1 game to another and not everything else involved.
The Play Store is android OS and maintained by Google. GTA 3 is not by Google, it’s by Rock Star. Android OS reaches dozens (maybe hundreds) of devices, between tablets and phones. There is a larger audience since more and more people are getting smart phones. The cost can be shared over the reach of the devices with more potential sales.
The eShop is exclusive to the 3DS (at this point). This service is maintained and owned by Nintendo. There are costs to maintain the service and provide updates. Next, you have the copyrights and everything associated with the game similar to GTA 3. Basically since Nintendo owns and operates the store AND has to provide games for the service that is why they charge $4.99 for NES games along with some Game Boy games.
Gta is weak sauce compared to Mario. Even a 8 bit version is better than gta. The simple fact that rockstar must whore their game out for cheap shows you there worth.
I never even heard of Ngmoco.
Seriously did they pop up overnight?
Ios developer so yeah probably. They end up disappeating in one month
STOP talking about Apple.
Apple has NOTHING to do with games.
£30 on something that is good, lasts a long time and is well developed or nothing-69p on something wank that you’ll play once and then never again…? £30 every time.
this is so stupid. its like comparing riding a bike to driving a car. sure riding a bike is cheaper, but it is nowhere near as good and fast as driving a car. even though the car is more expensive, more people prefer it for transportation over the bike.
Man I wish 3DS games were 30 bucks lol.
Oh yes, that explains the increase in sales of the 3DS thanks to its wide arrangement of games and hardware… seriously… I think this guy is saying that because he works with app games and not full games.
More here today, gone tomorrow nobodies thinking nintendo is past its prime. As a long time fan, I’ve been hearing this BS since about 1995. Times change, but Nintendo always always finds a new path everyone then copies. Nintendo have made some mistakes for sure, but with its IPs and ongoing thrist to fnd the next new experience, they have an insurance policy like no other company.
the fact is mobile gaming is at 1.5 billion dollars and is increasing only by 1 or 2 percent while console gaming is just about to cross 10 billion dollars(aprox) .i have seen media overhyping about mobile gaming and how it is a threat to console gaming but i guess they need education.if they feel that media can spread out false things and let that thing win which they think should or which they are supporting then they will turn into a laughing subject very soon. do you know this guy goddard on whose name NASA goddard space centre is estabilished. he was mocked by new york
times while he was researching on his revolutionary ideas. and then 49 years later after the launch of appollo 11 they appologised even though he was not alive anymore. and today you get this example in many inspirational books and is counted as one of the most inspiring real life example.
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yes, naturally.
I will buy a 800$ phone that can play angry birds over Mario / Zelda / Pokemon?
dream on.
I bet Microshit bought them up and told them to read the note they wrote for them.
Just as they are changing Hotmail right now.
I never liked mobile games and I’ll never will.
I don’t even think of mobile games when I’m outside bored to hell.
I just love that a developer who doesn’t have any games on the top 100 in the App Store’s Top Free or Top Purchased can criticize a side of the industry that they quite frankly have no idea about. Suddenly this guy is an analyst, and knows how Nintendo’s handheld division is going to fall.
iphones and android devices can’t and won’t replace dedicated gaming handhelds
no one buys a smartphone for gaming not to mention the huge disadvantages in power and ergonomics necessary for gaming
I’d hate to tell them, but fart button apps and angry birds do not a great gaming experience make. I have been buying games for gaming systems since the original Atari. My kids both have ipads and ipods. There is virtually nothing in their store that even remotely interests me. Sorry Apple!
Personally I think this is false. However, I would have preferred Luigi’s Mansion: Dark Moon and Paper Mario: Sticker Star on the Wii U.
I duno, i think the 3DS benefits from these games, i mean after i saw them i felt like i needed to buy one haha i love Paper Mario games, and LM looks cool.
