Slightly Mad Studios have been incredibly quiet regarding the Wii U version of the long-awaited Project CARS. Now studio head Ian Bell has revealed that the company is having some serious problems bringing the racing simulator to the Wii U. Things are so bad that they are having problems achieving a consistent 720p, 30fps. Bell says that the team are having so many problems that they’re considering waiting for Nintendo to announce the NX and bring it to that platform, but we’ve already heard that Nintendo president Satoru Iwata has said that they won’t be talking about the platform until next year.
“I can’t say too much but we’re awaiting E3 with baited breath. Don’t read wrongly into that… OK I’ll come clean. At the moment we’re running at about 23FPS on the WiiU. We’re awaiting/hoping for more of a hardware announcement at E3…”
“Honestly, unless we really cut the looks back I think we’re looking to Nintendo’s next console. 720p yes. I suppose if they don’t announce something at E3 or soon after we will have a go at it.”
“We could reach a fairly solid 30FPS but it might take a hell of a lot of work. On the other hand, about halfway through us finishing, Nintendo might announce a new console (I have zero knowledge on this BTW but I’ve heard ‘rumours’). Our work might just be the best thing that ever hit that new console in the driving sim genre.”
“So we’re playing a waiting game at the moment and yes, economics do come in to it.”
yay for the poll on the official site where most people told them they would buy it on wii u.
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Yup
Hence why they’re still trying….
Spoiler alert. NX won’t be as powerful as the PS4
Spoiler Alert. The PS4 isn’t as powerful as my nearly 4 year old PC.
Specs plz?
I’m sure he won’t reply and even he does, it’ll be a significantly more expensive (at the time) package, making him sound pretty stupid.
if*
I would have bought it for Wii-U. I’ll wait for gran tourismo on my PS4. Sorry, project cars.
Exactly. I remember clearly that last time they published the pool it was, like, 60% of people wanted that game on WiiU. That´s a big letdown and a big dissapointment. They could just cut visual details and release the game because there is surely a good audience for it on the WiiU. I have the feeling that this game may well bomb on other platforms
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Gsq1O42OgM
Reminds me how Nintendo fanboys like this guy were lying about the footage years ago and dogpiled me for calling it out in the comments.
Pathetic. :P
And what happens if the NX is a handheld?
Then they would all enforce a company wide face palm as to making a wrong assumtion.
*assumption. Not assumtion.
Well you know what they say about assuming, it makes an ass out u and me.
Or make it an handheld game if the nx is powerful enough
Well, they said that if Nintendo doesn’t announce a new console this year, they’re still going to try to bring the game to Wii U, just a little bit cut back.
Lol. Lol. Lol. Lol. Lol.
Then what’s the point. The NX is coming out in about 2 and a Half Years at least.
However, if it’s a launch title and a the superior version, then sure. It would be a guarantee a 3rd Party game for the NX.
Better graphics won’t save a two year old racing game. And Nintendo fans will be pissed they didn’t get it on the u like they promised. Whether the fans are right or wrong, that will be the outcome.
Yeah they would be better off releasing a sequel or a NX special edition version with exclusive DLC and features, I don’t think any Nintendo fan will buy a game for their NX platform that’s already old when they can play on other consoles that will most likely be cheaper than the NX
It would be Deux Ex, Batman, Need for Speed, Darksiders, and Mass Effect all over again.
Exactly. Then they’ll bitch about how we didn’t “support” them. Just like EA, Square Enix, & EA did. Darksiders gets a pass because their developers went under so they didn’t really have the chance to blame us as they were focusing on bigger problems than just one port of one game selling bad on a new console.
Oops. I said EA twice. lol Well they are douchebags so they get to be mentioned twice.
haha
Valkyria Chronicles became a best seller when it came to the PC; The Last of Us still sold units on the PS4 despite having a PS3 release… If these two points aren’t proof that old games can’t sell well, then I don’t know what is.
Exactly lol
And what are the chances that there will be another similar game better than CARS or if this gets canceled anyway? It’s all a huge waste of time and now they’re next in line to make such pitiful excuse to skip Wii U just like everybody else does. Now when NX comes, their isn’t gonna be any third party support from the fans because almost all of them have destroyed that relationship so no fan is gonna buy their shit anymore.
It isn’t the developers you idiot. They have been trying to develop the game on the wiiu for longer than the ps4 and xbone. The wiiu just can’t handle it. There is no wiiu game, not one, that comes even close to looking as good as project cars. You literally can’t name one .
Fast Racing Neo, using 4K textures nice try, now hush up.
I find it funny you think that’s supposed to mean anything. Not to mention that game only has a few photos so far. Not to mention it’s 720/60
Oh and guess what? Okami HD is downsampled from 4K on the PS3/360, still means nothing.
I will laugh if Fast Racing Neo turns out to be bland as hell. Everyone bragging about it off like one photo like it’s gonna be the best racing game ever. Fans talk about that game more than the developers. I totally forgot about that game for a while cause nothing’s been said over the last year at all pretty much.
Bullshit. Then explain how the PC’s NFS Hot Pursuit was ported over with ease? Project Cars is not even that good looking. In fact, Real Racing 2/3 looks just as similar and good that even the 3DS can run it. There’s no excuse at all so cut the crap. Laziness is the cause of this and their transparently weak ass lie isn’t fooling me but the stupid like you.
That’s Most Wanted. Not Hot Pursuit. Also “In fact, Real Racing 2/3 looks just as similar and good that even the 3DS can run it.” No. Not even close…
Oh. lol
Umm, can’t the new 3DS run that kind of game?
Mario Kart 8, there.
Which looks jaggy as hell and no better than similar last gen racers.
It does look jaggy as hell… when you are only watching Youtube videos of people posting their highlight reels after doing a race. So I wonder if you actually even play the game on the Wii U? And which Aeolus are you? There are so many of you it’s hard to take some of you guys seriously. Least some of you are funny.
I have the fucking game. It’s a jaggy piece of shit with no AA, that’s not opinion; it’s a FACT.
Then you have a horrible TV because it looks perfectly fine on my Toshiba HDTV. *shrug* Whatever. It’s your opinion, Aeolus #5 hundred & something.
I like how verifiable facts mean I have a horrible TV. Game is jaggy and it’s ugly, stop blowjobbing Nintendo.
Looks beautiful to me.
Here’s a quote from Digital Foundry: “Art design is terrific but I am a little disappointed that the game has no anti-aliasing at all, not even a little post- process AA.” You are wrong. Aeolus was stating a fact.
I was actually referring to his belief that the game is ugly. I don’t even know exactly what anti-aliasing even is. lol
“They have been trying to develop the game on the wiiu for longer than the ps4 and xbone.”
All the more reason they should already have finished the Wii U version, or that there would be few hurdles. Slightly Mad Studios did set a Wii U version as a goal, which was crowd-funded, & devving supposedly began @ some point & before the PS4 & X1 versions. Also, SMS had planned ports for PS3 & 360, so 8th gen power beyond Wii U (@ most 1 core), was a non-issue.
Leads me to believe that SMS failed to research Wii U but went ahead & made it a goal anyway. & after all that heroic talk about providing Nintendo fans w/ a Racing Sim… But I’m also inclined to think Namco mucked up their plans (for the sake of quicker & easier profits, of course).
Meh. I’d rather Namco release a new Ridge Racer for Wii U; I much prefer Arcade Racers (& Kart Racers) anyway. Looks like Fast Racing Neo, The 90’s Arcade Racer, maybe Aqua Moto Racing Utopi, & MK8 DLC will have to suffice for home-console this gen. (MK7 & Ridge Racer 3D for handheld).
Was Star Wave Race: Evolution for Wii U from Retro Studios ever real?
That´s bullshit. They´ve been working with the WiiU version for longer than the others (the initial project was only for WiiU and PC, by the way). They could just cut some graphic details and that would be ok. That´s a poor excuse to negligect the highest demanding audience of their own game – remember their pools
Yes, because that’s all anyone cares about. How good a game looks. I’m so excited for Angry Birds 4k….NOT!
U craft lol
Shh! You can’t use that game to show that developers can be blamed! It’s just a clone of another game! *sarcasm* lol Sarcasm because let’s face it, Project CARS isn’t exactly an original game itself.
Haha sarcasm within my sarcasm. Inception.
What shitty optimization have they done to have this game run at 720p/23fps?
We know what the Wii U hardware is capable of, this is just ridiculous.
True, if developers like Shin En have managed to develop game (using only one of WiiU´s cores) and engine for the damn system, these devs have no fucking excuses to make other than that they suck as a developers.
Plus Shin’ en only has 10 employees. I am never buying this game ever.
You know what, how about buying another console and enjoy some other games at the same time? Just sayin’…
how about i dont want another console?
Love your name lol takes me back to Howard Lincoln revealing project dolphin.
I love Revolution reveal more, i just love how Iwata came to stage telling people straight how “specs of the system really dont matter anymore”, it was one hell of an epic thing Nintendo has ever done imo. The way it sounds, it was Nintendo being confident, maybe more confident than ever. Im not big Wii fan though, its probably my least favorite Nintendo home console but darn its announcement as a Revolution and how specs dont matter was fucking amazing…
I wish they would have been as confident with Cafe/WiiU when they revealed it, because imo its one of the best Nintendo homeconsoles (little below SNES and Gamecube).
The wiiu can run it perfectly is just that working on 2 carbon copy console have emptied they morale.
Are you fucking kidding me? You are comparing a simple game like nano assault to project cars? They don’t even come close to comparison in terms of graphics or CPU needed. ANOTHER BRAIN DEAD NINTENDRONE HERE.
Fast Racing Neo, not Nano Assault Neo.
They got to confortable with the PS4 and Xbox One have a similar architecture, they didn’t fucking learn the Wii U to it’s fullest, so it’s their own damn fault. If they paid attention to their own poll about Wii U being the most wanted version and actually worked on it and made no PS4 and Xbox One version then they would have achieved what the wanted to begin with. But they copped out as so many devs do.
Um… no you don’t know what the Wii U is capable of. Try getting into the developers program and then you will know, but until you are in you have a limited knowledge based on 3rd hand guesses. I’m actually in it, but am under NDA so you won’t be getting details from me.
Capable of Mario kart? Obviously you have no idea what project cars looks like. Nintendo can hide its basic graphics in the kiddie cartoon colors and designs. It is so pathetic that you kids that no nothing about specs or programming keep blaming third parties. Blame the console and move on you sheep!
It’s called artistic design and I see no reason for any game dev to not learn how that realism is but one of many styles of art. What is important is the flow and feel of the game and if Mario Kart can achieve that with it’s simple design bursting to the seams with detail, then Project Cars certainly could with its big details simplified a bit as the courses themselves seem rather barren from the vids so far. Learning how to cut corners to achieve what you want is a staple of a good artist.
That’s not so bad given that the Wii U has 1/3rd of the power of the XBone.
Yes we do know what it’s capable of; 7th gen visuals. Not 8th gen. This is an 8th gen-only game, there’s nothing to discuss here.
This is hilarious, they want to wait for a new console that they know absolutely nothing about, which won’t see the light of day until 2017/18?
This game was effectively dead when Namco announced the Wii U delay, why they had to string people along all this time I have no idea?
You have an awesome name.
Thanx,
Sounds like some sort of fucking slang to me. Here’s an example ” I wonna fuck your peanut butter with my kit kat.”
Oh my. I don’t know how to respond to that…
You don’t……
IT DIDNT EXIST IN THE FIRST PLACE AND WIIU CAN EASY RUN A DARN RACER
LIKE I SAID IT NEVER EXISTED FULL STOP
No loss, It’s shit with a controller anyway! Stick with mario kart, much more FUN
IIRC, the game was going to be WiiU/PC exclusive at first, right? And all of a sudden they have a lot of trouble to get the game running on it, I don’t know who to believe in now…
Damn. “Project cars is basically dead for Wii u” Such a fucking dramatic way of saying it.
Yeah isn’t it, but at the same time it kinda sums the whole mess up don’t you think? I think it should be common sense by now…
>>>And then they call me delusional, this is further proof of the infidelic corruption that has been going on since even before the Wii U was released, you’ll all fall anyway, the empire can way for your inevitable ruin>>>
ANyway the xbox one version sucks. so it’s not a big deal.
>>>Well finally some good news at least>>>
This is the way of thinking that makes nintendo/sony/microsoft fans sounds like stupids: “well at least their game sucks *derp* *derp* *blerp*”
Enjoy your console and let me enjoy mine you fucking *sshol*.
