According to Cnet Senior Editor Scott Stein, even though it still lacks built-in physical buttons and analog sticks, the recently released iPhone 5 is the best gaming phone. Stein believes the iPhone is “getting awfully close” to trump the hardware of both the PlayStation Vita and Nintendo 3DS. Stein also claims that gamers may hate to admit it, but Apple’s iPhone was always a great gaming handheld.
Back before the iPhone 5 was a known quantity, back before we even knew it was definitely going to have a larger screen, the iPhone was already a great gaming handheld. Millions of people know that. Gamers may hate to admit it, because the iPhone lacks physical buttons. It doesn’t matter.
What the iPhone did to mobile gaming has reverberated across the industry, forcing the Nintendo 3DS and PlayStation Vita into catch-up mode, battling for second and third place. Free-to-play and the very concept of redownloadable gaming apps — not to mention the rebirth of indie development — can all be traced to Apple’s App Store and this little handheld device.
How does the iPhone 5 compare as a gaming handheld? It’s the best Apple’s ever had, but it may be the best any phone maker’s ever made, too.That’s not to say the iPhone doesn’t have a few issues. Its lack of physical buttons and that smaller screen began to feel cramped compared with the latest handhelds from Nintendo and Sony. Physical buttons or no, the screen of many iPhone games can become riddled with virtual, cluttered button dashboards. Some elegant games bypass this, but many don’t.
Can’t play Mario, Zelda, Metorid, Pokemon, F-Zero, SSB, Kid Icarus, and every other Nintendo Exclusive and First Party on an iPhone.
Don’t forget Wii U integration.
All this and more for 169.99.
Try again Apple.
I also don’t see iPhone hosting any popular titles on it.
It has very few. But nothing compared to what Sony and Nintendo’s handhelds get.
I mean, look at this list for October:
http://gamerxchange.net/2012/10/01/new-game-releases-october-2012/
Just to name a few games for 3DS and Vita in October alone:
Pokemon Black and White Version 2
Code of Princess
Spy Hunter
Silent Hill: Book of Memories
Smart As
Street Fighter X Tekken (with all DLC and BUTTONS)
Zero Escape: Virtue’s Last Reward
etc. etc. etc.
Now, how many games are people eagerly anticipating in October or any other month for that matter?
Yeh , Nintendo more than sony atm are immune from competition die to their franchises . Of course people are gunna keep buying pokemon , mario , zelda etc . You cannot get it elsewhere so you have no choice , thats what people want and what kids want for christmas .
Sony also have these franchises , but they’re not as popular atm . look at mario kart wii and MK7 , they just sell and sell and sell . LBPK isn’t the same.
Look at smash bros brawl its the best selling fighting game ever . PSAS won’t even do half….
Sony are in trouble , Nintendo is Immune atm thats my point of view. 3DS has unique features that iphone cannot do , so its none comparable.
Now, how many iphone games* I meant.
That’s not really a big deal to some folks, though.
Not everyone is enchanted or enjoys Nintendos titles, and that’s perfectly fine.
Though I don’t see iPhone hosting any big popular titles that aren’t even from Nintendo or Sony.
Not really looking then, are you?
Ghost Trick/Ace Attorney/Resident Evil 4 – Capcom games that were in the maintream console libraries – all also with iPhone variations.
But they’re still not as popular as on dedicated gaming systems.
They’ve generally sold well enough for Capcom to keep making them alongside the main versions.
3 Games? Lol we’re talking about gaming here and you’re settling for 3 games? All of which are old ports?
Hey, you just wanted to know about games that were hosted there – you never stated any conditions about how new/unique they were.
Guess I should have stuck with my Gameboy then >_>
RE4 on phone regardless iOS or Android is a disgrace. The game is just plain awful. The only game which I personally think it’s best in terms of game feel and playability is Final Fantasy 3. Then again it’s just a port from the DS version. Anyway pointless to waste time on people that keep arguing phone / tablet gaming is great. 99% of the games on phones and tablets are just time waster (in a bad way). I change my phone every now and then too. From all version of iPhones as well as Galaxy Note and S3. But even with those devices, playing games on it is the last thing I would ever want to do. I swear the only time I would do that is only when 1. I dont have my handheld with me and I am waiting for someone in the public for a long time. So one who can say phone and tablet games matches those on dedicated handhelds are just some no taste “gamer”. I would say its even an insult to put a gamer tag on them.
Microsoft either for that matter ( i HATE Xbox and love nintendo don’t get me wrong lol)
Nor any of Sony’s great games.
Try again Apple, indeed.
Yes that too.
EXACTLY
On a jailbroken iphone yes u can
If your jailbroken
The software is lacking, so it has never really been a good gaming device.
Not to mention the only input is the touch-screen and its motion controlls.
…For about five minutes….
It’s very hard for me to understand why PS Vita or 3DS can’t run games from Google Play or App Store. I want The Walking Dead? Can’t have it. I want Angry Birds? No can do. How about Fruit Ninja? Nope.
Aren’t they suposed to be the master gaming hardwares? Then why can’t they offer me these games? or at least similar experiences?
Wtf?!
You should ask the developers of the games to port it to the 3DS then. Btw, a super-expensive version of Angry Birds is coming to the 3DS.
Why do I need to ask them? Can’t they see there’s demand?
Obviously not much of a demand. There’s also this little thing called costs. It takes time and money to port games over and remap controls. Plus they need to review the demand for it to see if it would sell. Not all games on the app store and Google play will sell enough to break even.
So, you’re basically saying, it costs less to launch the same game on a phone than on a dedicated portable gaming machine
And you think there’s nothing wrong with that?
It does cost less. How many iPhones are owned? How many 3DSes are owned? So math indicates more people have iPhones. So they can sell a game at 99 cents, more people will buy it. Sell the same game on a 3DS, same price, you won’t get the same ratio of sales. Even though it’s “cheap” the core gamers likely wouldn’t buy the title.
When you create a product, you look at the costs and how to spread out the costs of development. iPhones are easier to develop for, there is less items to worry about like mapping buttons. Dev kits are probably a lot less too. So to spread out the costs, you can get a product price. Say there’s only 1 million iPhones and 200,000 3DS. You can charge less for the game since there will be more people buying it on an iPhone.
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with it, I don’t want my eShop inflated with garbage. there’s always a cost to something. It’s how it’s being spread out and applied and how the company wants revenues > costs.
Just like Kamek said. And don’t forget that those games for cell phones are indie games: games developed by a limited number of people. But for true gaming consoles like PSVita and 3DS, there are entire teams working hard to make those games perfect.
Ubisoft said it costs about $1 million to port a game, and other developer said it costs around $400,000 to develop a demo for an idea of a game (imagine how much it costs to develop the game itself). Indie games are much smaller than “normal” games, and having less developers make the distribution of the profits higher for everyone involved.
And let’s not forget that the space left on the cell phone for games is limited due to all the other functions that occupy space. So, all games must be small in terms of space, while games for 3DS and PSV have 4GB+ space dedicated to games in one cartridge per game!
I’m sorry and I don’t mean it in a bad way, but Kamek is wrong. The BIGGEST reason why we don’t see apps on the 3DS and VITA are because Apple has a monopoly not only on mobile technology, but also on the developers of its franchises. If you make a contract with them, they will do everything in their power to stop you from leaving, because in the end it’s their business, and they’re money hungry bastards. The 3DS and VITA both have app stores, and both can just as easily be developed for, downloadable games for the DSi and 3DS can both cost next to almost nothing just like the mobile industry, but it would not be in Apple’s biggest interest to let that happen. They have a grip over the new developers as developing for GAMING handhelds is THOUGHT to be expensive, so automatically indies will flock to mobile platforms in order to make more money. IF anything it’s their brainwashing of the popular mass, and their douchebag tactics to put their name on everything they find, stumping technological growth from other companies, that isn’t letting innovation push forward, and both the 3DS and VITA be developed for by more talented indie devs.
