One hot topic at the moment is the handling of localising games that come from Japan. The latest game that appears to have suffered as a result of localisation is Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE. A video shot at PAX East of the game in action shows that there have been a number of small, but obvious changes. Clearly some people won’t be happy with this.
Thanks, Takamaru64 and HollowGrape MarshmallowCake
Atlus is a hot topic right now. From what I remember, they were handling localization on this one?
Also fuck censorship.
On of the Atlus PR’s admit it was Nintendo who directed them on any localization change. But they quickly deleted the tweet to avoid any negative attention.
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Damn phone
Not suprised really, but at least it’s confirmed that it was Nintendo’s fault.
Damn nintendo takes another L and eat dog shit with that loss
Atlus blames nintendo someone save a tweet of atlus USA saying Nintendo is to blame
That was a lie made up by Nintendo of America in the wake of Rapp’s controversy for the purpose of hiding Treehouse’s involvement and prevent another Torrential Downpour.
Treehouse was announced as overseers of the project in the last Direct, now suddenly the censorship is ATLUS’ fault? Sounds more than a little convenient.
Everything in the previous statement is a lie, there’s no regulations that make it so T-rated games require to hide cleavage, not even Fire Emblem Fates did.
Not to mention a T rated game can get away with a little bit of nudity if it’s done in a non sexual context. I mean, T for Teen rated games are pretty much the PG-13 rating in movies of video games. Or am I supposed to pretend Titanic, a PG-13 movie, didn’t have a shot of Kate Winslet’s boobs? lol
Exactly; in fact, according to ESRB’s own website, “Partial Nudity” advisory is highly common in T-rated games.
Senran Kagura Burst itself is rated T.
Can’t say I care anymore, especially when it concerns weeaboo pandering. Might make the game more stomachable, even.
The people buying this like that stuff….
I don’t see why I should care about ‘the people who buy this’. I’m speaking for myself.
It’s just kind of fucked up to support censorship, even if it isn’t something you were going to buy. It’s getting to the point where if it isn’t mario or something really, really friendly it starts getting hacked away at.
I get what you mean, really, but I think this has reached a point where it has to be seen on a case-by-case basis. And in this particular case, I couldn’t care less about the changes. There is nothing in the game that demands this kind of content to be adopted in the first place, so I’m sure there won’t be much of a loss if it’s gone. The localization team is only hurting the sales of the game, probably, but again, from a personal perspective, this might make the game more stomachable for me. I don’t call the shots, so I just can decide if I’m fine with the changes or not. In this case, I am. If someone is not ok, well, let them vote with their wallet.
I know you don’t care about the changes, but for who this appeals to, which is anyone that likes jap idol shit/anime/whatever these changes matter a lot. DLC more than likely is going to be left out entirely. These kind of outfits absolutely belong in this game it is about idols, they wear bikinis and other revealing clothing (though the game doesn’t even go that skimpy it’s T rated). I don’t really get what you mean by case by case basis either, anything that looks remotely adult at all you have to go “Wow that looks cool….. oh yeah that has women in it, it’s not rated E, well that’s censored, can’t really look forward to that too much…”. Not every game is meant for everyone.
Again you don’t have to like the content being removed but it’s an issue that it is being cut, I don’t think anyone can deny that things are bad when they are censoring niche games where they already bump the ages up to 18 and then cut content still, and this wasn’t even nintendo directly it was them controlling atlus to do this bullshit. I still can’t get over the fact they censored a digital only M rated horror game. I don’t know what can be done but even voting with your wallet thing doesn’t seem to work, they will chop off limbs no matter what. I always hope they will do a port of thousand year old door but now I think they would censor rougeport so fuck it.
Only hope I see is the NX being region free, and maybe some developers will add in english options (but even if they don’t a lot of people would still opt for the game in jap only). Or the other possibility is that nintendo, realizing they can’t only market to 5 year olds that don’t exist, either unshackle themselves from censoring anything adult for the sake of making something that appeals to older audiences more. Or they open the floodgates to third party that they desperately need, and as their system appeals to older audiences they stop cutting the legs off their T+ games since they are side by side with GTA/MKX/whatever NX.
Ok, for the record, I don’t disagree with anything you say. Like, at all. I’m not even arguing if this is good or bad, I actually think it’s bad and, as I said, it’s only going to be detrimental to the sales of the game.
However, that doesn’t mean I can’t have a pragmatic mindset about it. I’m not going to pay full price for this game anyway, so to me, this boils down to “how much are you willing to pay for what they have to offer?”. I wouldn’t buy the DLC anyway, so that point, to me, is moot.
In other words, just because it’s bad doesn’t mean I have to care.
Yeah i cant understand how nintendo is so shit
Those people are the target audience for the game… You’re not going to hear Mrs Goody but Little Timmy this game.
Again, I still don’t see how that has anything to do with my personal stance on the matter.
I dont care because i was getting the game because it is a rpg which is rare on nintendo home consoles and it is made by atlus and i like both series the game takes elements from and now i dont really care for all of the singing and shit but it will be different and interesting how it is done
You dont care because you are a drone if anything censorship like this makes devs dont want to put their games on nintendo
I want to play games and if that game is censored then o well and i will most likely like the game before it is censored since we usually see japanese trailers of the game first you dumb shit you are a drone
Did, did you just say that a Nintendo RPG is rare?
I… What?
How long have you been around?
Clearly not long if you think that.
Clearly he has played games like Paper Mario: Sticker Star since shit like this is the reason why Isis is winning the war in Weeaboo land? lol
Do you speak any language other than Ad hominems?
Gotta love it when people misuse Latin locutions, especially those related to logical fallacies. Not to mention, the complete butchering of the plural. Poetic justice at its finest.
Gotta love it when people jump the gun to call out others without considering that perhaps they mistakenly replied to the wrong person.
Hey, don’t blame me for your mistakes. And it doesn’t change the fact that “hominems” isn’t an actual word.
Well, then I’d like to take a second to apologize to the Grammar Schutzstaffel for my grave transgression and instead explain why I said what I did: Because half of the people here defending censorship are doing so from a position that relies in demonizing their opposition through unflattering implications about their character rather than debating their arguments (Which is what ad hominem is regularly defined as by several on-line and off-line dictionaries).
Was my point explained to your majesty’s satisfaction or will you keep trying to pick apart my grammar in lieu of addressing the actual substance in the anti-censorship discourse?
The reason why you thought I care enough about your post or the point you’re trying to make to require an explanation is beyond me.
this whole exchange was cute. You guys are cuties. ^^
“Assuming I speak Japanese based on my Avatar?” lol
I’m not God. I just speak the truth and that’s my fellow gamers had never played a true Nintendo RPG game when they said that Nintendo never makes an RPG in their lives? :/
Tell me again why my ancestor became famous in my family bloodline?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Belle_Otero
I’m not joking you since I am related to her and plus my family is always crazy!
XD Guess my last name and I’ll tell you if it’s true or not? ;)
Di di did you read my post i said rpgs on nintendo home consoles are rare where are the majority of rpgs this gen and most likely any other gen on handhelds pay attention retard damn these drones these days
Yea now lets remove the contend of the game like a happy drone i will love it
They aren’t bringing to the West DLC I wasn’t going to buy anyway and they are going to make changes I don’t care about.
Complaining about removing sidequests in Bravely Second I totally get and support. Same with Fates’ localization. This, however, I couldn’t give less of a damn.
Well, Chapters 2 and 4’s plots are heavily reliant on sexy imagery, so enjoy your butchered narrative.
Joke’s on you, I can import the Japanese version if I want to.
Only problem is, I don’t.
Then why are you even here?
Because I like to see weeaboos (especially those suffering from persecution complex) complaint about the most mundane shit while defending Atlus’ narratives as if they were anything but bottom of the barrel, trope-infested clichés.
Other than that, I don’t have to justify myself to you. If my post bothers you, feel free to ignore it.
Haha, “persecution complex”, love it. Very appropriate usage here.
I’m sick of people acting like the whole world owes them something just because they are under the delusion that they’re the only victims in the world. After all, have we not all been affected by different things in one way or another? Yet not all of us decides we’re justified in getting stuff.
