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Retro Says It Was Hard To Decide Between Metroid And Donkey Kong

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Michael Kelbaugh, the President & CEO at Retro Studios, has told the official Nintendo magazine via Twitter that it was difficult for them to decide whether to choose Metroid or Donkey Kong as their first Wii U game. Kelbaugh says that the team felt they had unfinished business with the Donkey Kong franchise so they began to pursue Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze.

“Michael Kelbaugh (Retro) says that it was hard to decide whether to go with Metroid or not but they felt they had unfinished business w/ dk”

Thanks, Mike S

160 comments

    1. :| THE FUCK??????????? It was hard between sidecroller or Metroid ? Go to your room Retro !!! go to your fucking room!!!! (Donkey kong country chewing gum flavour looks great though :P )

      1. To be honest, they already did 3 Metroid games.

        I think it’s more to do with the fact we want a Metroid game so badly, and Other M was garbage….

        1. Exactly. Nintendo really is pissing of their old school fans a bit atm , where the FUCK is Starfox and F-zero ? If your remaking Windwaker like that , why not F-Zero GX in 1080p with online!

          1. Why would they announce all franchises in 1 year?…

            That wouldn’t make any sense at all…

            Because then people would expect Nintendo to release a sequel every year and then our Empire would be nothing more than another boring Sonyan, Xbot company that milks their franchises instead of innovating them…

    2. Donkey Kong is way more of an iconic character than Samus/Metriod….think about it, your a dev and do you want your game played by the core or casual. DK is played by both, Metriod by the core

      1. Trust me…i want a new Metroid asap…handheld or console, Im going to say this, METROID PRIME 3d remake

        1. I’m curious why they don’t release M: Fusion, M2: Return of Samus, and M: Zero Mission as a bundle on eShop. Not a lot of people have played these games.

  1. And that official kills my interest in Retro Studios. They can go kick rocks because they have lost touch with reality.

    1. Dude they worked on 3 Metroid games in a row. It makes sense for them to do this. Plus we haven’t seen a good Donkey Kong game in awhile and we’ve seen a lot of Metroid games.

      1. DKCR returns released in 2010. DKCR3D is available now. I don’t know what your perception of “a while” is but there certainly has not been any drought of DK games or appearances in games (Mario Kart 7, Smash Bros, etc.)

    2. They had momentum going with DK and they have some new ideas. Momentum is fundamental in the arts; I’m sure you’re familiar with “Writers Block” or people saying they aren’t inspired.

      Momentum implied that the game would be released a lot sooner than if they were to rehash another franchise over some conference table, storyboard it, collect art resources, etc.

      Fans always want something else, or something RIGHT NOW!, but they apparantly don’t understand the creative process takes time.

  2. Like I said in the comment section on ONM: Side scrollers normally sells more, and DK is more known than Samus. If the game was going to sell some systems, it was an obvious choice ^^

    1. People here are so stupid that thinks this will be the only game that retro will make for wiiu ever.

      1. Yeah. I still have to play the Prime Trilogy, so they can take all the time they need! :P

        1. The MP Trilogy is amazing, if you can find the Trilogy disc get it, unless you have it already.

          1. I was going to borrow it from a friend, but it’s been over two years since he bought it, and he still hasn’t finished the game…

  3. I’m glad they feel this way! At least we now why! Now for some reason I’m a lot more excited for this game!

    1. Please. They needed to keep this a secret for 2 damn years? A freaking DK game? Gimme a break.

        1. And killed it just the same. Now no one except kids and fanboys care about what Retro is doing because seemingly that is all THEY care about.

          It’s not a big deal to me cause I don’t have to buy or play their games. PS4 is looking REAL nice right about now. REAL nice.

          1. Go buy and stop crying. I too was hoping for metroid but if not this year then theq next.

            1. Stop being immature and saying that people who,m don’t share your point of view are “crying.” You have teh right to your opinion and I have a right to mine. F DKC:TF. It’s stick with my 360 and pick up a PS4 this holiday season.

              If Nintendo can pull their head out of their arse by Spring 2014 maybe I’ll consider buying a Wii U again, but that console won’t be in my house anytime soon.