Alot of the games you mentioned are free on the phones. I would not pay for any of those games. Fruit ninja is on the xbox w/kinect but to me thats a waste of money since I have that on my android which Ive played a handful of times. Compared to the games on the eshop phones cant compare. RE4 on the iphone was horrific, and I bought it and felt ripped off. Never again
in the first place, they can keep angry birds on phones and tablets. we got much better games in our dedicated gaming handhelds be it Vita or 3DS.
And this is why nobody considers people like you gamers.
You guys like “on the fly” gaming while PS Vita and 3DS owners like core gaming.
I’m a gaming journalist, people usually call me a gamer
If you’re a gaming journalist you should know perfectly well why that isn’t feasible.
It’s completly doable, there’s no interest
You’re an idiot.
It’s more expensive, you’d have to port the entire game to each console, and hope that the money spent on porting would be recouped in purchase sales. Games sold on mobiles are not as profitable on handheld consoles, the market is totally different. The 99c price is impossible on handhelds and that’s what makes most iPhone games purchase-worthy. Want more reasons?
Yes, I must be an idiot, as it costs more to launch a game on a game machine, than on a phone
Wait, that didn’t make any sense
Do you not understand business? Apparently not.
And people wonder how smartphones are taking away the gaming public
There’s nothing being taken away, the industry has expanded. Since there will always be casual gamers (those that enjoy their mobile phone games) and core gamers (those that enjoy immersive gaming experiences on dedicated machines/devices) there is a market for both. It’s a lot easier to play for small periods of time since you always have your phone on you. But if you want to experience something greater and has more depth, then you go to the dedicated device devoted to providing those experiences for you.
As long as there’s a demand for core experiences, NIntendo, Sony and MS will be fine. As long as Apple keeps turning out iPhones, the casual market will be fine. They live together and co-exist. One doesn’t replace the other.
That’s like saying the sports cars are doomed because a Honda is so much cheaper and does the same things (drives from point A to B). There is so much more to why people want Corvettes, Lamborghinis and the like, just like people want a dedicated gaming device/console.
Ppl dont buy phones to game they buy them to have twiter and facebook on the go thats a fact
There will be people that switch between the 2 categories, there will be those that abandon one completely. That’s how (all) the market works.
More install base does not defnitely make things as doable as you think. There are some good examples out there. Wii is known to have the largest install base as compared to 360 and PS3. It is cheaper to develope on Wii too since developing on HD consoles tend to cost more. But does that means it is doable to port all those AAA titles from 360/PS3 to Wii? The answer is no. Not because the system is not capable of doing so, if we talk about real game play over graphics, it still make sense to downscale the graphics but yet bring the core game play in the port. But why isnt it happening? By the way… Wii despite being the largest install base actually have the worst software attach rate when compared to 360 and PS3. Your argument is just retarded.
Are you for real? How the hell does someone like you gets to be a game journalist?
Um…. Look harder. Tons of games that you can find from Google Play and the Apple App Store are also on Nintendo and Sony handhelds (and even their console counterparts).
Not only that, Sony’s PlayStation Mobile has allowed it so that developers and publishers can cross-publish games for Android devices and Vita.
If I can’t find a game on my phone, makes sense to buy a dedicated portable gaming machine
But what sense does it make if my dedicated portable gaming machine makes me buy a phone to play certain games?
IOS AND ANDROID GAME FUCKING SUCK COMPARED TO NINTENDO AND SONY GAMES . THERE ISN’T EVEN A 1% COMPARSION.
Makes perfect sense to me. I want dedicated Nintendo titles, why are they not on the Vita? Same concept. It’s up to the developers. If they don’t port it from the app store/Google Play to the 3DS eShop or Playstation store, then they won’t be available. Same reason Nintendo titles are not on the app store/Google Play/Playstation Store. Not all games are on both Google Play and app store as it is.
NO MOBILE GAMING ALLOWED
Just ignore this video. Im kinda of a troll when it comes to videos.
If you’re serious, it’s called licensing issues.
However, I suspect I can safely tell you to get back under your bridge.
1. Nintendo can’t legally put Google Plat or the App Store on their consoles without talking to Google or Apple about it.
2. What do you think the E-Shop is for?
3. Actually, you can play Angry Birds on the 3DS.
……wait, are you legitimately serious?
I mean, what the fuck? Is this you?
http://images.memewow.com/memes/4/606/idiot-nerd-girl-i-m-a-hardcore-gamer-i-play-video-games-all-the-time_thumb.jpg
Ditto. I was rather disgusted to learn that EA will never put more Surviving High School games on the 3DS. I don’t have a smartphone nor will I get one in the near future.
Angry Birds Trilogy is out now for 3DS.
Yeah but the iPhone gets updated every year while handhelds usually get updated every 2-3 years at least. Just wait until the successor of 3DS. It will outdo any mobile platform at first while others catch up later.
And people complain if you suggest a smaller life cicle…
If nintendo could make a new 3DS every 2 years, with the same API but more powerful, then iPhone would never be a threat (not that I think it is now).
You said it best.
The problem there is that consoles are built around a 5-6 year life cycle. Without that a proper grasp on their technology and large install base isn’t possible. Mobiles are different, they can be refreshed yearly with no significant issue because their focus is not on games, and it’s easy enough to maintain backward compatibility and such. People expect longer lives and bigger leaps between console generations.
They can’t afford to crap out refreshes like that, the core userbase would be subjected to…
Surprise!
Hardware fragmentation. If it continues to get more powerful and developers take advantage of that hardware boost, what happens to older 3DS? They’re left in the dust and the performance suffers. It’s an idiotic idea. Phones can get away with it for a reason, since gaming isn’t their priority. Try playing Sonic 4 Episode II for example on a 3GS, the framerate drop renders it nearly unplayable.
Sorry, but you’ll never see performances enhancements in redesigns beyond extra RAM, which was never actually used for games anyway.
Which explains why it doesn’t happen.
Nintendo is not going to release a 3DS successor that fast. Might as well let you know.
The 3DS also didn’t beat any significant phone when it launched specs-wise. In fact, it’s barely more powerful than the PSP-3000. The Vita on the other hand, did just that at launch, no phone could compete against it specs-wise and very few known ones continue to do in terms of GPU power.
The 3ds has a great GPU . 400MHZ . Its about 3 times as good as the psp overall . You know that and I know that unless you’re indenial. The 3ds has graphics that are twice as good as psp rendered in 3d and it has TONS of features like AR , 3D , Street pass , Touch screen , Dual screens , Gyroscope , Front and rear cameras , Games that people actualy like , and many others.
Overall the 3ds is better than the psvita let alone the psp .
remember how the ps2 was better than xbox even though xbox was twice as powerfull ??? yeh , well thats how the 3ds is better than the vita .
Every feature you listed for the 3DS aside from dual screens and 3D is on the Vita. Street pass could easily be implemented through a software update. Your point isn’t really valid.
BTW I own a 3DS and I don’t own a Vita, I’m just not biased.
No it is not “3 times as good as the PSP”. In fact, I’m not seeing any noticeably better performance when it comes to PSP games and 3DS games. The specs on paper shows exactly how mediocre it really is in terms of a “jump” as well. 3D alone doubles GPU load, by the way. So you’re not getting great performance unless games remove 3D entirely, which won’t be happening to retail titles anytime soon.
Also, I’m curious to see how many 3DS games look better than the likes of God of War PSP.