It’s fucking astonishing, that much is for sure. From feminist conspiracies to bullshit rhetorics about Nintendo pushing Atlus’ hand to the whole Alison Rapp thing to caring about the narrative of a Persona-esque game like it’s high literature or something. It never ceases to amaze what people will come up with to justify their outrage and demonize what ultimately comes down to business decisions. I mean, people have a right to be mad if this bothers them so much, don’t get me wrong, but having a constructive conversation about this topic is impossible with the people displaying such complex.
Exactly! I wish people got this passionate about voting for who they want to run their country..
Well if you love the game without its content then thats on you when the first gameplay video was shown i wanted the game and tgat was before the content was gone but i will still get it because i will put hundreds of hours into the game and i dont think missing content will make me miss out on much
meh, this game was never going to sale well in the US there is hardly a market for it.
Yup exactly because everyone knows that nintendo is shit and will barely advertise this game
Personally i love censorship, because im not a pervert who likes almost naked girls in my games, or in anything else for that matter. Its evil and perverted.
Sounds like the Dark Knight to me. I guess things didn’t go well with you and Catwoman.
I don’t remember cat woman being that bad, but if she was then yes. I have a problem with that in anything. Unless its my wife (im single though) i aint trying to see anything.
You being a pervert or not has nothing or very little to do with shitendo censoring so much shit in their games but just like x i still bought the game and am still enjoying the game and fuck shitendo
Hmm…
“Oh shit, I said something good about Nintendo in my sentence, better end it with ‘Fuck Shitendo’, just so I don’t seem like a person who can have positive opinions about things”
You do know that he is that bruce lee person, right? He likes to write stupid irrelevant things with the word shit.
I hope he gets banned again soon.
I hope you shut the fuck up everyone has an opinion on this website and if you dont like mine then skip past my comment or comments on the articles ya dumb shit
I said a positive ooinion i am enjoying x but while i am enjoying the game nintebdo is still shit because they censored the game and are censoring other games etc etc ya stupid shit
then you should no be playing this game big baby
Get over yourself, just because i have a different view then you doesn’t make me a “big baby.” I can’t control what you watch/play, but im free to control myself.
There’s a difference between just having a different opinion on this matter and preaching from a holier-than-thou position, which is what you did in your original post. You have your opinion on the matter, and that’s a respectable thing, but trying to demonize the opposite side of the argument accusing it of being “evil” is pants on head retarded, especially when taking into account that, historically, repressing people’s sexuality has always ended up badly.
In other words: you’re welcome to do your own thing, but let people do theirs.
I didn’t say anyone else should stop, i simply said what i thought. If i had said that censorship was evil and games should be exactly the same, nobody would have cared. But since i pointed out something some people do, they get all upset and say i shouldn’t say what i think. I never said that i was better than anyone, nor was it in anyway implied. I never said that you guys were even doing anything wrong at all. I just said that doing it was wront. If i had said rape was evil, people wouldn’t have cared. If i had said cheating on your wife was evil, no one would have mined. But when i say having girls so skimply dressed it might as well be porn, is evil, everyone tells me i shouldn’t state my opinion. You guys care so much about letting people do their own thing, then get upset when i want to do mine. People voice their opinions constantly on this site, thats what the comments are for. But when i post mine, everyone goes bananas because they don’t agree.
Come on now. Your post was the definition of a judgement value, don’t try to hide from your own words.
You’re throwing false equivalencies left and right, too. Cheating on you wife is evil. Cheating on your virtual wife is not. And we both know you were condoning the sexual attraction itself, not the representation of said sexual attraction. I wouldn’t have replied to your post if I hadn’t read your previous posts in similar articles.
Also, you are trying to compare two situatioms that are nowhere near close to being equally controversial. I’d expand upon that point, but it’s been done to death and frankly, I’m too tired for this.
If you find people attacking your opinion often, maybe you should try to examine how you voice it. As I said, I have a problem with your tone (which, believe it or not, is both insulting and patronizing, and not even from the other side of the fence), not with your opinion.
Dude. Im not doing any of the things you are saying. I’ve been nice to everyone on here, and ive gotten nothing but hate, and people trying to twist my words against me (minus king Kalas X3 which is being reasonably nice to me) and ive tried to say thats not how i meant it, but you just won’t accept it. For the millionth time im not condemning anyone, i simply don’t believe its right, thats my opinion, and im not forcing it on anyone.
Since you’re either trying to save face or in denial, I’ll point it out for you:
“i love censorship, because im not a pervert who likes almost naked girls in my games, or in anything else for that matter”
See this shit? This boils down to “the only reason you would be against censorship in the first place is if you’re a pedophile”. That’s what you’re expressing with that post. I won’t saying that’s what you intended to say (although I do remember previous posts of yours in that vein), but that’s what you actually said. If you can’t see how that’s offensive or patronizing, then I don’t know what to tell you other than try to use a little empathy and understand the points on the other side of the argument.
This is one of those instances in which both sides of the argument have valid points, and the “side” you take depends on little more than on what you care more about. There is a conversation to be had about this, and a constructive one, and by painting the “opposing side” with such a fucking disgusting broad brush you’re doing nothing but perpetuating pointless argument and trying to gain the upper ground on a conversation nobody brought to the table. Again, it’s fucking disgusting, and it needs to stop.
Again, that’s not what im trying to say, yet you keep making it seem that way, which is really jerkish of you. If someone clarifies what they mean, stop trying to tell them theyre lying and then keep bringing up what they already stated was a misunderstanding. Its useless, childish, and rude.
Now you’re trying to spin my post as if to make it seem I’m the one being argumentative for the sake of nothing and you’re the victim. It’s useless, childish and rude.
If you think I’m ranting at you for nothing, at least do us both a favor and try to see the ambiguity in your post before you hit the button. You can’t claim you aren’t condemning anyone while posting that it’s evil and perverted, because that’s far from an factual claim. I mean, let gets real for a second.
If your not gonna believe what im saying then there’s no use for me to keep talking to you. The conversation is over, im not here to argue i simply wished to state my opinion, but apparently its too much for someone to think differently than you. Good day sir.
Yeah, let’s leave it at that, since this conversation feels like a bad trip to crazy land. If anyone cares about what has or hasn’t been said, they only have to read the string of comments.
Ok. The last thing i will say is that i only meant well. And im sorry if i sounded rude or condemning, i wasn’t trying to. I’ll try to word things better in the future.
That’s the thing – I know that. I wouldn’t have replied to you if I thought you were just trying to stir up controversy or anything like that.
Ok, but it sounded like thats what you were saying. Im sorry i got confused. I do think my original comment was worded a bit wrongly, that’s why i was trying to clarify that i wasn’t hating on anyone, i would never do that.
So are we good bro? We understand eac hother now? Cause i don’t want any hard feelings.
Come on, mate. It takes a lot more than a misunderstanding to put you on my bad side. As I said, we all make mistakes, and even if I don’t always agree with what you say, I hardly ever have any problem with how you say it. This is the exception, not the rule. There’s no beef to be had.
Thanks bro:)
No problem <3
Except you’re not “clarifying” what you said, you’re defending it.
I think batman is a retarded nintendo drone
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Lol, sure…
i think the biggest problem here is that you think any kind of naked body is “evil”. That just sounds like you’ve been brainwashed by something and that is really not good for your mental health…
Not that its naked bodies are evil (adam and eve were created naked) but that you shouldn’t just be showing it off to everyone. Not condemning anyone, just stating my belief.
No offense, but if you have this belief, don’t say so online. You won’t get happy results.
You can like censorship, that’s fine, just don’t insult people who don’t. Be reasonable.
I didn’t insult anyone. I just stated my reasonings, and even stated that it was my personal thinking. I didn’t tell anyone else that they should stop, or call them a baby like that other guy called me. I simply said i thought it was perverted and wrong. There’s nothing wrong with that. I didn’t “preach”to anyone, no Bible verses were broken out, i don’t go there because i know this site isn’t the place for that. I simply stated how i felt about the topic and that was it.
Calling people perverted and evil for having a different outlook on censorship is not an insult?
Sorry, but you’re a gigantic hypocrite.
Up there you have misconstrued every bit bit of criticism you’ve received from Sylux as “Useless, childish and rude”, but god forbid someone else points out that you’re being openly antagonistic to others.