              1. I have the same opinion that you do about not being metroid but right now crying about about still a good looking game is a waste of energy wiiu dont you do like and use that anger to make stupid publisher release game that would actualy do good on a Nintendo platform?

                1. Stating facts and voicing opinions is not crying. You do NOT have the same opinion about it as I do because if you did you wouldn’t keep pounding me over the head with a immature statement of my opinion being ‘crying.’ If we have the same ‘opinion’ then that means you ALSO are crying.

                  Just knock it off. K? Let’s get back to adult discussion I know you are capable of.

                  Keeping it quiet is not going to help nary sale of a copy of DKC:TF. If the game is such is shoo-in best-seller, what was the point of the secrecy? Why do you need to build up hype for something YOU SAY will do good on a Nintendo platform anyway? Why pour water into a cup that already full?

                  If they announced at E3 2011 that Retro was working on a new DK title for the Wii U it would have gotten a HUGE round of applause from the crowd. People would have gotten use to that fact, and started looking forward to it.

                  Platinum Games showed how to PROPERLY build up hype. They told us Bayonetta was comingin September of 2012 and gave us just a little taste. Then a few month later in January a little more of a taste, and today they gave us a huge slice of the pie. Now people are more hyped than ever for it.

                  Retro on the other hand trolled everyone for 2 years into thinking it would be a StarFox game or a Metroid game knowing full well the decision had already been made to make DKC. Why? I can’t think of one logical, mature reason.

                  Granted, a lot of us got ourselves hyped up more than we should have and filled in the blanks where we wanted to. For a lot of people this IS the source of their anger. For me it is not because I wasn’t expecting a certain game from Retro necessarily. I really don’t have a problem with the choice being DK. However the actual game got was not worth the hype and not worth 3 years development time. That’s the amount of time that goes into a Zelda game. Not a 2D-side-scroller. Not by a long shot. Especially when it’s off of an engine from the last-gen. The engine is exactly the same as the Wii version with a HD coat of paint on it (same as Super Mario 3D World.) Not that it looks bad, but it doesn’t look any better than Sonic: Lost World which has a similar 2.5D mechanic built into the engine and the same art-style.

                  Some have said it was a waste of Retro talent. maybe not. Maybe this is all the current Retro Studios IS capable of. We’ve heard in the past week or so about people leaving Retro to go work for other studios. We all wrote it off as no big deal but maybe where there is smoke there is fire? Maybe Retro is slowly suffering the same fate as Rare.

                  Oh well. PS4 time.

                    1. Or maybe you don’t have anything intelligent to say so you result to ad-hominems. That is also a possibility.

                  1. Honestly, it sounds like you’re whining more than anyone.

                    So go wait for your stupid PS4 and leave everyone alone if all you’re going to do is complain.

                    1. I will if you stop complaining about my supposed complaining and stop damage controlling.

                    2. You sound like a dameg controlling fanboy. Have fun playing the most overhyped game of e3 2013!

                  2. you nailed it xpander2k, i am glad there are other Nintendo fans like me out there, i am tired of Nintendo an their lazy ass rehashed games,i wanted a proper 3d mario, and a proper hd metroid game, or something from retro showing all the doubters what the wii u could achieve, instead we get another asset recycled 2d game, shame on you Nintendo for taking the piss out of your old fans, am tired of defending them screw em, i will stick to my ps3 for now, and have already pre ordered my ps4, and my wii u will cary on gathering dust, there is no way i am paying full price for recycled crap, its one of the reasons why i dont buy cod every year, or fifa!

          2. hey when I heard it was DK and not Metroid I was disappointed, but then I started looking at the game instead of just righting it off and yeah it looks awesome my favorite wii game getting a kick ass sequel with Vikings and 4 playable characters! hells yeah!

            1. Like I said before, I didn’t see anything from the gameplay that looked any better than Sonic:Lost World and that game hasn’t been in development nearly as long. Nor did Sega troll everyone into thinking it could be one thing fully knowing it wasn’t. 3 years and all you have to show for it is a 2.5D side-scroller? Nope.

