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Forbes: Nintendo Is The New Sega

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Sega_Dreamcast_ControllerForbes contributor Tristan Louis yesterday published an article in which he called Nintendo the new Sega, which once made consoles but now only develops video game software for multiple platforms. In the article, by linking to a post published in April 2012 – several months before the Wii U was released – Louis claims that developers see the Wii U as an underpowered console, one that ‘can’t even match the graphics firepower of the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3.’ If interested, you can read Louis’ entire article here and the outdated post he’s linked to here.

… If Nintendo intends to remain competitive in the next-gen console business, the fact that developers see the Wii U as underpowered is not a good thing.

More of game is moving to mobile. Game developers have started looking at iOS and Android as viable and lower-cost platforms. One study pointed up mobile engaging players at a deeper level than consoles (arguable but directionally accurate).

Nintendo’s mobile standby, the DS, is being heavily undermined by Apple’s iPod touch with kids. Surveying playgrounds in Manhattan, San Francisco, and Los Angeles, one can now see more iPods than Nintendo DS’s whereas only a year ago, Nintendo seemed to rule the roost. …

-Forbes contributer Tristan Louis

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      1. Well Sony showed more Killzone, in the future thy’re gonna show more LBP, more wipeout, more twisted metal, more gran turismo, more GOW. And MS era going to show more Halo, Gears, Forza and shitty kinect games. Those exclusives are the diference between each console

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      3. lo you don’t even had a good reply. Do something else with your life because you suck at trolling

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      4. there’s nothing better than the new super smash bros. that nintendo is going to announce in the e3.

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      6. Yes but Sony not make this games from 30 years and Nintendo only knows to milking cos they are stupid and not have ideas

        BOW BEFORE ME GOD OF WAR !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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      8. Sony has milked those franchises more in the time they were released compared to Nintendo franchises, and ofc Sony weren’t around in the industry 30 years ago
        But by all means, continue with your double standard drivel. It really makes you look smart

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      9. You’re really pissed me now tell me the games Sony milking cos i don’t know about them and pd course you gonna say that you Nintendo fanboy and i am sure you gonna ignore the thing i’ll show you here one list of all Mario games and that who involved Mario even Activision hadn’t milking COD so much
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_games_featuring_Mario

        All Zelda games list
        http://zeldawiki.org/The_Legend_of_Zelda_%28Series%29

        I am waiting to tell me the games Sony milking

        BOW BEFORE ME THE GOD OF WAR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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      10. The character Mario is milked as hell, but the games he is in are all different like platform, tennis, golf, racing, party, fighting and football games. People who claims 3d platform mario games are milked don’t know what they are talkig about. We’ve got 5 3d mario games one for n64, ngc, 2 for wii and one for 3ds. That’s not milking. 2d platform mario games was milked this year but, nintendo has said they only will release oóne per platform.

        Zelda isn’t milked every new zelda has a different theme.
        Tloz-basic
        zelda 2-rpg style
        alttp-paralell world + much improvements
        la-basic+few improvements
        oot-3d + timetravel and ocarina
        mm-time travel (different from oot) + masks and time limit
        oos and ooa-season change and time travel + link between games
        fs-action multiplayer game
        ww-sailing + cel shading
        fsa-action and multiplayer
        mc-being able to shrink
        tp-wolf transformation (not big difference here)
        phantom hourglass-sailing + returning to main temple
        spirit tracks-driving train + retunring to main temple
        ss-motion controls + improvements and different styles + flying (same as sailing)

        Teh games which has barely any unique or worthless themes are: ooa, mc, tp, fsa (from fs). La was an early handheld game so you couldn’t expect much difference from it.

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      11. How many Uncharted games have come out in just one generation? Just for starters.
        Or….how about…Little Big Planet. The series you seem to love so much is another example. Need I go on?
        You give me a list of games such as Zelda? You think I need your pathetic Wikipedia list you googled up to know all the Zelda games that came out over the years? I’m not a child like you. I know them by heart because I was there when most of them came out. But again….how about moving away from childish lists that factor in the 30 year history of Nintendo vs the much smaller one of Sony, and instead make a ratio of how much space is left between entries of key franchises? No? Ofc not….this argument goes way above your head.

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      13. There’s a reason why Mario has been in a lot of games: he’s a mascot. In other words, he can fit in just about anything.
        Do you picture a game like Kratos Kart? Or Drake Tennis? No because both of these characters are made so they would only fit in the genre of games they were designed for.

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      15. Nintendo has more console exclusives than anyone out there…. if they would actually start to make more games of their good titles they wouldn’t be having this problem…. Nintendo wont die out.. they are the oldest gaming company around… the only thing keep Sony and Microsoft alive are the idiots that keep buy those damn Call of Duty games…

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      26. … What? The Xbox and Xbox 360 combined have made a huge loss. Sony lost all the profit they made on both ps1 and ps2 combined. The only reason they are in the console business is because they have other divisions to take the loss.

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      27. Proof?
        Last Time I heard that Nintendo also made a huge profit loss and the reason that there is a lot of news about people saying “Nintendo should go 3rd Party” is because they only have a gaming market.

        Sony is gaining more money from the PS3 and the Xbox 360 has outsold the Wii U (which isn’t really much since the Wii U was only released a few months ago). Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo are NOT going to be turning into 3rd parties any time soon so stop bitching.

        I like Nintendo as much as the next person but at least I know if Nintendo screws up, they screw up and I learn to live with it and not bitch about it. Same with Sony (Whom I’m a huge fan of), if they do something stupid like for example the Vita launch then I will speak my mind, same with Nintendo and Microsoft.

        I like to play on the Wii U and I’m enjoying it but even I know the system is having a hard time and I don’t believe that Mario and Zelda games are going to make much of a dent into the sales. I’d say games like Watch_Dogs and Assassin’s Creed IV: Black Flag is a good sign that the Wii U isn’t dead and they could help boost sales.

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      28. Read the article. MS and Sony are not making more money that Nintendo. They both lost a shit ton of money on the Xbox 360 and PS3. Its in the spreadsheet in the article.

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      29. Sounds more made up to me because Microsoft and Sony still seem to own the West while Nintendo only owns half of Japan along side Sony.

        Still not proof enough.

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      30. thats right…. They make tons of sales in Japan because us dirty americans don’t obviously seem to enjoy Japanese culture and don’t like the the Wii U because we like black consoles and are CALOF DUTIEZ…. Japan doesn’t even have to sell their product to the rest of the world to make money…. if they just sell to japan and not anyone else they would be set…

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      31. You DO know that there’s black Wii’s, black Wii U’s, Black NDS, Black NDSi (guessing on this one), and black 3DS’s?

        Also, there WERE Call of Duty titles for Nintendo Consoles: While the Wii U game seems to be taking more attention, it seems like almost everyone forgot that there’s older Call of Duty titles for the Wii and (if I can recall correctly) the NDS.

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      32. Go back 5 years and no one gave a damn about anything other than the Wii and DS anywhere in the world. Nintendo have slowed down in the West, but look at the 3DS. It’s sold 30 million in 2 years worldwide. Neither the PS3 or 360 even got close to this. The 3DS holds Nintendo up on its own, covering any kind of loss on the Wii U.

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      34. Uh both Sony and Microsoft are reporting losses.
        Nintendo have reported a 2m profit.
        Has been profitable on 3DS since 2012.

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      35. “2m profit”

        lmfao, making that sound like that’s something to write home about on a business scale.

        That’s literally pocket change to ANY of those companies.

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      37. a 2m profit means fuck all to a company as big as Nintendo, therefore it means next to nothing.

        Dumb cunt. :)

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      38. 2m profit may be next to nothing in your eyes, but it’s still better than the losses that your beloved companies are making

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      39. What companies?

        And losses like?

        More importantly why do you care about their losses? You’re not a stockholder, you’re a basement dwelling Nintendo fanboy, lol.

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      40. am replying to aeolos…

        The argument starting some dude say that nintendo is post a loss while sony and microsoft doesnt.

        Nintendo actually made money (IT NO MATTER HOW MUCH, FROM THEY MADE THAT’S ALL THAT COUNTS)…. Sony nor Microsoft HASN’T MADE SHIT!!!! They are LOSING money.

        In a business the main objective is to MAKE MONEY you dumb fucking idiot!!!!!!! So stop damage control pussy face. Go suck out your mother stinking dry out pussy upside with a blood claat straw!!!!!!!

        Get N or get the FUCK OUT!!!!

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      41. venomjamaica, you’re black, go chimpout elsewhere, fantard.

        also nintendo is still losing money, wii u is not profitable nor is it selling and a price drop will just sink them deeper, microsoft and sony have other ventures beyond gaming, therefore nintendo is in more danger because they only have their shitty gaming market and nothing else (significant).

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      43. Sony’s gaming division lost all the profit the PS1 and PS2 made them and more before they started making profit on the PS3. They’ve crippled themselves in the last generation and haven’t started this one any better, maybe even worse.

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      44. Oh please, if we’re going with that old card, then what about Assassin’s Creed, Killzone, Call of Duty?
        Whether you like them or not, it’s a fact that those names sell.
        Being frequent doesn’t make them bad, unless one hates them with a purple passion.

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      49. Yeah, Super Mario Galaxy isn’t a change nearly as interesting as God of War III, Uncharted 3, Killzone 3, Assassin’s Creed III or Modern Warfare 3. e_e

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      53. The first Super Mario Galaxy was a major hit, so they made a second one 3 years later. There was very little change and I found it not to be as good as the original, but it appealed to everyone who enjoyed the original and it wasn’t too soon, like with NSMBU and NSMB2.

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      54. Mario games are divided into sections.
        Mario Platformers (Main)
        Mario Kart
        Mario Sports
        Mario Party
        Mario RPG

        These are the sections for Mario Games.

        From Super Mario 64 in 1996 to Super Mario Sunshine in 2002-2003.
        Oh that frequent.

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      55. I’d like to split Mario Platformers into 2D Platformers and 3D Platformers.
        They’re maybe the same genre, but they’re way too different to be put in the same section IMO.

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      57. and again…, wow, just wow…, all the entire freaking day commenting just pointless things about Nintendo, seriously, your hating level is just out of this planet., why are you so mad with Nintendo?, why do you hate this videogame company so much?, tell me, what in the fucking hell do you have in at brain besides hate?, because all your comments are just the same thing, repeating and repeating the same freaking cycle, what do you want to prove us? tell me, WHAT?!.

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      58. Hey, are you okay? Let them hate, Nintendo first party games sell Nintendo consoles and how many N-first party games have there been since lauch? Like 2. Nintendoland and 2d Mario. Wait till The Big-N call in there IP’s. Hell it hasnt even started yet

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      61. not really… why would you wanna buy games that have already been out for other consoles…the reason to buy the Wii U is Pikmin 3, Animal Crossing, Zelda, Metroid, The rumored Starfox game, and every other great exclusive title Nintendo owns to their name…

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      63. so is pokemon,kirby,star fox,fire emblem,f-zero,super smash bros,kid icarus,earth bound and freakin donkey kong

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      67. LET them hate the company man, they are fucking living on a fucking fantasy where they wish nintendo WAS sega, its like they can’t say shit without nintendo. I see SOO much bullshit even if they say that they have no proof at all, even the trolls link to an article is not even reliable, its justs a guy who post articles that the company never said or anything with nintendo bash=/= fact.

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      68. People hate nintendo because they are different. Plain and simple. People with common sense know that having at least one company focus on younger gamers and casuals should be seen as a good thing. Not a bad thing but no00o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o00o0o0o0o
        Sony drones believes that its better to have 3 identical hardware manufactures in this industry. I prefer nintendo focus on innovation instead of pumping out more POWER !!!!

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      69. Yes, Mario and Zelda are timeless.. Then factor in other first party titles that outsell everything else and you have a winner. Of course you probably prefer another less innovative Call of Doody or something. Nintendo has already sold almost half in 4 months what took the dreamcast 3 years.

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      72. One problem, Sega was in financial down fall.
        Nintendo on the other hand aren’t, Sony is sort of in that zone but they are slowly picking up pace again.

        So calling Nintendo the next Sega is just the most uneducated and idiotic guess anyone could make…. also, Wii U can do PC ports much like the next gen.. just saying.

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      76. Its not even out yet.. -_-

        I’m guessing you are a super Fanboy of Nintendo who thinks everything Nintendo does is right like releasing the 3DS at the wrong time so sales go down, not really giving people a clear idea of what the Wii U is, and don’t get me started on the Virtual Boy, Gameboy Micro and Wii Mini.