When people wished that bayonetta were awfull you call them all butthurts so… I guess you are a butthurt too : )
Stop being so nazis. This site is to talk about nintendo and enjoying nintendo not about how better or worse are the other consoles.
Grew up bunch of fanboys.
>>>Silence Xbot, anything related to Xbox failure is a wonderful thing>>>
I dont have an xbox… I play mostly on my wiiu, new3ds and ps4 but before i had a gamecube and a xbox (original) i just play what i like and i dont insult those who dont play wjat i like so fuck you nazi scum. I’m going to leave this fucking diseased web forever.
Enjoy your fanboy’s hole retards
>>>No one cares, go back to Xbot Live>>>
Nooooooooo! We’ve lost onr.; someone actually intelligent! D:
*one
Can you get me some ketamine before you leave?
Xbox failure? Last I check it’s still beating Wii U in sales.
Shsss, dont tell hem or he’ll never shut up.
So is PS4 and both have no games, so it’s a trade off, buy whats “cool and hip” like the PS4 but have no games besides Bloodborne, or buy an Xbox One cause…well nobody really knows…brainwashing is a theory…while the Wii U has the best games of the 8th gen and nobody wants it. So you either pick a console that has console sales but no games, or low console sales but has the games…
Games or not, I’m talking about what he said about “failure” which Xbox One is not. It has some good 3rd parties and indies. Shadow of Mordor, Dragon Age Inquision, Life is Strange, a 1st party of Sunset Overdrive, Batman is coming out which can be game of the year.
If they have no games, what have I been playing on my PS4 this whole time? It was all just a dream then, huh? Let me guess, you’re one of those people that ignore the games on both platforms because you can get them on PC, right? Once again, Nintendo fanboys hiding behind PC gaming.
i have no idea what your playing then cuz the ps4 really has NO games the only one that’s actually good and not a remake is bloodborn
Ok, tell me this then. What new games have you been playing recently on? And NO you cannot tell me a game that you played on your PC. I wanna hear what you’ve been up to on your WII U. Let’s leave other platforms out of this for a second. I’m curious.
Yeah, XBOX ONE sucks in most ways actually…but the game is awesome nonetheless.
PS4, Windows & SteamOS rocks in that perspective.
I bet BandaiNamco is the one most responsible for this, when they came along, these devs basically stopped acknowledging WiiU versions and when they did acknowledge it, they said stuff like “it looks good” “day and weather engine runs great on WiiU” fucking liars.
>>>They have been suspicious for a long time now for backstabbing>>>
My thought exactly. The devs were praising the Wii U initially until Bandai-Namco came. They probaby had a discussion and when the deal was made the PS4/XBO/PC version became the priority.
I wonder how the people who supported having it on the Wii U during crowd funding feel.
Another game off my wish list.
PC version was delayed also well (Steam) version anyway. Both Wii U and PC took the hit.
>>>PC Master Race and Nintendite Alliance shall be created>>>
The PC Nintendo Master Alliance
So Nintendo NX is a new Nintendo PC?!?!?! :p
>>>No?>>>
lol it was a joke
Um you are fucking delusional don’t deny it.
>>>I didn’t command you for your opinion boy>>>
Execpt my opinion is a fucking fact. So Shut your shit.
>>>Your opinion means nothing, only the empire’s matters>>>
Then why don’t you ever listen to me?
>>>You are part of the rebel alliance and a nuisance>>>
You already know!
I am the fucking empire
>>>You don’t even know the most basic things, you can’t even become a Field Leader at this point>>>
Shut it bitch. You don’t know what the hell I am capable of.
Funny but it doesn’t justify how boss i am over you. You lose.
>>>You’re the boss of imbeciles, nothing else>>>
You are the Tetrearch of Butt pirates, nothing else.
*You fucking lose.
Reading the comments on this blog is my interpretation of “having-a-laugh”, like really!
Nice to know. now scram bitch.
He thinks hes a robot for a “Nintendo” empire.
I think he has autism.
I knew this would happen.
So much for “superior experience”.
they apparantly were using unity tools to BODGE pc code to wiiu
instead of just coding the darn console currectly LAZY AND THE PUBLISHER IS NINTENDO HATING
how anyone ever thought this game was coming makes me head in hands, third partys are shit scared and jelous of nintendo
the mass hatred is funny as fuck there all going to pretend to want to support nx then when nx arrives pull support THE SAME MERRY GO ROUND every time
whilst they continue to go broke the industry continues to shrink ad nintendo marches on
Where’s your evidence bitch? Or are you just a fanatic slinging accusations around?
yet nintendo had no issue with mk8 at a solid 60 it has nothing to do with power
the publisher simply pulled a nintendo version
That’s because Cell shading is cheap, while somewhat realistic shaders are not (and there’s usually more of them).
Mario Kart 8 is 100% soft-shaded and bursting at the seams with detail.
…So cell shade the game and call it a day?
that’s when u know u havent played MK8 its not cell shaded bro XD
Stopped caring months ago
Plus mk8 is still the funnest racing game out.
Nice, empty promises from 3rd party developer again regarding Nintendo and their system…..
They were asking funding for WiiU and Pc version FIRST! So yeah nice way ripping off WiiU consumers…..
Honestly i wouldnt be surprised if BandaiNamco screwed this game getting WiiU version, ever since they came along WiiU version was less and less acknowledged by the devs.
Oh and if WiiU is fucking hard to develop for, then go and ask from Shin´En some guidance, atleast company of 5 persons know how to develop for the system, fuck they even made engine for WiiU, 5 people and then these bigger companies dare to struggle utilizing WiiU……
And best of luck to these devs for waiting NX announcement at this years E3 when Nintendo is showcasing WiiU key titles like StarFox, yeah tehy sure wanna overshadow WiiU now with new system just to please uncapable developers.
Fuck, the truth is they are lazy to develop using the PPC instead of X86 architecture which the clone systems use.
Lesson learned: NEVER support any third party kickstarter promising “exclusive” games. Look at when Nexis exposed themselves when they announced that trash Minecraft ripoff to be a multi platform after Kickstarter failed meaning it was a con from the beginning because if multi platform was possible without it, why ask for Kickstarter funds?
Now the third parties can no longer be trusted by Nintendo fans and when NX comes and becomes so incredible in everyone’s eyes, most of the sane fans still won’t forget all of the BS they’ve pulled and will not welcome them back for anything. Third parties have basically destroyed that relationship by taking advantage of the fanbase through lies on top of more lies.
Crowd funding has always been such a bullshit, its just developers making big promises in order to fill their pockets. If there would be any justice then they should atleast give money for those back who funded for the WiiU version, but they wont do that because they didnt care at the first place.
Did they even investigate what kinda hardware WiiU uses before making their promise of the game for the system? Sounds like they didnt even know what WiiU had inside LOL they probably assumed its another x86 system.
They will refund when the outcry happens.
Yeah, i agree with you. They have lost my trust. And what worse is that they lied to Wii U fans who donate into their game. They already stated on early kickstarter that this will be release on Wii U but it’s a shame they not fulfill their promise. They should refund all the backers who wants Wii U copy. I hate developer who acted like this.
Anyway, this game is average. Not something to be praise highly of. Because of the lies, I’m not buying this game on any platform bwahahhaah.
If not, they will likely face an uproar and lawsuit.
Lolololol soooo much damage control. When it was a wiiu exclusive all of you praised the game. “These devs are smart, look at what the wiiu can do, this game looks great!” Now all of you will say anything to make yourself feel better. Pathetic cognitive dissonance at its best. Mario kart is fucking luck and has very limited customization. Some people actually enjoy a realistic, complex racing game. you wouldn’t understand since it is for the big boys ;)
The lesson is NEVER SUPPORT CROWFUNDING EVER.
Look At Mighty No.9, first the gigantic controversy with that Dina bitch and then the crap demo.
At this point the only crowfunded thing I care about is Yooka Laylee and I won’t donate a cent, I’ll buy it when it comes out and if it is good enough.
The only game I donated for was Shantae: Half Genie Hero
I really wanted to as well, but I was too late. It’s already funded. -_-
I complained it was a fraudulent transaction and got it back; from Mighty No. 9 after I heard they were gonna let Capcom touch it which pissed me off.
It didn’t come out on PS3 or Xbox 360 either. Those were among the systems originally intended to run the game alongside PC.
It was originally PC, Wii U, 360 and PS3, though PS3 and 360 were quickly dismissed and Wii U and PC was the only versions being made, then after a year they chose to bring PS4 and Xbox One into the mix and when Namco showed up suddenly PS4 and Xbox One got all the attention.
And nothing of value was lost. WiiU already has the best racing game, don’t see the big deal of some game made by a guy who orgasms over the E3 stage over how good the cars look.
The big issue is that a lot of the people who funded the project did so with the specific interest of buying a Wii U version and now they’re getting shafted, it’s nothing short of a scam.
Yep it’s a slap in the face for the people/gamers that wanted it on the Wii U
See that’s the issue with the gaming industry focusing on realistic art styles. I mean I have never played a racing game in my life that looked as beautiful as Mario Kart 8. In 1 and 2 player mode, the game runs at 1080P 60fps. Less demanding game than an ultra realistic racing simulator like Project Cars? Of course! I think Project Cars is a bit exceptional though since I actually think the game looks better than how it would look like in the real world. lol
Still though I’m not a resolution and frame rate guy (although a solid fps is awesome) but imagine how many games would run at a constant 1080p 60fps if the gaming industry favored more unique art styles. The leaps would be a lot better too!
Another great looking racing sim is Forza but the leap between the latest 360 one and the one on X-Box One was not that intense (noticeable of course but nothing major). Now compare Mario Kart Wii to Mario Kart 8 and ummm….yeah, nuff said! lol
Wii to Wii U was a much bigger jump though so it’s not as impressive. Nintendo gimped on power last gen and this gen, that’s why it seems impressive. Going from non HD to HD is of course gonna be a bigger difference.
Want a great looking racing game, DC.
Wii U in Nintendo’s first HD console. You can’t compare the jump from Wii to Wii U with Xbox 360 to Xbox One. Original Xbox to Xbox 360 would probably be more along the lines of a “proper” comparison.
I don’t think either comparison is proper considering the Wii was at least twice as powerful as the GameCube, which was already way superior to PS2 and on relatively on par with XB.
What’s happening here is that Nintendo had a nice pattern going, just making their consoles about twice as powerful as the previous one in order to preserve their relative affordability, but then Sony and Microsoft came along and started transforming people into performance whores; and this business model is not doing any favors to the industry, the constant promotion of the idea that better specs make better gaming is what caused the ultimate demise of the PSV in face of the 3DS and mobile devices, it’s becoming too expensive to make the games these companies keep telling everyone are better and with each passing year less and less development studios have enough money to risk making even a download title, creating droughts and consumer unrest.
I enjoy Wii U with all the HD and applications but I don’t like to see Nintendo rushing into things that our economy is not ready for, but they have no choice.
Um let’s take it a step back, since you want to bring up history. Sony & Sega came out with PS1 & Sega Saturn, 32 Bit systems. What did Nintendo come out with? Nintendo 64, which was twice the amount of bits compared to those, and FOUR TIMES that of SNES. So. Tell me again about these other companies pushing for more power? And nintendo only doubling each gen?
They do realize that the NX isn’t replacing the Wii U it’s just a add on to it it’s more then likely a upgrade to the system from what am hearing
The Nintendo NX is the next generation of gaming from Nintendo. Nintendo wants to make sure that gamers don’t think that the NX is replacing the Wii U as it could worsen Wii U sales even more. I have a feeling you know this but after Nintendo showed their mobile plans, they said they were working on the “next gen platform” to ease consumer who might think Nintendo is quitting the hardware business.
That’s what they say to keep Wii U from looking like it’s already outdated, which it is. All of the VC and eShop content (including Wii U games) you’ve seen here will be on the next system meaning it’s replacing it regardless. Nintendo only say it’s not to keep Wii U afloat for a little longer which is not much of any help.
Dude all of these current gen consoles are outdated. Just go read about how 3rd party developers are saying that they have already maxed out the graphical capabilities of the PS4 and Xbox One. The only real next gen gaming platform is the PC.
Pretty sure he was talking about games, not graphically.