              1. retro could be working on two games, even though that’s unlikely, however it takes a long time to develop games for a new console so it makes sense why the development took so long, when dkr:r came out I don’t think the wii u was even a finished product so they had to decide what franchise they were doing, plan everything and make sure everything worked on a new console, makes sense as to why it took so long.

              2. You trolled yourself. I don’t recall Retro hyping up anything. Idiots like you with high expectations spreading rumors and speculation online did that. Buy PS4. Be happy and shut the fuck up. Geez! “It’s not the game I wanted!” Get over yourself. There are a lot more metroid games out than donkey kong over the past decade. Metroid’s year will come. Let DK shine.

    1. FF 15 and Kingdom Hearts 3 are not exclusive. So I think it was a tie. The reaction of the crowd for no DRM and the price points were the best things in the conference. Many of the games were multiplats or trailers with little to no gameplay.

      I think it was a tie.

    1. And a 2D side-scroller at that. If this was some lavish, high-rendered 3D Donkey Kong game then I would except that explanation. But now for what we got. No excuse.

      1. Yep I assumed it was a 3d DK game, but when I read that it was 2d sidescroller I was crushed.

  4. That’s too bad. Something completely original would have been better, but this will do.

  5. HARD??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

  6. Not my kid of game :/
    But I made a buy list, already got the money for it: SSB4, Pokemon Y, MK8, PIKMIN3, Zelda 2015 (the one that’s not confirmed yet)

  7. Retro’s talent and great production level are quite wasted on another stupid 2D game about an ape collecting bananas D:

  8. well the prime series is over and they should make something bigger like a zelda game or a new ip, seriously zelda hasnt been that good lately and retro probably could make it fresh and awesome.

  9. What? I see no difference between this and Country Returns. After the Prime series, Retro could have made one hell of a Metroid game for WiiU.

    1. well this game has Vikings in it and hd visuals plus Dixie kong, plus tons of stuff we haven’t been told yet

  10. That’s bullshit the reason they went with donkey kong is because it a cheap 2d platformer that doesn’t cost much to make instead of going with a metroid game

    1. well i dont think it is a question of being cheap..but namely a matter of how easily to make a return. DK is prob a safer bet to make cash than a metroid game

  11. LOOOL THIS IS RETROS BIG SECRET???? WHAT HAPPENED TO STARFOX? LOOL EPIC FAIL

    1. WHY ARE YOU YELLING!? the barrel rolling hint they posted was probably about the barrels rolling in donkey kong and it just sounded like starfox! it’s actually quite clever

  12. It really should have been metroid even tho DK looks good that should have been 2nd on the list they just remade the one on 3ds so we could have waited or wht not just both they could have managed if they wanted

  13. The preview looked like shit and this game looks like shit. Another FUCKING SIDESCROLLING PLATFORMER IS NOT NEEDED!

  14. LMBO at some people whom were saying not to panic earlier and how DK would not be Retro’s only game. Now Retro confirms that the passed up on the game everyone was ASKING for which was Metroid and those same people are making excuses.

  15. We built up hype
    We were sure that your game would make the Wii U a must own
    You kept it a secret for two years
    and what do we get? A fucking Sidescroller
    If this was full on 3D, I would have no problem.
    Retro….respect lost for you.

    1. That’s what I’m saying. What they showed doesn’t look any better that Sonic: Lost World and I GUARANTEE YOU it didn’t take 3 years to do that. Not saying it looks bad, but saying it make Retro Studios look bad.

      You had Rare come out with ‘Killer Instinct’ for the XBOX One and this is how you respond? C’mon. This game is going to sell. No question about it. It’s DK. It’s shoo-in for sales. That being said, what is the purpose for keeping it quiet for 2-3 years? Had they of announced at the beginning that they would be working on a DK game for the Wii U people would have been fine with that and actually looked forward to it.

      Now because Retro basically trolled everybody people are gonna be like, “You know what? $#@! DKC. I’ll spend my money elsewhere.” I know I will. I’m not buying this mess.

      1. Killer Instinct is going to be awful. You have to pay for each character beyond your first one.

        1. I know, but at least they are trying. And after teh way Sony clowned them I think a lot of Microsoft plans will go into the toilet.