        I like Nintendo and I’m enjoying playing on the Wii U but you have to see that Nintendo is always a 100% good all the time, they make mistakes just like Sony and Microsoft.

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      80. hey champ… ya know why Nintendo can keep cranking out Original games. Why people keep buying Mario and Zelda. Because, generally speaking, each installment for each new game, some how makes use of the new tech in a new way that they couldn’t make a Mario or Zelda game ever before. That how they stay fresh…. Ya know that shooter you buy every month or so? for the same console, over and over again, the PS4720 is just going to add some more social things so kids can curse at you more effectively, and its going to look a little cuter. That’ll be about it. So maybe Nintendo fans buy a new CORE Mario or Zelda every few years, but most people do it with shooters and sports every few months.

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      82. Sega lost about a billion dollars after a decade of screw ups which culminated in the Dreamcast and them going software only. The Saturn, the 32X and other stupid decisions cost them equally as much.

        Nintendo’s much publicised recent losses total a couple of hundred million, yet they have already returned to profit.

        Might the Wii U see similar sales as one of those Sega failures? Perhaps, but it won’t be a financial black hole that kills the company.

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      3. I’m wiling to bet that the ps4 will be under 500 dollars. 349.99 dollars. Likly they will take a loss but the are not stupid enough to sel it for anything over or equal to 600 dollars, same goes with the next xbox.

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      4. If the PS4 is $349.99 then you can kiss Sony goodbye because the net loss on hardware sales will kill them within 5 years. .It took them as long to turn a profit with the PS3 and it will take even longer or the PS4 to sell at a profit if it even does at all, Plus, that is when they had a cash pillow upwards of 50 billion dollars in the market cap. Now they are down to 13. The PS4 will NOT be $349.99. PERIOD. Even Sony is not that dumb.

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      11. They will be taking a huge loss if that’s true. At $599 the PS3 reportedly was sold at a $250 loss during the initial launch.

        I think the PS4 will be cheaper because Blu Ray has come down and they are not using some insane custom architecture CPU, but the PS4 will still be expensive. Over $500 on the premium bundle

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      12. Wrong, PS4 will be around about $400 at best since its not using hardware made by two different companies which manufacturing costs meant that the PS3 had to be set higher because of its hardware.

        PS4’s hardware however is being made by a single company meaning that its a lot more cheaper to manufacture the PS4 whilst keeping the power of the system very high.

        Try again and this time, do some research.

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      14. And again, its not even out yet.

        You are starting to sound more and more like the people saying the Wii U was going to fail so you are basically showing them that Wii U owners are just as childish if not more.

        Do more research the next time and stop acting like a Nintendo Otaku.

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      15. You do know he has a point.
        You are starting to sound like Nintendo hasn’t done any wrong and that they have not lost any money at all when clearly they have.

        Learn to live with it kid because its people like you and almost every member on this site I feel ashamed, no disgusted to even be a fan of Nintendo and might actually return my Wii U for a Xbox 720 or even a Xbox 360.

        You brats don’t know the meaning of the word GAMER means anymore. Its means you game on ANYTHING, board games, console games, mobile games, handheld games and even fucking PC Games because a Gamer doesn’t say “This console is shit” just because they haven’t played it yet, no they decide whether they like the system or not by actually playing the console and also they still respect other peoples opinions.

        That my friend is a true gamer which most of you kids aren’t really now a days -_- I say to the trolls keep trolling these guys because they deserve it and for the people who do like Multiple console I hope you guys find a better website than this bullshit site.

        I don’t like the Playstation and I won’t be getting the PS4 but I don’t see it failing. Now wise up or get out of gaming you snotty nosed brat.

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      20. 2GB for Wii U not 1.5GB. Sony wants to make it a Gaming PC with a PS4 attached. Have fun spending $600-$800 on a PS4. If you care about specs so much then put that $800 towards a gaming PC.

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      21. I will ^^
        Also it won’t be that expensive since the hardware is being made by a single company this time round meaning its going to be cheaper.

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      22. Dream on, even if they made those things using volunteer workers and interns, they would still make loss that wont be covered with 1 or 2 software sales.
        My guess, basic set wont be below 450$, and even then, the loss wont be covered with just 2 software sales.

        But I’m more interested, if they can actually make their next gen consoles run cool and quiet, and without any rrod and ylod epidemics this time.

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      23. PS4= Regular GPU. Wii U= Custom GPU. Memory is little to be proud off, it only brings a higher price point.

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      24. you do realize that the reason why ps4 has a 8gb ram is for multiple app running on ps4 AT the same time, not to improve gameplay.

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      25. Actually yes and no. I’d say about 4 GB of the RAM will be used for running Apps and such in the background whilst about 3GB will be used for the games and the OS will use about 1GB.

        Will still don’t know yet so even basing off what you said is pretty false.

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      28. GDDR5 is GRAPHICS RAM, you twit. You seriously think they’re going to waste that on the OS and multitasking?

        LMAO.

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      32. Because PS4’s OS will use 0 of it’s RAM. That fancy OS that they spend a lot of the conference talking about.

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      33. Not really

        Wii U is using a 550Mhz GPU whilst the PS4 is using a 1.84TFLOP GPU which I believe its around 5 to 7Ghz which is more than the Wii U.

        Also the GPU is a tri-core in the Wii U
        PS4 CPU is an Eight-core which though clocked the same has more space to move about in.

        RAM in the Wii U is rumored to be a DDR4 2GB which isn’t too bad considering the RAM in the next Xbox is DDR3 but in the PS4 its GDDR5 which is a more modern type of RAM that is usual only for GPUs.

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      34. What the hell did you just type ? PS4 is using a 5 to 7GHZ GPU ? LMAO. No .

        PS4 is using an 800MHZ GPU believed to be an 8XXX.
        PS4 is using a 2GHZ 8 core CPU AMD x86 jaguar with 4M cache
        PS4 is using 8GB of GDDR5 RAM

        Wiiu is using a custom 550MHZ GPU believed to be a 4XXX or a 5XXXX
        Wiiu is using a 1.25ghz TRI CORE custom CPU based on power 750 with 3M cache
        And Wiiu is using 2GB of GDDR3 memory

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      36. That GPU is shitty by modern standards, so not sure why you’re fluffing it up when it wouldn’t even be recommended for extremely low budget PC builds.

        1.24 Ghz triple-core CPU based on PowerPC 750 (mac G3 much?), wow so incredible….NOT.

        with 1GB of ram dedicated for the games, lol, is this a joke?

        Sorry, Wii U is just another Wii, just like I always told you guys. PS4 smashes it in literally every single aspect, and not by small leaps, but really significant ones.

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      38. I know damn well what I’m talking about, the fact you said nothing to back up this claim is a telling sign YOU don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about.

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      39. Ps4 = 8 core cpu running at 1.6ghz 4 mb (.5mb/core) cache with 12+ stage pipeline.
        Based on the bobcat core
        WiiU = 3 core cpu running at 1.24 ghz, 3mb cache(1mb/core) with 4 stage pipeline.
        based on pc750 core
        *pc750 has much better performance then the bobcat

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      40. PS4 CPU isn’t a stock Jaguar to begin with

        it’d be best to do your research before going google warrior on me and throwing numbers around without even knowing what they mean to begin with

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      43. A joke?

        I’m sorry, I had to say something. I know this isn’t last gen, but the PS3 (yeah, that little thing that pulled off Uncharted 3) had 256 freaking MB OF RAM.

        Would you guys just quit already? The WiiU will produce great visuals, and the next PS4 will, too. Now just wait to see how this turns out, rather than arguing to kingdom come.

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      44. if the wii u can produce great visuals then please tell us where the hell are they, and why the PS4 is showing them from the get go with practically every tech demo sony had

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      46. Just before I answer, I hope that you, instead of just arguing for the sake of it, actually look at facts. I’ve seen some sensible posts from you before, but some other really stupid ones have made no sense whatsoever.

        Anyway,
        1. The Playstation 4 is marginally more powerful. No one’s denying that.
        2. Most of the early PS4 ‘footage’ was the PC build of that game, and yes, the actual PS4 footage was great too.
        3. The WiiU is not only in an early stage, the Zelda Tech Demo (which was on an underpowered dev kit) looks great, NFS uses PC assets, and the pure specs prove that it can, indeed, outperform the PS3 and 360, and significantly so.

        The point I was making is this. Yes, the PS4 is much, much more powerful than the WiiU. No one said otherwise. However, the WiiU will be able to pump out much, much, better visuals than that in Uncharted 1, 2 and 3, and that’s pretty darn undeniably pretty.

        And for pure graphics indulgence, I have my PC.
        So in conclusion, the only trump the Playstation 4 holds is its exclusives, and to be honest, that’s not worth over 400 (I’d say more than 600 for us in Australia, the original PS3 at release was hitting 800-1000) dollars.

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      47. 1 retail Jaguar chip has 4 cores and is a small upgrade of the weak bobcat, fact. The tricore in the WiiU outperforms this chip by a significant margin, fact. The Ps4 contains 2 of these Jag chips taped together, fact. The Ps4 will use a miniumum of 2 of the 8 cores dedicated to run the OS, fact. The ps4 has 8gb of gddr5 ram, fact. The ram is shared between the gpu and cpu, fact.

        The gamepad = best.controller.ever, fact.
        The ps4 controller = worst.controller.ever, fact.

        *By the time the ps4 produces graphics that will be significantly better then the WiiU, Nintendo will be unveiling the Wii3(hopefully they drop the Wii name, but whatever) which will obsolete the ps4.

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      48. you say alot of ‘facts’ yet don’t provide any sort of benchmark specs or sources to back them up

        that controller part alone is -opinion- so now I’m definitely not interested in any further posts out of you just by doing that.

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      49. 1: No it isn’t, it’s fucking SIGNIFICANTLY more powerful. Anyone with a brain in their head and any knowledge of hardware can see a fucking night and day difference in specs on paper and in practice.

        2: Err the only “PC footage” shown for the PS4 was Watch_Dogs and probably Square Enix’s Luminous demo (I don’t think they confirmed if it was or not). Killzone, DriveClub, Infamous were all real time and the former even demonstrated gameplay which was shown to be actual gameplay on Jimmy Fallon. Deep Down was an IN-ENGINE demo that was run on the PS4 as well.

        3: The Zeldo demo was 30 fps, 720p, no AA and in a closed environment. Are you…retarded? This “underpowered dev kit” excuse is fucking old and retarded as shit too. Also no, NFS MW only has those better textures due to more ram and time to polish up the Wii U version, now let’s look at DriveClub which is likely a launch window game and ABSOLUTELY OBLITERATES THAT RACER VISUALLY.

        Also, uhm what? You just said PS4 was “marginally” more powerful, now you’re saying it’s much better? Make up your mind. Also, there is no evidence that the Wii U will be doing that, you’re riding on the thought that it can, did the Wii ever started looking better than one of the early games shown for it *Mario Galaxy*? It didn’t right? Therefore you have no reason or argument to suggest that games will be getting “much better” than some of the best titles look *or demos* now.

        good day

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    3. Yup and they’ll be at GDC this year as well. I’m optimistic about the Wii U’s future along with all of Nintendo. They’re like roaches: They’ll even survive a nuclear war (industry crash).

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      1. Im already happy whit the course Nintendo took and you may ask why and thats because even if developers are making the jump to the graphical leap not many have the money to push the graphics. Many big developers are already showing concer about that even kojima who is a certified graphics whore is taking the leap whit caution.

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      2. People also seems to ignore that indies are flooding to the wii u way faster than they did whit the 360 and that some developers who never touched a Nintendo console are being happy whit it.

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    5. Nintendo is definitely not the ”new sega” the 3DS is a mega seller. One that will outsell every piece of hardware Sega ever made combined.

      This is a pathetic analysis. It seems people just say what they want to be true , not what is actually true.

      What did Nintendo do to upset all the haters ? They’re the nicest little company going and all people do is want them to fail in some ritualistic fashion.
      Not gunna happen.

      And as we all know , Sony is going down before Nintendo if anything.

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      1. Such a stupid article. One that can’t even keep up with PS3 and 360 graphically ? lol . We all know that is untrue. Infact the Devs of Need for speed most wanted said they are going to prove it untrue.

        More Ipods than DS’s ? shut the fuck up….

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      2. Because people hate nice guys. People love bad boys. Girls love big bad boys too. Nice sweet and cuddly characters like mario, pikachu and kirby isn’t popular anymore in the west. I think nintendo needs to create some new big bold muscular military characters and hire a western CEO to run the company or face elimination in the video game industry.