Exactly what a child
“It’s evil…” Wow. Talk about overreacting. It’s not like the characters are little kids under 10. They are teenagers 16 & up. It’s perfectly okay to be attracted to that age range.
Why does age matter?
So you think any kind of partial nudity or too much skin is evil regardless of the age?
Yes. Well what do you mean by any type of partial nudity? Legs arms, stomachs, necks, shoulders, are fine but they are technically partial nudity. I mean real partial nudity, like a small bikini, or a really low hanging shirt. And yes its evil because it causes people to lust, and it objectifies people’s bodies. Its not right. People should see people for who they are, not just some object for their enjoyment.
You are missing one big fact here. It’s a video game! V-i-d-e-o G-a-m-e! They don’t have feelings outside of the video game so they aren’t going to care if someone ogles their half naked body or not. As for real life people doing it, so? It’s their body & they can objectify themselves all they want if that is their intention for dressing so.
Im not telling you what to do. Im just stating what i think. If you don’t agree, then fine, im not in charge of you. But let me post what i think, and then if you want to post what you think back that’s fine, just don’t be rude about it. If you thought i was being rude, or high and mighty, i was not trying to be, and i’ll do my best not to look that way in the future. (Im not just talking specifically to you here, this is just in general, for everyone.)
Sorry if I’m coming off as rude. I honestly don’t try to be. But we are using text to talk so it’s hard for me, at times, to not come off as such.
Its fine, i can understand that. I probably come off as high-and-mighty sometimes, and im totally not trying to. I care about everyone one on this earth, and i try to lift people up, instead of looking down upon them. But im not perfect of course, i just try my best. I want to lovingly help people, but sometimes my wording is interpreted wrong and i seem prideful, and im really not trying to be.
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My mindset has always been similar to yours, as I don’t like sex in my video games. But at the same time why censor it for people that do? Sex, or half naked women is not a bad thing. It’s a very good thing, and I wouldn’t be so quick to call someone a pervert because they like looking at attractive females. You know, genetics made us attracted to the opposite sex. It’s nature at work, let them have their sex. Who the hell are we to say otherwise?
The problem is i don’t believe in evolution, i think its a very wrong theory with no evidence, and its glorified for wrong reasons. (Not saying your wrong, or stupid, or anything bad about you, i just don’t like evolution.) I believe we were all created by a loving God, who cares about us, and gives us rules to keep us safe, the same as a parent would tell a young child not to run in the street. My belief, im not forcing it on anyone.
Well, evolution is really a sincere, but still immature, attempt at understanding how the world was formed when God or whoever’s in charge made it. I don’t recall God ever saying to NOT know how He does His work, nor do I recall Him saying ANYTHING about how He created the world, and no, simply accepting that humans were made from the ground is too vague, and we owe it to ourselves as true believers to pursue that truth, for truth in general has too fine details to be that deceptively simple. Furthermore, if you really do believe in God, then you would know that God cares about us loving Him just as much as Him loving us; it would therefore be a good idea to really get to know Him and His ways, even if one of those ways happens to be the process of “evolution”.
*happens to be the process of what we call “evolution”.
Except evolution is a baseless theory with no evidence (not trying to be rude, its just fact) thats sole purpose is to find a way for all things to exist without God. So why would we try to compromise what we believe to fit with something with no evidence, that was created to destroy what we believe? Also the Bible does cleary say how God created the universe, it says he spoke it into existence. Just read Genesis 1:1 its very clear. No evolution needed with a God as powerful as him.
Just a quick point: even disregarding the whole homo line of antecesors, there IS proof of evolution on a micro level, namely the passing down of genetic traits through selected breeding. Keep adding up changes through large periods of time and, just like with hybrid animals, a given generation would lose its ability to reproduce with the members of the original species (which is the criterion we use to classify a given animal as a part of a different species or not).
Micro evolution isn’t the same as Macro evolution. With Micro for example, a dog becomes a different type of dog, but it doesn’t become, say, a bird like Macro evolution says. Im not gonna go into the scientific details too much and make some huge comment stream about this because this isn’t the site for that (and frankly im not a scientist and so i don’t remember the proofs) but if you guys want to look it up there is substantial proof for the Bible, scientifically and Historically. There’s also a trillion reasons why evolution can’t be true, but again im not gonna go into all that. At the end of the day we all have to choose what we believe, and im not here to force anyone into anything, that’s not how God wants things done. Its all about lovingly sharing your beliefs, sharing the facts, but in the appropriate times and places, which is not this site, not this time.
Obviously, dogs don’t become birds just like that. Those are two different (if generic) evolutionary branched that haven’t had a common ancestor since forever. There’s no way that would happen, that does not fit with any evolutionary study I know.
I’m assuming you are referring to the evolution of fishes into reptiles, then reptiles into birds and mammals. Physiologically, it fits with the complexity of each animal realm, and it would explain some “transitional” species, like archaeopteryx. It’s not like the fish turns into a lizard overnight, there is a very slow adaptation process involving thousands of individuals inheriting the genetic characteristics of the most adaptable progenitors on a micro level before we put the barrier on one and consider it a whole new species.
But yeah, not the time nor the place. I just wanted to clarify that, since that comparison you made can be interpreted wrongly.
I was just throwing an example out there, i know thats not how evolution works exactly, im just saying in Macro evolution one type of animal (lets just say dogs for the heck of it) slowly over millions of years turns into a different type of animal (lets say bird because we can) but in Micro evolution that can never happen. Also just some food for thought. If there were millions of years of half reptile mammal thingies, (hybrid species as some call them) why can’t we find a single fossil of them? Why can’t we find a single man ape fossil that doesn’t later turn out to be a pigs tooth from a pig thats not actually even extinct. And why are there tons of fossils of creatures supposedly millions of years appart fossilized in the same layer, side by side, all over the earth? That’s as far as im gonna go for now, just some food for thought.
But that’s my point, the example of dogs and birds is faulty. These are both separate evolutionary branches, one cannot interfere with the other. Something like warg wolfs (I know it’s a fantasy creature, but bear with me for a second) as a species turning into dogs (let’s say, a German shepard) over time would be possible. Something like an eagle turning into a vulture could happen with time, maybe even turning into a mammal if for some weird reason eagles needed to adapt to ground-based life, but not the other way around. A bird turning into a mammal is not evolution, is devolution, a thing that while not impossible, it’s certainly very very improbable.
Also, there are fossils of transitional reptiles into mammals, I don’t know where you got that from. Thrinaxodon, biarmosuchus or morganucodon are a couple of examples.
About the man-ape, could be a myriad of reasons. Two off the top of my head: the actual, more primitive apes might have socially excluded those that began to display common evolutionary traits, such as losing hair. This would cause the second reason: a dissemination of the fossil record to remote areas. It’s not an unheard of behavior in primates.
Other than that, we have been finding “man-ape” fossils all over South Africa for years now: https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20883-south-african-fossils-halfway-between-ape-and-human/
The thing is, this concept of “the missing link” is never going to be found for one simple reason: evolution is a gradated process, so it’s hard to pinpoint the exact place in which a creature stops being an ape and starts being a man. Scientist consider they can be more precise, so they generally avoid the concept (or at least the more serious ones do). Besides that, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. We can still theorize what creature B was basing our claim on how creature A became creature C.
Finally, I’m not too sure about what you’re talking about here, but I bet that happens more often than not in the ocean and in the poles, so I’m going to suggest tectonic plaques.
I would tell you that you totally misunderstood what I was saying, but something tells me you’re going to keep misunderstanding for as long as you keep holding onto your extremely naive views on God. God expects us to not swallow bullshit after bullshit, but to actually take the time to work and pursue what He means. Just simply saying the Bible is the all-purpose guide to everything without ever bothering to fully understand why, is laziness on your part, and as long as you’re that lazy, then no matter what you claim about believing in God or whatever, you’re full of crap.
Now your just being rude so im gonna ignore you, good day.