The PSVita absolutely demolishes the 3DS in specs. It’s not even a contest, it’s a curb stomping. You can stop living in dreamland and wake up, because the 3DS does virtually nothing signifly better on the hardware front. But hey, if you care about grainy cameras and a bit longer lasting battery on the lowest settings, then…cool, I guess?
*conveniently ignores the huge backlog of fantastic DS games and existing and forthcoming 3DS games that the 3DS has in it’s favour*
Seriously. The Vita is a powerful machine, I’ll be the first to admit that, but that’s useless if it has no good games on it.
This isn’t a software discussion if you could fucking read. So nice waste of a reply.
Ok,but even if you don’t think, 3ds is close to vita in graphics without 3d.The ram is more efficient than vita since it has vcram which is more efficient than vita……oh wait,if you don’t understand,then basically the 3ds’s ram is better.The 3ds has a pica2000 graphics card made in 2006,not old tech.
How many 3ds games look better than god of war ??
Mario 3d land , MK7 , resi rev , resi merc , Street fighter 4
, dead or alive dimensions , tekken 3d , Kingdom hearts ddd,
Kid icarus uprising , pes2012 , and many many many others.
DUDE. I . HAVE . A . PSP . I . HAVE . A . 3DS . ALSO .
THE . FUCKING 3DS lOOKS LIKE AN ENHANCED 3D WII
THE PSP LOOKS LIKE A GRAINY DREAMCAST .
the 3ds is about 3 times as good as psp if you take
the full sterescopic 3d into consideration.
DEAL WITH IT . its the same way the WIIU will be a lot
better than the ps3 , and you know it.
”Better graphics with 2 screens running at once”
”better graphics in stereoscopic 3d”
Thats called newer technology .
Dude even launch titles like Super monkey ball 3d look a lot better than psp graphics (ROFL).
Its jsut the way it is , you cannot tell of youtube , you have to do a side by side in HAND.
I did a side by side of Peace waker VS Revelations.
Revelations just looked about 4 times as good , no exagerations … just str8 up facts….
I did a metal gear 3d vs peace walker and guess who won, right metal gear 3d
3D Land doesn’t look better. MK7 sure as shit doesn’t, RE: Merc doesn’t, Street Fighter is a fucking fighter and a greatttt example against an adventure/platforming title that doesn’t have a closed for two characters to fit in with a static/poorly animated background, if you can see my fucking sarcasm in how stupid it is to use that as an example.
The 3DS does not look ANYTHING like the Wii’s best. You’re an idiot for thinking otherwise.
The 3ds has SURPASSED the wii plain and simple . Resident Evil revelations not only has better graphics and effects than ANYTHING on wii or xbox 1 but its 3d aswell . This is the same with Kid icarus uprising . Hell street fighter 4 is an SD 3D port of the 360 and ps3 game , it looks the fucking SAME . Street fighter 4 A 3DS LAUNCH TITLE has amazing graphics that are twice as good as psp , fighter or not .
here is a ”graphics timeline” for you .
psp<<<<<<ps2<<gamecube<<<xbox1<<wii<<<<3DS(at resi/kid icarus 3d full potential)<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<psvita<<<<<<<<<<<<360<<ps3<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<wiiu (:P)<<<gaming pc .
joke about wiiu btw :P , thats like
360<<<ps3<<<<<<<<wiiu
I’m not reading this wall of fanboy drivel with zero facts. The very fact that you said that it “surpassed” the Wii is horseshit in itself. Good day.
Yeh . Have you played resi rev or kid icarus ??? its way better graphics than the wii , no fucking question . Its plain and simple to see.
Good day sir ….. oh and its 3d aswell as being better .
hmmmm I guess its a no brainer .
You’re fucking stupid and indenial . good day sir.
Skip to 47:00 and watch the rest.
Galaxy 2 is a bigger and better designed game than 3d land , but other than that , the 3ds totaly has it trumped.
What were you saying or lying about Aeolus ?????
ok..lets get something clear. The 3ds is not way more powerful than the wii. If you look compare kid icarus to smash bros; you’ll see its very similar territory (after 3d effects). I’ll be the first to say that the games would definitely be above the wii if not for the 3D; which basically cuts the graphical potential in half
still…
nothing has surpassed skyward sword or mario galaxy 2 on the 3ds. The reason why on average 3ds games look better than some wii games is because
1) stronger suppport. (developers just try harder given that nintendo always had successful handhelds)
2) industry standard shader support. its just easier to get better visuals than it was on the wii.
3) smaller screen…..doesnt need anywhere near as much ram as the wii needs to get similar results
Yeah, it’s definitely not beating the Wii. But the PSP? The 3DS is running engines that the PSP could only dream of running, if it were remotely possible for a PSP to dream.
the wii could have done any of the games you see on the 3ds…its just a matter of developers not taking the time to or effort on the wii graphically
The XL’s graphics look like shit.
unfortunately I feel that your statement is a little fanboyish. 3DS is a great piece of hardware. Apart from it having glassless 3D (which is a gimmick since day 1). Maybe you love 3D in gaming but not for me. I never turn on 3D to play my games on 3DS. Only time I did is just to look at how it will look like and thats all. Thou I have a 3DTV, I dont use the 3D on my consoles either. Just as I have said, it is just another gimmicky thing. The selling point of 3DS is still because its from Nintendo and their software, end of story. But comparing the rest of the stuffs like AR, Street Pass, Touch Screen and etcs etcs to Vita and make claims that it is better than Vita. You must be smoking crack. Each of them does their own thing in a good way. To be honest, Vita actually trump 3DS in terms of hardware overall capability. Comparing a TFT screen to OLED? AR, Gyro are also in Vita, Neither of them are special. Touch screen? So you are saying Resistive is better than Capacitive? Then again I am not bashing 3DS. But you need to take back your unfair statement. I love my 3DS. So do I love my Vita. End of the day, I love both of them for gaming more than my phone. Thats the whole point.
The 3ds is better than the vita . And the 3d is awesome in my opinion , especialy on the XL , it makes the graphics looks awesome ….
The 3ds brough those features to the industry and vita just copied them .
The 3ds is the only handheld that matters .
Resistive touchscreen is better for a handheld than capacitive . Why would you need capacative ??? so you can enlarge an image with two fingers ??? thats a gimmik and a failed one .
At least on 3ds you can use a stylus and send hand written messages and use drawing applications like colors 3d and use it for tried and tested gaming formulas made ULTRA popular by the DS .
The 3ds is better than the vita overall . Mainly becuase of software support and first party .
I didn’t say Nintendo was going to release the successor in 2-3 years. I was talking on average they create an alternative “XL” version and wait about 5-6 years before releasing a successor. I was also saying when a new DS comes out it will be the best at the time and others will catch up eventually.
dem retards playing on iCraps
pretty much the IDontGiveAShit phones
Yeah, a lot of people play games to pass the time on their phones like iPhones. Still, it will never trump the dedicated handheld gaming market. Not any time soon at least.
There is still a massive market for dedicated gaming handhelds – Nintendo alone has shown that through their DS and 3DS in recent years. Sony’s PSP did wonderfully as well and the Vita still has room for growth.
Buttons, special features, community, gaming networks, and most importantly – games set these apart from the mobile phone games.
I mean… just look at some of the great games coming out for Vita and DS/3DS in October ALONE:
http://gamerxchange.net/2012/10/01/new-game-releases-october-2012/
SERIOUSLY?! My son has an iphone and I have a 3DS and a Vita. I wouldn’t give you a nickel to play a game on an iphone. I think someone started their office Christmas party early.
You wouldn’t have to give a nickle, many iOS games are free :)
It technically is somewhat there in terms of hardware. iPhone 5 uses the same GPU as the Vita (PowerVR’s SGX543MP4). I don’t know how the A6 compares to the processor on the Vita, though. The latter is a quad core processor underclocked to 800mhz, but apparently has the potential for 2ghz.