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      3. “new big bold muscular military characters”

        With all due respect, it almost sounds like you are turned on by this.

        Remember, it is just a game.

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    1. I know right… This idiot saying kids all over the world all in parks with iPads playing games… Nintendo is doom. Doom I say.

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  3. He lost me at “More of game is moving to mobile.”

    That’s a prediction that has been unfounded with zero research and is just assumed that since Apple dominates the ‘app’ market, it will translate to core games. Well, Sony Microsoft and Nintendo are still here, along with HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of core game / core console developers.

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    1. THEY ARE!!! believe it or not when you get hits on your site, thats profit for them, nintendo bashing is more profitable because its like pc PlayStation and xbox fanboys are against us.

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      1. Again, I am a Playstation fan but I like to play on all platforms. Its just I like playing on Playstation more, also basing that argument on all fans of a type of console is just plan stupid.

        Sounds to me you are like a otaku for Nintendo

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      2. Man, I wish every play station fan was like, I meaan u just put in the best words, I also own nintend and PlayStation tho I love Nintendo more I still respect Sony and there games there awsome especially little big planet… Keep it. Up

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      3. Yeah, I like Nintendo and I still own a Wii but I just like Playing on my Playstation more but even then I know when Sony fucks up I’ll speak my mind, I won’t defend them and that goes for most companies but really I just like playing games no matter what.

        I like playing Ratchet and Clank on my PS3, some people like playing Mario and thats cool.

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      4. I like Nintendo and Sony, but I bought a PS3 and have been majorly disappointed by it. For the first few years, I had very few games, whereas I had to buy another shelf for my Wii games, and as time went on, I bought less Wii games, but more PS3. Even so, I have a shelf of Wii games and another that is half Wii, half PS3, mostly due to PS3 games pushing towards multiplayer. Unfortunately, my kind of gaming is completely single-player, because as a child, I always played games to get away from the real world and not to play games with other people. Eh, times change, I guess.

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      6. I couldn’t possibly be MORE SURE about that this is the EXACT cause.

        Psychological warfare on all them drones only to undermine The Big N***

        Amazingly, Masterpiece of BULLSHIT!!!

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      7. Yeah, people like that believe Nintendo can do no wrong when clearly they’ve made a LOT of mistakes in the past.

        I know that Sony fucks ups from time to time, same as my Friend who is an Xbox fan who says he know when Microsoft fucks up from time to time.

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  7. He makes decent posts, EXCEPT the whole “Wii U can’t perform as well as the PS3 and 360.” The specs were revealed by other people, and this was already confirmed, Wii U is more powerful than both those consoles, but completely falls short compared to the PS4. Can we finally put this ridiculous “Wii U is weaker than PS3/360” claim to rest?

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  8. He has a valid point. However, it is at this time that we need miracles. But don’t worry. I’m sure Nintendo will have the Wii U selling like hotcakes if they can, and most likely will, impress us at E3.

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    1. People keep saying that Nintendo need a miracle. They really don’t when the sales of the 3DS more or less cover the current losses of the Wii U.

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  9. They have the most sold console of all time. Also, AN IPOD IS NOT A BLOODY GAMING DEVICE!

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    1. I feel however that Apple products are slowly becoming a lot more compatible with Games now though. And I personally would consider them Gaming devices, not necessarily catered towards lengthy and deep experiences, though a Gaming Device all the same

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      1. ios games sucks my ipad became a paper weight for a whole year collecting dust because the games fucking sucks in other words it really fucking sucks

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    2. It’s an entertainment device that plays games.
      Video game consoles are gaming devices that play entertainment.

      Simple as that. /)

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    3. Yup the 3ds is king in sales not slowing down the DS is the best saleing console of all time did good with the wii got ssb4 new 3d Mario new Mario Kart new Xeno RPG but Nintendo is still doom its been this way since the game cube days

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  11. what with these reports
    nintendo is not going anywhere
    they said the same when the gamecube launched
    don’t they see wii was the best seller don’t they see ds is the best seller portable ever
    they said the same thing for the 3ds it just sold 30 millions why you post these nonsense
    Nintendo is disruptive, they said the wii is not going to sell the ds is not going to sell look at nintendo now, and then the ps3 and xbox360 got their sensing tech, and then touching was added to video games.

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  13. The moment I saw the title I chuckled. This is Nintendo. They’ve been in business for over 130 years. I’m pretty sure they aren’t going to be like SEGA for a Very Very long time. Let’s not forget they still have several hundred BILLION Yen in the bank. Nintendo can afford to have another Gamecube incident with the Wii U.

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    2. They’ve been around for over 100 years and have been doing gaming for 40 years, but I get your point. They could lose 250 million a year until 2052 before going bankrupt. Nintendo has sold more consoles than Sony, Sega, Atari, and Microsoft combined. I think they got it under control.

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      1. yet these fucker act like nintendo is next to nothing in profit, they never once talk about nintendo’s money in the bank. why? because they do not want to be proving wrong. FACT.

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  14. Let’s just forget the fact that the Nintendo Wii was underpowered compared to the PS3/360 and yet it outsold both of them…

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      5. Yeah. EXACTLY. Had they of toned-down the juggernaut CPU they had it probably would have been a lot cheaper and thus could have given the SNES a run for it’s money. However, it was necessary if order to sell a console with arcade-graphics.

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  16. Gunman Clive 3DS version outsold the Android version (it had already outsold the iOS version one month ago)
    IOS sell better right?
    who wrote this article Michael Pachter? another one paid by Microsoft.

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  17. There was something a while ago that said about how rich Nintendo is, and that they have a lot of money in the bank (Which every foo knows they do). That they could literally lose, and I quote foo’s, $257million a year until the year 2052 when they would go bankrupt and out of business. So if the Wii U were to fail and shiyeet, that would leave them with (Depending on how many years it will take them to launch new consoles) 5-6 MORE consoles generations AFTER the Wii U. They have AT LEAST 5-6 more console generations, and each of those new consoles AFTER the Wii U could all fail too until they would go bankrupt. Nintendo won’t be going 3rd party soon.

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  18. Forbes has been writing a lot of crap articles lately. I saw a discussion over this very topic on twitter. First off, Forbes’s article proves that they have very little knowledge of the gaming community. Second, they group in mobile phone/facebook gaming in with big title gaming. The big three gaming companies do not make their products based off of what Apple and other companies of that nature are doing. The big three are competing amongst themselves and are not worried about people buying phones as much as they are trying to prevent people from turning away from their devices for gaming.

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  19. Oh yeah for sure you guys, there’s so many great mobile games that are just so engaging on my iphone that my Wii or Wii U could never live up to, such as Zelda or Mario Brothers, those are unengaging games compared to one of the many free to play games on the Apple store, I can download a free game, play it right then, and if I’m lucky, my finger will slip and press an ad and I’ll see even more things. All I’ve got to do is give everyone my credit card number, pay out about $5000 a month, and I’m all set to be super engaged with these super pay to win piles of COMPLETE FUCKING HORSE SHIT!

    YOU’RE A FUCKING MORON IF YOU THINK MOBILE GAMING IS MORE “ENGAGING” THAN ANY CONSOLE GAME EVER, HELL SUPERMAN 64 WAS MORE ENGAGING THAN THE HIGHEST RATED IOS OR ANDROID GAME ON THE FUCKING MARKET!!!!!!!!!!

    FUCKING BLONDE FORBES RETARD DON’T KNOW YOUR GODDAMN ASS FROM A HOLE IN THE GROUND

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    1. I’m sorry but I think that Minecraft pocket edition, N.O.V.A, pac man, etc. Are much better and more engaging than spiderman 64. But iunderstand. Mobile gaming has to wait a LONG timebefore they ge the chance to trump consoles games such as Super mario galaxy, halo,gears, uncharted, MGS, zelda, metroid. Etc etc.

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      1. Isn’t N.O.V.A just a Crysis game just with a different name and some altered looks?
        and might I remind you that Minecraft sold more on PC and Xbox 360 than on the iOS and Android.
        Just saying.

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  20. Hmm, I was thinking of the same thing a while ago. It does make sense. Unless nintendo can do what they did with the 3DS but for the wii U, I don’t see how they can last much longer making consoles. In fact I believe that if nintendo soley made games as a third party dev, they would make a lot more money then sega ever did/does as a third party dev. Playing halo, gears of war and pokemon/mario/zelda/metroid on the console would be a dream. I think the only way Nintendo can stay relevant making consoles is if they really go all out with the wii U and create a continuous stream of high quality games, new IPs, and multiplatform titles. Its too early to tell but I feel this is wht they plan to do if they observed their strategies with saving the 3DS. Now something I think they should do is just take the handheld route, but instead of only being playable on the small screen, you should be able to stream the game to your television(via something similar to the wii sensor bar). This way you have a handheld that acts as your home console as well. This is why I believe the nintendo handheld development team is moving in with the console team. I have a feeling they want to change their future of gaming similar to this.

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  21. I’m sorry, but I cannot help but cringe with every article that someone wrote who clearly has no idea what he is talking about with Nintendo. They are not the new Sega, and they have so much money to last them for 40 years. How are they not seeing that. I agree that some people are just paying these guys to give Nintendo a hard time. The Wii U just launched, and it is a more powerful system than the PS3 and 360, but one that is very good at saving power. These guys need to wake up and quit being completely asinine with their opinions.

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  22. “One study pointed up mobile engaging players at a deeper level than consoles (arguable but directionally accurate).”

    I was going to debate what that article said, but that line, that line make me LOL so hard and make that article lost all possibility of credibility.

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  23. Rememer this statement is from april last year nearly one full year.You can see graphics wise there better then ps3 and 360 and the console is only three months in, am waiting for nfs then me will start seeing lot of difference in the graphics.As for sales there very good at the moment soon they will be better no doubt of that.Lot of nintendo fans out there waiting for pikman 3 and the likes there’s people out there who had wii last five years who be wanting to upgrade soon with all the content coming out for the wii u.As for ipads games people who play them in general have never touched a console before.I see bright future for the wii u with some fantastic games coming.

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  26. Matter of fact to be honest our advertising for the wii u were I work starts in couple weeks,were getting plenty units in and games.This is coincide with game releases,as I stated on other column that’s when nintendo have to step it up with advertising I belive they will as we are for sure.

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  27. “Game developers have started looking at iOS and Android as viable and lower-cost platforms.”
    He complains about the Wii U being the weakest(And it’s also the CHEAPEST) of the 3 Systems, BUT it’ll most likely be the CHEAPEST Next-Gen Console to Develope for!!! -_-

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    1. i find that funny as hell, fact is these companies are going bankrupt as we speak and they have the balls to say they want the most expensive way to make video games…bullshit.

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  29. These Nintendo doom & gloom articles are getting beyond a joke.

    Sony and Microsoft have lost FAR more money, yet Nintendo is always the whipping boy for these morons. It’s bloody ridiculous.

    Also, I love how this guy says the Wii U is ‘underpowered’, before espousing the benefits of cheap, downloadable mobile games. Using that logic, shouldn’t Wii U thrive in comparison to PS4/Durango because it is cheap?

    I mean, realtively underpowered consoles have NEVER thrived against the competition! Well, except PSone, PS2, DS, Wii & 3DS…

    …But aside from them, it has NEVER happened!

    Derp.

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    2. ……And Nintendo Color TV Game, Atari 2600, NES, and SNES. Weaker consoles have one every console war. Period, Home console and handheld.

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  30. Wow, people still believe the Wii U cant out perform current gen? jeez… but PS4 still obliterates the Wii U specs though.

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      2. That ‘s same mistake they made with the PS3 though. The put the expensive BLU-RAY player in the PS3 hoping that BLU-RAY would do for the PS3 what DVD did for the PS2 and CD did for the PS1. The problem is, all people needed was a TV set for the PS1 and 2 to work. Everyone that bought a PS1 and PS2 had a TV. However everyone that went to the store to look at the PS3 did NOT have an HDTV because they were still too expensive for the average joe. Even core gamers did have them in abundance. Its wasn’t until the prices of HDTVs started to come down that you saw the sales of the PS3 and 360 take off. By the time 4K TVS will be anywhere close to being reasonable for the average person we’ll be at the 9th gen.

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      4. Not really because they aren’t focusing on making 4K games, they just announced it ages ago.
        That’s it I’m out of the Nintendo fanbase -_-

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      5. Yes they. did. Don’t know what that has to do with this conversation. We are talking about the impact of how ‘non-gaming’ functions such as CD, DVD, BLU-RAY have helped and hurt Sony. Why no concentrate on the conversation at hand? You are welcome to join us.