He’s got a point, though. If God wanted brainless servants, he never would have created us to have the ability of free will in the first place. In fact, we’d still be a bunch of dumb cavemen bowing at anything we can’t understand or comprehend as if it was some kind of god. For all their great accomplishments, Egyptians, Greeks, Mayans, to name a few, were pretty stupid since they had a god for every thing they couldn’t explain because they weren’t smart enough to think that maybe they could actually explain what a lightning bolt was instead of just saying “Our God of Lightning is pissed! Bow & ask for forgiveness, heathens!” >.< I think it's a bigger insult to God to not question how certain things work since he did give us the ability to think, evaluate, etc etc. After all, nothing upsets most people more than offering someone a gift only for that person to spit on that gift & say "I don't want your crap!" That's an insult in & of itself.
I didn’t say we shouldn’t, in fact im taking a college level course on scientific proofs for creation. He assumed i thought that we shouldn’t look into science. Im just saying when the Bible (which is written BY INSPIRATION OF GOD) says something is how it came to be, in a very clear way, thats how Christians should believe it came to be. Especially since science backs it up.
That’s a nice religious way of looking at the theory of evolution.
I believe in God as well. And I believe his ultimate design for the inhabitants of this planet is far too complex for any of us to understand. The existence of evolution does not rule out a god. One does not have to go without the other. That’s is a very primitive way of thinking. I believe most people have such a simplistic view about the universe, when in actuality there is nothing simplistic about it. You say evolutions sole purpose was to explain or to find a way for things to exist without God. And that’s just simply not true. That was not the intent or the motivation behind the discovery of evolution. It would be wise for God to make animals adapt and evolve to thier surroundings, when he in fact made an ever changing world. You cannot be so fast to rule out something just because you don’t understand it. One thing I know is that anything is possible, and to say something does not exist without proof is a bit hypocritical.
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Exactly but too many people are drones to things they believe in etc etc
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You were actually telli g a fact and should be good that you did and that shows you arent a complete nintendrone yet ya cunt punk bitch
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Said the fly to the mechanical spider.
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Are we really counting changing the age of a couple of characters as censorship? Totally ridiculous.
(Note: This isn’t a commentary on any of the other changes, but including a couple of age changes in a video about censorship is ridiculous)
Changing the ages makes it even worse, because they are making them 18 but still censoring them, where all they had to do was make them 18 and the whole game would be fine (even though it already fucking is teh game isn’t even lewd). So they have some fucked up perception that 18 year old girls in bikinis is just way too hardcore for the west, because we have sharia law apparently. They did the same thing to fatal frame and that was an M rated horror game, where the outfits were also a part of the story.
God damn nintendo is eating shit
Best part of the news: my girlfriend is salty as fuck because she won’t be able to see the prominent bulges of the boys in the now banned hot springs DLC.
She’s going to need more than just a drink to calm herself down.
So what will calm her down ha lol
Probably sex or me giving her some candy. She can be quite the brat when pissed off like my mother.
It’s not the action so much as it is the basis for said action. I haven’t bought, owned, or cared to either buy or own any of the games for any system that have been affected recently by censorship…yet it annoys me. It’s not the religious people behind this one. Shockingly, though Western religious people may have a problem with things others may say or do, they generally don’t try to police. When the West was even more religious back in the day, we got everything. You’d think religion would be the ball and chain holding us back, and the more we break away from it the more freedom we’d get, and the more goods we’d see coming in. The opposite seems to be happening however.
As the West breaks away from religion and starts embracing other ideologies on a large scale such as radical and irrational feminism, political correctness, the prioritization of feelings among other things, I’ve noticed we’re being clamped down on harder than we’ve ever been before. There are now a lot more rules, a lot more regulations, a lot more ways for you to step on someone’s toes, a lot more ways to be deemed racist, sexist, and hateful, a lot more ways to be persecuted, and a lot less room for any freedom that this current movement disagrees with. I haven’t felt this tightly squeezed in all my days being alive, though somehow we’re suppose to be progressing.
When companies start tailoring every game that comes out not to the people who actually play them, but to the guard dogs who just think it’s their job to control everything that enters and leaves their borders because of feelings, even if it’s got nothing to do with them, we’ve got a problem. What I see coming out of this movement, is the real progression of society on one or two fronts, at the price of wide spread regression on a large scale in countless other areas. To people like batman, I say, the word “censorship” doesn’t identify solely with perverse images. It can be applied to anything. Anyone in the West loving censorship doesn’t know a thing about the structures and foundations that have allowed their civilizations to become the fastest blossoming civilizations known to man. If you think greatness was achieved that quickly, and maintained for this long, under the banner of censorship…well…you will see as we plunge further into chaos how very wrong you are.
100 percent agree and that nintendo should be ashamed of themselves and eat shit because they censor this and censor that
So you dont have x or are there exceptions to your not buying censored games rule
If it isn’t enough that nintendo has tried to beat off fans with a stick over the years with the wii and to an extent the wii u with lack of third party, weird hardware, casualizing so many series, straight up fucking ruining series like paper mario and as of late chibi robo, mario tennis, mario party, and other shit i’m probably forgetting. Region locks, physical DLC. They have now gone completely insane with censorship, and it really shines a light on how fucking horrible nintendo fans are that they are actively praising and accepting cut content and putting a bag on top of anything remotely sexual or adult in videogames. If the NX does not break this in some way the only people left are going to be retards defending tooth and nail the decisions to butcher games, I don’t think a G rated console is going ot be very successful, third parties aren’t going to be thrilled that they have to make a special baby edition for their console.
And would most likely create more shootings in America if they pissed off the wrong people? Remember Sandy Hook? Think that, but 10x worse!
I have a bad feeling that someone is going to fly to NoA and commit a massacre so big that it would literally paint gamers a bad name in the mainstream media….
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting_conspiracy_theories
FOUND IT! lol We need to join the PC master race and support some poorly made PC games that are actually good and junk. ;)
I agree things have gotten worse on some fronts, but have loosened on others. Marijuana is practically legal now, and remember there is no censorship coming out of the Sony or Microsoft camp. I think the main problem is that today it is so easy to sue for anything. Getting sued is a companies biggest fear and they go through great lengths to prevent this from happening, censoring and regulating if need be. Censorship is never to protect the consumer, but to protect the supplier from getting potentially sued. Nobody really cares if we see a pair of tits in a video game, or some blood, or some bloody tits. They just care if we are going to sue them for it.
Exactly why some countries, seems to mainly be ours that’s fucking sue crazy, needs to curbtail on some lawsuits. It’s getting ridiculous how many people sue these days. If anything, people that win court cases shouldn’t have to pay a damn dime for bullshit lawsuits. Like a woman suing a company for her kid being exposed to cleavage or something because she was too stupid to do research on the video game. They shouldn’t have to pay for some idiot’s bad parenting.
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This is not censorship, it’s localisation. Anyone who thinks that their rights are being trampled on and that this is an “outrage”, should consider are they just getting worked up about a perceived misjustice, or were you ONLY going to buy the game for it’s depictions of clearly underage girls in revealing swimwear.
It shouldn’t have been in the game in the first place, and whether it was Atlus, Nintendo, or Reggie himself who requested it, it’s definitely the right step to take for the sake of decency.
Decency for what lol explain because is a lot of indecency in this world that is looked at much more then this game will be played
Yeah we don’t have 18 year olds over here that wear bikinis, or pop idols that wear anything revealing. Clearly the girls in this game are underage even though they have mature bodies and they upped the ages to 18 anyway, a lot of 10 year olds with c cups that have standard age 15-20 something anime faces. Get fucked, sex appeal is not a bad thing at all it is entertainment and whether you like it or not adds to the game. If you don’t like it then this game isn’t for you, but instead of just buying what you do like, you praise and support the censoring of what other people enjoy.
Localisation is altering something that doesn’t translate literally for the sake of keeping the original message as unaltered and undiluted as possible.
To change things heavily and grossly alter their meaning to pander to certain ideological minorities is not localisation.
It’s actually the very definition of censorship. In fact I would be hard pressed to find you a better example of the word.