All that’s left now are the buttons, which already exist with third party add-ons: http://cdn3.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/2702394/ion_icade_mobile_4_1020_large_extra_large.jpg
Where art thou controls arguments? This applies to Android too.
Its a phone.
Who gives one?
People clearly do if there are numerous articles like this, idiot.
Oh you mean these articles by “tech journalists”, who try to sound like they know anything about gaming, when really they know nothing about gaming. As a gamer you should against something like this, so clealry, you’re just being a troll trying to get a reaction, because mummy and daddy wont pay attention to you anymore, or you have no idea what you’re actually talking about.
Implying you know these “tech journalists” personally to begin with. You’re a real sad piece of shit.
Fact of the matter is dedicated handhelds are on their way out, the evidence is all over the place. Developers now releasing iOS/Android versions of retail titles alongside retail games for 3DS/Vita for much lower costs, the sheer amount of free games you get on mobile, the very fact that a current smartphone can jump right into it for the I don’t know, HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of smartphone owners out there…list goes on and on.
Denialfaggotry is all you can do at this point, because your “pride” is being shit on from every direction on the mobile front.
God use common sense once in a while. I keep fucking saying, mobile games and handheld consoles are two totally different markets. They will never outdo each other because they cater to different people with different gaming desires. Until a mobile can replicate a handheld console’s experience exactly AND still be a great phone, or vice versa, they will never truly compete in any way shape or form.
Mobile games and handheld consoles are two different markets….
In…what significant fucking way? Both can be carried with you anywhere. Both have features beyond just gaming as well. However one is more than just LOLDEDICATEDGAMES and is more of a significant device to carry on the go. Tell me, how much people are carrying their wittle DS/PSP/3DS/PSV on them alongside mobile phones if they want a gaming fix?
Do you even know what was the point of handheld games? TO BE TAKEN AND PLAYED ANYWHERE ON A DEVICE WITH LONG BATTERY LIFE.
Now…as you can tell…smartphones have more than beaten handhelds in the battery department. While handhelds are….wait what?! DECLINING IN BATTERY LIFE.
So what’s the fucking point in handhelds? Lol, are you one of those types who always plays one with the charger still inside of it? Congratulations, you now have a megagimped console just to play some niche titles within your household. Cool.
Hey, thanks for making assumptions about me and totally ignoring the huger differences in experience that handheld gaming and mobile gaming offer, that really added to the discussion in a constructive, useful way.
I’m sorry but what? The experiences aren’t even that much different between smaller titles on both platforms, while major ones are more or less gimped only due to a lack of physical controls on the handset (which is possible to patch up with third party add-ons anywho…).
So what’s this vastly different experience? Handheld titles are now being ported to mobile with no signs of stopping. In fact GTA III is already on smartphones/tablets of all things.
Makes me wonder what happens if companies made more effort in slightly gaming oriented phones like the XPeria Play.
My favourite genre is an unplayable mess on the iPhone and others like it (and I know, because I’ve played all of the false dawn games on the iPhone in that genre that tech blogs hype up as being a sign of the end of traditional handhelds). It’s one of the few that definitely requires physical controls for precision.
That genre works like a dream on the 3DS and Vita though.
Oh yeah, those 3DS sales, that are outselling the DS in terms of the first 2 years. Just because the Vita is doing shit, doesnt mean that the rest of the handheld market is.
Mobile gaming is NOT a sustainable market for gaming, let alone even 10% as enjoy as full retial dedicated gaming. Its just $1/£1 games…
Based on castle defend flash games, from 10 years ago.
And to even run those iOS games that are “available” on other handhelds, you need a powerful smartphone, not even most iPhone can run TWEWY.
Of course mobile gaming is big. Everyone owns a phone. But its not even close to being in the same market, and anyone who categorises them as being the same is stupid, because theyre not. I dont clock 80+ in a fucking mobile game, but i’ll gladly clock 160+ into just 3 3DS games, and 100+ into ONE POKEMON GAME.
Unsustainable meaningless market. The handheld market hasnt “moved” to phone. Phones has just created their own market. Common. Fucking. Sense.
You don’t see the big picture do you? You realize the only reason 3DS is getting anywhere is thanks to Japan right? All of those titles that Japan gobble up in seconds is the biggest contributor here. I am telling you for a FACT that the 3DS is not doing any better than the DS did in the U.S. back then. Almost half of the 3DS sales are from JAPAN.
How long will this continue? Why are you even using this as an argument when for all you know, sales can eventually start to slump for the 3DS and the sales forecast doesn’t place it anywhere near the original DS line (and I doubt it will).
Oh and by the way, can you prove mobile isn’t sustainable? Is that why the market for mobile games continues to eat into the handheld market, with developers usually releasing some sort of iOS/Android/Windows version of a game on that platform? Or is this one of your retarded pieces of guesswork based on little to no analysis of that market? I think it’s the latter.
I don’t give a shit about the rest of what you said, because you again, try to speak for others with your experiences. You aren’t everybody. Shut the fuck up, you don’t do your research into things. You’re an idiot.
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You’re really as stupid as I thought. Such a sad waste of life you are.
Says the dude who is trolling on the wrong website ……
Lol looks at specs
One problem with ANY third party add-on. Most games aren’t optimised to use them.
Yeah totally, wanna play Tekken online on iPhone 5? Wanna play Heroes of Ruin some time? Wanna play SSB 3DS some time? Wanna play any core popular game some time on iPhone 5?
Lol, oh wait.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5QaZKT7NTs
I’m sorry, what was that? I can’t hear your beaten to death retort.
You seriously think an Xperia is an iPhone..?
*facepalm*
He’s not saying its a phone, hes just saying about mobile gaming.
I’m clearly talking about mobile (smartphone) gaming as a whole. Not just iPhone.
Except the comment you replied to, and the article you replied on, were just as clearly talking about the iPhone. Showing video of an Xperia isn’t the same as that of an iPhone – and doesn’t defeat the point of the person you replied to.
So, I talk about iPhone 5 not being able to play any of the types of games I listed, and you post a video about PSGO?
1. PSGO isn’t iPhone 5
2. Isn’t that the failed sony handheld?
Nope seems to be an Xperia.
What did you accomplish by posting a video about something that has nothing to do with Apple? Who even gives a crap about the Xperia?
Geezum you must be alone trying to find every loop hole.
Lol and on top of that, there is no phone phone plan or subscriptions with 3DS or Vita.
Get outta here xD
There is also no phone within neither of them, or heavy PDA/Pocket PC features. Or you know, being a nearly mandatory device for any modern citizen to own and not little kids.
Perhaps you should get out of here.
‘little kids’
Wow… Talk about professionalism.
What did you accomplish by avoiding the point being made here? I was clearly talking about gaming experiences on smartphones. iPhone 5 is not the only thing mobile games surface on.
Excuse me, but you’re the only one avoiding the point being made. He was clearly talking about just the iPhone before you came in with the Xperia. We know the iPhone is not the only mobile out there, but it was the subject of the text – not Mobile gaming as a whole.
That video of Super Street Fighter IV isn’t actually running on the Experia Play hardware. It’s running through a program called OnLive.
I know it isn’t.
Then why did you use that in your argument if it isn’t running on the actual hardware?