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    2. When you consider that probably half of the memory and CPU cores will be dedicated to multitasking of non-gaming elements of the PS4, it kinda knocks the specs down a little bit. It’s still got more under the hood than the Wii U no doubt with will run a longer race before running out of gas, but after letting the shock-and-awe dissipate it’s not exactly the monster Sony is selling it to be.

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    3. Good gaming isn’t about specs, Sony will fail again by overpowering their console. Good gameplay is the key, when the good games for Wii U come out, it’ll by a killer machine.

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  31. All nintendo had to do was produce a powerful platform so all developers could make their best games on it.

    Nintendo should comeback with a unsuspected powerful and desirable system.

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      1. If it had all the features that I cant live without…Hardcore gamers anywhere would find it rational to buy even if it was expensive. I would buy it.

        Id rather save up and buy an expensive console knowing that it will be worthwhile, than buying a cheap gimmicky system that wont be happy with in the long run.

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      1. I want both a powerful and innovative. You’re stupid for ignoring power. You should run a modern innovative adobe photoshop on a old powerless PC…. and tell me if power means nothing!

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      2. Nintendo should not be a next sega. I dont want it to be.

        Nintendo just needs to produce both a powerful and innovative system. Also, they shouldnt forget the modern internet user experience to go along with that.That’s all everyone wants.

        I would pay $400 – $600 easy for a high end system knowing that I will be happy with it in the long run.

        Can you image playing mario kart HD with voice chat? As I drive pass a competitor online I can make a comment through the mic. Can you also imagine smash bros online? How about mario party online? How about an HD zelda with online to buy new costumes or play co-op zelda..etc. Only possible if nintendo treats the internet maturely and trust it’s users. Nintendo should bring accountability online similar to xbox live if they are afraid of online predators.

        Im praying for Nintendo, but it is ultimately up to nintendo if they want to end up like sega. I still have some heart left for nintendo to give them another chance.

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      3. Man will be in constant contact with intelligent alien species accross the universe and have established F.T.L travel before Nintendo goes the way of Sega.

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  32. Thanks for sharing this, sickr. I went over there and gave that writer a piece of my mind. But instead of shouting and cursing like a mad man, I showered him with research, facts, and (hopefully) excellent writing. Thanks for helping me unleash my true potential. Nintendo will be around for awhile. :)

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  33. Such a contradicting statement from Forbes. They said that “more of gaming is moving to mobile” and “developers see the Wii U as underpowered is not a good thing.”
    If gaming is moving to mobile then that means that people are now open to less powerful medium to get their craving for games as long as they are entertained. That is exactly how Wii U is right now compared to other next gen consoles. And that is why the controller is a gamepad/touchscreen to entice that same audience who likes tablets but also wants deeper gaming experience from time to time. It will cater to ALL markets. Nintendo is future-proofing the console with these controls as anytime if they want to, they can sell games through eShop very casual games like angry birds, etc. and those same audience won’t be alienated.

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    1. Plus apps like those of android and IOS. In fact angry birds is coming to wii u soon and it has some sort of google maps already….

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  34. These useless articles, if you going to smell blood in the water, the only company likely to not exist within 5-6 years is Sony simply on their financial books.

    Sony will have no money in 2 years, they already liquidating assets to stay afloat.

    PS4 costs will only accelerate their expenses and hammer in the final nail in the coffin.

    Nintendo on the other hand has a strong financial sheet and still have billions in cash.

    So for an article by Forbes, shows how “journalists” don’t do their homework and instead just follow the demagoguery of other blog sites.

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    1. loads of nonsense from somebody who has no grasp with what’s actually going on in the market

      but good luck convincing anyone sony will ‘run’ out of money in that time, lol.

      meanwhile, they sold yet another building of theirs for yet another sizeable profit of 400m+

      yep, they gonna broke confirmed because a nintendo fanboy said so

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      1. You think Sony wants to keep selling thier assets to cover thier junk stock and heavy losses? So foolish, these Sony fanboys are.

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  35. lets keep it real sony is the new sega the ps4 is crap.the controller is a piece of shit there’s no backward capability for ps3, ps2 or ps1 games, no dvd player and no psn game transfer. yeah the playstation future is a old man with sad eyes what a piece of shit. and the new xbox needs internet connection 24/7 even for 1 player games. wow!!! sony and microsoft next gen is dead in the water. lmfao!!!

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  36. Today I was told my posts are too religious. By a certain Wooferz and jellybean. Just because I like nintendo. To that effect a big FU to both of them, and if you are down with the FU too. In fact FU, all the MF western developers and their mothers. FU to all bitch western developers and entertainment journalists that cannot stand an eastern company giving us real entertainment not bullcrap mind control nonsense. If you don’t like what I have posted then FU too and your bitch ass, you punk bitches.

    P. S : FU to Tristan Louis as well.

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  38. don’t you get it guys, it’s always the american media obscenely bashing the japanese game titan, they would never write such an article on M$ or Apple..

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  39. what is everyone talking about? The specs for the PS4 are not impressive. It’s a low to mid grade PC. Only thing it has going for it is the 8GB of fast ram. But the CPU and GPU are low-mid grade PC parts. APU’s aren’t powerhouses when it comes to the GPU performance. You have to remember, Sony loves to put out specs with “theoretical” values, not real life values. I’m pretty confident the Wii U’s dedicated GPU will give the PS4’s integrated GPU a run for it’s money. Just wait for someone to put out a PS4 emulator for PC’s and people will have no reason to get a PS4. That thing should be easy to emulate on the PC.

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    1. That’s a good point. However they seem to really be taking a aggressive stance to combat piracy this time around. I would ‘think’ they would have a contingency plan to prevent that but knowing Sony maybe they are that arrogant.

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      1. Sony hasn’t learned anything regarding piracy.
        The harder they push against it, the more they spur it on.
        If it ever gets to the point where Pirates literally cannot get around the security no matter what, then the system might suffer in some way, like not getting sales from people who are frustrated that the security is too tight and affecting non-pirates as a result in some way.

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  40. Nintendo proved it wasn’t Sega a long time ago. Graphics don’t matter for android/iwhatever games, but they do matter for everything else? Okay. The Wii ruled, and it had plenty of flaws. Now, with the Wii U, many flaws are gone, giving Nintendo a good future in my eyes. Nintendo has HD now, it can play the blu ray disc games now. Both of these hurt Wii a lot. The online functions are better, blasting away anything PS3 and friends could do. This console is much more developer friendly than Wii. Social network. Tablet controller. First Party games that WILL sell a console, SSB4 being the biggest one. This console generation will push Nintendo to make the best games it ever has. It should also get more 3rd party coverage than it has in a while. Plus the console is literally also a Wii. Also I’m posting from one right now. I always browse on Wii U now. It has such a legit browser. Haters gonna hate right. Too scared of being made fun of by their bigger brother to play a Mario game. Or a Zelda game, you know, the best game series in existence? Look at that track record… I’m done.

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    1. Louis claims that developers see the Wii U as an underpowered console, one that ‘can’t even match the graphics firepower of the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3.

      An offical idiot.

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      1. Seeing as Ubisoft is a huge support for the Wii U right now and Activision says they are going to support it. Plus all the indie devs. I know there are many others!

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      1. “Damage control” is a buzz term used by people whom either are not intelligent enough or too lazy to look up the facts. In a debate about gaming, it is equivalent to saying ‘NO MAS.’

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  46. Fuckin asshole who doesnt know anything. Wii u can run pc version of need for speed most wanted, so its more powerful than ps3 and xbox 360. Oh btw Sega Dreamcast was much better console than ps2 and xbox, it was fuckin horrible day when they went 3rd party. That will not happen to Nintendo because they have money unlike Sega back in the day. And i am fuckin sick hearin all the time that wii u is underpowered, because its a lie. Yes there will be difference between wii u and next two consoles, but so there was between dreamcast and first xbox and it wasnt that big difference. And i had more fun playing with dreamcast and gamecube than with any other 6th generation console, because they were innovative and they did things differently. Fuck you Noobes(or whatever you are).

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  49. “Weak U is an underpowered console, one that ‘can’t even match the graphics firepower of the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3” oh god I jizzed all over that quote. The Weak U is a primitive console for pimple face virgins living with their parents. The 8th gen console will be between Sony and Microsoft. Gaytendo can take their shitty kiddie games to the App Store when they go 3rd party in 2014.

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    1. Why not wait to judge it at the end of it’s life. When everyone realizes the Wii U sold more than the Xbox 720 and PS4 combined, and for some reason they are shocked beyond belief. They’ll be like “Oh my gAWD! I thought Nintendo was going software only!?”… :/ morons.

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  52. The console has been out 3 months and people are worried, I’m sure it will be a best seller when 3D mario, zelda etc come out and that won’t be too long, forget that, by next Christmas it will. Tbh it needs more games, advertisements, because in my opinion it’s just the 3DS again. Give it time.

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  53. if you hate the wii u you know nothing about gaming and your prob 8-14 years old (if not your a child in your head) all consoles have there own strong points and there are always flaws,nothing is perfect.a real gamer doesn’t hate,he games!

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  55. It’s amazing how many of these analysts analysts/people who know nothing about games want Nintendo to fail. It’s like how many people want bigger football clubs (that’s proper football to your Americans, not your hardly-ever-involves-your-foot and takes all day to play ‘football’) to fail because of jealousy.

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  56. Wow another fucking moron.
    First of all most devs don’t care about an “underpowered” system, the Dreamcast is still getting support to this day. The 720 is rumored to be not much more powerful than Wii U. A lot of devs hate having to risk resources on making big games simply for “power”, because of rising budgets.
    As for the 3DS losing to ipads, that’s fucking stupid. They’re two different markets. You don’t put laptops and games consoles in the same market do you? Sometimes these
    Nintendo are nowhere near the new Sega, it took a LOT of stupid decisions for sega to lose market share and end up fading into obscurity.

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      1. People are still “making” games for the DC, I use the term make loosely because it’s either some overhead racing game or a horizontal-scrolling space shooter, think gradius.

        While they are technically games, the development time for them is just too long; it’s great to see fans still making games for a great system that was ahead of it’s time but it’s a plug that should have been disconnected long ago. They remain unnoticed to those outside of the DC scene, which is pretty much everybody.

        That’s just my opinion though. The only benefit I see from “making” games for DC is to just test out your development skills before moving on the “Bigger, Badder” engines and whatnots.

        In layman’s term, people be “hacking” them DCs and wanting new games and fans “deliver”.

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  57. Everybody needs to say something bad about Nintendo now. It’s the new trend. Wait untill they realise what the hardware can do with a new Mario, Zelda and Retro Studio’s IP. Forbes is so Well informed, that they think the WiiU can’t match the power of current gen consoles, well that’s not what Need for Speed shows at our eyes!

    It’s easy to compare games with cellphones and say cellphones sells more! of course! they CELLPHONES! everybody has a cellphone, games are mainstream now, and everything has games, but consoles and handhelds are not going ANYwhere, Before this generation is over, people will hardly believe what Nintendo will achieve with the WiiU, just like the 3DS.

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    1. I agree with you, while I understand the worry over the fact that the Wii U has failed to meet expectation, I think it’s still too early to jump the gun and say that Nintendo will go 3rd Party or that the Wii U is the new DC or whatever people will say about Nintendo and it’s endeavors.

      Honestly I have a cellphone and I don’t play any games on it. I’ve never even played Angry Birds, I know what it is, which is the reason why I don’t play it…not that it’s a bad game, just not my cup of tea. I rather play a game with more substance to it, don’t get it mistaken with graphics though, I rather take a great game lacking in the graphics department but with much thought and love put into it than a game that just yells “Hey buy me! I have cool graphics!” a la FF XIII or whatever number it is…ummm the one with the goofy named characters; Lightning and Snow BUT I also don’t want something too simple, such as any mini game collection, think Nintendo Land, or as I previously stated Angry Birds.

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      1. I see, but you know what man? Nintendo might be laughing right now. I don’t think this is a ”bad marketing” because the system speakes for itself. Just like the first time people heard the Wii name, they laughed, said Nintendo was doomed, but once Nintendo showed what Wii was about, everybody wanted to play it.

        All this talk about Nintendo and WiiU after 3 months with only the line up games and a few other, and even after the PS4 reveal, people just don’t stop talking about the WiiU, its a mistery! its the still unknow console. is it powerfull? will it have support? once Nintendo show, what the system can do, just like it did with the Wii, people will see what’s power is about! what they were missing on HD gamming. not just cool graphics, but what HD can do with gameplay improvements and innovations, things that I’m sure was neglected on current gen, because they focused too much on graphics over gameplay.