And they’re giving PC a hard time with lazy ports that’s just as bad as Wii U. The only focus gaming has come to be is only for the money through cheat among the stupid fans.
It’s definitely not an add on, I know that much. They wouldn’t waste money on an add on for a system that is already a failure sales wise. Don’t know what info made you think it would be an add on. Terrible idea either way.
NX is first and foremost the next HANDHELD. The 3DS Successor, with the whole “fusion” concept Iwata talked about before it’s possible the NX is both the next handheld and home console, but the handheld will come first then home console a year after. The 3DS has been out a long time, its nearing it’s end.
If I was Nintendo I would hold of with the NX home console until the PS5 is revealed. Then there will be other racers out. Stupid slightly mad nonsense.
What did you expect from a studio that claims they’re slightly mad. Talk about brutal honesty.
Well drat.
I have an Xbox One anyway, so I was never in any danger of never being able to play the game in the first place. How many people out there seriously own JUSt a Wii U?
I do. I have no interest in the others besides maybe kingdom hearts 3.
I do. Xbox One is uninteresting, and the PS4’s exclusives library is barren for another few years. However, I’m looking to upgrade to proper gaming PC.
I have a PS3, and like ten games for it that I rarely ever touch, I pretty much got rid of all my previous PS stuff.
To me Sony consoles are made for passing, and often bland and uninspired, experiences, which in retrospective makes it rather obvious why I never cared too much about gaming until I got a Nintendo console (GameCube) in my late teens.
It’s interesting because I feel no nostalgia for Mario or Zelda or Pokemon, I really didn’t care as a kid, but I’d be lying if I said I haven’t replayed Mario Galaxy, Twilight Princess and Pokemon White 2 like 8 times each; Nintendo just has this way of doing things that just clicks with me, and few third party games do it for me even on Nintendo consoles (Bayonetta 2 and SMT being some of few recent exceptions), so to me there’s really no difference; of course the droughts are awful, but I’m almost certain that if I go out of my way to buy a PS4 or and XB1 to weather out the wait for Xenocross and Yoshi’s Wooly World I’ll just end up with an overpriced brick sitting on the closet collecting dust.
First game announced for Wii U becomes the first game announced for NX. Has this ever happened before?
Definitely wasn’t the first game announced for Wii u lol by a long shot.
That’s what they say to keep Wii U from looking like it’s already outdated, which it is. All of the VC and eShop content (including Wii U games) you’ve seen here will be on the next system meaning it’s replacing it regardless. Nintendo only say it’s not to keep Wii U afloat for a little longer which is not much of any help.
Where does it say it’s dead? Nintendo isn’t revealing the NX yet so they have no choice but to complete it on Wii U. They could just release a version on Wii U then an improved version on the next console, it wouldn’t help the Nintendo audience if you just cancel
I don’t think they’ll complete it on the U from the sounds of it, whether they make it for the nx or not.
Yeah but what good would that do? Even if it’s a launch title people would probably move on. It was a noble effort, these guys insisted the Wii U’s architecture was great during development but suddenly they plan on quitting.
It’s just a headache to have to buy an expensive machine just to play some games especially for Nintendo gamers, with Wii U it seemed we finally had a machine that can bring us the great 3rd party series we missed (for a brief time it did) even though they despise the Wii U i can guarantee they would instantly jump aboard the NX
It won’t do them any good lol. People like you say will have moved on. But it sounds like that’s what’s gonna happen any way.
They can’t afford to not make the game without risking getting chargebacks and lawsuits left and right.
They’re waiting for the NeXt. Who told them what it is?
one question: what happened to the money they got from people who wanted the game on wii u?
>>>Just wait, they will never return them>>>
kickstarter and related shit is pointless in my opinion.
feel sorry for the wii u fans who gave money to them. I’ll wait for fast racing neo to see if the bitches on slightymad are honest
>>>Fast Racing Neo will probably be a lot more fun anyway>>>
i think one of the guys on shin’en confirmed the game will be 720p and 60fps. considering i did read the FRN series is like f-zero and project cars is just a racing simulator…
>>>Good, I sure want it to be a success and as much entertaining as Nano Assault for the 3DS, the Wii U one was a let down in terms of quantity>>>
That game was shit. Ugly shooter that literally takes 3 hours to complete. You are so brainwashed. Even though you disgust me I pity you greatly.
>>>It’s an Indie game you imbecile and a very cheap one at that for being that great, get lost Xbot>>>
They better damn we’ll return that money they falsely solicited.
>>>They won’t, well not until they get sued by the law of humans>>>
They will in short time. I can already foresee it happening.
Here goes another OBVIOUS false promise down the drain of BS. I wasn’t even considering this game anymore anyway and I knew this would happen from the start.
I called it too. The sec they said that the game will be delayed, I knew it wasn’t gonna happen.
No. When they said it was also gonna be on PS4/X1, that was the red flag which I knew it was gonna be like Ucraft’s BS all over again.
More like Ubish*t’s BS all over again.
Exactly.
Yah I’ve been promoting their game for two years. Fuck them, they make me look stupid.
Legend of Zelda Wii U is now NX port. Watch. Even Nintendo pulled this same stunt realizing they fucked up too.
>>>It won’t, they might do a port of it like TP but they won’t cancel it, it would be beyond stupid to do it at this point>>>
I’m talking about shifting platforms after saying its for “console A” only.
>>>And I’m saying they won’t, they’ll most likely use both>>>
Like I said, with enough backlash, they will have no choice but to refund the donated money because it’s a false profited project. It was never going to be on Wii U exclusively or just on that and PC. They lied so that means, according to law, they have two choices: Refund or lawsuit and lose so much more.
>>>We were talking about Zelda now, not this abomination>>>
Not an abomination but yet another obvious lie.
Well, they already delayed it by a year, we’ll see what happens next.
Never cared about this game. Don’t like racing Sims. U played one u played them all. Give me nfs underground and then we’re talking
they can bring it to wiiu. it would have to be toned down graphics wise. can’t blame devs for this one.
NX? What kind of drug they are smoking?
a mix of drugs and anal probes
I think it’d be for the best because the NX is already rumoured to have an x86 CPU from AMD and with the release of the R9 300 coming soon next month, I wouldn’t be surprised if they got the game smoothly and hell, who knows.
If the NX is a beastly Hybrid system with specs on par with a midi to high end gaming PC then we could see this game running in 1440p at 60fps+
Unlikely, as much as some people would love it.
Nintendo will probably shoot for something that is capable of 1080p, 60fps just as the PS4 and XB1 are… Maybe 900p. If they actually go the extra footing for 1440p, then I’d be surprised that they would be willing to take such a huge loss on the next platform.
Next time around, they will probably play it safe, just as they did with the Wii and technically the same with the Wii U too…. Hopefully this time they will/are include third party developers in the plan from the beginning.
They DID include 3rd party. They ALWAYS include them. But they also ALWAYS make decisions that turn off 3rd party, since 64 at least. They NEED to make a system MORE powerful than ps4/xbone and able to compete with ps5 or the next xbox or nobody is gonna support it. They can’t keep playing catch up. As much as fans wanna say graphics don’t matter, they do and always have, and even if you wanna think they don’t sales DO matter and they aren’t making sales with their gimped system, they got luck with the wii, which WON’T happen again. They can’t play it safe anymore. And honestly the fans deserve nintendo at their best, not playing it safe.
I think it’s hilarious how some Nintendo fans claim they don’t care about graphics but when the PS4 or Xbox One is brought into the discussion, suddenly “I can play the better version on PC”. LOL!
Yea everyone likes graphics, some more than others. Otherwise those same people would be happy to be playing nothing but 2D platformers. Cause adding power and graphics is what made 3D possible, among all kinds of other things. It might not be the most important thing, but it is an important thing to ALL gamers who have been buying new consoles every generation. Would any of these people be happy to just have an NES and nothing but 8-Bit games for the last 30 years? No way lol. People would have grown quite bored by now. Evolution of gaming is natural over time.
I don’t care about power or graphics but sadly, 3rd parties apparently do. Sure they didn’t have to screw us Wii U owners over (I won’t forgive it this gen!) but I do understand it even though most of my comments against 3rd parties would make any ignorant person that doesn’t know me think otherwise. Some probably even think I’m a Nintendo fanboy. But if people actually follow me & read my comments, they’ll see I’m far from being part of the fanboy crowd.
Yea you’re definitely not a fanboy lol. I’ve been going back and forth with you long enough to know that, and even if I hadn’t I don’t think you’ve said anything fanboyish today. I probably talk with you more than anyone else on here lol. You and Iceaeazma I think. Power has never been number one, but when I first saw Super Mario World, I was blown away. Again with Mario 64, and each gen. That’s faded some but mostly cause nintendo hasn’t made big jumps the last two generations. Still thought the galaxy games looked great, but in HD they would have been even better. I love space so mario in space in HD is like heaven. And my roomate who I’ve known since like 90-91, has a wii and ps3, and he played a lot of games on both, and besides the wii games looking much worse, he said the controls felt very poor. He isn’t a fanboy of either company and I know if he says something like that it’s true. If wii had been HD they wouldn’t have had the cheap ports, but the original ones. I’m not pleased with pretty much any company right now in gaming. Playtonic being the exception, but they just started and haven’t had time to do anything good or bad. As I said in another response though I trust them more than nintendo.
From what I’ve seen, no one has made any huge leap in graphics since the PS3. Maybe when 4K becomes the standard & TVs that support it aren’t putting people in the ditch, then graphics might make another huge leap. Then again, considering each generation is trying to up the graphics as much as they can even if it’s only a tiny bit, we may never notice a huge leap.
There’s definitely a notable difference in ps4 and wii u, but ps4 isn’t the most amazing thing ever. I can see lots of issues with the games, and I know we have a long way to go before video games truly look like pixar movies. Unless each company decides to hold off until like 2020 to make a new system (which would be cool just for the 2020 fact, sounds important lol), I don’t think we are gonna see leaps as much ever like the old days. I don’t know if anyone wants to wait that long for a new system though. It would be nice though. I think the gaming industry could stand to slow down for a few years to figure things out on all fronts.
That’s not even close to what I’m saying. Nintendo has a habit of not including developers and publishers in their plans. Even according to the inside story on Wii U development (Eurogamer), the developer who wrote the piece told his experience about what Nintendo did… They pitched the product to them instead of getting feedback from them. Then you also have Bethesda saying the same thing. Nintendo needs to involved third parties more; to a similar degree that Microsoft, and especially Sony, do.
Nintendo of course needs to play catch-up, but if they cannot satisfy my wants, if I were a developer, then there are several other more tempting options for me to choose from. Besides, I think the Nintendo fanbase needs a serious attitude adjustment before developers take this fanbase seriously anymore.
Oh well, I’ll just wait for Fast Racing Neo………………which is from a 3rd party developer that actually gives a damn about Nintendo fans
I wasn’t planning on getting this game (because realistic racers aren’t my thing really), but it’s still depressing that, really, the only third party exclusive game that the Wii U has gotten lately was pushed to everything EXCEPT the Wii U…
they aren’t bashing the wii u, the game has too much realistic graphics to the point were the wii u would run it at a story book lol.
*turns head to see the pics of fast racing neo
I’m not saying fast racing neo won’t be great looking or not, but everyone using it as ammo needs to realize that the game might not end up looking as good as the few pics they have shown. And with no video, you can’t use that game as an argument. And the pics shown are pretty empty. Until that game is shown more, it’s a weak argument. Again, not saying the game won’t look great on completion, but you should all wait before boasting it.
honestly, thanks for your point!
No problem, I do hope it turns out good though :p I honestly lost interest cause I forgot all about it with the lack of news and figured it was canceled, but if it turns out good I’m on board. Maybe E3 they will show it off, it’s been quite some time since they showed us the pics. I’m quite curious in general about Nintendo’s E3 and what they have up their sleeves. Hopefully lots of goodies.
Moron!!!!!
If Mario Kart 8 and Bayonetta 2 can run at 720p/60fps with all the visual effects that they have there is no reason a port of this can’t run at 720p/30fps with a slight graphical downgrade.
The problem here is that they don’t want to have to replace the textures and change the lighting and visual effects, because that would take actual work.
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Nintendo really shit the bed with this console, lol.
You could say the same for the PS4 and Xbox One…. they can’t even run the game right.
Anger is taking over.
I knew something like this would happen.
I will make my.own sim.
With blackjack and hookers?
Ok easy solution.