Uhm, the controls? Helllllllllllllllllo?
oh you mean a Peripheral? Because those have always been so successful in the gaming industry.
add ons dont mean anything simply because most wont be bothered with buying something separate. Its not wise to count on people buying peripheral in order to play games properly. Having the option is nice. But if the mobile scene is going to legitimately rival the game handheld market they are going to need to either come bundled with the add on…or be built with buttons and an analogue stick.
play the SF4 on your iPhone even with your those so called addons. Then go look at SF4 on 3DS and come back again…. It does not matter if the hardware spec is close or better. Try again next time until they have something closer. on a side note fyi… Phantasy Star Online 2 will be coming to phones can tablets too. But after you look at the Vita version, You will start to cry at one corner again…. that is something that have not even release YET
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Yeah, all that time and money i spent on my ps3 and Wii this generation, all i could think was, “ermergerd, ifurn games”
And when Apple makes a dedicated gaming platform that they won’t utterly screw over their developers on, I might consider it. That means I want it built to play games. That includes a proper set of controls for it, not this touch-screen jive they keep trying to pass off as intuitive.
The iPhone is a phone that does a hell of a lot of other stuff, very little of which I care for, and I am not going to pay for the cost of a phone and the bullshit cost of an annual contract on top of that, ON TOP of the cost of whatever games I want to play.
And yet thousands of people pay for a 360, games on that, and Xbox live.
The iPhone isn’t a gaming device, it’s a phone that devs have made games for. Don’t judge it as one.
The PC isn’t a gaming device either. They are both however, gaming platforms. Deal with it.
But again the PC caters towards a different market in a different way to consoles and handhelds. Point still valid.
No, your point is completely invalid. The phone is a gaming platform and the growth of games on those platforms more than proves my point.
Whether you like it or not iOS/WP8/Android are on a rising surge of mobile and indie developers. Ouya is a new console coming with a huge kickstarter success. Because it’s such a breakthrough for those indie devs, and gamers who want an open platform.
Incorrect analogy on ALL fronts.
1. The XBox 360 is a dedicated gaming system. Furthermore, the service does not require you to have XBox Live to use the features of the system, other than multiplayer. Plenty of people use it without XBox live, to no detriment. What is an iPhone without a service plan? A paperweight.
2. The cost of an XBox Live Subscription is less for six months than the average phone plan is for ONE month. Cost is very much an issue with these things.
3. And my personal favorite, though not part of the comparison… When did I ever say it was a gaming device? I pointed out, quite specifically, that my problem with the iPhone is that it ISN’T a gaming device, and its services are of no interest to me. It’s a phone that is trying to be a jack of all trades device, and is far too overpriced to be of any actual value.
Feel free to try again.
and yet ppl are comparing phones and tablets to 3DS and Vita. They are made for games, and Dev make AAA games specifically for it. So stop comparing.
And to think that so many people were camping out to get the iPhone “5” to realize that they already had one.
Phone games have a huge user base for three reasons. 1) The games are cheap. 2) The games are sometimes free. 3) The games are easy to learn and less complex than console titles. Translation, phone games are for people on the go and at best count as diversions, not video games. Super Mario Galaxy 2 has more production value, more depth and takes more coordinated skill than any phone game I’ve seen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hwz7YN1AQmQ
Although “Where’s My Water?” was fun.
People never seem to realise they’re comparing apples and oranges. iOS gaming caters to a totally different crowd than handheld gaming does. It’s like trying to compare handheld gaming to console gaming, it’s not the same thing.
I thought the iPhone 4, and later the 4S, was supposed to kill off dedicated handheld systems for good. All the “big” games like Ace Atorney or Final Fantasy available on iOS devices and other smart phones have not become as popular as they are on dedicated handheld gaming systems like the DS/3DS. The iPhone 5 has better processing capabilities and a larger screen, but it adds nothing to your phone experience, let alone gaming excitement.
Phones also don’t have small, addictive features such as stree/spotpass that can work with just about every game. Also, when was the last time you heard of a phone game being really “successful” outside of Angry Birds? That’s a tough one, isn’t it?
They haven’t become popular? Is that why they continue to be made for the devices?
They keep on bringing those titles to phones because they want to expand the fanbase, but the general userbase of smartphones are not interested in conventional gaming since they only look for time wasters. At the same time, traditional gamers also don’t like “core” games on phones because of controls and because they don’t have any integration with the hardware.
Of course, there are exceptions to these two sides, but they don’t outweight the general perception.
Until you provide credible statistics to prove who’s interested in what on mobile platforms, then you can say that. Until then, it is nothing but conjecture.
Gaming in general (most certainly handhelds as well) is time wasting, so I really don’t see the discrepancy.
Ok Aeolus I’m am with you. I’m typing this reply on an iPhone right now! So tell me what should I buy? There is so much crapware there and I’m not a fan of angry birds. I’ll even get the attachments too!
Other wise I’m just hearing things to boost my stock I bought in apple. Oh yeah did you hear they broke a record on their stock price also. I got a droid also, it crashes more than win 95 and gets a heat warning when running 3d heavy games.
I just want to see the hype metrialize into games I would want to play. Rather than games I download while I’m waiting in line some where.
When are we going to see tournaments and skill based game play? Or is that happening?
Oyua what ever is going to be pretty cool if it ever comes out. Yet I’m not sure I want any of there games. I don’t really want any of the vita games either.
Yet I’m excite for the games coming to the surface lol I mean desktop programs. Now I can get some work done instead of wasting time downloading bad games.
Make me a believer and show me the games you play or we should be playing.
I mean right now idea rather play Atari or Nes games than phone games.
who needs statistics this early in the game? the developers themselves prove his point. Just look at Streetfighter on IOS. It has nowhere near the level of development that the consoles or even the 3ds. Hell, it uses sprites instead of polygons and is an overall horrible translation of the original.
Take resident evil too. Shells of their Console and handheld counterparts. If the market was there for that level of experience, they would be bringing those experiences over in full; but they dont.
now maybe you can argue the market isnt there YET….but i seriously doubt it will ever get “THERE”. The mobile market is one that thrives because of its price points. Cheap games. Which is why you find for the most part pretty basic experiences on phones or severely watered down versions of games on dedicated systems.
You cant bring legitimate entries into the market without increasing development costs up to the levels they are on the handheld markets. Which is the whole point of the mobile market. Cheap games. Games can only be sold dirt cheap if the development costs stay low.
If you start bringing games like call of duty, with all the functionality it has on either other handhelds or consoles. Its going to cost more than the market is willing to support. When you have a market that is accustomed to paying a dollar for games. And you bring something that could end up costing 15 to 20 and on a mobile (which doesnt have proper buttons; so thats an added cost and annoyance); its just not going to have mass market appeal, and will probably sell poorly.
gaming is time wasting, then why are you wasting your time here? if you aint interested in games, you wont even be in this article. So you are wasting your life as well. bunch of contradicting nonsense.
Lol it doesnt have any games im interested in… so im sticking with Ninten and Sony
Plus after apple passed those poor excuses for clones and fucked up the first megaman x game i lost every shred of interest in them lol
Cartoon 3D Land anyone?! Or maybe Ultra Dario. Trust me they are the best games. Time to trade your 3DS for an iPhone. /s
well, we got Zelda, Mario, Metroid, Pokemon, Mother, Star fox as exclusives
Sony has God of War, Uncharted, CoD(even if not exclusive)
and mobile got angry birds 1,2,3
Seems legit
Try a bit harder.
Tell us what we are missing out on!
Why on earth is there no gaming shell that comes with the iPhone 5? Why? Then they could move closer to being in direct competition with the others.
We need to see what apple can do gaming wise! I want to see 1st party content! My tv can run android almost now!
Except, y’know, Apple isn’t a gaming company, their phone isn’t built for gaming, it’s just something it can do, it’s built to be a phone. Apple hasn’t ever made a claim about their devices taking over the gaming market, it’s always these “analysts” who have no idea what they’re talking about. Mobile gaming will always be catered largely to games that work on a pick up and play basis, something that is a short, shallow but nonetheless enjoyable experience. That’s why there’s no need for a peripheral to add physical buttons – it’s not built to be a gaming device.