It’s very smart for nintendo to do these kinds of changes because for 1 they don’t seem to make much of a difference in story and gameplay. And two they avoid backlash from parents and people who may be offended by questionable ideas and images in their games. To think that it would be smart for them to leave questionable content as to appease the small percentage of people who get overwhelmingly annoyed that they can’t see some panties on a cartoon 17 year old… well do I really need to finish that thought? It’s obviously in the best interest of everyone to make these small changes. People screaming to see 17 year old cartoons dressed in bikinis don’t have a leg to stand on. People angry that they or their children are subjected to questionable imagery and ideas have a very strong leg to stand on. It’s common sense and those who are sore about it are a strange minority. If you actually support the game and nintendo as a company you would support their decisions that save them from unneeded backlash and drama. Throwing a tantrum about censorship shows how your strange desires to have questionable materials in your games is more important than supporting the makers of it. Selfishly bizarre is a good label for these sore losers.
Yeah now they do avoid the backlash and yeah im getting the game anyway but all of the people that will be butthurt is going to be funny and nintendo is still at the bottom of dks barrel with the rotten bananas no one wants to eat
They upped the ages to 18, the changes should not have been made. Even if they weren’t the game is rated T, not every character is under 18, and 16-17 year old girls do in fact wear bikinis. Pop idols also wear bikinis. Let’s censor all M/T rated games because they could get into the hands of children, this japanese audio only niche JRPG surely was going to be the downfall of nintendo if the mother of some kid that likes anime saw any of this. This is the cancer killing nintendo, down with anything adult, off with their head if they don’t put the female character in a burqa, fuck design. Censorship will keep and keep happening, it is only _____, oh but I don’t care about _____, oh…. well it does suck that _____ won’t be in it. It doesn’t matter if you hate this game and all of the shit they are cutting, never support censorship.
Said the pasty-faced beta mangina taking it up the ass.
Also, I’m gay and I still dislike this censorship strongly because I happen to know that:
A)Many plot points in this game relate to the imagery, so removing the imagery means the story will be invariably altered.
B)I’m not going to destroy Michaelangelo’s David or Botticelli’s The Birth of Venus with a jackhammer because someone finds nudity offensive, they can go back to their safe space if real art (AKA, NOT MODERN ART) is too much to handle.
C)I don’t believe that is the responsibility of companies to raise the children of parents irresponsible enough to buy shit for their kids without reading the advisory labels; it says T because it’s meant for people past puberty who already know what a tit is and has already seen their friends and family members wear a bikini without turning to a pillar of salt.
So perhaps you should come up with a better argument than your little “Hurr durr perverts want cartoon girl panties” strawman.
I mentally can’t bring myself to care. Censoring shouldn’t be a surprise by now.
At the end of the end, though, this is Nintendo’s IP, so they can do what they want with it. It doesn’t matter how to slice it: if they want to “censor” their games, then it’s there right to do so. Doesn’t mean you have to like it, but that’s the reality. Would you like it if someone told you that you’re not allowed to prohibit something you own? No. So why do that to them?
If you don’t like it, then don’t buy it. Plain and simple (besides, if they don’t, you’ll still here the same amount of backlash from people who hated the “weeaboo” (hate that word) type of stuff that was in there. Nintendo can’t win in this regard; either don’t do “censor”, and people hate on them for adding it, or “censor” and people hate on them for removing it (look at that thing with Trapp or whatever her name is: the feminists are hating on Nintendo now).
Personally, I couldn’t care less what Nintendo does with the content; as long as the game is fun and I like it enough, I’ll buy it (and probably barely play because I have so much work/I have other games that have yet to be completed). -_-
Also, keep in mind that Nintendo’s been doing this for decades and as far as I’m aware, it hasn’t really affected sales (because the reality is, no one cares, but the difference is that the same group complaining all along is now a little louder).
So… why is this a surprise now?
Them having a history of doing it does not make it okay. Censorship should never be supported. Only hope is that the NX does not only market itself to sensitive SJW piss babies that aren’t buying the game anyway or 9 year olds that aren’t buying these games anyway and don’t even take up a decent chunk of nintendo’s userbase anymore. Though if that were the case I don’t understand why they would break that streak now, I guess NX games won’t have adult content I suppose, or no third party? Maybe they just want the Wii U to be left marketed as their baby console who knows.
Still doesn’t matter. Yes, censorship is bad, but if you’re self-censoring your own stuff, you’re completely in the right to do so. Again, you can complain all you want until the cows come home but the fact of the matter is this:
This is THERE own IP and THEY can do whatever they want with it. If yo don’t like it, don’t buy it. If you still want to buy it and yet you don’t like it, go learn Japanese and import it. Too expensive? Well that’s too bad. That’s the reality and again, if you don’t like it, tough luck, buddy.
Like I said before, if they left it there, people on the opposite end would complain (they were certainly complaining the first time they saw it on the Nintendo Direct and even the first video had a HUGE downvote number on YouTube, so it looks like Nintendo can go either way and someone’s going to complain). Nintendo can easily say that they did this because of the response from social media and apart from their history, no one can argue against it.
Yes they CAN in fact censor there own games, but they shouldn’t. Why would you want censorship? Realistically I know my options, which for the Wii U is just importing a separate console or probably in the future some type of mod. Either they break this chain on NX due to wanting a more mature audience and also needing third party, OR, they get rid of region locking which would also be fine. If they do neither things will start to get grim, the audience the wii U has that either begrudgingly or willingly puts up with this is not enough to support another console, not that this console was really supported well even though they did get back to making a profit.
You’ve barely addressed the things that I’ve said (especially with the fact that the other side of the community complains just as much when they add the stuff in the first place. Both communities complain just as loudly, so Nintendo has to choose one. Until people stop complaining or the communities just complain about one or the other, expect to see more of Nintendo doing this.
Honestly, I don’t want censorship, but at the same time, I’ll only complain if it’s a result of Nintendo being forced to do it (by some government) instead of them doing it by their own free will. For example, I complain that the Chinese government prevents Chinese gamers from playing games and that they give Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft are hard time (mainly because games are a “threat to communism” according to them). I would love to play Splatoon against them and kick their butts, so I get annoyed about that. Now, if Nintendo did something because it was their decision to do so, then OF COURSE I would be upset. But only up to a certain point, because I know it’s not my IP. I don’t own it, Nintendo does, so they can do what they want. Saying that they shouldn’t just makes me entitled and unlike food, games aren’t something that you HAVE to buy.
I mean, Nintendo could just… not bring the game oversees like they did for a while for Xenoblade, The Last Story, and Pandora’s Tower. I know that the Operation Rainfall thing happened and gamers REALLY wanted it. And yet, when they got it, people complained how bad the games were (less for Xenoblade, though). People complain about everything. I know that people complained about most Fire Emblem games, Golden Sun, Earthbound, Metroid Prime 2,… I can go on and on. All good (or descent) games and yet people complain.
At this point, I can see why Nintendo doesn’t give a damn at this point. And in either case, you’re just going to see people from either community saying “I’m not buying Nintendo stuff anymore because ‘X'”, so what’s the point? They’ll just do what they want by this point.
Again, for me, I’m part of neither camp as I like to actually play games instead of find something to yell about. Yes, I find faults in games and companies and I call them out on it (like the fact that Nintendo can’t advertise the GamePad. Seriously, the fact that EB Games and my 10-year old niece can ACTUALLY justify the GamePad’s use better than Nintendo is just really sad), but I don’t make it my mission to do so. Life’s too short, Nintendo’s never going to change, and sales aren’t really being affected by this (case in point, Fire Emblem Fates, and people on the other side of the game’s community (ESPECIALLY the Fire Emblem sub-reddit) complained about the very thing that was “controversially altered”), so why waste your damn time yelling, crying, and screaming that Nintendo censored something that they own and have every right to do so?
Because ignorance is bliss. This isn’t the 90’s anymore. We have access to a vast amount of information, and if we KNOW that what we are getting has been altered and changed from the original product it makes us ask… why? Why can’t we get the game in its original form? Back in day, we actually thought we were getting unalterated games. If we had the information we have today back then you would have seen the same types of reactions you are seeing today.
Exactly. We were ignorant at the time so we didn’t complain because we had no idea half the shit we experienced in our games was changed from it’s original. In fact, we didn’t even know half the shit in our anime was bad dubbing & censoring bullshit, either. Looking back on it, I now hate the original Dragon Ball Z anime. So glad for Dragon Ball Z Kai uncensored! But that’s another topic for a another blog. lol
Because ignorance is bliss? Oh, people knew and people are mad about it. I know that it was in the newspapers as well (like there was an article called “The Dark Side of Nintendo”. In fact, it was BECAUSE of Mortal Kombat that the ESRB was created (because the government basically said, “make a rating system or we’ll do it for you.”)