Make a wiiu version with cel shaded graphics. XD
So what is his name so i can sue him in a federal court?
So they screwed over everyone who funded their kickstarter…
Oh yeah, I remember…. now even if the game comes out on the NX I’m still not buying it…. fucking assholes
I could have got it for PC, but nah.
When the steam user review system wasn’t complete shit yet, you could read all about the issues of this $60 early access game.
Buncha fucking liars!!!!
This was obvious, the lack of information with the Wii U version said it all. Its the same shit thats happening with Zelda, only Zelda will just be pushed back hella long because I think Nintendo is going to overhaul the game and add as much as they possibly can. Which is fine, but it wont get me to buy a Wii U.
I will say though that Little Devil Inside looks amazing and would and could get me to buy one if the game comes to Wii U.
Let me rephrase that last sentence on the first paragraph to just,” which is fine”. Because really theres a couple of reasons I would buy one, just don’t have the cash yet.
BS! They said it was going to be amazing on the Wii u. What a bunch of liars. Why bother hyping it at all for the Wii u if they were just gonna be like, meh.
Things change. Sometimes we get so far into work on something and find there’s more here than we can chew nicely with the tools we have. XBone and PS4 are already underpowered, and for a team looking to make a game that’s cutting-edge in it’s graphics, how much more difficult it must be to develop that on Wii U.
“The team are”
I don’t understand the trend, but almost every gaming journalist blog I’ve ever visited makes this same mistake every other post, and it annoys the hell out of me. When talking about a group, unless the group’s name is itself plural (e.g. The Wright Brothers, Comic Book Men), you don’t treat it as a plural. Yes, a team means there are multiple people involved, but we only have one team, a single body, not two or three. It’s not “Nintendo have”, it’s not “the team are”, it’s “Nintendo has” and “the team is”.
Or am I just a wannabe grammar nazi who doesn’t know what he’s talking about?
It’s sad really. I see grammatical errors all day long on the internet. There are no jobs for editors these days. People write and post without even proof reading it themselves it would seem.
“Or am I just a wannabe grammar nazi who doesn’t know what he’s talking about?”
You are, actually.
With nouns that refer to entities composed of multiple individuals that are not collective nouns, you can use either its singular or plural form, doesn’t matter. Bands are a good example of this.
Thanks. I didn’t know that.
HA! So, Mario Kart 8 has no problems, Smash Bros doesn’t or Bayonetta or Splatoon, yet these lazy devs didn’t want to know the console and do it right, even if it’s so different, then they should find the way to do it right, hell, even Ubishit was able to put Watch Dogs on the Wii U with no probkem, plus all the indie developers who put theirs, yet these lazy and arrogant developers won’t do it right and expect people to buy a 3 year old game when the NX comes out. And as if people were dying to play this shit when we already have MK8.
>>>No, you are not alone in this, it bothers me as well to witness such primitive failures>>>
>>>Was meant as a reply to AAA>>>
LOL did you really just put splatoon on that list? That game is less that a gigabyte in size, it is literally a shell of a game. It looks like de blob from the Wii, a last generation game. And all the other games you mention, wow talk about cartoony graphics. Oh do any of them support dynamic weather? No. How about 32 cars on screen at once? Nope. Are any of them anywhere near as detailed as project cars? Of course not. Lol gtfo fanboy.
Hail AAA.
What’d I do?
Hey that’s my line.
Some of the people in this comment section clearly have no idea what they’re talking about. And I doubt many of you actually read the article. I love how everyone keeps talking trash to these developers and yet they’re still working hard to find a way to get it running right. They are even going so far as to wait for the next SYSTEM just to give you this game and you still complain. If you wanted to blame someone, how about you blame Nintendo for making the system that weak in the first place?
>>>They promised to release it on the Wii U, end of story>>>
They could release it on the Wii U. If you like playing under 20 FPS…
and what about the wii u fans who gave their money to see that game on the system??
Why people so mad because this game is community + developer funding from kickstarter. Many fans from Wii U wanted this game on their system so they donated for this reason and Wii U target is achieved successfully, therefore developer must do anything they can to optimise this game on Wii U.
If developer want to release this game on NX, so Wii U fans donate for nothing. It’s like they been scammed. They should only stick to release it initially on PC/Xbone/PS4 and not Wii U.
Wii U fans will not be mad if this game is funded by publisher Bandai. But anyway, I don’t quite confident to donate to any project in Kickstarter. I’m afraid this kind of situation would happen. I’m not one of the backers for this game so I don’t have right to be mad.
Na skip the Wii U skip every third party on Wii U. This will make Nintendo look stupid for thinking Project Café just needed to be as powerful as PS3. Well a little bit more powerful than PS3. This is a good thing. So NX will need 12 cores and 5-10gigd for gaming. A GPU 3x better than PS4 and it will need a Strong CPU to handle 4 gamepads. the NX will need to be strong enough to play N64 and GameCube games since Wii U struggles playing DK64. Sometimes the music on that game struggles and has errors because Nintendo was stupid to give the OS 1 gig in 2008.
The only error on DK 64 I noticed was in the board with K. Rool’s ship, every time I would jump on it the music would get confused or something and it was quite annoying. I can’t remember far enough to when I played it on 64 to know if the issue was around then. But yea Nintendo needs to be competing with ps5, not ps4 with the NX. They have to have similar power, or they are done. And any fanboy can say all they want that graphics and power don’t matter, but sales do, and wii u and got many of those. And there’s hardly ANY games that we know of. E3 is pretty much gonna let us know if wii u is worth having for the next few years. Cause right now there’s Star Fox & Zelda that I can think of. Xenoblade may help a little, but it didn’t make as big a splash in japan as expected so I’m afraid it might not here either. I’m honestly on the fence about it now cause I really don’t feel like rushing through the first one just to play the new one, since the first one is so big.
*>>>people paid to play a wii u released, end of story>>>
*release
First off, this game was Kickstarted, and a lot of those who donated to it wanted it exclusively for their Wii U, as evidenced by the poll in the developer’s official site. Having people donate to something only to tell them that the sooner they can see a good version of it is by 2018/2019 and that they’ll have to buy an entirely new system to play it is nothing short of a scam.
The developers could tone down the graphic engine and get it to run at 30FPS, but they won’t because they can’t be bothered to work had for it, if they can’t port it with the minimal amount of effort then they won’t even try.
And can you please stop acting as if developers make games out of the goodness of their hearts? It’s their fucking job, they get paid to do it, game development is not charity, they don’t give their products away for free, they make them with the express purpose of selling them.
Not Kickstarted but crowdfunded on their own platform.
PS3/360 players ended up having their platform entirely dismissed as well, and then the game was released a full ear and a half later than expected, so… yeah, it’s not really a scam when its already happened once and the promise was delivered on.
I think this case is little more difficult than visuals. This game uses an intense amount of calculations for physics, so it’s kind of rough to try and say that they aren’t doing their job when they are clearly trying to do so. Other developers have given up on the Wii U when the going to really tough, and quite frankly the Wii U really doesn’t fit anyone’s idealism except for Nintendo’s. No matter the case, it’s pretty clear the developers are still trying. If you don’t like it, then send them an email and ask for your money back, if you helped fund the game; If you really feel that annoyed about this matter, that is. If not, then I don’t seen how your criticism is nothing short of silly.
Do you even write code?
There is no such thing as a too weak console for a game. Any game can be on any platform. If they wanted to they could put the game on an Atari 2600. Degrading is all I game need to be on any platform.
You know what I meant… -_-
I do know what you mean. That is why I blame developers. If I was to make a game for a console then I would make sure it runs at my target goal and would cut back anything that needed to be. I think they are trying but are trying to keep it as close as the other versions. If not possible then downgrade it til they satisfied with it.
But don’t you see the problem? Wii U gamers complain about getting gimped versions of games but the only way POSSIBLE to bring this to the Wii U is to downgrade it and make some major changes. I don’t see many Wii U owners supporting this at all when it releases. It would probably just be best to cancel it instead. But you see if they do that, the people that were actually looking foward to it will be upset. It’s a loss either way.
I see that but I just buy what is on the console I own and don’t worry about that. I bought most third party games on Wii U and my fun have not been diminish. I’ve played them on other consoles but the experience is the same to me. Some features gone but it the cost of multiplatform. The sad part is only way someone know if something is gimped is by playing all consoles. Gamers in general complain so much, I just think people don’t like games.
I totally agree the U should have been a lot more powerful, and that is the reason for the gimped versions of everything, however in this case you gotta give it to the fans who paid their kickstarter or crowdstarter. They have a right to complain about not getting the game. But other than that yea wii u needed more power, and I don’t think the NX can survive if nintendo “plays it safe” for a third straight generation. Sales of the wii towards the end and the wii u the whole time show it. They got lucky with the motion control that was cool for five minutes and wowed everyone. But after the casuals left, support died off, and people stopped buying and it became a joke system. They tried it again with the gamepad but it didn’t work. People didn’t want it, and after having it since Day 1, I really don’t either. It’s good for internet browsing and netflix and such, but for gaming it’s garbage. Far to big and clunky, far too uncomfortable, and what uses have we had? Maps? Not worth the hit in the systems power. Gyro controls? Get that trash out of here. It was a little fun in Lego City, but nothing amazing, and the game wouldn’t have felt any less complete without it. Wonderful 101 was alright, but I am pretty sure that was the game where I switched from the gamepad to to the pro controller, and never went back and realized how uncomfortable it was after trying to go back. And the pro sucks too, but I think I’ve told you specifically before how much I don’t like that cheap controller either.
Nintendo refuses to listen. They don’t seem to care what people are saying. When people said “release a console on par with the competition” they were not talking about LAST generation consoles. One step foward and then two steps back, Nintendo. Smh.
Yea seriously. Next gen is their last hope. This gen shows it no matter how blind you want to be. If they ever want to see “Nintendo-like profits” again, they can’t play it safe. And I swear I remember Iwata saying after the initial shock of low wii u sales, that nintendo couldn’t settle for 3rd anymore. I really wish I could find that quote, I swear he said it but I can’t ever find it. I think it was early to late 2013 when he said it.
I disagree about the Gamepad being garbage for gaming. If we had a ton of RPG games that used the Gamepad right, never again will we have to scroll through long ass menus. Ugh! Why couldn’t Nintendo & everyone else use the Gamepad for the same things the touch screen for the DS family are being used for in some games!? Screw using it for gimmicky stuff. How about using it for menus & anything else that requires a lot of scrolling, guys!? Imagine how much better Xenoblade Chronicles X will be when using the Gamepad if they allow us to use it for the menus & the battle system! I could find out if it’s being used that way by scrolling through the Japanese community of it on Miiverse but then I risk coming across spoilers. D:
Yea it would be nice but unfortunately it’s pretty barren in the RPG department. I’m not against the idea that the gamepad COULD be used for some cool stuff, I just haven’t seen anything yet. They got me hyped as hell about it, but they haven’t done much with it at all sadly. Making games like super mario u even easier than they already are is not fun. Pikmin 3 I’m pretty sure I did the nunchuck combo. Kart & Smash there’s not much you could do. It shouldn’t have taken all this time and the time to come still to figure out a great way to use the pad, it’s in it’s third year which is pretty much half of it’s life cycle (I don’t know why that seems so short, but it’s the normal life cycle. I guess being older it seems a lot sooner with each generation). Have you played the original xenoblade on wii? If so, how long would it take to go through it? I want x but have lost a lot of desire cause I won’t play it without playing the first, and I don’t wanna spend the next 5 months on one game and then jump into it’s sequel right after. My brother told me it’s really big so that’s my issue. Not that it being big is a bad thing lol just the timing for me.
If you only do side quests when you need to level up, you can beat Xenoblade Chronicles in less than… 50-75 hours, give or take any time you might spend slacking off because you actually don’t want to move the story along til after you complete all the side quests up to any certain point. But be forewarned if you do buy the original, don’t do the side quests too much or otherwise you’ll end up over leveled & all challenge against bosses will be gone.
As for the Gamepad itself, Nintendo sure is under-utilizing it. *cough*SplatoonwithNOvoicechateventhoughtheGamepadhasafuckingmic*cough*
That’s not terrible, Honestly I could do that in a week if I really pushed, but that’s if it really captures me. But I’m a completionist so it will probably take me longer lol. And yea the lack of the built in mic is stupid. And I can’t stand the people who ignore that fact and just say voice chat is useless. Than why did everyone brag about the gamepad having a built in mic and not needing headphones? I can’t stand the fanboys. Constantly changing their stance so that nintendo looks good no matter what choice they make.