Unrelated but seriously look at this
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yes!
the day they make a game where i can play for 3 hours straight or more like i do on my 3ds, that day we will talk.
besides lets see numbers. take any 3ds game for example Resident evil revelations with 600k units sold at 39.99 against one of the biggest ios games like cut the rope with 15M sales at .99
do the math
3ds wins
Haha I just made the same point below. I just looked up to see this lol
I can always justify spending 30 pounds on a game, whether it be Vita or Nintendo 3DS. I’ve done so in the past and will continue to shell out for them. you pay for what you get.
This is coming from someone who buys games for Iphone and for my handheld consoles
Real talk
The day i’ll see a game on android or ios thats comparable to Resident evil revelations is far from here !!! no but seriously, control sucks on smartphones !
I can think of a bunch of 3DS games that people will pay £30.00 or $30.00 for that are not Mario, Pokemon or Zelda like Resident Evil Revelations, Kid Icarus: Uprising and Kingdom Hearts 3D: Dream Drop Distance plus more so his statement is clearly wrong.
I wonder what these mobile developers pay their employees. Seeing as they charge a small amount for their shitty games. Yeah they don’t have to manufacture anything. And not much marketing…but i just don’t see where this market smashing, profit snatching talk is coming from. A million units sold, at 99c….hmm vs a million sold at $30 with a more robust product for your customers. Someone help me
Neil Young is an Idiot and he has no clue!!!
Who is he anyway? Wait, i dont care!!!
I’d say Nintendo is doing very well in the handheld market. They just sold a crap load of NSMB2 3DS games and 3DS XL’s in Japan. The UK sucked, but we still dont know how well it will sell in Austrailia, Germany and the Americas! It could/will probably do very well in other countries. Nintendo dominates the handheld marketplace.
WIIU IS A PIECE OF JUNK
At least spell his name right if youre gona troll -.-‘
“I think that Apple has done a number on Sony,”
No. Nintendo were the ones who competitively priced the 3DS to screw Sony. Not Apple, Nintendo.
“and Apple and Android are now doing a number on Nintendo.”
And failing
“What they’re really doing is defeating the Nintendo hardware machine.”
When it’s more successful than a machine created before Apple and Android were popular? Course.
“The ecosystem that they’ve created, it’s just really difficult to justify spending $30 on a game that is anything other than a Mario, a Zelda, a Pokemon.”
Can you justify spending $1 on a game you’ll only ever play for 10 minutes? At that value, you’ll only need to play a 3DS game for 5 hours before it becomes more justified than a phone game. And that’s not a lot of time.
“I think that ultimately their ecosystem starts to fall apart.”
Key word. Think. Yeah, think. That relies on personal opinion, and the previous things I’ve said totally destroy that thought anyway.
Evidently I forgot to change my name back.
That’s what you want, not what it is.
While it is a half truth that mobile devices have a larger base of “games” the thing they cannot do is create an experience like zelda or mario.
However much we all like mobile games/nintendo games, I think this is statistically right and I too only spend the money on good nintendo brand games such as zelda and pokemon. Mobile games are often bad quality but a lot of 3ds games are crap too, and they are expensive as well.
Oh here we go again, more mobile, ios companies. Seriously, fuck off -.-
The smartphone & dedicated portable gaming devices are two different markets. If anyone’s handheld division is collapsing is no other than Sony’s. Statistically, the Nintendo 3DS is doing a lot well than anything else in the gaming market. I wish I can say the same about the Vita in which it’s faltering in the market right now for two major reasons:
1. The system is overpriced and there are no games for it. Sadly, the Vita will NOT get a price cut anytime soon, because any dummy knows that Sony is all about money anyway.
2. There are two versions of the console: the Wi-Fi & 3G model. Why release two versions of the same system at launch? I understand Sony is trying to take gaming a little further besides being at location with a wi-fi hotspot, but 3G is terrible for online gaming, let along, surfing online via a cellular device, especially if anyone has a high-end smartphone that has 3G service. In other words, if you use it too much, data speeds can slow down no matter what wireless provider you are with if you use too much bandwidth.