So no: it’s not that no one knew, it’s only because people didn’t have a real avenue to say anything (because the Internet was just a pipe dream at that time). Now, the Internet exists and trolls are much more likely to start talking. But they’re always the minority (but they’re loud). So I don’t know what you’re saying here.
Your talking about the most popular arcade game of all time being censored for Nintendos home console. Of course everyone knew about that. Everyone and thier grandmothers and dogs and cats knew about that. I’m talking about Japanese games being censored and edited for the western market, which nobody knew about except the well informed. Apples and oranges bro.
So your counter argument is that it doesn’t count because it wasn’t a Japanese game?
First, the topic of Mortal Kombat didn’t just start the topic of ratings and such: it was a start of a very small movement where they looked at all Nintendo games under a microscope; to see if any other games were altered when released in the West compared to their Japanese brethren. But because of the fact that there wasn’t a purely easy communication method to discuss about it, it was only limited to conventions and gaming groups. Now that the Internet has opened up to the masses, people are able to talk about it easily. But the group that complained about this sort of thing has always been the minority. The only reason why they look large is because the Internet also allows you to be anonymous and their ugly attitudes suddenly pop up. They start yelling and streaming. They start complaining about things that doesn’t really need much complaining about. And they’re able to be very loud on top of that.
Second, I think you’re forgetting about the stuff that I mentioned before: gaming conventions, group, and events, as well as other things such as tournaments, game stores, gaming magazines, and even friends and family who had access to these avenues of media and communications. I don’t know about you, but I’ve actually LIVED through the 90s and can tell you that the community wasn’t as “uninformed” as you’re trying to make it seem. Maybe you weren’t and maybe you lived in some small neighbourhood were no one knew what was happening in gaming (or not because I don’t know (nor care) how old you are), but yes, others were, in one way, shape, or form. So no, information wasn’t difficult to find in that regard (however, it was a slow spread).
So tell me: in spite of the fact that all of these things existed, how did the topic of Nintendo self-censoring their own games for the Western audience get swept behind the rug until now? And don’t tell me it’s because “Nintendo was able to control their conversations” because if it was, then I guess i’m going to need to wear my tin foal hat!
Also, two things: this webpage certainly my above points home (because if I was wrong, then Nintendo wouldn’t have been considered as a “kiddie” system in the 90s):
http://www.jjmccullough.com/Nintendo.php
Specifically from the Epilogue:
“By the mid-90’s, Nintendo’s censorship practices were increasingly becoming both an embarrassment and a financial liability. Nintendo was earning a reputation as being a “kiddy” company that was both too patronizing and immature for older gamers.”
And secondly, a simple Google search will tell you that it wasn’t the most popular arcade game of all time. It was 8th (of we’re talking Mortal Kombat II; Mortal Kombat I was 9th).
http://www.usgamer.net/articles/top-10-biggest-grossing-arcade-games-of-all-time
One more thing: if no one knew about this stuff earlier but now people are (I guess) starting to wake up, why is Fire Emblem Fates (… actually, pretty much EVERY Fire Emblem game), Xenoblade Chronicles X, Bravely Second, and many other games (that were censored in some form) still selling well? Are these exceptions to your rule somehow?
Because people that bought those games think if they still voice their dislike for the censoring of said games that Nintendo will somehow listen. Sadly, the only thing Nintendo hears is that money rolling in these days. :/ They’ve said a few times they hear our complaints yet they haven’t done a damn thing to show they are hearing us. If they don’t show us something soon that they are actually listening to us & plan to show it by doing better with their games & doing less bullshit censoring & shit, I think it’s fair to say Nintendo is too far gone to be saved from itself. Let’s hope the NX finally shows us they ARE listening.
Nintendo listening to the masses is irreverent to the conversation, especially since there’s just as many people yelling that Nintendo shouldn’t even put the stuff that they are censoring to begin with (you know: the “I hate weeabos” group, and most of those ARE gamers). There are actual people that are HAPPY that Nintendo altered this stuff, so it looks like Nintendo is listening to one part of the community.
But like I said, these groups are minorities. And all these groups contradict each other, so I can see why Nintendo doesn’t really give a damn: they’re all so inconsistent, so they have to choose one.
Who’s happy Nintendo changed an Indian to a cowgirl? Who’s happy Nintendo took out an entire chunk of the game in Fire Emblem Fates? Most people just don’t care. And that’s a huge difference.
… DING DING DING DING DING!!!
You won! You FINALLY got my point? No one cares! That’s EXACTLY what I’m talking about!
Seriously… -_-
Well obviously some people care… You know the whole minority thing…. didn’t we already go over this? Your exhausting…
I’m exhausting? You’re actually the one who said “no one cares”. I’m just repeating your statement. When I say “no one cares”, I’m purposely leaving out the minority. So I don’t know where you’re leading to.
Well, after looking at your comment again, you DID say most people don’t care. So I retract my statement as it was out of spite.
But my point still stands: this is not the kind of thing that matters at all. Again, I don’t give a damn what’s happening because it’s not affecting my play session. The only thing affecting that is my work hours.
Do I have to mention again about the other group that’s HAPPY about the changes?
Because the people complaining are generally Nintendo’s biggest and most die hard fans. We’re complaining about localization practices, not boycotting games.
Then boycott the games. I don’t understand what the heck is so hard about it.
BOYCOTT. THE. GAMES.
The Metroid community did so with Metroid: Other M (and are probably going to do the same with Federation Force). Why is that so hard to understand? Just boycott the games, or don’t touch a Nintendo product again and mean it.
I’m a Nintendo fan, and I honestly don’t want to boycott them. I just want them to change thier stupid, unnecessary localization practices. They should have universal consoles by now anyways. No reason for region locking anymore.
Well that’s too bad, because it’s the only way to get them to do what you want. Everyone should just boycott them and never look back. When that happens, Nintendo will learn and “change their ways”. But until then, this will always happen.
I have boycotted the games with the censoring like XCX, Fatal Frame 5, & Fire Emblem Fates. Will do the same with Tokyo Mirage Sessions, too. In fact, I’m boycotting everything Wii U now. Fuck that nightmare of a console. In fact, I should take it out back & put it down like Ol’ Yella. lol
Well at least you’re doing that, but that’s not enough. Just… don’t touch another console from them again. Past, present, and future. Let them know that they lost them as a customer and that they don’t exist in your books (and that you’re never coming back in your life). If enough people did it, THEN Nintendo would listen, but since most don’t really give a damn about it (like me) and the ones who do either are mad at them (like you and the other guy) or are happy about it (the “I hate weebs” group), nothing’s going to change.
I can’t fully give up on them just yet. If NX isn’t what I want, then I won’t get that console til I can get it used. That way, I can still enjoy what little offerings it does have without having to worry about my money actually going to those bastards at Nintendo.
Well give up now. It’ll be disappointing for you because Nintendo will still censor at the end of the day.
So just… give it up. Switch to PlayStation, Xbox, and PC. Just be done with them. The way you ended your comment shows how much you hate them, so there’s no reason why you shouldn’t do it. Just do it.
If they get rid of region locking, whether they continue to censor games in the United States is pointless. I’ll just get an American NX & when a game I want comes out & it’s censored for bullshit reasons, I’ll just import. Simple as that.
Even then, I’ll still bitch about bullshit censoring from Nintendo in America because there are those that probably won’t be able to afford to import. And hate them? No. Just disappointed. I get that a lot, though. It isn’t the first time I’ve been accused of being a Nintendo hater & it seems like it won’t be the last.
Well, I didn’t say that you were in fact a hate, but I will say that the fact that you’re still complaining about this in spite the fact that it’s their own IP, they have the rights to do whatever they want, and no one has the rights to tell someone to do thing that they don’t want to do with something that they own 100% tells me that you should hate them.
Just do it. You’ve already boycotted their games, so just go all the way. The way how you’re talking about them suggests to me that they’re worthless now (you did call them “bastards”, and, knowing their history, they’re not changing in the slightest), so why not just switch to a competing platform and never turn back?
Just do it, because they’re worthless now.