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      2. Yeah, I don’t understand it either, but I guess it’s easy to bully on the “new kid”, I’m sure the same thing will happen with the Xbox720/PS4, we’ll be seeing articles soon enough about which system kicks the other to the curbs and how that company is doomed. In about 2 weeks I’ll be too busy playing Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate to even bother to check up on any news, I might even pick up that Lego game as well as the need for speed, my nephew wants to play sometimes but all I have is CoD and it’s too violent for him, since he’s still too young and I don’t want to expose him to that kind of stuff, in due time lol jk.

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      3. I’m getting all these games for wiiu, and lego is gonna be great! :D

        Nintendo did an awesome job building the WiiU and differentiating itself from the competition, because once those two godzillas come out, they might fight untill the death of both, iwata said it sometime ago.

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  59. Anyone who refers to it as “graphics firepower” does not know what they are talking about. If said “graphics firepower” was the most important thing, then why is the 3DS outselling the vita like 10 to 1? and why did the wii outsell both the 360 and PS3? With 11 billion in the bank and the wii u only costing the company 1.5 billion, how exactly are they going to stop making consoles?

    also wii u has already sold 1/3 of the total dreamcast sales. in just a few months with barely any games to back it.

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  60. People have been saying this stuff since the Gamecube. People underestimate and misunderstand Nintendo. And what would American economists know, they’ll all advising mergers right now, despite their history of failure when done under these circumstances. People seem to think companies have to be king of the world to survive and they think far more short term than they ever have. It’s a bad case of Twitteritis.

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  61. Yes. Nintendo is the new Sega
    Because Nintendo has had 3 generations of losses from consoles.
    Because they don’t have a handheld division netting them millions
    Because they don’t have more money than most of us can comprehend in the bank
    =___=
    You’d think that Forbes wouldn’t have articles that look a lot like tabloid drivel. Apparently not

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  62. Tell that to Sony who is barely surviving. Nintendo is focusing on one thing, and that’s gaming! In these times it isn’t very smart to have a console that can barely sell 10.000 units a month, i get that, but i strongly believe that with this E3 coming up, with some of Sakurai’s projects revealed, perhaps a sneek peek at other stuff, hopefully Monolith Soft’s project will be revealed in more detail!

    It doesn’t really mean jack shit if Nintendo goes out of business as such, but they still have the 3DS, which is looking to become even more popular than it’s predecessor, so i think they can fall back on that, Sega didn’t have that oppurtinity! Sega had multiple failues before the Dreamcast, that had cost them a lot! Nintendo’s GameCube wasn’t a succes as such, but it was followed by the Wii and DS, which are two of the best selling consoles of all time… i do not believe that Nintendo are THAT ignorant. When the Wii U gets it popular franchises, it’ll get it’s momentum (even though the internet has somehow created this idea that Mario and Zelda can in fact get old and stale… lol then you SERIOUSLY don’t own a Nintendo product, that’s for sure!)

    The Wii U is a great machine, it has taken me back to console gaming, and the time i spend on core games will be on the PC, but the time i spend on good old fun for fun games will be on the Wii U! Nothing beats a good Mario game, and heck i have had a lot of fun with Sonic and All-Stars Racing Transformed! Still playing Xenoblade, and that’s a pretty serious game, one of the best JRPG’s of this gen, so if you’re on this site to convince me that i’m wrong, because Forbes says something – a company that’s doesn’t really have anything to do with the business, or know the strategies – then go away, you clearly don’t own a Wii U, you’re clearly biased as fuck, and you’re a graphics whore, i know you disagree with that, but WHAT does better hardware do? It allow for better graphics (and games packed with more useless stuff to convince you that you’re buying something stellar, when in reality, all it is, is distractions from the truly important thing about gaming: the simply joy and fun of it)

    I’m happy with my Wii U, i’m getting a PS4, Microsoft can suck me, and i will always have my PC, so i can roll the ‘elitist’ comments out now and then, when the console fanboys become annoying.

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  64. “underpowered console, one that ‘can’t even match the graphics firepower of the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3.”
    Whaaat! -_____-

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  65. False. Nintendo can not exist with out Nintendo Hardware. Nintendo hardware is innovative and fun. Even if it is “underpowered” They will always have innovation on their side. Wii U is going to be just like 3DS… It was kinda slow the first few months. but after it picks up a bunch of games, it will turn into a fantastic console, like no other. I’m sure the PS360 II will be cute but generally speaking, Im sure it will be more of the same. Except with Kinect, and move and smart glass things. Which I’m sure is going to try to be the Gamepad…. But I dont see it working as smoothly and nearly as well as the gamepad does. BUT back to the original point. Nintendo is original, they need an original console, if hardware goes, Nintendo goes. End of story. Nintendo is classy like that. Not that we have anything to worry about.

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  66. Le sigh
    1. The Dreamcast is not what caused Sega to stop making consoles. It was the combination of: DC+ Sega Saturn + Sega CD + all the shitty add-ons to the Genesis (32x, if you want an example) that got them bankrupt. Even if the Wii U ends up failing, it’s gonna take much more than that to end Nintendo seeing as the Wii sold a lot and they’re still strong with handheld gaming which brings me to my second point…

    2. I’m not gonna hold my words back this time. Shut. The. Fuck. Up. about cellphones and tablets taking over the handheld market. No one, I repeat, no one buy these with the sole intention of playing games, they’re just a little plus for people who get bored while taking a crap. Besides, all of the games you find on these are purely casual. Can you picture playing Persona 4 Golden on the Ios? Or Fire Emblem Awakening on an android? Or Zelda on the Ipod Touch?

    3. The Wii U not being as powerful as the 360 or PS3…honestly I don’t see where analysts are getting that from. And I’m not being a fanboy here; I had no plans of getting a Wii U until that recent conference that showcased a lot of awesome games. If they’re assuming this based on the launch titles here’s two things
    – The 360 and PS3 launch titles weren’t all that impressive either, graphically speaking. They’re still in the first phase of the console and many developers stated that the console was very powerful.
    -Power isn’t what sells a console, rather new ideas. I was underwhelmed by the PS4 because the ”innovation” it showed seemed very superficial: gamers aren’t all that shallow. You need to add more than graphics or frames per seconds to sell something new. While the Wii U game pad isn’t that innovating, it shows Nintendo at least tries to add another perspective on gaming and developers will have a good reason to produce exclusives for it.

    Get my points? Those kind of guys need to get their damn heads out of their asses and stop assuming drastic crap like that will ever happen.

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    1. TL;DR?
      Sega’s failure was more than the dreamcast
      Androids, Ios… etc are NOT gaming systems
      Too early to say ”the Wii U ain’t powerful” and power doesn’t matter that much anyway.

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  67. I see there are Microsoft and Sony fanboys even writing for Forbes magazine. Everything the guy said is totally false. Wii U isn’t underpowered compared to Xbox 360 and PS3. Also, iOS is doing better than DS and 3DS in terms of sales, but that doesn’t mean Nintendo is failing at the handheld market…

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  68. This article is full of $#!%, The Wii U isn’t as powerful as PS4, but it’s NOT the Wii vs PS3 all over again. Not by a long shot. The Wii U is much more powerful than PS3/360, and once the ports stop, OR if the ports are done right like Criterion did with NFS:MW, and games for Wii U AND PS4 are shown together, like Watch Dogs, this stupid argument will be put to rest. They are not going the way of SEGA. SEGA lost lots of money on the 32X, the SEGA CD, and the Saturn, before they gave up during the Dreamcast’s life cycle. Nintendo hasn’t taken a loss on hardware ever, up until the 3DS price cut. Even now the 3DS is selling at a profit. The Wii U won’t be a loss much longer, unless they cut the price sooner rather than later, but it doesn’t matter much because other than last year, Nintendo has only operated with profits, and have a huge stockpile of cash. SEGA didn’t have that.

    This idea that iPad sales being higher than 3DS sales means something, is a misnomer, and utter crap. Oh really? You mean a tablet has sold more than a gaming device? A phone has sold more than a gaming device? Big deal. Lots of people want to browse the internet, skype, make phone calls and use apps. That’s why they buy that overpriced apple junk. (I own an iphone 5 and yes, it’s vastly overpriced for what it is) Gaming on those devices is an after thought. Nobody says “gee, let me go buy a $600 iPad to play cut the rope and angry birds! That said, the 3DS is on pace to be the best selling video game hardware EVER, but somehow that’s meaningless these days. This guy may know finance, writing for Forbes, but he doesn’t understand a single thing about the video game industry.

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    1. Unfortunately it will never be put to rest because people don’t care about facts. Otherwise we wouldn’t be here. People hate for hate’s sake. Not because they have tangible reason. People complained about the 3DS being too expensive. Nintendo lowered the price. People complained about the lack of games for the 3DS, Nintendo started rolling out a lot of games. People complained about it not having a second circle pad. Nintendo made an attachment for a second circle pad. People complained about the 3ds being too small. Nintendo made the 3DS XL.

      For the moment people have run out of excuses to complain about for the 3DS, but you get my point. No matter what Nintendo does people aren’t going to be satisfied. If Nintendo made every change people claim they want on the Wii U, they still will complain.

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  69. Why do you judge the system when it’s only a 4 months old? Jesus, Mary and Joseph!

    *facepalm

    If Nintendo really loss track to it’s gaming glory, they may be gone for good in the days of Gamecube but they still here. Mockery on Nintendo is pretty unbelievable. From Wii – Wii U and DS – 3DS. Look at Wii is an old tech but still we surprise what the company just did. Also developers make some surprisingly good games to this old tech. Also on 3DS, they manage to sell well in this generation even on the rise of gaming tablet and phone. In life or business sometimes we face falldown but doesn’t mean you have to give up. Nintendo always keep making good games, they keep innovating and proving themselves worthy as an gaming company and people will eventually find its place again in Nintendo’s Gaming World. So Wii U will have it’s own success for good. I’m not dreamin but I have found gaming is to have fun and I found that on Nintendo.

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  71. “Louis claims that developers see the Wii U as an underpowered”
    Ubisoft:”Wii U is pretty good and sometimes too good that devs may find hard to develop it”
    im pretty sure im going with Ubisoft opinion
    Forbes, gtfo

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  72. Can people stop saying zelda is milked like mario or cough ummm almost every shooting game ever. Wind waker to twilight princess to skyward sword was so much different it was great and different storywise and gameplay wise…….no milkin there

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    1. Even if it is true, however, Zelda has his own universe, and a very complex one
      Releasing new games is not milking but expanding it

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  73. Well I wouldn’t really say that, Nintendo might be in some financial trouble but I wouldn’t say they are the next Sega because Sega was spending too much money and quite a lot of developers got sick of the Dreamcast, which is a shame because the Dreamcast was an amazing console.

    All of the Big 3 are having trouble at the moment but I wouldn’t say any of them are the next Sega because they are all smart enough.

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  75. This is the same old “videogames will perish, the future of game is mobile gaming”. I still waiting mobile to surface and destroy the consoles. A wild Nintendo 3DS appeared!

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  76. Nintendo won’t be a next sega I am sure of it. When core games of Nintendo( Zelda,Metroid,supersmash,pokemon..etc) came out to Wii U will sell more,then other company’s will start to make more games to Wii U.The only mistake nintendo made is released Wii U with out a lot nintendo core games. Same thing happened with 3DS but when nintendo 3ds core games came out Nintendo 3ds sold more and more…I said this because I buy nintendo games because I love its games, I have xbox 360 too.you see.Every console is unique. but I prefer a good story and game play .Game graphics is only %30 of important for me..

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  77. Nintendo haters used to say that 20 years ago, They were right… not.
    For the thousandth time, Nintendo console are NOT just about power (unlike the competitors).
    You could have said the same thing about the Wii in terms of power, compared to PS3 and 360. Except that it became Nintendo’s most selling console. Power is not all you know.
    Wii U will be successful. Haters gonna hate.

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  79. you fanboys( every company) are a buch of pieces of shit, winny, assholes, i like to play games i like to have fun, alone or with my friends no one gives 2 fucking damns about how is better we are all gamers, no.. we are all people repect each other.
    So shut up get out play something have a life enjoy your life don´t wasted here bitching about everything
    Good Day

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  80. The day nintendo fall will be the day that I stop playing videogames. I really have tried some of the third party games but I haven´t found the connection that I have with nintendo games, too much violence, too much blood and too much first person shooters; the same formula: great visuals, absolut boring. Maybe some ubisoft games and some wayfoward games and some indie games grab my atention but i could list tons of “next generation games” that i wouldn´t miss.