Yeah. Being on the other side of the fence has showed me just how selfish some Nintendo fans can be. I’m dealing with one right now in this article if you haven’t noticed yet. Apparently 3rd parties aren’t the only companies with sheep among their fanbases. lol
I haven’t but I will take a look and find out lol.
If you fully supported a game with your own money to come to a specific system & it doesn’t, you’d be extremely pissed too. Unless you truly are a sucker for 3rd parties & would just let them keep your money so it can be used for a console you don’t even want the game on because you preferred to have it on your console of choice.
As someone who has trash talked a developer before, in retrospect I don’t feel very happy about it. As soon as you begin coding, and the more you begin to work towards similar circumstances that they work under…. It’s kind of awful to consider the hate being thrown at them, and a good amount of it being unwarranted.
After researching this game a bit, I kind of doubt most people here even know about this game’s history to begin with. Most people cite kickstarter (admittedly I thought along similar lines), but this game was never even funded through kickstarter. It doesn’t even have a kickstarter…. After checking out info from backers/investors of the project and even the developers, it seems like most people are just regurgitating information without even knowing the true origins of it.
Call this unfair, but… Did anyone in this entire comment section even help fund this game?
How do they know NX is actually a console? Lol what if it’s something toooootttttaaalllllllyyyyyyy different. Then when nintendo announces it, then they would have waited for nothing.
If NX ain’t a console than Nintendo is more stupid than. I THOUGHT.
Right lol the stupid quality of life crap is enough, we don’t need ANOTHER stupid nintendo idea. Just give us a damn system truly worth having. Not a fisher price version of everything else. Come nintendo fans something to be proud of again. Instead of a system we have to come up with every excuse to try and defend. I defended it for too long, and I’m done.
Because the game will be still relevant 3 years from now.
only a complete moron would have believed it ever was coming to the Wii U after the delay. I called it right then. Could they make it as good as say..the Xbone? Yeah, probably. I think most of these ‘next gen’ games COULD be made to look the same on the Wii U. The problem is…and this developer essentially admits it…is that it requires talent, patience, and diligence. Since the install base and prospects for big sales is low there is no reason to bother. This is really Nintendo’s fault. The are constantly making their consoles different (hence more difficult) to develop for. I wonder sometimes if they do that so they don’t get shown up. We always hold Nintendo up to such a high standard based on how good games look on inferior hardware. But they are the ones who work on it the most and know it in and out so they should be getting the best results. Maybe they do this so they can keep up the facade? Looking at Rayman Legends you can see how incredible Ubisoft was able to make that game look. In fact it is the definitive version. Whatever their motives…Nintendo deserves this happening to them. I’m tired of defending them against “lazy 3rd parties”.
Are you aware that both Mario Kart 8 and Bayonetta 2, some of the most graphically complex games on Wii U, run at 720p/60fps? Even Xenocross with its enrmous draw distance and tons of creatures moving around in real time doesn’t go below 30fps.
There’s no reason this game can’t run at at least 30fps with a slight graphical downgrade, but that would require textures to be replaced and lighting and particle effects to be altered, so of course they’re not going to do it despite having been paid to do it. How is that exactly Nintendo’s fault?
The developers can create their game however they want to. You don’t decide how it works. And if you ACTUALLY READ THE ARTICLE, you would’ve seen the “We could reach a fairly solid 30FPS but it might take a hell of a lot of work.” They are trying to make it work WITHOUT sacrificing too much so it can be as close as possible to the experience you’d get with the other versions. And how is it Nintendo’s fault you ask? Well, Slightly Mad Studios isn’t the one that created the Wii U, now are they? The way the console was made and what components went into it were entirely up to Nintendo and they made the system with their own games in mind. They foolishly thought that if they purposely went for weaker hardware, it would somehow convince developers not to try and push graphics and focus on “innovation” but they failed to realize how much the hardware actually affects development. You keep telling people how Nintendo seems to have no problems making games but they can easily hide the performance problems with the cartoonish art style they keep putting on their games. And while you might try and argue that developers can downgrade their games and change the art style or whatever, like I said before… It should be up to the DEVELOPER how their game looks and performs. Not you. Not every game dev wants to keep a cel shaded art style and severely cripple their game just so they can get it running on an underpowered console. If they want hyper realistic graphics, then let them have it!
@HgJ I could try and explain hardware performance and nice numbers to you but I will keep it simple. Having cartoonish graphics doesn’t mean the system is not being taxed, Nintendo knows their hardware, whilst others are not trying to figure it out. That being said, Nintendo needs to realize they need to conform to some degree with their NeXt gen hardware if they want 3rd parties aboard. ( It needs to be in the next gen range, not ps4/x1 )
Bayonetta 2 is jaggy shit with ugly-ass textures in the environments and isn’t even locked 60 fps, shut up lol.
Do I have to repeat what I said to the last comment of yours about a game looking jaggy? It’s only jaggy if you are watching Youtube videos. Crappy Youtube vids at that.
I also have this game too, so your repetition doesn’t even matter you autistic fuckwit.
As I said, probably a crappy tv. Or you aren’t using an HDTV cord. lol OOoh! It’s using cussing & insults! How cute! >.< Good to know I'm the bigger, more mature man here.
My TV is 44” 1080p panel.
Stop being so butthurt, the game is ugly. Don’t know why you’re so impressed with it when it’s the same as the first game with more oversaturated colors.
It sounds like you play Bayo with something in your butt, that’s your jaggy problem.
“Our work might just be the best thing that ever hit that new console in the driving sim genre.”
Talk about conceited.
They just need to finish it on the WiiU, otherwise it will go from “basically dead” to “dead” because Nintendo is NOT going to let them have a sneak peek at the NX, and waiting for the NX is not a good idea for them.
Then I would advise the Wii U owners who donated to this project to chargeback.
If Nintendo did that to all developers who had second thoughts about the Wii U, then it would be the Wii U’s situation all over again…
Besides, this is a matter of the gamers getting screwed over here. It’s basically the PS3/360 versions getting moved over to PS4/XB1 all over again. Some people will be very pissed off, and others will be ‘meh’ about it.
NINTENDO was stupid deciding on Wii U specs. A little bit more powerful than PS3? REALLY Nintendo? NX needs to be on par or better than PS5. If not then Nintendo is more stupid than I thought.
True, I am not a “power whore” but Nintendo needs to be in the next gen ball park to make things workout for all parties involved.
Yea it’s time they got back to their roots and competed. I’m not a graphics whore but I do like them, and I don’t like gimped versions, if we even get those. And lack of online options and such. Smash for example is quite limited unless you play with people on your friends list. You should be able to go online with a friend on two different consoles, and make a room and play team matches against others for instance. Playstation all stars, the game all smash fans love to bash, has this option, and no lag compared to smash from what my roomate and his friend tell me. How does the rip off game on a last gen system offer better online options of a game that is supposed to be the best. ESPECIALLY after everyone hated brawls internet options and lag. Internet should have been one of the first and most focused on things for smash, but it wasn’t. Getting off topic here, I’m good at that lol.
We can blame Sakurai for that. He’s one of the “old” guys at Nintendo. He apparently can’t stand change. As evidenced by the fact he won’t give Ganondorf a fucking CANON moveset! I hope he keeps his promise & quits working on Smash for the next Smash game because I feel he’s holding the franchise back at this point.
Yea he is I feel too. Ganon is his favorite I’ve read so he won’t change him. Which fuck him. It’s a game for fans and ganon deserves far more to have original moves than captain falcon. And to CONSTANTLY gives us his sword taunt that he can’t use (he has it as a custom move now but it replaces the warlock punch which is stronger…so the blade is trash). There’s lots of little things about the gameplay I don’t like either. Like taking away forward jumping momentum and such.
For instance, I want Ridley playable but if Sakurai is going to half ass him & just turn him into a fucking Charizard clone, I’d rather he actually stay as a boss. “I don’t want to add Ridley as a playable character because I’ll have to do a lot of hocus pocus to make him work but then he wouldn’t really be Ridley anymore!” “*anyone with a brain looks right at Ganondorf after hearing that line* Oh really!? Then why is it Ganondorf is Captain Falcon but slower & stronger!?” -.- Fuck you, Trollurai, fuck you. lol
Yea honestly just look at Super Mario 64. King Koopa was huge. Way bigger than in smash. But in smash he’s the size of other Mario games. Shoot downsize ridley, and make his final smash the giant form everyone is afraid of losing out on. Similar to Giga Bowser, instead of just one quick move, you’re powered up ridley for a good 30 seconds or so and can fly around and do whatever ridley does lol.
If that still isn’t good enough for the anti-Ridley people, just use the infamous Lizard Ridley from Other M & still give his final (dragon) form as a Final Smash! Oh wait. They’ll still complain because it’s from Other M. But least that way, they’ll regret being so vehemently against a playable Ridley getting shrunk down.
Haha that would be hilarious to see. But yea they will complain. They will always complain!
I think some people are going to be really disappointed in the NX, including Ian Bell.
1. Yeah me too
2. Some people may have their hopes too high
Everyone should have their hopes too high, and if they aren’t met, nintendo is losing a ton of sales. They really screwed up the last two gens, and long time fans have had enough. I’ve never seen so many pissed off nintendo fans as I have the last few years. If they don’t step it up next gen, I’m out and so are many others. Tired of them playing it safe and catering to families and kids. Cater to the fucking people who paid your bills for 30 years, not the kids who play on xbox anyway and play cod and curse like crazy which they stupidly try to prevent.
“But… but… The soccer moms & psycho-religious parents & politicians! We don’t want to piss them off! Please don’t make us piss them off! *cries*” Ugh! When exactly did Nintendo let someone come along & cut off their balls!?
Seriously lol. And if I recall correctly you are a parent, so that’s refreshing as hell to read. Nintendo needs to grow some vince mcmahon sized grapefruits and blow us all away.
That would have flied a couple of years back. Sadly, Vince McMahon also let someone come along & chop off his balls when his wife became a politician. Now we’re stuck in this PG era bullshit!
Yea lol that’s why I can’t watch anymore. I watch wrestlemania once in a while if they have something big like sting or the rock, but that’s about it. Undertaker too, he’s my favorite, but screw what they did to him with brock lol. Even if it was Taker’s decision! More blasphemic than you’re lack of milk and oreos :p
I still watch. I’m enjoying it while also hating the current storyline with The Authority. Damn these love/hate relationships! lol
I don’t know what it is about the new guys, I just don’t like them. I can’t put my finger on it, but yea lol I just don’t dig them. Love/Hate relationships lol yea that’s always been a common theme. For some reason it instantly made me think of Macho Man marrying Miss Elizabeth. Man I love the old days lol.
Speaking of Macho Man, Damien Sandow is now impersonating him as Macho Mandow! lol
lol are you serious? like he even states that he’s trying to be him? or he just highly resembles him? Macho Mandow wow lol.
Wow that is so disrespectful lol. Another reason I don’t like WWF anymore, they have no shame. Let macho man rest in peace, and don’t use his name to try to get viewers with impostors.
Why don’t they cancel it then? Nintendo has said things about NX in the past, it’s not like the NX isn’t happening :/
Nintendo deserves this. Their console should be on part with its competitors, not lagging behind. Their family fun garbage is killing their home console.
Go fuck yourself.
I’ll get right on that after a few races on Project Cars. I was going to get the Wii U version but I opted to get it for a system that can actually run it.
PC
1. So the game will still come out on the wii u
2. The nx no one knows what it is and won’t be talked about until next year
3. If they wait until next year or the year after to start development then that’s dumb
4. Didn’t they already say the game would be 720p and 30 f’s
5. The nx could come out in 2017 or 2018 like I have said before so once again waiting would be dumb
6. So I expect this game to come out this year
7. I may or may not get it later this year or next year but I’m going to order a vita from eBay hopefully this week
Are these people trying to port to the Wii? or the Wii U? Nintendo first party games look amazing! why are they having so much trouble? I thought someone was quoted as saying the Wii U is so next gen!