Why so adamant about getting me to give up on them? :o *curious*
Because it’s not worth complaining.
It’s not worth complaining about a company has doesn’t change.
It’s not worth complaining about a company who has every right to do what they want with their IP.
It’s not worth complaining if there’s ways around it.
It’s not worth complaining if the company’s competitors are not doing it (and based on the complaints, it means they’re better).
Because the only way for a company TO change is if they know that they’re sales are bad because are angry about a specific thing and not because the gameplay itself is flawed or they were stupid in advertising it in the way that they did.
At the end of the day, they’re for-profit companies. They’re entities that only exist for profit. If they didn’t care about profit, then they would either be a not-for-profit company or a PBC. If they don’t have the money, then they can’t survive. This means that they will do anything they can to get money from you. But this also means that they will do what they think is going to make them money.
Of course, they know EXACTLY what people like you are saying. They’re hearing, but they’re mostly ignoring it. Why? Because a group just as big is saying that they shouldn’t be adding the stuff they’re censoring in the first place.
I’m repeating myself, so I’m not going to go further with that.
If you’ve properly read my comments, you can see a theme here: Nintendo doesn’t give a damn about it. This is something that many people don’t seem to want to understand or accept, but that’s the reality of it.
They. Don’t. Care.
And since they’re being very cold about it, why should you keep going? Especially with the fact that most people either don’t care and just want to enjoy entertaining themselves with the games or they’re happy about this thing that’s happening.
It’s a lost cause now. So it’s time to move on. It’s time to move to the PlayStation 4 or Xbox One. At least they don’t censor their games. At least there’s no horrible online and it’s ACTUALLY a system that fits for 2016. At least you’re not going to constantly see rehashed games of a plumber rescuing a princess or a man in a green suit with a sword or people putting animals into a ball and letting them fight with each other.
Nintendo’s lost its thunder. It’s over. They’re going to die with its values. They had their run and you know it. Sony and Microsoft are the new kids in the block now. The grass is greener on the other side. And no matter what Nintendo does, it will never be enough to bounce back. So why stay in a sinking ship? Just leave and never come back. At least you can show Nintendo that they lost an opportunity because you know as well as I do that they’re not going to change their ways. I mean c’mon: there have been three presidents while being in the gaming industry and they haven’t changed at all with the exception of the fact that they’ve stopped censoring third-party games (for the most part, anyway, because the ESRB and PEGI now exist). Mr. Kawashima was in fact the CEO of NOA at one point. So it’s not like he suddenly said when he went as President of the company, “Well, I’m going to stop making NOA change the content.” He let it go. Because he doesn’t care. So why should you?
No, really: why? When you truly think about it, it doesn’t make a lick of sense to continue going at this point, doesn’t it? Japanese companies tend to not change what they do, but when they do, they completely overhaul everything (whether it needed to or not). Konami changed and is completely overhauling their company and now they’re all but out of the traditional gaming market. And gamers (me included) have boycotted them entirely (I’ve thrown out my copy of MGSV and my Yu-Gi-Oh! cards (since they own the trading card rights) because of their foolish mistakes and ESPECIALLY because they treated Kojima-san like crap. But did they care? While no, they’re only response is that they’re hinting that their games will be only on mobile with little to no focus on the console market. They’re too busy looking at the casinos. They didn’t care about me: they cared about what’s in my wallet.
Well, I’m done with them now, and you should be done with Nintendo. Give them the cold shoulder, leave, and never turn back (no matter how “seemingly”enticing they are; tell them off and make them salivate over the wallet they could have had if they only listened to you). Sony and Microsoft will welcome you with open arms and treat you like a king (even though they also only care about money, but they also know that the best way to get to your money is to listen to their customers, so they’ll be a bit more careful).
Nintendo, clearly doesn’t understand that. After all, they have rarely (RARELY) advertised for adults since they put their hat in the console and arcade ring.
And if you even give them one look at them after your gone, then your plan will fail, because that just fuels the fire even more for them to keep doing what their doing. So they’re done. May as well switch to their competitors.
(Sorry for the long post, but I wanted to make sure the dragged out statements were beating the dead horse of my point and reasonings.)
Your trying to justify censorship anyway you can huh? Yes, I grew up in the 90’s as well, (well actually the 80’s) and I considered myself “in the loop” when it came to video games especially Nintendo. And I had NO IDEA that western games were changed and edited from Japanese games with the exception of normal localization. None of my friend knew either. Despite what you say, and your insistence that you are correct, far more people are aware of Nintendo localizing, aka censoring, western game than in the 90’s. Did people know about it in the 90’s? Of course, like I said the media and the most well informed did. But it was a very small percentage of gamers. And you may be right about it always being the minority that complains about censorship, but today’s minority is far larger than the 90’s minority. And that’s kind of an irrelevant point because it’s always the vocal minority that creates change in nearly any situation that needs changing. So your argument that it’s just a minority of gamers means nothing.
Well then in that case (and again, you barely addressed my other points),…
… where’s the change now? If that’s the case, then all of the games that have been censored should have been selling very poorly by now.
As for censorship, no: I don’t support it. But I support being able to do what you want with your work. If that means that’s “censorship”, then I’ll just make an exception. No one should be allowed to tell you want you can and can not do with your product and you’re doing exactly that. And THAT’S more wrong than censorship. If you don’t like it, then tough, but that’s the reality of it.
Finally, there is an equally large group of people who doesn’t like it when Nintendo adds the stuff that are being censored in the first place and are actually HAPPY that they removed it from the Western version (you know: the “I hate weeabo garbage” group. Or are you just going to try to belittle those and say they’re nobodies, because they say the same to the “I hate self-censorship” group). So Nintendo will get someone mad no matter what. They may as well do what they want at this point.
Again, if you don’t like it, then that’s too bad, but Nintendo doesn’t care, but both groups are completely inconsistent with each other. Nintendo’s still selling well, this sort of situation has always been known (which you haven’t been able to prove otherwise), and nothing’s going to change about it. Oh well, too bad for you.
And I just assumed Mortal Kombat was the most popular Arcade game. It was MY personal most popular. So statistically I guess you got me there! (I said that in a very sarcastic tone btw) And who said anything was swept under the rug until now? The popularity of topics shrink and grow over time, depending on the situation. Nintendo’s censorship is on the forefront now, not because it was swept under the rug in the past, just simply because today’s media has gotten better, and the gaming world as a whole has become much more aware. Also because certain popular games were being censored during a slow media day…. There are several factors at play. It’s not near as simple and clear cut as you say, “things have always been this way, people have always known, nothing’s changed since the 90’s”.
Forgot to use an example of what I was talking about. Mortal Kombat for the SNES (although that… THAT is the ONLY time I could say that Nintendo shouldn’t have done that (because it’s not their IP). Every other thing that they’ve done, though, is completely in their right due to the fact that they own the IP).
I remember my 3rd grade teacher gave me detention and yelled at me for 10 minutes because I brought a Yoshi plush to school XD She kept saying it was a Mortal Combat character and it was evil or some crap XD She also made me bring a for home for my mom to sign saying my “Mortal’s Combat” toy wasn’t allowed at school and that I fot detention for it XD My mom thought it was really stupid and called the teacher to tell her she wasn’t signing something so stupid XD
You have a very weird childhood? When I was a kid. They used to feed me so many drugs that I was sent to a mental institution for 15 years now. :/
She thought Yoshi was a Mortal Kombat character?
What a bitch.
She thought Yoshi was a Mortal Kombat character? *bursts out laughing* Please tell me your mother set her straight & made her look like a total idiot… and a bitch!
http://www.feistees.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/mrkbt.jpg
I get that teachers these days are trying to keep their jobs, but that is beyond ludicrous.
It was in thier rights to censor Mortal Kombat too. It’s within thier rights to censor every game that’s released on thier console. But just because they have the rights to do something doesn’t mean they should. I technically have the right to sue anyone who looks at me funny, or accidently touches me. But does that mean that I should? of course not.
Yep, they are in the right, but in the context of the fact that they on the hardware, not the IP. All this time, I’m talking about the how Nintendo owns the IP and that’s enough for them to do it whether you like it or not, and you decide to bring in a strawman argument into the mix. Really? How the heck did you get from self-censoring your work to suing others for something that happened by accident?