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  81. Nintendo wont be software because 2 things they have those Japanese gamers who love pokemon and fire emblem. another thing is they have killer first party games like Zelda and Metroid and donkey kong ect and im not gana say Mario because that’s what Nintendo makes money off of. but I feel like Nintendo needs to stop with all the secrecy because it forces gamers to have nothing to look forward to. I mean I do love the Nintendo directs but they only announce games dedicated to the Japanese rpg lovers and casual gamers. but I still wish Nintendo get back on the more hard core side cause Nintendo has been casual since after the gamecube and that’s what turned me off about the wii but to say that Nintendo is going to be software is like saying pokemon is gana die out in japan and we all know that’s far from happening. so guys when you see these kinda articals plz avoid them because what you do is you kill the gaming community and you piss gamers off to make them hate publishers and game developers which leads to the game industry collapse. at least that’s how I feel…….

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  82. It’s like if they keep saying this stuff enough times that it’ll become true. Vita is more powerful than the 3DS but we all know what happened there. This isn’t just about power, it’s about content. That’s why a 500 page book isn’t automatically better and more valuable than a 100 page one.

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  83. You know what so funny. The same people that are clamoring for Nintendo to become a 3rd party developer are the same people that claim that Nintendo’s games are too kiddy. EXPOSED.

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    2. I couldn’t agree more. If they think nintendo games are not for hardcore gamers why the hell they want mario and zelda into their playstation and xbox as third party games. Let it be.

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  84. Hey Forbes,

    Did Nintendo release the Sega CD (flop), followed by the 32X (flop) followed by the Saturn (flop) followed by the Dreamcast (awesome but still a flop)?

    No.

    Did Sega have BILLIONS in the bank when it decided to drop out of the console race?

    No.

    Can Nintendo still make a profit selling their own games and consoles no matter what 3rd parties, Sony, and Microsoft do?

    Yes.

    The Gamecube was TERRIBLE in sales and Nintendo STILL made money.

    The 3DS is selling at a better rate than the DS did. The DS has sold over 150 million units and still counting. The 3DS sales did not pick up until the price dropped and the great games started to come out. The Wii U will have great games coming out this year.

    Sony and Microsoft will continue to put out overpriced systems, sell them at a loss, and LOSE money.

    Nintendo will continue to put out conservative systems and sell them for a profit.

    Core gamers (the people who bought over 240 million consoles last gen) will never settle for a fucking iPad to play games on. NEVER

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  85. This is the response I gave to Tristan Louis on the Forbes Website.

    “Mr Louis. I’m sure you are paid handsomely for your contributions. I am also sure that the reason you have this job is because someone thought that you had some measure of knowledge. However, your actions seem to contradict that line of reasoning. IT seems like you ae just jumping on a popular bandwagon to increase traffic to your articles rather than actually researching the facts of the topic you are addressing.

    But don’t feel bad. A LOT of journalists, bloggers, websites, and media personnel do this. So you are not alone. Let’s interject some truth into this debate that you may honestly not be aware of.

    The reason why Sega failed and became a 3rd party publisher is for many reasons.

    Sega Game Gear – 11 million
    Sega Nomad – 1 million
    Sega CD – 6 million
    Sega 32X – less than 1 million
    Sega Saturn – 9.5 million
    Sega Dreamcast – 10 million

    All of those console sold VERY poorly. The only console Sega ever sold that crack the 20 million barrier was the Sega Genesis (40 million.) That was their most successful console. As big of a name that Sega was, the never really hit a home run with any of the hardware. The Genesis was the best shot and was probably when Sega was at it’s finest. Adding in the numbers of the Sega Genesis and Sega Master System you have approximately 92 million consoles sold to date from Sega.

    However after the 16-Bit era came to an end Sega’s decline stared rapidly. Now let’s look at Nintendo’s console history.

    Nintendo Color TV Game – 3 million (Winner of 1st Gen)
    Nintendo Entertainment System – 61 million (Winner of 3rd gen)
    Super Nintendo Entertainment System – 49 million (Winner of 4th Gen)
    Nintendo 64 – 32 million
    Nintendo Gamecube -21 million
    Nintendo Wii – 100 million (Winner of 7th Gen)
    Nintendo Wii U – 3.08 million in 45 days
    GameBoy -118 million (Winner of 3rd and 4th Gen)
    GameBoy Advance – 81 million (Winner of 5th gen)
    Nintendo DS 153 million (Winner of 6th and 7th Gen and best-selling console ever)
    Nintendo 3DS – 30 million (outselling the PSVita with a 4-to-1 ratio and selling at a faster pace than the original DS did.)

    So, to date, Nintendo has sold approximately 650 million consoles worldwide in 40 years. That’s more than all the consoles sold by Sony, Sega, and Microsoft COMBINED. I’ll give you a moment to let this sink in because it is a lot of information, but it is necessary to prove my point.

    ..okay. The final nail in the coffin of Sega in terms of making hardware had nothing to do with the horsepower of the Dreamcast, or the lack of DVD functionality. What killed the Dreamcast is one simple thing. Piracy. The Dreamcast was probably the easiest console in history to pirate. Hackers had a field day with it, and so did consumers. Why pay $50 dollars for NBA2k or Shenmue when I can download a boot disc and at worst pay $10 dollars from a ‘psst, over here’ guy? Or even just download the ROMs and use a disc-burning software to burn the games. Thousands of people started doing that and software sales tanked. Traditionally companies take major losses on hardware sales and make up the difference in software sales until the console starts to turn a profit. That is one reason why 3rd party support is so coveted. However if you console sells as a profit, you don’t need 3rd party support to make up the difference. That is one of the reasons why the Nintendo Wii was so successful and lucrative for Nintendo. Despite not having as much 3rd party support as Microsoft or Sony, the Wii made a profit of $40 from day one. So any revenue coming from 3rd parties was just icing on the cake for Nintendo.

    Basically, the wrap the whole Sega issue up I’ll say this. There is NO COMPARISON between Sega and Nintendo. To even fix your mouth do do so SCREAMS either a lack of intelligence, purposeful bias, or laziness to look up the facts.

    Now. As far as the Wii U being ‘underpowered’ or not ‘true next-gen.’ First of all, what does ‘underpowered’ mean? Merriam-Webster’s Dictionary defines it as

    Un-der-pow-ered
    1- driven by an engine of insufficient power
    2 – having or supplied with insufficient power

    Okay. So let’s go with that definition. Does the Wii U lack sufficient power? Well lets see. Several demos were shown last year to show off what was supposed to be “next-gen” graphics. Games such as Metal Gear Solid: Ground Zeroes, Star Wars 1313, Watch Dogs, etc. We were also led to believe that the Star Wars 1313 game was made using the Unreal Engine 4(an engine the Wii U ‘supposedly’ can’t run.) It was later revealed that not only were thee games slated to be on the PS3 and 360, not only were a couple confirmed to be footage from PC builds rather than console builds, but the Star Wars 1313 demo was running on Unreal Engine 3. Not 4, 3.

    Now, I’ll take you back to E3 2011. Nintendo unveils the Wii U for the first time. The show off two demos that give a glimpse of what the Wii U can do graphically. The first we see is what has come to be known as the Japanese Garden Demo. An absolutely gorgeous scene with breathtaking visuals all real-time and PLAYABLE to the people at the show. Then we saw the Zelda HD demo which was done in the Twilight Princess art-style. Again, gorgeous graphics far beyond anything the Wii ever had and right there with anything that has been deemed “next-gen graphics.” These demos were confirmed to be for powerful that they could not run on the PS3 and 360. Keep in mind that this footage was done in only 3 weeks time and with alpha kits. The final dev kits that developers have now are substantially more powerful.

    VP of Epic Games Mark Rein has stated that he was impressed with the demos and that they could do even more with them using Unreal Engine 3 yet. That is an interesting comment considering that the Star Wars 1313 demo that everyone claimed as “next-gen graphics” was also done using UE3. He also stated that while no game is in development for the Wii U that uses UE4, the Wii U can use UE4.

    The CEO of CryTek has come out to say that not only does the Wii U run CryEngine 3, not only does it run it “beautifully,” but there is a game in development from a well-known developer using CryEngine 3.

    Just recent Criterion Games let it be known in a recent interview that Need For Speed: Most Wanted for the Wii U will be using the same assets as the PC version because of the power and memory the system has. This is important for a number of reasons. For one, it shows that there is NO EXCUSE for the lackluster multiplat ports from various developers that are currently on store shelves for the Wii U. They have the same dev kits Criterion Games have.

    Yes, getting used to a console in which the GPU does the bulk of the workload rather than the CPU which is the way the 360 and PS3 are constructed can be a challenge. Yes, finding out how to unleash the power of the Wii U with all the embedded RAM in the GPU is also a challenge. However, Criterion Games has proven that the problem is not a lack of horsepower in the console, but rather a lack of horsepower in the motivation of the programmers. Let’s be honest. We are lazy. People would rather just copy-and-paste a game (*cough Call of Duty *cough-cough*) rather than build something from scratch. It takes a lot of time, and a lot of hard work. I understand that. All I say to that is be honest and say THAT rather than making excuses for laziness by saying that the console is ‘underpowered’ or not true “next-gen.”

    The Wii U runs a custom 1.2 GHz Tri-core PowerPC 750 CPU built to function like a Power7. It does not do all the things a Power7 can do, but it does some of them and behaves in the same way. The Wii U has 2GB of RAM, and the GPU is a custom ATI Radeon E6760. This set up annihilates the spec of the 360 and PS3. How anyone could suggest that hardware 8-9 years old could be more powerful than this should simply close their mouths and never open them again. If the Wii U underpowered? No. It is less powerful than the PS4? You betcha. Will it also be less powerful than the XBOX 720? I wouldn’t doubt it. Will it matter? Probably not. Here is why.

    Every console war from the 1st gen until now has been won by a weaker console or the weakest console.

    Nintendo Color TV Game
    Atari 2600
    NES
    SNES
    PS1
    PS2
    Wii
    GameBoy
    GameBoy Advance
    Nintendo DS

    Every last one of those system had at least one or more console more powerful than they were and in the case of the GameBoy and Wii they were the LEAST powerful and won. The most powerful systems ALWAYS FAIL.

    Odyssey
    Atari 5200
    Atari 7800″
    NEO-GEO
    N64
    XBOX
    PS3
    Game Gear
    Nomad
    PSP

    The last 40 years have proven that there is no financial advantage to gorge a console with raw horsepower. What wins a console war is when a company is successful in convincing casual gamers and non-gamers alike a reason for having your console in the house. That’s it. It really is that simple. The ‘core’ gamers are going to buy a system regardless, but that is a very small percentage despite what the general consensus thinks. The average person has neither the money, nor the interest to rush out and buy the latest console just because it’s there.

    So to wrap this whole thing up I’ll finish with a few more numbers. The Wii U sold 3 million consoles worldwide in 45 days. It sold more in it’s first month than the PS2, PS3, 360, and Wii did. It sold more in it’s first December than the PS2, PS3, 360, and Wii did. As a matter of fact, it sold more December worldwide than the PS3 and 360 did COMBINED their first December. 3.08 million Wii U’s in 45 where it took the PS2, PS2, 360, and Wii 5 MONTHS to reach that status. All this with a shaky launch library of poorly-ported retread multiplats, a TERRIBLE marketing campaign by Nintendo, and two solid months with no 1st party material.

    Yes, Nintendo had a terrible January. There is no reason to buy a Wii U right now if you haven’t already. However, if the Wii U can sell as much as it has under the aforementioned circumstances, what do you think is gonna happen when games like Super Mario Galaxy 3, Mario Kart 8, Yoshi’s Yarn, Wii Fit U, Wii Sports U, Pikmin 3, Bayonetta 2, Xenosaga, Windwaker HD, Smash Bros, Retro Studios game, and Miyamoto’s new IP hits store shelves? And that is just what we KNOW is coming. Undoubtedly, Nintendo has a lot more surprises to show at E3.

    The bottom line is, Nintendo is fine. They had 10 billion dollars CASH in the bank. They cannot sell another things and LOSE 250 million dollars a year and not go bankrupt until 2052. With their assets worth they could ride even until 2075 before complete collapse. So what they lost money. What company isn’t nowadays? Sony is selling off assets left and right to pay off debt. They are hemorrhaging money from ALL their divisions. They just unveiled a console that is going to lose TONS of money per-sale because of the hardware. Yet, people seem to think Sony is fine and Nintendo is going 3rd party. Ridiculous. Nintendo is going no place. They’ve been here for 40 year ad Lord willing they’ll be here 40 more. The Wii U may or may not win the next-gen, but it won’t be the loser.”