            1. Yup. Your point? If Nintendo was doing thsi with Smash Bros. people would be singing songs about how great of a decision it is. So what you have to pay for the characters on a ***FREE TO PLAY*** game. I mean damn, you that cheap?

              We don’t even know how many characters are in the game or how much they will cost. For all you know there could only be 13 characters. That’s everyone from KI 1 and 2 not counting bosses. Each character could cost $2.99 a piece. That like $40 bucks. What’s wrong with that on again a ***FREE TO PLAY*** digital-download game. It’s not like you have to pay $60-70 bucks for a disc and pay to unlock characters already on the damn disc like with Street Fighter X Tekken.

      2. Rare isn’t make Killer Instinct you know. And besides, it looked like shit. MK9 looked better than KI.

        1. The damage control in epic in here this evening. Sheesh.

          KI basically is MK9 mixed with SFIV. But what’s your point? Some people think DK looks like shit. That doesn’t mean IT does anymore than it means KI does. It’s opinion, not fact.

          I don’t care if the gang from Sesame Street developed it, at least Microsoft gave the fans what they wanted FINALLY. I guess that is too much to ask for from Retro in 3 years huh?

          Even if it turns out to be a disaster, no one can fault Microsoft for trying. Even if they didn’t give fans everything that wanted, they gave the ‘something.’

          Fans wanted KI3 and Halo 5 from Microsoft, they got it.

          Fans wanted Battlefront 3 and Mirror’s Edge 2 from EA, they got it.

          Fans wanted Final Fantasy XV and Kingdom Hearts 3 from Square-Enix, they got it.

          Fans wanted no DRM BS from Sony and an affordable price, they got it.

          Fans wanted a Metroid or Starfox and new IP from Retro………….

          *crickets*

          I rest my case.

          1. fans want good metal of honor games from ea…… crickets
            fans what a final fantasy 7 remake…….crickets
            fans want jak 4 from naughty dog….. crickets
            people want a concker sequeal from Microsoft….crickets
            yeah no ones perfect

                1. Yeah. They hid something for 3 years. It’s called Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze. Didn’t someone tell you?

                  1. I wouldn’t be so sure e3 isn’t quite over there’s just enough time to drop one last surprise

        1. When you console sales are in eh toilet it’s usually a good idea to let the gaming public, retailers, investors, and the press know if a game you know EVERYONE what is in development.

          I serious doubt Metroid is being made at ALL, let alone another studio.

  16. Metroid Prime 3 ended on a cliffhanger and Donkey Kong is where they felt they had unfinished business? smh.

    1. I think you’re on to something. This should pretty much confirm their next game will be Metroid.

      1. Exactly. People are freaking out, and I agree to a certain extent. I wanted Metroid, and felt WIIU needed that more to compete with the other 2. That being said, they friggin confirmed Metroid is next on their list to release! They undoubtedly already have Metroid almost ready to go to be hinting this… DKC looks awesome! Regardless this Direct was AMAZING! Im happy great Job Nintendo!

  17. I don’t see a lot of the sidescrolling platformer everyone’s talking about besides NSMBU
    And guys, wii u just started, do you think they would come with ALL the great titles at once? That would be really stupid.
    I’m fine with Smash Bros, Mario Kart, Donkey Kong (seriously, it’s freakin awesome) and Pikmin 3, all those will be great titles.
    Sure I like Metroid and Zelda, but i repeat: It would be really stupid to release all the bombs at a time, Wii U got a long career ahead

    1. They are up against new consoles with more 3rd party support. This E3 should be about bringing out the big guns. Besides, most of the games are coming on 2014. So should we wait ’til 2015 since this E3 was a disappointment?

    2. The new Yoshi game which was actually absent from the Nintendo E3 Direct, &
      Rayman Legends. That’s 2 more 2D sidescrollers.

      1. Yoshi Yarn doesn’t even have a launch date, not even details of the game was revelead.
        Rayman Origins? That’s 3rd party, and is coming to the other platforms as well.