Shin’en ? ugh…
I don’t get it! SO dissapointed by Nintendo. I’ve been hyped and anticipating this game since i saw it in a sizzle reel on a Nintendo Direct back in FEB 2013!!!!!!!!!!!!! R U SERIOUS???!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1. They are obviously porting to the wiI u dumbass
2. Who knows why they are having trouble but they will just have to take things out and get the game to run at 720 p and 30 fps
3. So you just until I’m going to guess sometime later this year the game will most likely come out
4. I doubt they are going to wait for 2 or 3 years for the nx if it is a home console
I’ve been anticipating this game for Wii U since I saw it in a sizzle reel on a nintendo direct back in FEB 2013!!!!! R U SERIOUS?!!!
Shin’en, are they lying?
Ugh! why?
1. Shin en know what they are talking about and if the game or games that they already have for the wii u don’t prove them right then fast racing neo will
This reminds me something that happen before with Rayman and Ubisoft.
They said Rayman runs smoothly in WiiU but then, they released later.
Project Cars developers said the same thing, in FACT they said it runs almost at 1080p and that the game will be the best out there in WiiU with new features with the gamepad, and now everytime i read news about the development they said negative stuff.
Have you noticed?
I think is just a marketing move, OR they’ve been paid by Microshit or Sony below the table, to kill another good game for WiiU and they win the fans.
So to the developers of Project Cars, FUCK OFF! STOP LYING! The GAME RUN SMOOTHLY AND WORKS LIKE A CHARM IN WIIU!!
If they are lying, then you must be right, but that obviously cannot be the case since they stated over 2 years ago that the game would not be 1080p, nor 60fps on Wii U! Anyways, Looks like you’re the one lying here:
(from MyNintendoNews): 2013/03/18/project-cars-for-wii-u-runs-at-720p-30fps-looks-feels-amazing/
If Project Cars should be able to reach 1080p though, then why is most Nintendo releases 720p? Why is Bayonetta 2 720p? Why isn’t Super Mario 3D World 720p? Why isn’t Pikmin 3, which is regarded as a beautiful game, also 720p at 30fps, even though all previous Pikmin games were 60fps….
Also, the situation with Ubisoft is COMPLETELY different. The Wii U was the main development platform for Rayman Legends, and the Wii U version was the best of them all (stages were made for the gamepad, afterall) despite the game having a multiplatform release.
If that’s the case, they’re lying again. If they said that the game runs very good in 720p and 30fps? So after a lot of time developing for the console, now they drop a few frames?
No dude, they’re lying, and believe me , a game like that could run even in 720p at 60fps, with less “effects”. Now they say they are having problems? Really?
They created a lie, to keep us wishing something they don’t want to develop because they’ve been offered money behind the table. That’s all.
You can’t be so naive after seeing the development through the years and say we are stupids.
Let’s just wait, and if they said, they don’t want to keep developing the WiiU version and wait for the NX, it’s because something “weird” is happening behind closed doors. It’s not the game, it’s them and their pockets. =/
If it was all about money, they wouldn’t have even considered a Wii U version to begin with.
I don’t remember them ever stating that the game was, at that time, running at that resolution and frame rate. My citation was only to clarify that that was the end goal for the developers, and to contradict your apparent lack of knowledge in claiming the “Project Cars developers said the same thing, in FACT they said it runs almost at 1080p”… Basically, it was to say you’re wrong and misinformed.
If you were a video game developer, no even a software engineer then maybe I’d be willing to listen to you, but chances are you aren’t as I doubt someone who such knowledge would claim such things without backing them up.
If Slightly Mad Studioss was offered money under-the-table, then Nintendo must have done similar things to promote and contradict the reports on the Wii U’s capabilities, which as most people know now: The Wii U has a serious bottleneck that inhibits it from working well with some engines and some games without having to undergo extensive optimizations for little payout (ie Wii U owners not buying third party games).
If I’m naive, then you’re in denial. And as someone who is naive, at least being naive means I can be right about some things as opposed to being in denial where I deny the truth of a matter.
The only part of your post I agree with is the first seven words. After that it just goes into conspiracy land.
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Can I say seued wat I would doo if I financed it on kick starter for Wii U
It’s going to be cancelled, Namco are not going to let SMS sit around with their thumbs up their ass waiting for a new Nintendo console to be released. Time is money.
oh..
I remember last year those same developers saying that they were really optimistic and impressed with WiiU..Now this..
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WELL FUCK YOU THEN!!!
Hey look, a bunch of ignorant fanboys who don’t understand what it takes to develop a game, especially for an underpowered system with a gimmicky controller.
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That is just a bunch of crap. If they want to come clean why don’t just say that their shitty Xbox version was a complete failure and that because of that they need most of their team fixing bugs. I am alredy tired of being treated like inferior just because we have less graphical power. If SMS can only work with graphics, then i do not know why the hell they even considered the Wii U. Fuck all of our support to a business that has hust made hype stupidly. Sorry SMS, but if you can’t make a racing sim without introducing cheap next gen graphics, then you should spend your time making making “pixar style” movies, and not video games. We want HD and nice texture, without lag. We do not need super deep detail to enjoy a racing sim. I though Project Cars was about the gameplay, but it seems as if the gameplay is the least exeptional thing of what has finally become this game. NX¿? Sirously¿? SMS, you just trolled all wii u owners who suported this game from very far back. So as a troll, do not come close to Nintendo.
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I think you completely misunderstood the vision of this game.
This game was introduced with having such high visual fidelity that it was compared with real life recreations, of the in-game recreation. Gameplay is important in all regards, but this game was not meant to just be a gameplay showcase, but a visually impressive game too. And besides, there is a crap ton more stuff happening behind the scenes too. Visuals are only part of the picture, likewise is gameplay, but in the total scope neither make up the whole picture.
Well, I though that what made this game so different was that they where using a different tire-grip technology, with a lot of community input regarding customization and gameplay. The wii u version was never expected by gamers to be a visual impact, it was expected to be a racing sim for wii u. And sorry man, but if a developer rises hype in such a seducing way, he has the responsability to meet the expectectuons it had risen, even if it means working more than they originally thought. And you can say tons of shit of how the industry works, but developers who rise hype and create hope (as marketing strategy) and end up delivering nothing are shameless developers.
Shit happens during development. If they tried to get it on the Wii U and had issues, who the fuck are you to judge them? Sometimes the money and resources necessary to make a certain version isn’t there or they’ll take a hit instead of prioritizing. Until they actually release the game on a system and you buy it, they don’t owe you a fucking thing.
so…its okay to write checks you cant cash? or let consumers foot the bill but then develop nothing for them in return?
hey all, i’ll be developing a game for every current generation platform. they can all handle my game, why else would i promise that?
just send me some money for your desired platform. heads up, i don’t understand what any of the consoles can do, and i’ll only ever show PC footage. i’m thinking of cancelling at least one version and keeping your money. but maybe a third party will help me. imagine what i can do with more money, more resources. ah more work too. oh well as long as i have a third party on my side and my game will release on the popular systems i dont need to keep my promises. not that i ever showed a U version. i want to give Nintendo gamers a solid sim and if PS360 could do it then Wii U can too…NOT!!!! TROLLED YO ASSES. PC PS4 AND XBOX ONE ALL THE WAY BABY. SONY AND MICROSOFT FO LIFE! ITS ALL ABOUT THE $$$$$$$$ WHO PLAYIN WITH POWER NOW
You’re right. They don’t owe you a fucking thing until you buy the game, as you put it. Unless of course, y’know, you donated money to the kickstarter for this game so it can be on a specific console that was not a stretch goal but a main goal. Unless you like getting scammed by a 3rd party & having your money used for something you did NOT give the money to the project to be used on. In which case, you’re an idiot & should be ripped off. But considering you think Slightly Mad Studios doesn’t owe anyone a damn thing til they buy the game even though they helped fund it, I’m going to assume you did not support the kickstarter so the game can be on the Wii U.
Lol salty.
For those that did put their money into funding the game on kickstarter, yes. Personally, I think they were suckers for trusting a 3rd party that has ties with EA & barely any history with Nintendo. Not like Playtonic who are making Yooka Laylee. But who knows. Maybe the former Rare guys there have changed over the years & aren’t as trustworthy as they once were, either. *shrug* In the end, it’s not my problem what others do with their money.
Look on the bright side. At least in the future if you purchase a PS4, you’ve got one more game added to your list to get.
Nope. I wanted this game for Wii U. So if I don’t get to have it on Wii U, I don’t want it at all.
Seriously? Ugh.
Yes, seriously. As I said, I don’t care about graphics to the same extent as others. So I’ll be happy to get this game on the Wii U if it hits the console. If it doesn’t, it’s one less thing I have to buy. Besides, if I really want to race, I can just play Mario Kart 8 or Need for Speed: Most Wanted U… which I haven’t played since 2013. o.O The lack of story for the remake of Most Wanted made me lose interest when a game that did have story came out later on. But since I am willing to play Project CARS which doesn’t have a story, I’m willing to play NFS:MWU as a replacement if I can’t get CARS since MWU looks just as good.
Most Wanted isn’t like Project Cars. And it doesn’t “look just as good” if you’re talking visually. Hot Pursuit even looks better to me. Online MW only supports like 8? Or 12 players? Compared to the 40+ players all at once on P Cars? Well, Most Wanted is arcade racer anyway, so the two obviously can’t be compared.
ANYWAYS, I love arcade racers like NFS too, but I want to give Project Cars a chance. Also, I know you say you don’t care about graphics, but the graphics are an important part of this game. It is meant to look like real life and that’s adds to the experience of the game.
The game wasn’t funded through kickstarter, but through WMD. That’s your first demerit, sir.
durpdurpdurp does have it right though. Until this game releases on Wii U, the developers owe nothing to the consumer. However, those that did pledge their money to the project do deserve their say on the matter. But, that isn’t for you to decide if you did not back the project. If you didn’t back the project, all you can do is wait along with me and many others. Those who backed it, not donate, but actually funded development will be the ones who are posting on the developer’s official forums and communicating with the developers and the community that helped build the game.
Kickstarter, WMD, whatever. There are still consumers that paid their own money to get this game on the Wii U. And when I see a 3rd party screw people over, I have a right to call them out on their lies whether I donated or not. I wasn’t part of the Jewish people that were put into concentration camps by the Nazis, either, but I can still call out the Nazis for being heartless, soulless monsters. So that “it’s not for me to decide” line is meaningless.
There are also just as many consumers that backed this project for a PS3 and 360 version, but neither of those versions came to fruition. Are you implying that Wii U owners should hold precedence over PS3 and 360 owners even though there is the possibility that Wii U owners backed the project less or as much as PS3/360 owners?
You might as well support those PS3 and 360 owners, as unlike the Wii U version, those versions were officially cancelled. Hate on the developers and the backers who democratically decided what to do with this game’s funding.
So, does that mean I have every justification to call out Nintendo for screwing consumers over too? If it works for third parties, it works for first parties just like Nintendo. And if third parties are to blame on one account, then Nintendo is equally to blame on others for other problems that they have caused. Should we call Nintendo a liar for telling people, getting them hyped up for the Wii U, with third party and first party games? Should we complain to them that they never gave the Wii U a second gamepad?
I still wouldn’t consider your criticism to be justified. To be annoyed at the news? Sure. I was a little down when I first read it, but criticism should be left to those who are actually effected. In regards to your WWII analogy, if your statement is from second hand experience, or third person perspective, then think about those who actually lived through that time period and under those circumstances. Some may agree with you, others may even tell you it’s worse that what you think it is. Depends on who you talk to, but some survivors even forgive… Your analogy is your opinion, and I agree with YOUR opinion in this circumstance, but this does not follow well with what you are saying/writing about the developers of project cars.
The difference in perspective means so little to you, as in no way, shape, or form does this game not releasing on the Wii U effect you. You yourself stated as much. if you are trying to argue for others, let those others who personally backed this project speak for themselves, as their opinion could easily differ from yours or may not even be held in the same light. If you actually backed this project, then I would assume you would have stated so before, to which I assume you haven’t.
Hypothetical situation: Nintendo decides to cut support for the Wii U after next year. You have no say in the matter, thus it isn’t for you to decide. Nintendo cut support for the Wii when the Wii U was released, and likewise you had no say in the matter. It really isn’t for you to decide if you didn’t put your mouth forward to fund the game. Most of those that did intended to do so mainly to have the game created in the first place, which is the point of funding a game through kickstarter, WMD or any other community investor website.
Playtonic won’t let me down lol. They better not. I pledged a decent amount to that game, first game I have backed. I trust them more then I trust nintendo though.