If devs want to include touch screen buttons in their games because they can’t build a game that will work properly within the limitations of the hardware, that’s their fault. Games like Angry Birds and Plants vs Zombies took off because they were built to work with a touch interface.
but they have always talk a lot about games on their device… fail….
well, since you didnt on this post, why should I?
Do you notice something here? iPhone 5= New super mario bros. series
think about it
I seriously fail to see what you’re trying to achieve with your comments here.
I think what the user saying is, Apple keeps releasing an iPhone and making bare minimum changes to each iteration
I’m saying that apple makes a “NEW” iPhone every year and everyone buys it. It’s the same thing as the iPhone 4,3,2,1.
There ‘s a “NEW” super mario bros. series every year and everyone buys it including me. Even though it’s basiclly the same as the last one.
You see?
One has to only take a glance and see every iPhone is different to the last. That’s like trying to say every DS model is the same as the one before it. DS, DS lite, DSi, DSi XL, they are all the same platform and yet all different in many ways. Same with iPhone.
every yeah!??!??!! what kind of crack you smoking at?
do you even remember when was the last time we got a 2d mario?
Yeah, “gaming”. Har har, good one!
It’s not about the specs you goddamn morons, if it was about specs then we wouldn’t buy a single handheld ever again.
Actually it is, if phones are outperforming handhelds in places that matter for games to triumph over said phones, then what’s left to bank on? The generic “controls” argument? There are third party controller adds on all over the place, and even some tablets/phones have them built in. With FAR cheaper prices, loads of free apps, and an all in one device, dedicated handhelds will eventually be gone for good. Whether you like it or not.
In fact, phones don’t even NEED the graphics, with cloud gaming services slowly climbing up the latter, all you need is your physical controls and just go for yourself.
So really now…what’s the future for handhelds after the current gen? Catering to niche markets instead? Yeah, that’s a great a more profitable venture for developers over the very accessible mobile market… /s
and more*
So, you aren’t a Sony fanboy, since you just went against all of the handhelds. That leaves me to think that you are either a MS fanboy, or a smartphone fanboy.
P.S. Yeah, I just ignored your whole comment except for the fact that you went against handhelds, for the sole reason of: You’re Aelous, the mascot troll of this site.
I don’t think you know what a “fanboy” is. I don’t pledge loyalty to higher companies, and never will. I do however, stay loyal to gaming as a whole.
Also, spell the fucking name right.
Lmfao you are so full of fucking shit !!!!
He is against all things Nintendo. It’s the only way to categorize him.
Like I said on my post….
‘Yeah, that’s a great a more profitable venture for developers over the very accessible mobile market’
You know, seeing as a 3DS/Vita game generates about 40x more money per sale than a phone game, and still sell half as much. While we’re at it, why don’t we also claim that home consoles are becoming far less profitable than PC games – despite it being far from the truth.
You sure about that? You really sure they generate more revenue in the long run? Do you have valid sales figures on mobile compared to retail?
If the retail games don’t sell anywhere near what’s on mobile, what’s the point here? You can be priced high, but doesn’t mean you’ll be getting more profit if everybody else can easily buy your product for much less with a userbase that spans severalfold that of dedicated handhelds.
Angry Birds. The developers tout well over half a billion downloads, but at the same time admit only 44% of those downloads were the paid iOS version, the rest were the ad-supported versions.
Let’s be generous and say that 400million downloaded an Angry Birds game for $0.99 via iOS. That’s $396m in revenue. 30% of that goes straight to Apple, which takes the developers revenue down to $277.2m. It’s a low cost game, so the profit ratio should be extremely high.
Meanwhile, Nintendo sell ~30million copies of one of their franchises (which they are more than capable of) at $35 a pop. That’s $1.05b in revenue. They have far higher costs (development, manufacturing, packing, distribution, etc), BUT they are nowhere near enough to make up that $770m chasm between the two amounts.
And the best part of this is, Angry Birds is a massive exaggeration of mobile success. It’s the only franchise putting up those kind of numbers, with other successful mobile games like the oft heralded Infinity Blade bringing in a much more modest ~$45m. A dedicated handheld game would only have to sell 1.5m copies to beat that.
Dedicated handhelds will be gone ?? try telling that to Nintendo , Mario , pokemon , Mario kart and the rest.
Nothing can stop Nintendo now .
Kids can’t just buy a cell phone. Kids are not given smart phones.
I usually buy my phones because I hate payment plans. It’s been avg about $800-1200 dollars. Real gamers complain about pc gaming which cost about that much.
Where are the RPGs on phones? Where are the fighting/action games?
I have seen some very cool toy integration with the iPad though. Unreal 4 will be on it!
I want to be happy/excited about phone gaming but cloud gaming throttling on unlimited internet phone plans is a non starter.
I believe sooner or later the hdmi coonect for smart phones to your new smart tv will be ready also.
Come on apple make one game, just one game we will wait for and look forward to playing that doesn’t play like a flash game.
Why is apple affraid to make a game!? Yet the investors are scream that this tech is going to crush consoles?
Oh yeah cnet are iPhone fanboys.
While the specs do matter in some ways, I feel as though they are unimportant in regards to cell phone gaming, as most games are only a dollar or are free, for that matter, the development cost must also be low to account for such a low selling point. This means even if it does reach that 1080p graphical point, which isn’t really that common, it is very simple items like per say Sudoku. I don’t think anybody gives two shits if their sudoku game is in 1080p or 720p so long as it works properly. Speaking of working properly, handheld games generally don’t handle well, and even though it is possible to buy additions to phones to overcome this, those are not compatible with most games, making them obsolete. All 3ds and ds games are playable with the 3ds and 3ds XL controls, that’s common knowledge, but even though the controls do not differ much on iPhone games, only maybe 1/5 of the games for iPhone actually work with a gaming peripheral. The cellphone market may be bigger, but the average amount of time spent on a game is limited and very small compared to the amount of time that of social networking on phones, text messaging, and the average gaming time put into a handheld. So handheld gaming is really not that influential on the handheld console in my opinion and will not be until the phones themselves are made into a gaming handheld more like the XPeria, which, by the way, was a complete failure.
I own a Vita and a 3DS. and I prefer the 3ds over all. Its more user friendly. Iphone, it has some good games, but you have to pay for data every month just to play them.
No, Apple. You take waaay too much credit for this.
You can’t be serious. People who think smartphone games are better than dedicated handheld games, are idiots.
iPhones? Really?
They are however, far cheaper and are on a growing rise to the top in terms of market share.
“Better” is completely subjective.
I agree that the games are cheap but sometimes quality, lags, glitches, etc; lots of them happen more on the iphone or iPod. I know you wont agree, but this is in my opinion of what I exprienced so far.
Lag is probably your own phone, some games just plain don’t work well on lower-mid range handsets.
I don’t touch phone games, but I’m not blind as most of the posters in this thread are.
I mean I dont exprience lag all the time, but sometimes, it seems like the developers for iPhones aren’t really trying.
and I mean for games.
It’s mostly just failure to optimize their games for lower end devices.
at least it selling better than the fucking vita.
That’s a joke?
Iphone is a Cellphone, not a gaming device.
100% of the people that buy a Vita or a 3DS are going to play in it.
Most of people that buys an iphone are not buyng it cause it is a gaming plataform.
Its just a cellphone with a lot of possibilities that most of consumers will not use.
PC is a computer, not a gaming device either.
However it has games, as do smartphones.
Majority of people don’t buy PCs for games as well.
Moot point is moot.
And what exactly is your fucking point? Nobody is saying pc will take over gaming?
Oh? You sure about that? Consoles are slowly going to go down that route lately. Watch and see with the Xbox 8 (720).
Xbox 8 is not even announced.
You got proof of it?
You always ask for fucking proof when you know that you’ve lost, but you never give us your proof either.