Yup exactly i will still buy the game
I’d expect this from NOA, but not from Atlus o_o Now they’re indirectly messing with the Megaten and Persona fan base, which is primarily an adult audience. This is so annoying primarily because they censor things that are not a big deal at all! It’s almost like they’re holding your hand and treating older fans like they’re your overprotective mom who won’t let you go outside without covering your eyes whenever they see something they don’t approve of. Censoring this crap isn’t going to keep kids from picking up a Playboy or watching Game of Thrones when nobody’s watching. Especially with the Internet! Again, These changes are so stupid. Anyone can google what was taken out, and all it’s doing is frustrating the fanbase… Here’s hoping Atlus doesn’t localize the crap out of Persona 5… At least it’s rated M…
Even Playboy is censoring it’s own magazine right now.
https://youtu.be/U9iABMYJEd4
Where were you when this news happen for 6 months now? O.o
It’s sad that this things keep happening…
I may not be the target, but there’s a big audience here in America that would buy a Nintendo Idol/Fire Emblem game.
There are times that censorship could be understandable (Lin gear from XC:X for example), but when you censor out content just because some people could complaint about it, people who are not the target, people who doesn’t play videogames…it just doesn’t feel right…
Yup nintendo is stupid
WHY DOES EVERY FUCKING THING NEED TO BE CENSORED??
and for Nintendo
WHY DOES EVERY ###### THING NEED TO BE CENSORED?
Seriously. There is a reason why i am learning Japanese.
And why Isis is getting more young people into their sick fantasy world for their God! :(
Yap
Yap yap.
Because nintendo is retarded
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They are trying to be broad with their appeal. On a game which is extremely niche as it is. To make as much money as possible, because they are a business and have shareholders to keep happy, and they need an income to out food on the table.
They clearly believe that the supposed loss of income from those who will refuse to by the game because of their localisation choices, is not as high as the potential income from an impulse buyer who may be turned off the game because of scenes they’ve seen on YouTube of someone enjoying the ‘uncencored’ Japanese version of the game depicting a bikini scene with a 14 year old girl pop idol.
Which I think is fair enough.
Really the issue here is that there even *are* scantily clad teenage idols in the world in 2016 in the first place, but that’s a much bigger societal issue that will hopefully be rectified one day.
10/10 comment, best use of common sense in this thread.
So do you intend to buy Metroid Prime: Federation Force, Sylux? I mean, they are making that game the way they are because they are trying to “broad with their appeal. On a game which is extremely niche as it is. To make as much money as possible, because they are a business and have shareholders to keep happy, and they need an income to put food on the table.”
No, because my 3DS is pirated and I can try it for free. If it turned out to be good, I might consider buying it, but I know it won’t be.
Now, if they planned to broad the appeal of this game by dumbing down its gameplay compared to other Atlus RPG series, I wouldn’t be that interested. Hell, I’m not that interested to begin with, I won’t get this until it drops under 30 euros at most.
And obviously, the context surrounding one game and the other isn’t even remotely comparable, but we both know that so I won’t bore you with the details.
Thanks, Nintendo. You’ve just saved me money. Now I have more money to spend on movies, music, & PS4 games. If the NX doesn’t ditch region locking, I’m never buying a non Zelda, Mario, Star Fox, or Metroid game on a Nintendo system ever again. Localization, censoring. Same fucking thing these days where anything on Nintendo systems is concerned.
What do you wish to happen, Reggie himself pleading “Think of the fans!!! They won’t stand for this, Atlus!”
Remember, in this case it’s Atlus and NOT Nintendo who requested the change.
If you honestly think Nintendo isn’t telling Atlus what to censor or not when part of the game features their own IP that they tend to censor (Fire Emblem Awakening & Fates says hello!), you clearly don’t know how Nintendo is. It’s a game Nintendo is publishing. They have the right to tell Atlus what to do & what not to do since they are paying for the game getting ported to the West.
Just like when Nintendo own the rights to Bravely Second? XD
*shivers* It says a lot about Square Enix & Atlus, though, that they would take the hit for what Nintendo is most likely telling them to do. That’s some loyalty right there for companies that once shunned Nintendo for their past bullshit practices. In fact, for bullshit practices they still do to this day. Or maybe they know something we don’t about the NX. :O
Their all the faces of evil. Why do you think that Sony is now making a PS4K? Shit like this will one day kill the gaming industry.
:(
I’m moving to shitty PC gaming race now!
(I better make sure I don’t get a virus and junk.)
Save me brother?
“Remember, in this case it’s Atlus and NOT Nintendo who requested the change.
According to a BS statement that was caught lying red-handed about so-called regulations forcing their hand.
In the last Direct Treehouse was name-dropped as “overseer” of the localization, then the Rapp thing happens and suddenly the censorship is all ATLUS’ fault?
Are you really that naive?
PS4 Neo? We’re all screwed either way? XD
If the nx is region locked holy shit
If it’s region locked, I’m never buying anything outside of Zelda, Mario, Star Fox, or Metroid ever again. I have zero tolerance for Nintendo’s bullshit censoring.
I would not be surprised and would get an nx when it is really cheap
https://youtu.be/MqjB9Fu6_gk
Replace the Second Amendment with video games and anime and you get the idea? :/
Wahhh I want my anime titties and I want then nowwww!!!
And yet another game with Nintendo involved in censorship (they’re on a roll). I can’t believe I didn’t notice it sooner, but Nintendo is the 4Kids of videogames.
It won’t be long before they pull a Fox Kids & turn all the weapons in Fire Emblem into laser weapons, like how Fox Kids did the Spider-Man cartoon, because it looks less violent. They’ll also replace the word blood with plasma. Change kill to destroy & not even mention death or dying at all because before the character can get the words out, they’ll be cut off by another character going “I know. *sad face*”
OH & we won’t even see blood or limbs being cut off. It’ll either be a fade to black or a cutaway to hide the gore and/or blood.
The funny thing about that? Plenty of Nintendo anime got dubbed and censored by 4Kids in the past.
And look what happened- it was inferior to the original Japanese script.
It wasn’t even just Nintendo that got unnecessary censorship- Sonic X got plenty of it too. I forget exactly what episode, but one character is seen holding a salami in a strange way; in the Japanese version it was a bottle of wine.
“Oh, how vulgar! Kids must not know that alcohol exists! That must be redrawn into something more acceptable!”
NEVER FORGET
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bz0tFVKIYAEXvu1.jpg
Good thing Capcom moved beyond those days. Now everyone’s making Rule 34 of her, penis or not.
Thanks Nintendo.
Ah well, I’m all fine with this information!
Also, you guy’s laid way to hard into Batman for his opinion, let it go. Is this seriously worth it? Some fake skin?
(*Prepares for choas*)
:D
I don’t care at all. For the people who hate it, just don’t buy it.
This game does not appeal to me in any way, but that doesn’t mean I’m okay with what NoA is doing with it.
What’s the point of labeling a game a JRPG if all the aspects that MAKE it a JRPG get cut or twisted or replaced? It cuts out the Japanese culture. I’m sure NoJ doesn’t censor American-made games like CoD (for lack of a better example).
I know it is kind of a controversial term, but JRPG denotes a genre with formal gameplay mechanics. Earthbound doesn’t have a hint of Japanese culture in anything but some humor and enemy design, but it’s still a JRPG.
Secondly, I would consider calling anime idol titties “Japanese culture” extremely disrespectful to the actual culture of the country, but that might just be me.
Meanwhile we have the delight that is Miley Cyrus half naked writhing on stage for 16yo girls…..
And don’t forget about Nikki Minaj shaking her fat ass in Anaconda. If America can handle this, then Nintendo ought to know this shit by now.
Yeah. 16 yr old girls that should be more than old enough to know you don’t do that kind of stuff in full view of the public. Especially if their parents taught them some values. If a 16 yr old is too stupid to know right from wrong, that’s more on the teenager than the person they saw doing that. When did we stop taking responsibility for our own actions & start putting it on other people?
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I just remembered. This is Bravely Default all over again! Changing their ages because of the content yet changing the content, the reason for why they changed the ages in the first place, anyway! Stupid censoring at it’s finest!
Damn nintendo fails again