This means that Nintendo too should be held accountable for their attempted hype and marketing for the Wii U, which did not deliver on most promises made (as they did promise a lot, much of which I bought into unfortunately). Same goes for all other publishers and developers who ended up having problems and hurdles during development of their products…. If I were to agree, I know I’d become a hypocrite for trying to stand by such a statement, which is why I unfortunately must disagree.
This game was shown off, side by side, against real life versions of the tracks… I don’t think “The wii u version was never expected by gamers to be a visual impact” should apply. Gameplay-wise, it was already known what it would be like across all platform, but this game was not shown off to be just about its gameplay, but I thought it was made to be what other racing simulators was not, which include those aspects of its gameplay. If not, then they wouldn’t have even done that side-by-side comparison.
If they’re having trouble realizing their vision on the hardware then that’s a problem, and in all regards I would doubt they would give up so easily when they encountered problems. The fact that they are waiting this out now means that they exhausted most of their options to get it to work. For example, as a counter point: if the game ends up being released with not as good visuals, fans will hate on the fact that the Wii U is not on the same playing field as the other platforms, and will stoop so low as saying that is the reason for it not being released.
I just think Slightly Mad Studios is in a tough situation. Their hype, may have helped pull them into this situation, but at the same time changes during development and even the hardware show that there are problems beyond their control.
Dude, the wii u version supposedly was not a port. If it was not a port it means it should be developed taking into accout the wii u limitations, its diferentiating elements (gamepad) and its consumers. And nobody who buys a wii u has graphics as their priority. In addition SMS was so cool as to say that if wii u owners wanted a racing sim, they would have to wait to P.cars.
And aside from that. Any decent business knows it is better to underpromise and overdeliver than to overpromise and underdeliver. And fuck yes, SMS ows us something. People are not rich, and many gamers have to save money in order to purchase a game. If you save money for a game, it means you cant use that money to buy other games, and if the release date keeps moving to the future, it means that your saved moeny is being useless, specially if they decide to end up delivering nothing. SMS communicated themselves as a gamer based bussiness, but as we can see in the end, they do not give a fuck about gamers, they do not care what effect their actions had over them. And again, if you can distinguish between worth supporting developers and non worth supporting developers, you should be able to see that SMS is a non worth supporting developer. And dont misunderstand me, i get that games some times get longer than expected to be released, and i accept that, it is sometimes what makes the difference between a real game and a beta/dlc game, but the fact of not releasing the game is what pisses me of. It feels as if a chick would start to get naked a suggest you dirty stuff, and then ran away before even touching you. Fuck that, and that is exactly what SMS does.
And you don’t think some things wouldn’t have changed about the game over the course of a few years? Some things like algorithms can change. They can become more complex, more details or specific to circumstances…. It happens. This is what appears to be the case with project cars. It underwent so much change that not all the pieces fit the mold anymore.
“Graphics”; these updated visuals, were a selling point Nintendo used to advertise the Wii U. Writing that it isn’t is essentially a slap in the face to some of the more ‘beautiful’ games gamers and Nintendo advertised on the Wii U like Pikmin 3, and Mario Kart 8. The visuals of a game are one of the core features in Wii U games, which is unlike the situation Nintendo made with the Wii where creating good visuals was difficult on the platform. It may as well not be the highest priority, but it most certainly is a contributing factor to those who would buy a Wii U over a Wii.
Iif the Wii U was a healthy platform to make money off of, Project Cars wouldn’t be the only racing simulator pending/being developed for the Wii U. Competition drives innovation and production, after all.
I think your statement on over promising and not delivering is pretty obvious, which is why this lends credibility to the idea that Slightly Mad Studios did not anticipate this issue.
“And fuck yes, SMS ows us something. People are not rich, and many gamers have to save money in order to purchase a game. If you save money for a game, it means you cant use that money to buy other games, and if the release date keeps moving to the future, it means that your saved moeny is being useless, specially if they decide to end up delivering nothing. ”
No, they really don’t. The flaw in your logic is in the fact that the saved up money cannot be used, which isn’t really a sound argument or fact. Not everyone is rich, but if you spend said money, it doesn’t mean you cannot start saving said money again. All it means is it will take longer to save up for the game. With no sound release date, but still ETA 2015, if you have other priorities, then you can fulfill those priorities and leave buying this game for later. At the end of the day it still doesn’t mean they owe you anything whatsoever.
“SMS communicated themselves as a gamer based bussiness, but as we can see in the end, they do not give a fuck about gamers, they do not care what effect their actions had over them. And again, if you can distinguish between worth supporting developers and non worth supporting developers, you should be able to see that SMS is a non worth supporting developer.”
And obviously the majority of gamers that came in contact with them like them. This is just a specific situation with the Wii U and the Nintendo fanbase; and those within the Nintendo fanbase that hold a grudge against them for some reason despite the far majority of them probably never having even contributed to the initial funding of this game. I myself have no problem with you not supporting these developers, but I find your reasoning to be mostly faulty and a lot of information is missing from this discussion, which doesn’t help.
I’m beginning to see that this back and forth squabble will continue to go on indefinitely until one of us gets tired, and I can see this because both of our perspectives on developer treatment differ. Not significantly, but to a degree where in this situation it’s hard to come to an agreement. However, in this circumstance, your information is incomplete and this will not help this debate. That is why I’m going to suggest that you look into the source of this article (here on My Nintendo News; it is the one that links to the official project cars forums), read that thread (especially Ian Bell’s posts, or only his at the very least), and then read the two other threads on this same issue (likewise, his posts bare minimum reading) on the forum and then come back and give me a reply. Those threads are not deleted yet, nor are they locked and there are more details than what this article, and other articles, actually cover. I’m sure discussions in those threads will continue throughout today too, but in case they are deleted because of idiotic Nintendo fans bombarding the developers with hate posts, I would recommend to actually read them before that happens. Lots of good information is noted in them. Some of it is actually Wikipedia worthy, IMO.
Just writing this so you can at least give me a good reply. I’m at an advantage in this discussion, so I think it’s fair to at least allow a leveling of a playing field.
Our priorities in life are different. You accept your understanding of the situation that SMS is facing as an excuse for not launching the game. And you use that understanding to deffend that they are not unworthy developers. I on the other hand, consider firstly that businesses are people, people that agree on certain decisions. And as people they are responsible of their actions. If a person sets himself a goal, and brags about how he is going to be very succesful at achieiving his goal, but ends up backing ofg, that is an unworthy person in regard to that goal. For me, worthy people are those that do not give up, those that face problems as opportunities, and try to get the best out of them. And up to a few months ago, SMS acted as worthy people, but as we have seen, it was just a mask. The difference between worthy developers and unwordy developers is that worthy developers give it their best to make gamers have fun. Talking so much and so mighty about the wii u version and then saying “you know what.. Maybe we will launch it in a console that might launch in 2 years” is showing no respect for wii u gamers, even if you understand the whole situation going on. A man can kill another man, and you can still analise the situations and find a lot of reasons that explain why that man killed the other, and even feel compasion for the person that killed the other, but that does not cancel the fact that killing is wrong. Therefore, look at the big picture, wich is: over hipe, long delays, and suggesting to launch it in an unanaunced console. So yeah, SMS can be nice people but as developers they are unworthy.
You’re taking this moral argument beyond where I thought it will go… *sigh*.
First off, I take it you ignored what I wrote above, and didn’t even bother to check the references since you completely ignored what I wrote to you previously. I also take it you have never programmed before either. If you did, you would probably be able to not base your entire argument off of moral grounds, and insert actually meaningful and on-topic/relevant material.
Now then, off to my rebuttal: A child is unable to move due to a clinical diagnosis and their body, from top to bottom, is paralyzed. They are placed in a situation where they are asked to walk 5 steps, but they cannot. They cannot complete this task, and are unable to make the best of this situation. Are you imply this child is unworthy of completing this goal when they are incapable of doing it under these circumstances? Since, you know, a worthy person is someone ” that do not give up, those that face problems as opportunities, and try to get the best out of them.” by your definition. In this situation, this child is unable to even attempt the challenge, and cannot fit any bit of it, so thus they must be unworthy to walk?
Here is another contradiction: You are a software developer, and are told that you must create a program that identifies if a user has pressed the enter key. The program exists and works; the computer screen exists and can be used to visually see the results, but there is no method of pressing enter as a keyboard does not exist, nor does a mouse exist. Thus the program is useless for this person. And thus, they are incapable of trying their hardest as the program is made in a specific way that it cannot be modified. Since there is no mouse or keyboard, it cannot be modified anyways. Is this the fault of the user or circumstance? Or would this be a hardware problem?
People are indeed responsible for their actions, and it is quite clear that the developers vision outgrew what the hardware was even capable of. They stated what they wanted to do, they included platforms to get it done on…. However, for them to now come out and state that they are having trouble seems perfectly normal. They aren’t giving up on releasing the game on the Wii U, as it was NOT cancelled, so thus they are still “worthy” developers, by your definition, as they are still attempting. But, if they stop attempting and move it to more powerful hardware, if the opportunity arises, they are automatically “unworthy” because their vision nolonger coincides with the capabilities of a platform that they considered dropping previously? If you read the forum posts, you would have known that the Wii U version was suppose to be dropped a long time ago, as voted by the investors/backers, but the developers were against it.
You make absolutely no reference to the idea that a person (or a company in this case) is no longer capable of redeeming themselves or its self after its inability top conduct something. The child who cannot walk now has an exoskeleton that allows them to walk. Are they suppose to be congratulated because they are now worthy of walking, or are they still unworthy of walking despite the fact that they are walking? It sounds ugly to say it like that, as it makes it sounds like the person saying it is above and beyond that of the others. They are so far beyond another that they, themselves, can say that someone else is worthy of this because they, themselves, say so.
In this particular matter, you are condemning Slightly Mad Studios as not being worthy. You’re not saying the game they made isn’t worth buying, but you are condemning the action that they must take when they are faced with a problem. As programmers WE attempt to solve things, and WE try quite hard to solve problems we are faced with. As programmers it is our job to be problem solvers, and you completely ignore the underlining principle of this notion and subjugate it with your own, lacking and uninformed, understanding.
I gave you a chance to read up on this stuff so you would post a worth while argument. So far, this is disappointing. If you even read the source of this article, you would have known that the developers actually tried a bunch of things in a attempt to get the Wii U version up and running, and to be comparable with the other versions currently available. The end result is: They weren’t able to do it. The game changed several times over the course of development, and the original tire physics engine they were running got a complete overhaul later on in development that requires the use of 2/3 of the Wii U’s CPU cores during gameplay, with the current build. Compared to the previous system they had in place, this newer one is several times more straining than the other. Furthermore, I wouldn’t doubt other things changing since Slightly Mad Studios gave points to the Wii U version. Yes, it is indeed their fault for overvaluing the capabilities of the console, but at the time they stated those points they were not overvaluing it. For their budget, and for what they were doing at the time it worked out, as quite clearly there wouldn’t have been any need for them to say anything about the Wii U version previously, but for you to condemn the developers despite their efforts is essentially a contradiction in your own statement or belief. They have conducted themselves as so, but if they fail, then they are “unworthy”? So, I should then be assuming that if you try then you must succeed to be worthy. If you try and fail, you are therefore unworthy.
“If a person sets himself a goal, and brags about how he is going to be very succesful at achieiving his goal, but ends up backing ofg, that is an unworthy person in regard to that goal.”
That is too idealistic. If a person brags about how they are going to be successful at this goal, then that means they have full intentions of trying to complete this goal. If they suddenly go away from the goal, then that means they have either attempted the goal and failed, or analyzed the situation and find that they cannot do it. In this situation, in regards to Slightly Mad Studios, they have clearly expressed that they have tried. So, your analogy also falls flat.
A man kills a man out of self defense; another man kills another man by accident. Killing is still wrong, but in both situations can the killer be blamed and now called “unworthy” of living because they took someone elses’ life? An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth…. If the goal in life is to live, then are the killers unworthy to live?
Need For Speed Most Wanted U was delayed for Wii U, but it was still released later on. Are the developers “worthy”? Ubisoft delayed Rayman Legends and added additional content to the game while making it multiplatform. They also created a challenge app that was exclusive to the Wii U. Are they “worthy”? Nintendo released Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze for the Wii U. It contained a game breaking glitch that would halt your progress on the game at a specific point, and didn’t fix it for months. Is Nintendo “worthy”?