So let me use your own logic..
You got proof of Xbox 8?
You got proof that it is going to be called like that?
You got proof that consoles are going the PC route?
Now what you’ll come up with?
Really, I wan’t to see what bullshit you’ll come with now.
Most likely grammar mistakes or you won’t even reply..
owned^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
It’s called common fucking sense and Microsoft’s current business practices with Windows 8, you dumb piece of shit. But you wouldn’t know since you’re jerking off Nintendo.
True ms will try and convert gamers into pc gamers with the win 8 setup… And also try and kill phone gaming in the process.
The wiiu is know and it is pretty much a console. They didn’t take the bait, nintendo. Yet Sony did. You know Sony even took the bait with the psgo and the vita.
Cloud gaming will make the hardware race moot.
Yeah I like the surface because I can run 3d studio max and then send that to my workstation. It still needs buttons for gaming so I’m betting an Xbox controller will work with it.
What if the next Xbox was just the ms surface?
Problem is nintendo still has console gaming on lock and ms is still the king of pc gaming land. They only wanted to beat Sony and they did that. Even after all of that hype.
I’m wondering if apple even knows how to capitalized on all this free hype so we can get a real apple pc gaming platform.
I don’t think it will be. But MS has recently called Xbox their “entertainment brand”, seems to be implying that “Xbox” won’t be limited to a console at some point. MS will undoubtedly try to shoehorn Windows 8 into their next console, they’re doing it to virtually everything they possibly can and even rumors have suggested their next console may be running a variant of it. At that point, why not just call it a freaking PC? Seems to be what they’re trying to do with it. And no, Apple probably will never get into the gaming market, they have no real need to do.
Cloud gaming is slowly on a rise, every company knows it. Cloud gaming is already available on mobile to thanks to Onlive. Dedicated devices of all kinds will slowly find their way out and if people keep trying to deny it, they’ll only set themselves up for disappointment in the not so distant future.
Pc are a gaming device. Gaming pcs do exist for mostly that purpose only. You don’t have successful gaming gaming phones designed and configured mostly to play games? If so than please post that system and how successful it was.
Angry birds and most phone software can be played on gaming devices. Please show me a list of games that can not.
Then please understand… Developers like to port games that need buttons in the core design to systems that use that core design. Ports to phone are cash ins. Almost like paid comercials.
If you want to say that phone games are a great place to release crap so you can fund a Xbox 720 project then I would aggree.
Think about why there are hardly any pc games ported to apple pcs? Yet the phone gets all of the games? Why is that? Remember how powerful Mac where compared to pcs then they switched to real pc parts lol?
They make cool stuff but until they surpass the quality of what is offered by making a complete package( meaning the games and controls) and not just specs. I will have to label this as wishful thinking.
The A6 CPU fell short due to the phone size. That will always be the limiting factor on power. A phone the size of the ds may not sell that well just ask the droid makers.
Hey I would love to believe other wise. I don’t do the hey just wait till next year or the next version.
Every console is a PC dedicated to games.
An Iphone is a cellphone that can play games.
Everything a console has are computer parts dedicated to gaming, and you are unable to play a lot of console games if you don’t have a good hardware.
Like in computers, the cellphones resources are shared with multiple functions, and it will need an expensive hardware to play the same thing without these functions.
One other thing that Iphone suck its the battery, i want my cellphone to be on every single minute, but i don’t care if my handheld console battery is over, i will just recharge it and play later.
With games such as Angry Birds (Space!) and Temple Run!
And all of this for only $650!
Seriously -__-”?
Even if they were able to make awesome games on iPhone, they would still require an iPhone… I am not planning on spending that kind of money.
Also: I am not even sure whether the mobile gaming market is willing to invest in expensive games, I thought its power was in the fact that they were less expensive than a can of coke (often free with ingame purchases).
Don’t forget, WiiWare was actually very revolutionary when it came to Indie development, iPhone may have popularised it a lot (other than maybe steam…) But WiiWare really was the first to properly bring it to game consoles. The Wii has a lot of awesome things to it’s name that sadly don’t really get talked about.
Anyone who “games” on their iPhone isn’t gaming they’re playing angry birds.
Buttons do matter though. Developers can do so much more with a 3DS or Vita than they can with an iphone. That simple fact means that we have better chances of getting good games on dedicated handhelds than on phones.
Besides, I still don’t see these devices as threats in the same way others do. Most of the people who buy these games get them just because they can, just because they’re cheap, or even free (and let’s face it. You didn’t sell a copy if you gave it away for free). These people don’t care about games, therefore they wouldn’t buy a 3DS/Vita in the first place. They aren’t really a threat if they aren’t stealing the audience of people who actually care. Sure they may get a few, there’s always overlap, but people who really care about games will not care about phone games in the same way they care about 3DS/Vita games.
The market for phone games is growing, certainly, but the handheld console market is also growing (or at the very least, it isn’t declining). These phones may end up being a threat, but they aren’t yet.
Wtf? More of this crap? Touch devices (of any creed) are horrible gaming devices. It will be a truly sad day if iphone becomes the top dog in portable gaming.
This will never happen, just look how 3DS is doing “poor”, I will be very happy the day one of my products become a failure like PS Vita too, SONY and NINTENDO are profiting and developers will always produce exclusive content to portable handheld that will sell a lot and never will be possible to port to an iphone.
Its impossible to play a Metal Gear or a Zelda Mario properly in a single touch screen without buttons.
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How is it a better gaming phone than the xperia play?
It’s sad reading all your comments. The iphone is a fantastic gaming device, and it has SEVERAL good games on it. You all just don’t know because you don’t pay attention to it.
Come back when mobile gaming has more than touching the screen and waving the cell phone in the air.
There’s much more to gaming than you think, an entire history behind it. I’m not denying that mobile games are indeed fun, but to say a cell phone can compete with true gaming consoles is too much arrogance!
Mobile gaming is the lair of indie games, while true gaming consoles have an entire team, or even more, behind every game. This makes gaming consoles way superior than any iPhone, no matter how bigger the screen is!
+ 100 trillon .
I’m sorry, I honestly don’t care what you think about mobile gaming, but just because consoles have teams behind them, doesnt make them better. I’m finding indie games to be by far better quality than the shit I see being spat out by these “big” teams. There are plenty of fantastic indie games on XBLA, PSN and Eshop.
If you have a Vita, go pick up Aqua Kitty from PlayStation Mobile *they’re cross compatible with Android PlayStation certified devices*.
I highly recommend it. I think PlayStation mobile will be great for indie games I don’t want to play on a touch screen, since it seamlessly integrates physical controls with devices that have them as well.
It’s sad for you to belive that.
iPhones games are fantastic ! The only and crucial reason why they “suck” 99% of time is because a touch screen without physical buttons are limited to hell and games will always be like Angry Birds.
Several?
Name 20 full-gaming experiences on mobile phones not available alredy on other gaming consoles or handhelds.
Not trying to be a troll, but really, I must be really bad at looking for good games at the AppStore if there are really several of those games.
My comment from Wii U Daily:
“Yes, mobile gaming does indeed threaten the actual gaming console’s market.
I’ll now proceed to play the latest Call of Duty in my new iPhone5, which grants me full uninterrupted online connection, free of lags, all the buttons I need to run, shoot, aim, change between weapons, while I can freely talk to everybody who is playing online with me on their iPhone5′s and hear they saying they’re sleeping with everybody’s mothers!
Or I could play my so-loved Skyward Sword in it. I see no problem in my iPhone5 running a full Zelda game, with the vast world, infinite amount of items, secrets and, why not, the exceptional motion controls! How else am I going to play Zelda on my iPhone5 without swinging the cell phone like crazy while keeping an eye on the screen?