Recently, New Super Mario Bros. 2 have left the shelves in less than a week right after it was launched in Japan. It is also worth mentioning that the 3DS XL has gone off of the shelves since day 1 of the launch in Japan. We also have to see that Kingdom Hearts Triple-D was also one of the 3DS’s killer apps. So the dude’s statement is far from true that Nintendo’s handheld division is disbanding. Besides, there are a lot of games worth playing on the Nintendo 3DS eShop rather than seeing crap on the App Store & Google Play. Besides, Angry Birds is also making its way to the 3DS as well.
the best combo for next gent will be wii U + PC, sure
The games may cost $30, but the console doesn’t cost $250-$500. Plus the iOS and android apps certainly don’t have enough work put into them to make them worth $30.
Wow. Whoever wrote this is retarded. Appleand Google have NOTHING. Nintendo is the king of handhelds. Only a fool would buy a shit game like Angry Birds over a Mario or Zelda title. Pokemon is the one of the best selling handhelds to date, starting way back in 1996. Owning an iPhone or Android and playing those half-assed games does not make you a gamer. This article is a joke.
In order for Nintendo’s Handheld division to fall apart, it has to not sell well as money is what sustains it. The 3DS is selling remarkably well. I’d say it’s firmly nestled in with more promising gaming experiences to come.
I hate when people say that, sure, personally I dont buy Nintendo games unless they’re some sort of Nintendo original like Mario, Zelda, animal crossing, metriod… But iOS and android OS just can’t compare to Full 30+ hour long games on 3ds as well as the fact that a circle and d pad as well as 4 physical a,b,x and y buttons plus the 2 shoulder buttons are way easier and more enjoyable to use than a touch screen.
People buy Handheld games for an experience, one that can’t be provided on the iOS, Android, and Samsung devices.
I’m sick and tired of everyone saying, “Nintendo is going to fall apart,” or, “Sony’s Vita is Failing.” (Which, unfortunately, is in a bad spot right now.)
If both companies put time into the device, give it enough games/software to keep it alive, make a profit off of their product, and everyone who bought the product is happy with it, THEN WHO THE HELL CARES WHO IS SELLING BETTER, THAN WHO?
I’m also really irritated by iOS and Android Game Developers who think they know how the Handheld and Console market is handled, and can judge whether Sony, or Nintendo, are going to fall.
I’m pretty sure plenty of non nintendo games have sold well so this retard is spewing out nonsense.
Phones have come and gone, but I will always love my Super Nintendo.
Neil Young, go sit some where and suck you big toe little baby. You are still wet behind your ears. hahahahahahahahahahaha this guy makes Pachter look like a genius. Might be his nephew.
Pfft… yeah… right, Neil Young. And I’m the president of Oompa Loompa Land. Nintendo doesn’t compete with iOS and Android. Both companies are not on the same level as the Big N.
this isn’t happening anytime soon tbh
Well of coarse he’s saying this, he’s a developer for android and ios. But the thing is, that nintendo is not going to lose against smartphone gaming. These free to play games arre never going to be full games, they are going to be 5 minute time wasters. Games with depth like resident evil revelations, kid icarus, pokemon, mario,zelda, metroid can never be beaten by free or 99 cent games! Same goes with sony if the vita ever picks up in sales, no phone will evr create a console like experience game wise and control wise. Its just not happening unless they delibrately make their own handhelds which I doubt very much, so you mister ios developer in denial, can have fun on your buttonless phone carressing your single touch screen, while we the true gamers play on our 3DS’s and our Vitas! Getting our 30+ dollars worth out of the REAL games that we buy.
I can’t justify spending 5 bucks in a game like Angry Birds. Poor gamer, poor mind. It’s idiot think that those kind of games could be even compared with games like Zelda or Mario.
I would rather spend 30$ on a NSMB2 then on 30 .99ct games. seriously, i would enjoy 1 level of nsmb2 more than all 30 of those .99 ct games combined.