    1. Lets see. They keep a game secret for 2 years anyone with half a brain would conclude that it’s gonna be interesting. Cause if it was just any game (side scroller DK) they wouldn’t be quiet about it. So I’m expecting something big weather I am consciously (which I was) or just subconsciously which is phycology at work. So excuse is for being a bit irritated that they knowingly/unknowingly gave us big expectations then crushed it like a sadistic asshole by giving us side scrolling donkey kong. Something like donkey long would’ve Suficed. That’s something to get excited for. This is something that it wouldn’t matter if you got or not.

  18. Is not like if they have show us a clif hanger ending in Metroid Prime Trilogy or something like that, do they? Oh…wait, they did.

    But you know what? I can not be mad at them, after all, they bring back my favorite Kong of all Dixie Kong.

  19. So many people salty that a developer liked making a game some fanboys didn’t want them to make. It’s alright to be disappointed, but maybe show some maturity.

  20. Really?? Apparently, they haven’t been paying attention to Miiverse or the Internet. Donkey Kong Country is cool but Metroid should’ve been their 1st Wii U title.

    1. I agree but something’s fishy here I love dkc and would rather have it than Metroid but it seems odd to just leave Metroid alone like this… maybe if retro isn’t making 2 games, maybe someone else is making Metroid?

  21. The Game looks great for 2D. Howerver, I am hoping Retro works on a platformer game other than Mario though. I want more 3D platformer games.!!!

  22. Are you fucking kidding me? It was THAT hard to decide? Do…do you not see the climate that Nintendo’s in right now? Were you seriously living in a hole for the past three years convinced that Nintendo was doing everything right? I’m tired of this self-deprecating, think-you’re-worthless, apologetic bullshit Nintendo and their cohorts keep throwing out at us! It’s like, damn, they don’t go the full mile anymore! It’s all just fucking half-assing nonsense! You can really only go so far with anti-climactic monotony year after year after year! In spite of my rage, I am certainly very interested in Tropical Freeze, more so than the first game, but I mean, dude, you cannot afford to wait ANOTHER EFFIN YEAR to bring out what you SHOULD HAVE brought out THIS YEAR! Especially with Sony obliterating the scene like that!

    Man alive…I didn’t want to hear that kind of nonsense from Retro of all companies, but, you know, it’s not like they’re prevented from doing so.

  23. Metroid will come guys, calm down. Obviously you guys were hyping up way too much. Metroid and other games will be available for Wii U, but right now, I’m perfectly find with the games they announced. I felt disappointed too and I wished they revealed something like Star Fox or F Zero.

    It should be obvious that Nintendo only wants to get the Wii U up in sales and get as many of their console in people’s houses. All the care right now is for the system to sell and with Donkey Kong and Mario, alongside The Wonderful 101 and Pikmin, we could see Wii U numbers growing. Once that is established, the will probably experiment with other franchises; but we will get a Metroid game on Wii U.

  24. well now that they settled their unfinished businesses with donkey country they can make a Metriod or a star fox

  25. Awwwwwww man I was really hoping for a metroid or starfox title. Perhaps they’ll develop one after this game. Unfortunately I’m at work so I haven’t gotten to see the videos yet.

  26. Wasn’t there supposed to be a futuristic shooter from Retro?

    Super metroid got me hoping for a new Netflix game

  27. IDK about the rest but the game looks fun to me, and who’s to say that Retro doesn’t have another game in development? They never said this was going to be their only project, they clearly said first Wii U game, not only Wii U game. Plus, it’s a platformer, I just love platformers. And while it would be cool that it was another game, this is good enough for now. Retro has yet to fail me.

  28. I like the game. I did want to see Metroid. Not because I am a fan, but I wanted to see what else these 3 cores can do graphically. I don’t give a rats ass about Samus. I’m just impressed how closely these graphics are to Xbone One and PS4.

  29. I been waiting months to see Wii U graphics against Xbone and PS4. Somehow comparing these systems specs somehow was not satisfing. 30% of the Wii U’s gpu was unknown. The bottom line is graphically, PS4 nor Xbone blow Wii’u graphically. Now that we see that, I don’t give a rats ass if Mario 3D World is not groundbreaking graphically.