And of course, all cell phones have the capability to carry not only one, but an entire library of 4GB+ games in their storage. And everyone can download those games in an instant, and the price is so accessible, even if it takes hundreds of people involved to make those games, aside from merchandising, shipping, hosting servers and making profit all together, I wonder why Nintendo and Sony don’t move to mobile gaming!
For the last time, IT’S NOT THE SAME MARKET, STOP COMPARING THEM!!!!”
It doesn’t matter how much powerful your cell phone is, it is not a gaming console, and won’t best them in any way!
I’m scared and feel like this is going to happen.
I could see why they say this… But the reason why iPhone games are better to people because it is more casual.. But the downfall is it is like 1 week of entertainment at the most rather than a 3DS That has more than that… I say, you get for why you pay for… But I do understand why he is saying that because the sells on iPhone is super high compared to other handhelds but why pay for something that is not a lifelong entertainment… I don’t see people going to back to the first angry birds but I see people go back to pokemon diamond and pearl…
Resource:
I have an iPhone with a lot of games
And all handhelds with a lot games
Only a few problems (but REAL problems for Apple)…. 1. iPhone is not a handheld gaming device, handheld (in this situation) aka console in general means it will be supported for at least 5 years… 2. iPhone 5 will be outdated in next 1-3 years (not because of the specs but because of developers who will forgot iPhone 4 and 5 once iPhone 6 and 7 will arrive), iPhone just cant took away Sonys and Nintendos market (3DS, Vita). Vita and 3DS will support games for at least 5 years…. imagine iPhone 5 after 5 years (rofl). Apple will soon bring the iPhone 6 (whatever, in 3 years maybe even 6 and 7), and tell me, what will happen to iPhone 4 and 5? (nah!). What will happen with 3DS and Vita after 5-6 years? yeah, they will still be alive.
Last… and remember, Vita and 3DS are using touch screen, analog sticks and digital buttons etc.
i don’t get it the iPhone is cellphone . i have a iPhone i don’t play game in the crap . cellphone no a video game system . I’m really sure is Nintendo decide to come up with cellphone/video game system apple and every other cellphone maker will be shitting their pants
If anything, it’s the best for smaller games. You know, apps and whatnot. For actual serious gaming, it seems that Nintendo always wins. They need more blockbuster games on 3DS, though.
I’m sorry, but I could not take this article seriously the moment they said that handhelds designed specifically for gaming were forced into “catch-up mode” behind phones that are not designed around gaming, in the field of games.
Not only that, that they completely dismissed the fact that many gamers like at least a small amount of actual BUTTONS in their games.
“It doesn’t matter”.
Boys, even the damned WIIMOTE AND MOVE CONTROLLER make use of SOME buttons in their games.
Very few games do without at least a single button and/or a control stick, as far as controls go, even when the game revolves mostly around a touch screen, because that’s a minimum for the majority of gamers.
Only an idiot would defend a statement as ludicrous as the claim that dedicated gaming devices are playing catch-up.
Or, you know, a blatant Nintendo, Sony, or Handhelds-in-general hater, or a Phone-Fantard.
Not sure if serious…
“Physical buttons or no, the screen of many iPhone games can become riddled with virtual, cluttered button dashboards. Some elegant games bypass this, but many don’t.”
This is one of the many reasons gaming on the iphone sucks.
If I have to choose between a low-quality mobile game for 5$ and a high-quality 3DS game for 40$, I’d choose the latter without hesitation.
Unless it’s Angrybirds xD
Haha, touché.
You dont buy a phone just to play games. Honestly Phones and Ipads ARE NOT THE FUTURE OF GAMING. Nobody gives a rats ass about Iphones selling more the 3DS systems they are not the same thing. Its like people who say PC is better then any console. No shit. You cant compare PC’s with consoles they arent the same damn thing.
Nah. 3DS is great!
The iPhone, bringing us such classics like Angry Birds, Cut The Rope (those are ok), Cartoon 3D Land Safari and Mole Cart (horrid).
As soon as I read CNet, praise of an Apple product. Especially the Iphone 5, and then “buttons dont matter”. I started laughing. Is this guy for real? Oh boy I sure cant wait to play the next installment of angry birds! It has such deep gameplay!
Nintendo made the original 3ds have worse ergonomics than an iphone.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha no.
And to that person I say this from my personal blog only last week:
http://petrosofsparta.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/mobile-gaming-threat-to-consoles.html
Case Closed mofo.
He lost all credibility from the first sentence of his second paragraph. I went into ignore mode. Leave luck to heaven.
nope.avi
CNET probably have a shrine with a portrait of the thermonuclear war guy aka Steve Jobs. Can’t trust anything coming from such a biased source.
Apple products and dedicated handheld devices usually go after different markets anyway. Sure, there is a bit of audience overlap, but at the end of the day, you go to the iphone/ipad for the time waster games (mostly) and the dedicated game devices for a more core gaming experience.
THATS COMPLETE HORSE CRAP TOTAL AND UTTER HORSE APPLES PLOPPED INTO YOUR OPEN MOUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!
FACT 99.9% OF PHONES ARE NOT PURCHOSED THERE OBTAINED ON A PHONE CONTRACT FOR THE LOVE OF GOD REALITY CHECK AGAIN THE INDUSTRY LIES AND A PHONE IS NOT A HANDHELD FFS
The hardware might be good, but the games are horseshit.
the hardware isnt good, no controls, lag multi touch screens and graphics way below the specs due to os and lack of gpu ram/bandwidth and screen resolution way to high for gpu to support
ITS A PHONE NOT A GAMING HANDHELD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
hi there you forgot too mention the 3ds xl ps vita have a 5 inch oled screen and 3ds xl has 4.88 inch 3d screen
I agree, the smartphones will always be a smart that can do gaming, but people including me will stop from playing with my 3DS or Vita, It’s a phone that “features” gaming, it’s not built for that sole purpose, and the reason for that is that phones are not targeting that market. Ofcourse sales would’ve gotten higher because the game is cheap add it up with the number of people owning smartphones, if nintendo were to create a sleek phone with a capability of gaming (to battle it out in the phone market vs. iphone, i would say nintendo might even be on par with iphone 5, if you look at the topic, it says iphone, why would you compare a gaming device with a gadget that has a phone feature, why not compare 3DS and Vita vs. Ipod touch? Remove the phone feature since it has become a need for every individual, compare it to ipod touch since apple users can use their apple id? Why compare it to a device that caters a lot of market? If i were to buy a phone ofcourse it will be a smartphone, automatically i get access to shitty games that i even install emulators on it so that i can play classics, if on the gaming side i choose 3ds or vita anyday, remove the iphone’s ability to call, then it would be a fair fight. The iphone can’t even win given the fact that it is competing to a device built majorly for gaming. Do you think the same thing will happen if Nintendo releases a phone? I don’t think so. People will now have options, people will recognize nintendo and might as well take their chances or even if the vita becomes slim (which for a fact will happen) and gets a phone feature not just 3g browsing. I’m pretty sure it will hurt iphone’s sales BIGTIME! People buy iphones not because of gaming, they buy it because its a phone, and those consumers will later realize (oh look cheap games.. Then buy it) unlike for handheld gaming devices.
Scenario :
Son: dad i want a phone.
Dad: what kind of phone? Iphone, galaxy, lumia, or any of the rest of the android family?
Son: im not sure
Dad: ill get you an iphone instead cause you want a PHONE
After a year
Son: i want the iphone 6
Dad: fuck you! Im still paying for that damn phone’s contract!
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Scenario 2:
Son: i want to have a portable gaming device
Dad: nintendo 3ds or ps vita
Son: any
Dad: ill buy vita
After a year
Son: dad can you buy me a 3ds
Dad: sure(real story)