    ~ D2K

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    3. Actually, D2K, you took the words right out my mouth (and made them a bit more eloquently, I might add). This is one thing these ‘analysts’ keep grossly overlooking. IMO, I suspect the other reason stems from the fact, people have forgotten one adage: “unless the system has also a strong software support, the hardware essentially doesn’t mean a thing.”

      As you indicated, the reason the lower-powered consoles have ultimately performed better in sales is the fact they genuinely had great software support, not just from Third Parties, but the First Parties as well. For instance, Dreamcast was doomed not just due to piracy, but the sheer fact Sega didn’t really support the system as the Third Party companies did. Consider this, when you think of Dreamcast games, many usually recall the Third Parties ones. However, other than Sonic, and a few sports games, Sega didn’t really develop anything killer for the Dreamcast.

      Better yet, here’s a mind-blowing concept to wrap your heads around: the ColecoVision. If many recall, it was far powerful than the Atari 2600 and Intellivision combined (think an ancient version of 360). Its marketing strategy was stating it could bring arcade games home but with better graphics. So why did it fail? As you aforementioned, though the software was great, the hardware itself left something to be desired. Many disliked the keypad controllers (same problem with Intellivision), and just wanted something simple for playing games. Another factor was price, the Coleco was much more expensive than the Atari, and had less software titles under its belt.

      Currently as you also stated, D2K, one of the problems with the competition and naysayers is this: the fallacy that hi-technology is better. Whereas what they don’t know is, unless you have strong software and developer support, all you have is an overpriced, severely-limited machine.

      Overall, I agree with you on all accounts, simply because true history has demonstrated the underdog will always survive because they focus on their audience rather than just profits alone.

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    5. Yep, I was about to say “retard doesn’t know a goddamn thing of what he’s talking about” and then D2K came in and wiped his ass with him. Bravo, dude.

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    6. Let me point out that “powerful consoles” don’t always fail with the SNES. That alone debunks that notion.

      Also, the Dreamcast was weaker than the PS2 (not by much) and it still failed.

      The saying is full of AIDs and does not work when these two right here are facts.

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      1. The NEO GEO was more powerful than the SNES. People seem to forget about that console (usually purposefully to try and break up the fact of most powerful consoles never winning a war.) The SNES had a better sound card (made by Sony actually) and double the main RAM that the NEO GEO had, but the CPU of the NEO GEO destroyed the CPU of the SNES. It was not even close.

        SNES – Nintendo-custom 5A22
        (based on 65C816)
        3.58 MHz (3.55 MHz PAL)

        128 KiB main RAM
        64 KiB video RAM
        64 KiB audio RAM

        NEO GEO – Motorola 68000
        12 MHz
        Zilog Z80
        4 MHz
        64 KiB main RAM
        74 KiB video RAM
        2 KiB audio RAM

        This also shows that having more memory does not necessary translate into more power.

        Also, I said weaker ‘or’ weakest. Not just weakest.

        D2K March 3, 2013 at 5:09 pm
        “Every console war from the 1st gen until now has been won by a WEAKER console OR the weakest console.”

        Of course you deliberately ignored that part otherwise you wouldn’t have a point. I also highlighted the two instances where the weakest console won with the Wii and GameBoy. Now you could try to make excuses as to why you think the SNES specs were better, or why the NEO GEO doesn’t count, or some other mess. I hope you don’t stoop to that level. However you do realize that if you do go down that road then you are arguing that the only time in history where a console has won being the most powerful was done…by…………………Nintendo.

        Food for thought.

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  87. Lol at the comment about kids at a playground, go to college and for every ipad you see there will be at least 50 3ds’s in the area

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  88. Everyone wants to sound smart by attacking Nintendo. Is the Wii U underpowered, compared to what? Nintendo needs more games period. If Nintendo brings really good games out this year, they can turn it all around.

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    2. And a new system never has a ton of great games immediately. Pretending that this won’t be a similar issue for the other new consoles is just silly.

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  90. Vita is freaking plundering but everyone gives it hope…… why cant we give hope to the Wii U? i swear, so many people these days in gaming only like to beat up nintendo and then at the end they take the cake -___- so Ninten-haters can talk all they want but Wii U will do fine as time goes on!!

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    1. This discussion is useless. Nintendo isn’t going anywhere. They have been in the centre of gaming for 30 years, outlived sega, atari, commodore etc, stepped out of the graphics battle of Sony and Microsoft, founded a whole new moneystream in casual gaming, are owning the handheld market, they are healthy, despite ups and downs and not having to or be able to rely on other departments which sony and microsoft need to do and have tons of IP’s that sell consoles for them. They. Won’t. Drop. Out.

      What happend with the other consoles in the early stages? If there aren’t enough (good) titles, they don’t sell. Sony’s ps3 would’t get out of the shelves even if customes would get paid to take them. Same as the XBOX and 3DS for that matter. The Wii U just doesn’t have any titles at the moment. It doesn’t get any simpler than that. Wait till the first party titles arrive and spit your doom about nintendo’s future then please.

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    2. i dont hate the vita but its proprietary memory card that is super expensive, sure some memory cards like micro sd in some stores like office depot are expensive (i.e. 4gb micro sd $25) but come on sending a lot of money on storage is more expensive than buying vita games. wii u will not be the end of nintendo, in fact its the begining and yes nintendo will stay for a long time

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  91. excuse mii 3DS IS OWNING WIIU IS OUT SELLING PS3 AND X360 COMBINED AT THIS POINT IN ITS LIFE TIME NINTENDO BACK IN PROFIT VITA IS DEAD

    3DS BIGGEST SELLER IS 9MILLION VITA BIGGEST SELLER IS 900K FORBS IS BEING INDUSTRY DUMB AND LIKELY PAYED TO SUGGEST THIS BY INDUSTRY INSIDERS JUST AS PACHTER IS

    THE INDUSTRY SPENDS MILLIONS ON THIS ANTI NINTENDO NONSENSE IS RATHER PATHETIC

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  92. im sick of SPEC RETARDS WHO DONT UNDERSTAND COMPUTE SCIENCE

    8GIG RAM IRRELEVENT VIDEOGAME MACHINES STREAM IN DATA NOT HOLD DATA LIKE A COMPUTER AND PS3 HAS TO READ WRITE OVER AND OVER AGAIN FROM MAIN RAM

    WIIU HAS 70 X MORE FAST CATCH LIKE RAM ON ITS GPU VS PS4S GPU

    PS4 HAS 4X MORE MAIN RAM THAN WIIU BUT WIIU HAS 70X MORE FAST RAM ON THE GPU THAN PS4

    WIIU CAN RENDER AND DEFERRED RENDER ON THE MCM WITH OUT REUSING MAIN RAM

    PS4 HAS TO READ WRITE WITH MAIN SLOW RAM OVER AND OVER

    THE GAP IN REAL WORLD GRAPHICS BETWEEN WIIU AND PS4 IS TIGHTER THAN PS2 VS XBOX

    SONY ARE TRYING THE IT DOESNT WORK SPEC BULL SHIT IN A ERA OF GRAPHICS SATURATION IDIOTS!!!

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    1. I all i have to say i agree with what you said it is obvious that the PS4 is more powerful than Wii U , but the gap everybody thinks the PS4 will have, will be a lot smaller than what they are expecting. Long live Nintendo, Micro$oft, and $ony,

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      1. The gap is going to be very significant. Almost identical to that of PS3 to Wii. The RAM alone is more than 16 times as powerful, and it’s almost 10 times as powerful and fast compared to Wii U’s anemic RAM. And that means more than just prettier graphics, too, which Nontendo fans don’t seem to understand.

        What is hilarious is how many Nintendo fanboys were going on and on about how powerful the Wii U will be before it came out, and even afterward were putting up videos on YouTube comparing it to the 360 and PS3, showing off how the ports on Wii U looked marginally better… but then PS4 is announced, and they show off PRE-ALPHA games and they already look better than anything on the Wii U currently or that will be released this year, and now SUDDENLY, power no longer matters!

        Before PS4 = “Ooo, look how powerful the Wii U is! Yeah, 1080p baby! Long live Nintendo!”

        After PS4 = “Psh, power doesn’t mean anything, NINTENDO ROOLZ!!!”

        Bunch. Of. Hypocrites.

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      2. One thing is clear however: the gap of power between the Wii and Wii U is obviously much larger than the gap between the PS3 and PS4.
        In other words, 1080 is kinda of a big deal for Nintendo, or at least a step that was necessary.
        On the other hand, the PS4 leaves me cold because, at this point, just improving the hardware feels a tad superficial; there doesn’t seem to be much to the console aside from the increase in power.

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      5. “RAM alone is more than 16 times as powerful, and it’s almost 10 times as powerful and fast compared to Wii U’s anemic RAM”

        There is no mention of the PS3 in that sentence. If that is what you meant, then fine. However that is not what you said and my response it to what you said, not what you meant and clarified after the fact.

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      6. You “agree” with what he says? He pulls performance figures out of his ass. Especially on the system wars forum where he’s made a mockery of practically every time he posts.

        His mission is to be as huge of an idiot as possible and lure idiots into thinking he knows what he’s talking about.

        He doesn’t, I’m afraid :)

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      7. Yeah, I’m concerned with a bunch of pretend and high schoolers “mocking me” lmao. Seriously kid, I’ve accomplished more in my life than you probably ever will. I come here to annoy you twits, and you all bite the bait EVERY time, just like now. It’s obvious I get to you otherwise you’d not even remember me or pay attention to me. You can make up whatever excuses you want but it’s plainly obvious by all your rage replies that I bother you.

        And what’s worse: all you kids do is diss everything that isn’t Nintendo SIMPLY because it isn’t Nintendo, because your mommies only bought you one console and you therefore can’t appreciate more than one at a time. It’s fucking pathetic and hilarious all at the same time :)

        Thanks for playing!

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  93. Meh. Itll get worse after e3 guys. Expect everyone to hate our awesome exclusives, our kickass controller and EQUAL third party offerings that are only gonna be missing the ps4 exclusive freckles.

    Nintendo’s getting dumped on because the hardcore ms’ers are upset that theyll have to dance in front of a smartwall to control masterchiefs new centrally required kinect, and the playstation crew is irked because sony expects them to wear vr hats and 3d goggles in the shape of retard helmets.

    Haters dont even know how much theyre gonna love nintendo this gen. Their loyalty to companies that do nothing but rip nintendo off the WRONG way IS adorable, tho.

    Theyve gotten so desperate theyre pinning tomb raider, deadspace3 and crysis on their vests like badges of f’n honor for christ’s sake.

    No one talking crap about wiiu is gonna be found when the tables turn. Just like the vita lovers that hated on 3ds.

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    2. None of anything you said is legitimate or even makes sense.

      MS won’t abandon the traditional controller, Sony is making worthwhile innovations like playing games as they download and making their hardware more easy to port and program for compared to PCs (which devs make their games on/for), and Nintendo is doing…? Oh that’s right, they’re doing what MS and Sony were doing nearly 10 years ago, only they’re doing it with (oh wow) a second a screen! Ooo! Ahhh! Wow. Nothing like decade old hardware with a fancy screen for menus and for holding up to “scan the area with” like you annoyingly have to do in ZombiU! Oh and MiiVerse? That’s revolutionary? Did you not even know about PlayStation Home? It’s almost exactly the same thing, only MiiVerse uses low-res ugly characters that look like they were pulled from a badly made Nintendo 64 game. Wow. How awesome and un-customizable that is. OMG YOU CAN CHANGE THEIR SHIRT COLOUR?! WOOOOW!!

      Give me a break. Nintendo’s third party support is NOT equal. It’s fucking pathetic right now, and Nintendo isn’t doing much about it. It’s going to just focus on what they always do: Making Mario, Zelda, and Pokemon games. That’s it.

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      2. Arguing is about having two people discussing their opinions but while they differ, both parties just try to show the other their insight on the situation and remain respectful.

        Skadoofus just writes rage-filled rants and picks fights with people, hoping they’ll talk back so that he can call them fanboys.

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      3. Did I say I don’t argue?

        Seriously, go back and read what I said before. I said I discuss the politics of it.