It is true that $40 is overpriced for 3DS games that aren’t that good compared to high quality first party games that really should cost $40.
I miss the days when you could buy a lot of good games because they’re so cheap. I could go to the store and buy Super Mario Sunshine, Paper Mario TTYD, and Pokemon Colosseum for under $70. Now games like this would cost +$150.
The only real improvement from then and now are better graphics, 3D, and newer controls.
Are games really getting this expensive to make? The prices have doubled in the past ten to fifteen years.
Yes. In 1995, consoles were only around the 64 bit standard, and games were only developed by small groups of up to 50ish people. Polygon counts were also low and games were a LOT shorter. Nowadays, the consoles operate at (from what I understand) over twice the bit count as 15 years ago. Polygons are excessively higher in amount – you can notice a HUGE difference in Galaxy 2 as opposed to Mario 64. Games nowadays are about twice as long and the standard is much higher. There’s more developers and overall going to be a lot more challenges in the development in games.
In short, Yes, games really are getting this expensive to make, but they come at a higher value for money than they used to.
The stupidity of this statement actually amuses me.
“May take a piece of the piece”? Uhm, it already HAS done so.
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yeah but i meant a significant piece. Their is overlap in the markets so ofcourse its gonna have some kind of affect. My comment was never meant to presume it hasnt done anything yet. i think that was given. so you trying to flip it into a point to rebuttal just makes you look foolish.
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You heard it from EA’s mouth if you’ve watched their livestream. They’re number 1 on iOS, because there’s a huge market for games on there. They’re also coming out with 40 freaking F2P games on the platform, you honestly think they’re doing that for nothing? Can Nintendo brag about a software maker on their platform doing that? NO.
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since when has quantity become more important than quality? 40 “freaking” games…who cares?
also, have you seen these games? just look at dead space or fight night. These games are shells of their former selves. Like i said before. There are certain experiences that just cant be replicated on android or ios devices.
does ea have games that would much more suit ios over consoles? yes. like the sims. It even has some simpler games that can be replicated on ios. like nba jam; that one looks like it was ported over all right.
But the only games that will be done just as well as they could on console are going to be the simpler games; games that are either offered or should have been offered as digital only releases.
Their is an premium experience i am willing to pay for. That is why i buy videogame dedicated devices. There will always be a market for gamers who take their games a bit more seriously.
I dont care if ea is bringing 40 games to ios. Because i already know that they wont provide the experience im looking for.
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Open your eyes, dude–handheld gaming is on its LAST LEGS.
Also, 3DS games aren’t even all that better, they’re literally the same kind of shovelware you’ll find on mobile just with physical controls. I’m not even kidding, so don’t try to make it seem like 3DS games are that much better when the majority aren’t.
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tell that to nintendo who just sold who knows how many units of the 3dsxl.
people obviously have a reason to purchase the 3ds. Whether it be a new mario game, resident evil, streetfighter, monster hunter, or kingdom hearts (which is currently selling better than new super mario bros on amazon)
im not saying that the majority of games are tripleA titles on the 3ds. And yeah, there is a lot of shovelware on the system. But nobody is forcing you to buy those games. As grossly overpriced as they are on handheld systems. Nobody is making you buy them. And they are there because handhelds were considered the only legitimate shop in town. Thanks to the mobile market growth, that is no longer the case. So expect to see a decline in those type of titles on handheld systems or at least move over to digital only releases (and likely cheaper as a result).
so far, the mobile market has not taken a chunk out of nintendo. Yeah, they are getting a piece of the market, but for now not enough to really hurt nintendo. The mobile market will eventually be in a position where it can do serious damage to nintendo’s business. But do you really think nintendo wont react? Especially now that they are starting to offer full retail games as downloads. You think that nintendo wont be dropping prices when they need to?
The 3ds could probably ride out the mobile storm. And any future nintendo handheld could very well end up digital download only. and that means cheaper games.
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If you think N.O.V.A 3 or Infinity blade–ignoring the control limitations aren’t “sophisticated”, you are merely fooling yourself.