If you attempt to use the monetary argument in terms of “worth”, then your argument will also fall flat as you explicitly stated the developers themselves are not worthy, not their product. If you attempt to state that Nintendo is “worthy”, then Slightly Mad Studios is also “worthy” which defeats your point. If you deny Slightly Mad Studio’s attempt and current situation, then you contradict your belief as they are, by your definition, “worthy”.
It’s good to have simple morals, but if you try to apply complex definition-type morals, you’re only going to end up changing those morals more often than not. If you attempt to keep your definition-based moral, then you will eventually contradict yourself and be categorized as a hypocrite…. It would have been much easier if you just read the source material and gave me a decent discussion instead of giving me some moral-based argument that you’re now locked into.
The kid who cant walk doesn’t apply, beause he has not been creating expectations of how fast he will run in the future. For him the challenge is how to move fluidly with a wheel chair, and from there he defines his opportunities. The wii u version was not a port, therefore it did not need to be similiar nor include the same options as the other versions. Therefore, if you find a problem when developing, then you overcome the obstacle. And if that means, less graphics, less light effects, lesss cars on the course and many less options, then let it be, people who buy wii u are well aware of its limitations. I am not saying that they are unworthy for creating hipe or for delaying the game, I totally get that, it always happens, but what pisses me off is that they suggested moving it to an unnanouced console. That is the fact that makes them unworthy after all of what they had said and done. And unworthy is not a permanent title. People can self improve, and become better and more skilled. SMS as a business has not delivered what they said they will, and they have played that long game for a while. I have never complained about SMS nor their delays and I ahve waited patiently, but what has made me outrage is this last article, which clearly, is a punch on the face, because suggesting NX is just absurd, and I still can’t see how you deffend moving the game to NX as something that makes sense either for gamers or for SMS.
If expectations play into whether or not someone is worthy or unworthy, doesn’t it also imply that because they are unable to accomplish something they are unworthy? Again, if the child is given an exoskeleton, or some kind of item that would allow the child to walk, does this imply that the child is now worthy to walk or still unworthy to walk? This was kind of the point I was driving home in my very long post above. It’s a contradiction. A child who cannot walk now walks, but the fact of the matter is to question if they are worthy or unworthy to walk as they are still challenged… If you deny their worth to walk, then you pose the point that the child doesn’t deserves to walk. If you acknowledge the worth to walk, then the child cannot still perform the task without aid, as they cannot try their ‘hardest’, and the challenge still exists in front of them. But if there are expectations of this child not being needed to walk, is that not the same as saying they are unworthy to walk? If they cannot try to walk, that still fits the argument that they are not worthy to walk.
“The wii u version was not a port, therefore it did not need to be similiar nor include the same options as the other versions. ”
The problem with this, and I’ll use your point of expectations, is simple: Nintendo fans, especially for this generation, have been overly sensitive about third party games. Some third party games did not perform well and as a result many voice that dislike, and now hatred, towards third parties. And all because the Wii U version did not perform as good as the other platform versions of multiplatform titles. The problem with this is, while you may not be expecting it, others clearly are. Many people still believe that the Wii U is as capable of a machine as the PS4 and XB1 is. I’m sure if you’ve spent time around Nintendo fans posting, there is definitely some deniers who would preach that the Wii U is as capable as those other platforms and no amount of ‘proof’ would indicate otherwise.
If that is what it takes to get their vision to work out, then that is their choice. Remember, they are the developers, and you are the customer. If they wanted to undercut the Wii U, they would release it at 720p, 23fps; or they would release it dumbed down, which is probably what one of the major debates they are having currently. The above situation of expectations people have for this game; and the expectations the developers themselves put on themselves for this game is pretty clear. Read the forums. They refuse to release the game in its current state, and their target and goal was 720p, 30fps. Just as it was 2 years ago.
If you’re patient, then what sense is there to argue or be angry about it right now when it’s not even confirmed to be cancelled yet? For gamers it makes little sense; for Slightly Mad Studios it makes a lot of sense. They have the money that can do it; the Wii U has not really improved in sales, third party games do not sell well on the platform… There is enough demerits to ignore the Wii U entirely, IMO. Whatever excuse given does not erase its track record for business owners who see it as a risky proposition. Just as Nintendo fans do not trust third parties; third parties do not trust Nintendo nor Nintendo fans to buy their products.
Also, just a point to make: Mr. Bell never actually mentioned the NX specifically until he was asked about it specifically. All he said was ‘new hardware’ (not exact quote; I don’t feel like looking for it), but he never mentioned NX himself until well after he stated the situation. If no hardware announcement comes, then they try again with the Wii U version, and if all else fails, then it really is up in the air. The game could get cancelled, could get dumbed down and released or something. I don’t know, but what I do know is that the situation with this game is very unclear right now, but it will be even worse if they cannot get the Wii U version working without lots of features/effects/specifications being simplified or removed entirely.
I’m defending their decision because I think it would be a justified decision, and not a spur of the moment made. They’ve obviously thought a lot about it, and they didn’t have to come out and say anything about this matter, but they did. Specifically Mr. Bell wanted to be truthful, and this is what happens when you are with gamers: You get shit on if things aren’t going well. It doesn’t pay to be truthful.
Dude, they do not deserve the title of wii u developers, because they cant develop for wii u because as a team they lack the skill needed to debelop a game for wii u. Therefore, that is exacly the definition of someone who is not worth for developing a game for wii u. How is that so comolex to understand? You constanly asume that the game is not being realeased because of techbical problems, instead of seeing it as a lack of skill of SMS. I mean, have you ever done anything that requieres skilk? Because if you have, you should be able to distibguish people who are worth for the task and peopke who are not. And SMS is no worth for the task of debeloping a wii u game.
In addition, if you had any knowledge of business and marketibg, you would know that commubication is part of what the business is presenting as solution for your need. Basically the solution if formed of price, product, placing and promotion (commubication). SMS has promoted the game and generated hype. Therefore they are responsible for the effect of their commubication. The same way a business is respobsible for their pollution and effects, businesses are responsible for their communications and its effects.
“Dude, they do not deserve the title of wii u developers, because they cant develop for wii u because as a team they lack the skill needed to debelop a game for wii u. Therefore, that is exacly the definition of someone who is not worth for developing a game for wii u. How is that so comolex to understand? You constanly asume that the game is not being realeased because of techbical problems, instead of seeing it as a lack of skill of SMS. I mean, have you ever done anything that requieres skilk? Because if you have, you should be able to distibguish people who are worth for the task and peopke who are not. And SMS is no worth for the task of debeloping a wii u game.”
So far they haven’t shown they cannot develop a game for the Wii U. They have had previous builds of the game running on the Wii U, I’m pretty sure. That is why they do stand to be capable developers for even making it happen. No less, changing your tone from “developers” in general to “Wii U developers” still won’t make any difference as that calls into question the fact that anyone can be a “wrothy” Wii U developer if they bring a game over to the Wii U, even if it doesn’t run properly or is, as people say, ‘gimped’. And besides, Slightly Mad Studios has noted that they can get the Wii U version running, but it doesn’t run at the expectations that they have stated for themselves. Instead of 30fps, it runs at 23fps. They find that unacceptable, and so do a lot of other people too.
If I told someone I were to release a video game on PC, it would be a lack of skill as I have no qualifications nor absolute knowledge of game design. I do, however, have knowledge of programming, specifically a few different programming languages. Considering the fact that they made a video game that is highly regarded as a great simulator, it being unable to run on the Wii U as they intended cannot be fully the fault of the software engineers. It’s like telling current software engineers to make Windows 8.1 run on a machine built for Windows 98. The chances of it running well aren’t high in its base form because it doesn’t meet the minimal requirements. To make it run properly they may have to strip away features that make up what is, in essences, Windows 8.1…. The software greatly outpaces what the hardware is capable of, as with what I believe happened with the Wii U. They thought it would work out, but it didn’t end up working as they hoped.
The hype they gathered is of their own. As I stated above they are responsible for that; however, this does not mean that they should be trashed when they haven’t even stated, factually, that the game is cancelled with certainty. And this is where the criticism is unfairly justified. It is still in development, but on hold until after E3.
As for your second post, these things are handed by the publisher, not the developer. They publisher handles marketing, and pricing, and advertisement in most cases (there exists times where advertising from the publisher doesn’t exist!). However, I do think Slightly Mad Studios could have communicated this better, but in the end I also don’t think so, as it is pretty clear that even being truthful doesn’t help the situation. Most people are greatly over reacting about this, and in heindsight, it is pretty clear that most people aren’t even saying they were looking forward to this game. Most people are just hating on the developers for a design choice that they made themselves, which is technically their own fault, but in another way it is also not their fault, as it goes to show how dated Nintendo’s hardware is now. They share some blame, but not nearly as much blame as what you and other push onto them. At least, IMO.
Unfortunately, I can’t seem to reply to your other posts directly, probably due to a on-site reply limit, so I’ll reply for whatever remainder this debate has. And wherever it ends, it ends.
Nintendo definitely hyped up the U, and I fell for it too. What happened to all those things they showed us at E3 a few years back, all the peripherals and stuff? Like the sniper scope attachment for the gamepad to use for shooters? Iwata personally said he didn’t think there would be much difference in power between the U and the other systems. There’s enough difference where the U games are not as full, and are clearly downgrades. They promised dual gamepad support (let’s be serious, all four players should be able to use a gamepad, and if your system isn’t powerful enough to support that, it’s just not powerful enough for the tech period). Honestly though I want a system with no gamepad after using it. All in all nintendo really soured me this gen.
we all agree that their sistem is not powerful enough, but it is not power what makes good games. The 16bit Sonic games are still hundreds of times better than high tech HD 1080p super realistic modern Sonic games. I though we alredy had the graphics debate in the Wii era, and the conclusion was that fun gameplay has more priority than graphics. I agree though that nintendo should have pushed their peripherals, I love that toyish stuff. And about the dual gamepad, I always though they should just allow a 3ds to work as the second gamepad (or third or fourth). And about the wii u hype on the side of nintendo… Mario Kart+decent dlc+ 200cc update + extra game for buying mario kart = hundres of hours of quality fun. Smash bros is more of the same and Splatoon will suposedly do the same. We also got the bayonetas (which i dislike) and many quality platformers plus the most decent online store for games. Stop comparing consoles based on their graphics and raw power, because game that make full use of that do not necesarily are better games. And this is my opinion, but I think all players prefers no lag before detailed graphics. And if you preffer graphics to no lag, then please tell me why you bought the wii u.
Sonic sucking is sega’s fault, not the graphics. Sonic Adventure 1 & 2 were great. But it just went downhill from there. Mario Kart and Smash are two games you listed, Bayonetta which you don’t even like, and a few others. Splatoon won’t be smash or kart, maybe SOMEWHAT close but nowhere truly near. Anyway there is a drought. That is my point. Cause Nintendo can’t do it alone. They need 3rd party. These droughts are ridiculous. And to get 3rd party, they need the power. And yea smash and kart are fun, but they shouldn’t be the only thing to play. Hyrule Warriors and some other good games, but honestly it’s pretty barren. I prefer no lag first, wii u has lag, and doesn’t have the best graphics so I don’t see your point there. You have to buy the system to play it and see if there is no lag. PS3 didn’t lag for me. So how was I to know that the wii u smash would lag, one thing that so many brawl fans hated. So please tell what if any of your points even hold up cause I don’t think they do. And fuck the 3ds, it’s so damn uncomfortable. It’s a rectangle. It is not shaped for hands at all, and extended play causes lots of pain. I never had arthritis in my life till I played Mario Kart on the 3ds. If they don’t have a better shaped handheld next gen, I certainly ain’t buying it.
I remember when ppl use to discuss Nintendo news topics on this site… Oh wait no I don’t, cause NOBODY EVER DOES! All you guys do is argue for goodness sake! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCSye-F3o_I
Heh. As I said on Miiverse on a Wii U news post:
Wow. Congratulations, Slightly Mad Studios! You just showed yourselves as liars & thieves! *clap* Anyone with a brain & some sense will know you’ve been lying about the Wii U version from Day 1. I guess this is what happens when you sell your soul to a big studio like Bandai Namco. So when will you guys sell out to EA when you need someone to pull you out of the gutter?
What I didn’t say & is new material for this site: After all, EA would love to buy you & your game so they can bury yet another competitor to their own franchises, like Need for Speed which will be a direct competitor with Project CARS on consoles they support.
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