        Did I insult anyone in this post? Nope. Did I call them names? Nope. All I did was criticize Nintendo for being a decade behind the time, and criticize folks on this site for claiming that having a second screen makes them “revolutionary” and makes up for all their shortcomings (it doesn’t).

        And what happens? The fanboy raging goes nuts. They can’t stand anyone criticizing Nintendo, even when they deserve to be. Even when I make it annoyingly obvious, they STILL deny it. Not ONE reply has said anything about the actual topic, have you noticed?

        It’s all just whining about how negative I am or how much of a meanie I am, meanwhile I deal with many of you called me a piece of shit or a “fucking dipshit” on a regular basis without one ounce of complaining.

        THAT is how in denial you all are. It’s incredible.

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      4. Say whatever you want, but at least Nintendo is trying to offer gamers a new way to play their games, which gives third party company a reason to make exclusives for it. Sure the Gamepad might seem a tad gimmicky but at least there’s some effort.

        Sony doesn’t really bring anything new to the table; I’m fine with my PS3 as it is and they haven’t really given me a reason to buy another one with a (proportionally) slight increase in power.

        Also, what matters to a console is its games, Nintendo will keep making Mario and Zelda because that’s what their fans enjoy, there’s a reason why their series have been around for decades: because they can do different things with them. First party titles IS what they excel at after all; that’s irrefutable.

        Finally, if Nintendo and their fans piss you off that much, why are you even here ?Don’t you have any more pleasant and relaxing hobbies?

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      5. I am not reading any of that, simply because I saw a paragraph start off with “Sony doesn’t really bring anything new to the table”.

        If you’re going to ignore everything that happened last month and be THAT ignorant, then I’m not even going to attempt to talk to you.

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      6. Don’t call someone ignorant when you flat out admit you skim what they’re writing and refuse to read anything else once see ONE sentence you don’t agree with. I have bothered to read all of you posts even when I saw logical fallacies; is asking you to pay the same amount of respect to others too much?
        What I meant by that was: aside from graphics and power, the PS4 doesn’t have anything groundbreaking. Not all gamers are shallow enough to buy their consoles based on how powerful the hardware.

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      1. I don’t argue video games. I discuss the politics of them in an intelligent, civilized manner. It’s the fanboy cretins on this site that fly off the handle and hurl insults and rage posts. Do NOT link me together with that lot…

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      2. you didn’t read the entire thing did you i don’t want a single company in the console making to go software only. you are being the Hypocrite.

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      4. Complains about people throwing insults and raging…
        Calls them fanboys and morons while claiming to simply discuss in a civilized manner…
        K, whatever.

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      5. I call a fanboy a fanboy when they’re being a fanboy. I don’t rage out and say things like “you’re a fucking piece if shit and I hope you get stabbed and run over” (actual quote someone on this site said to me recently).

        I think that separates me from them quite significantly. But you can “k whatever” all you want if it makes you feel/sleep better.

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      6. Once again, completely misunderstanding the point.
        You still respond in a very provocative manner, this qualifies as ”raging out”. There are more polite ways to express disagreement. And don’t use the ”well I’m at least I’m not as bad as them” argument. It’s completely irrelevant.

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    1. The vast majority of your posts are negative.
      Maybe you don’t like arguing, but you do a lot of damage control and hating on Nintendo.

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      1. Indeed, if you go to a Nintendo website with an already negative opinion, you’re basically begging to argue.

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      2. “Negative” and “realistic” are not the same.

        Was I wrong? Did the fanboys NOT rage and spit out “FUCK FORBES” posts and anti-everything-that-doesn’t-praise-Nintendo posts?

        Of course they did. I’m merely pointing out how absurd they are. If that’s “negative”, maybe they should reevaluate their behaviour?

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      3. And? You see it as negative, I see it as a dose of reality to all the kids on here that blindly follow Nintendo and shun everything else simply because it isn’t Nintendo.

        Trust me, I do the same on XBOX and PlayStation websites. Fanboys, of any platform or console, are pathetic and delusional almost all the time. And there’s no talking sense to them because they’re brainwashed.

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      4. I mean what I’m about to say, and I do I’m saying it for your own good.
        Find a better hobby, you will find much more genuine joy that way.
        Also, don’t generalise: if everyone on this website was just like you described: you’d get 1000x more replies, and all of them would be insults.
        Funny you accuse everyone here to be fanboys who ”blindly follow Nintendo”, but meanwhile you seem to completely blind yourself from members who post legitimate comments and remain down to earth; from the looks of it, you only pay attention to those who take offense to everything.
        Trust me, I’m a huge Nintendo fan (though the Wii U has left me cold so far…though I do hope it will get better) and I can’t stand that kind of behavior either, though I’m not too fond of trolls who purposely press their buttons just to get a reaction either.

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      5. I can do whatever I like. And I enjoy it just fine. You seem to think I spend an inordinate amount of time here out of nothing else to do in my life.

        I come here once a day, maybe, for 10 – 15 minutes when I have time, and usually only reply on one topic a day/every other day. That’s hardly demanding of my free time.

        I am educated, successful career-wise, an have a fantastic social life. Which is WHY I can stand coming here and doing what I do and not have it bother me. But it seems to bother you all very much. Maybe YOU need to reevaluate your life, it seems…

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      6. It didn’t bother me, just worried me. From my perception, it looked like you tried to find self-worth by acting like you’re way superior and that your opinion is the one that matters the most in front of a bunch of fanboys. Doesn’t matter whether you spend 5 minutes or 1 hour doing that. It’s the attitude in itself.

        If you have a successful life like you claim you do, sure I’ll take your word for it. After all, everything that everyone says about their life on the internet is true.

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  96. It’s rediculous how Nintendo records it’s first quarterly loss and everyone screams it’s over for them and they are the next Sega but Sony is closing studios losing money in all it’s departments but they aren’t being put on the “Sega” pedestal?! Man the gaming community is assed backwords

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  98. The people on this site are the definition of fanboys. Both Sony and Nintendo.You guys bring shame to the companies you support.

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  99. It’s kind of funny, because people writing articles about Sega and Nintendo today really don’t know their history, their FULL history. Sega started out as a 3rd party company making games for Atari, Coleco, and Mattel before becoming first party in 1983 with the SG-1000, which would eventually lead to the Master System in America in 1986. I have had people argue that so too was Nintendo. That’s not true. Nintendo actually started out as a first party company in 1977 making the Color TV Game 6 a full 6 years before the Family Computer’s debut in 1983, and we know the Famicom later became the NES in 1985. Point is, Nintendo wouldn’t be the next Sega, they’d be the Next Atari- a company who started out as a first party company in 1977, then became a 3rd party independent today. Granted Atari just exists in name only, it was decimated in the 90’s, but still, both Nintendo and Atari started out as hardware makers who introduced their systems in the late-70’s. THAT is why the Famicom was such a success in the early-80’s, Nintendo already had a success in their Color TV Game 6 when the Famicom debuted. It wasn’t luck, it was their having been in the hardware business for 6 years!! Geez, people, PLEASE do some history and fact finding BEFORE you write articles. Thanks you.

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  100. What these “Reporters” forget is that the ps4 well cost a lot to take advantage of that hardware, the Wii U well cost far less in the long run. 2) the tablet like controller well allow lots of iPad/windows 8/ android games over. This well be grate for indo developers and for studios looking to port (which is grate for digital sales) 3) Nintendo well always sell systems with Zelda, Mario, Mario cart, dinky king, Kirby, smash brothers, Metroid, and they continue to make new ip’s all the time. They have locked Dow. Grate partner deals as well like with bayoneta. Nintendo is so big in the development world they can afford these kind of partnerships and continue to make more money in the long run.
    The reason for slow sales is they opened with 2D Mario, and no other big ip’s once a new 3D Mario comes, wind weaker reborn, Mario cart, new Zelda (in HD) and other ip’s fallow they well start to sell more. Only BIG fans got one now, or those that saw a age they wanted to get, but most are waiting to hear when their favorites are coming out. Pokémon and Zelda well always sell a lot and a HD Pokémon and a HD Zelda is something we have bin wanting. Also revs just need time to see what to do with the controller, combined with the pro, and Wii remote controls as well. They well be doing just fin this round BUT they well need to be berry creative for the 9th gen

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  101. It’s funny because I believe, looking at GameGear and Dreamcast for example, that SEGA went down because it made very powerful but also very expensive, ahead-of-their-time consoles. They tried to hard to reach a future that wasn’t gonna be there for a while. The Dreamcast was quite similar to an XBox, but way too early and too expensive.

    So what I leard from SEGA’s doom is there’s risk when you try to reach unreasonable power/graphic performances on expensive systems with ugly controllers. So maybe Sony should slow down a little, right?

    Yeah this is me turning around the Nintendo-bashing tendency, just for the fun of it ^^

    Also, SEGA and Sony both have four-letter company names beginning with an S, that doesn’t foretell anything good for Sony… Just saying ;)

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  102. This has got to be the biggest, laughable article i have ever read on the internet. Just like pacther, no valid evidence to back up their statements. Nintendo got this in the bag, i bet their laughing their asses off on the corporate desk when they read these types of articles. In regard to ps4, since ps3 sony has made a image of being powerful than any other console in a generation. Now with PS4, it appears that their lingering more to western developers with those specs being near pc level, where the west still has alot of pc gaming, thus making MOST eastern devs feel alienated. I just wish sony would go back to how they was with ps1/ps2 days, focus on games than power. Espicially since asshole Jack Tretton has been the ceo of the playstation division, its been going downhill. for example, monster hunter has left sony because of poor treatment and now flocked to Nintendo who has open arms. Wouldnt surprise me if kingdom hearts 3 ends up a multiplat release for ps4 and wiiu. To those cocky sony fanboys who think ps4 is gonna be 10 times more powerful than wiiu and nextbox is in for a rude awakening. While the number are different, the architecture is also different and those who developed for wii u has said its easy to make and port games for it, meaning that all 3 are gonna be close in terms of graphical quality except it may be some extra squeeze in draw distance here and there. Its sad how gaming in the west, the developers and the media has gotten. Which is why i say its a joke compared to the east. Over here it has to be some lonely depressed emo dude with over the top muscles in a dark setting with oceans of blood to sell and claim “Hollywood status.” Hince why i predict that WiiU for the most part will be a console for 3rd party japanese games. And if the console gets some major west titles like gta5, the only west series i really care for,, it may as well be my only console this generation(8th).

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  103. I just got a e-mail that my long rant on the Forbes website was “called-out.” I wish I could go back and spell check it. :)

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  104. Why do people always want to point out Nintendo for bullshit like this? Nintendo aren’t the onlyl one who keeps releasing the same thing (which they are not due to them being innovative unlike the other competitors). We have a new Assassin’s Creed game coming RIGHT AFTER AC3 came out! I mean, really? There’s too many damned Call of Duty, Halo, God of War, Tom Clancy Ghost Recon, Street Fighter, etc. games being announced and released for the 360 and PS3. Do people talk about that? Noo… Sony’s in a hole right now. If the PS4 don’t sell like they want it to (because of Sony having repeated fail projects [A.K.A. Playstation Move & Playstation Vita], the economy being how it is and people not having the money for $300+ consoles, people still see value in their last gen consoles, and the PS4 price will literally be AT LEAST $400 [I predict $500 by the expenses and hardware put into it that was confirmed]) Sony WILL be the one to drop out of this console race. They NEVER, EVER talk about that. Fuck developers.

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    1. 1) Sony isn’t “in a hole”. Welcome to 2013, please join in.

      2) There have been only 3 Gears of War games in over 7 years. There have been only 6 Halo games in over 12 years. That’s one of each every 2 years. Now how many Mario games have there been in the last 12 years? How many Mario Party games alone? Thank you, sit down…

      3) Sony is actually giving developers what they all have asked for: x86 architecture for easier programming and porting of titles, more breathing room power-wise, more development tools and structure, etc. They’re also giving FANS what THEY asked for. So no, they’re not going to drop out. They did what Nintendo should have: listened.

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  105. I made this connection with the Dreamcast a while back. How the Dreamcast was a new system, with a screen on it’s controller, that was beaten out by it’s generation the next year onward. I honestly can’t say that I’m not worried about Nintendo because it’s creepily similar. Although Nintendo has more money than God and they have multiple different first party games that are holding them up as well. All Sega had was the Dreamcast, Sonic, Shining Force, and maybe 1 or 2 other first party games.

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  106. Nintendo is not going anywhere They have enough money to keep them going. Also sega had a lot going bad they had several consoles that did not sell well at all,and sank a lot of money in to the dream cast.

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