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havent played nova 3 and the graphics are great. It otherwise looks like a standard shooter, with less happening on screen, and less enemies in terms of amount on screen and variety of enemy types. It may be a great fps for its price. But i’ve never thought much of fps’s in general, not my cup of tea. so at the end of the day, its just a pretty game to me.
infinity blade i have played. and it is garbage. again….a very pretty game….but decidedly shallow in terms of gameplay and scope.
btw..when i say handhelds and consoles can provide a sophisticated experience, .i mean in terms of scope and depth. i dont mean graphic bells and whistles. not saying handhelds dont have crappy games, but they also have games that meet my personal standards for real games i would care to invest my money and time into….which i have yet to be able to say about any mobile game
sadly this is true. But I will always want to play zelda and metroid games. the rest of the games nintendo makes now are total crap.
“Ngmoco CEO ”
mobile casual nothing to see here
“Apple and Android are now doing a number on Nintendo.””
Oh, so thats why the XL sold 200k in 2 days in japan, where they are dying>
“Extrapolating from trends in Japan, where mobile has far outstripped traditional console games to take the lion’s share of industry profits”
3ds has been the number 1 selling platform in japan since last june, 3ds is going away in japan huh?
the guy is a baffoon
Its another example of an insecure mobile guy trying to take a shot at the big dog on the block
first of all his games are ****
hahahahahaha-
Wait, are they serious??
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
silly little troll. once again you try to bash Nintendo, when the only reason your business still lives is because your games cant be returned. let the digital downloads burn, and bring back the age of physical copies
I’ve never had pay for a mobile game, not even 1 cent. I don’t even like the majority of the games they have for IOS or android. I’m stick with the good old game companies like Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft (a bit).
When Apple sells 200,000+ iPhones in two days for a Ngmoco game you let me know
Aeolus on August 3, 2012 at 5:44 am said:
You say that, and don’t even try to prove it wrong. Because you’re a fucking idiot who can’t.
Look all around you, all of this support major companies do for smartphones over traditional handhelds like Nintendo’s. Because they don’t make profits off of that platform, the money is gained on MOBILE.
Deal with it, facts are facts, no amount of “touch screen this” is going to change that, dipshits.
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yeah, ofcourse there is great support for the mobile market.
why wouldnt they? a market in which you can throw together some c-list development team to make a game and likely still make profit.
nobody is denying the appeal of the market. Just that although there is a decent amount of overlap in the mobile market and the dedicated handheld market, it wont change the demand for more ambitious gaming experiences.
The mobile market isnt there yet. And considering the pricing of the market. It will never get there. Because the whole point is to give you something good, but ultimately disposable. You will never get an Uncharted…or a Darksiders…or even a Zelda like experience from mobile games. They may be able to reach the same league graphically. But the wont have the ambition, depth, or scope in gameplay, story and mechanics to provide the experience dedicated gaming markets are able to produce.
there will always be a demand for something more than resources allocated to games released in the mobile market are able to produce. Whatever the size of the overall gaming market nintendo owns now or in the future; there will be a place for whatever hardware they put out regardless of much support there is behind a market in which games significantly cheaper because of the shallowness of their scope.
I have a legitament question for Aeolus; what is your definition of a hardcore gamer?
It’s so easy to say that when you aren’t working with them, isn’t it Ngmoco?
At nearly their best, mobile games are worse than $5 shovelware. The few $12 titles that are any good are all ports of 5-15 year old handheld games.
When you think that Wii U and Vita are the dumbest names around; you come across companies that manage to shatter that image with much stupider sounding names like “ngmoco”
As a smart phone owner I have never paid for a single game/app on my phone and I have bought 6 3DS games and about 15 DS games. PWND.
I am so tired of these articles, where direct competitors say that Nintendo is failing. Of course they would say that!
lol I hate gaming on my phone and I’d be getting more software if I wasn’t being charged $70 a game.
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