  30. Now to compare Watch Dogs on all consoles when it arrives. The Nuetron, said Wii U was weak. But what if it’s the other way around and PS4 or Xbone are weak? Because Nuetron, kept braging on how PS4 and One was going to blow Wii U because they were more powerful and shit. Now when I finally see all three consoles perform, I’m very disappointed because those two console did not hold up to what Nuetron, make it seem like!!!

  31. How the hell can only 3 cores perform graphics as good as PS4? Enough that no one can say, “PS4 ‘s graphics blows Wii U’s out the park!” While you guys are bitching about some Metroid that is probably going to be talked at next Nintendo direct this week.

  32. Why Did They Do That!!!! Theres Enough Donkey kong Games!!!! And They Arent Even Good!!!!!

  33. And another thing, the 3 cores ain’t even stressed!!! Yet they can perform something as graphically good as an 8 core console. So how powerful is this unknown Box in my living room? And there is another upgrade this coming summer!!! And the 3 cores ain’t stressed.

  34. Also, how can, according to Nuetron, Wiik U handle two Gampads with 3 cores and display 1080P. 3 cores can do that!!! Three cores has the share button to allow friends to see you play and shit. 3 cores are able to be overclocked or were underclocked and now they are fast as hell. 3 cores are able to perform perforamce like that!!

  35. Oh well, I wasn’t that high on Retro Studios to begin with. I didn’t really enjoy the Prime games or DKCR.

    So far. every Wii U platformer has looked terrible, except for Sonic Lost World ironically.

    1. So these games: Monolith Studio “X”, Bayonetta 2, Mario Kart 8, Super Smash Bros Wii U, Wonderful 101, Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze, and Pikmin 3 look terrible? How? Explain.

    2. I don’t think any of the platformers look bad at all! They all look fantastic actually! I think ur just mad Retro chose DK over Metroid… 💋

      1. Actually, I’m more mad DK got chosen over Star Fox.

        Unlike most others, I don’t want another FPS Metroid.

  36. I’m glad they chose Donkey Kong, because I’ve never cared for the Metroid series (especially when they made it even worse and turned it into first-person). However, I really with they’d make a full 3D Donkey Kong Country game like Donkey Kong 64 was.

  37. Well… wrong choice. I feel like Donkey Kong has been getting WAYYY too much love. 💋

  38. I love Donkey Kong Country and all, but I’m underwhelmed, it would have been better if it was 3D game or go with Metroid. DKC seems underwhelming because we just had DKC Returns.

  39. It’s as simple as this: (whining and complaining aside), from our perspective, and from the state the Wii U is in, Nintendo is releasing, announcing, and showcasing the wrong games at the wrong time. And Retro wasn’t doing a lot of the hyping, it was all the interviews with Reggie who totally hyped it beyond what it needed to be.

  40. Most of you so called “Nintendo fans” are starting to sound like Xbots…

    “We wanted an excellent graphically, FPS Metroid that is the only game worthy getting a Wii U for…”

    Don’t you see how stupid that sounds?…

    First of all it’s called RETRO studios, not Metroid Studios…

    Second, this DK game is only their second game in the series but you naive children make it sound as if they made 11 sequels already…

    Third, I love Metroid the most of all Nintendo franchises but it does notmean Retro Studios is the only company in the entire pathetic universe that can give it justice…
    Metroid Other M was excellent in many ways, it’s just the character development on Samus and the mediocre story that made it look somewhat bland, plus a few places in the game…

    And last, because of their name RETRO, I wouldn’t mind watching them tackle the Ice Climbers as it really needs a big Rebirth…

    1. Best post of the day. Well said.

      Glad I’m not the only person who actually likes the idea of them bringing back Ice Climbers. That would be awesome.

      Nintendo should find someone else to make Metroid. Either that or make it themselves.

    2. I agree. I have nothing against anyone here but stop like a bunch of babies just because you didn’t get what you want. I wanted a Starfox but you don’t see me crying just because it didn’t happen. Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze looks very awesome and promising and that’s something I’ll definitely get if I had a Wii U. Plus there has always been a Metroid game on a Nintendo console except the N64 so stop acting like it’s never gonna happen.

  41. We just got another DK Country returns on 3DS, Retro. You should’ve chose Metroid. Or another 3D DK adventure game.

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