As you would expect, Nintendo wants to bring something innovative and fun with their next console which is currently code-named NX. Nintendo president Satoru Iwata says if they just expand on Wii U and 3DS then it’s just going to be dull. They want to bring something to the table that will surprise gamers and inevitably entertain them.
“However, if you only expand upon existing hardware, it’s dull. In some shape or form, we’re always thinking about how we want to surprise players as well as our desire to change each person’s video gaming life.”
Thanks, dekuplushdoll and paidenthusiast
So it will be bad
Not bad, just not supported. Cause you know.. it’s difficult to create for something that’s different compared to just ramping up graphics and button mapping the controller.
It will, but not as bad as your usual, vitriolic pointless comments.
A little early don’t you think Nintendo ? And this is coming from one of your grunts
They said the same with regard the Wii U. Sooo…
They say that everytime. If you bought a Wii and were loyal enough to buy a WiiU, chances are you are now done with Nintendo’s consoles. We are all done with Nintendo after this generation. The children won the war, they can now have Nintendo without anymore resistance from gamers.
Perfect, that’s my point.
I used to be a hardcore Nintendo fan. I still own and play every console since the NES. But the Wii U is pure trash, and Nintendo has lost its way.
Wii U is pretty hardcore. It’s hard to beat Pikmin 3 if you wanna make a perfect run, or even close to that. It really challenges you time management and thinking. DKC: TF is a pretty tough platformer. Not satisfied? Try one heart challenges, or the time trials for each level, and try to be among to top in online leaderboards. Monster Hunter 3U, nuff said. Mario Kart 8 isn’t cheap, it probably has the best item balance of any MK game. SSB4 U is the best character balanced Smash game. Wonderful 101, did you even try that? Bayonetta1 & 2? Rayman Legends challenges? It also apparently has lots of hardcore platformer indie game support. Super Mario 3D World….yeah, that was brutally easy, except for the very last level.
You did not get my point in being hardcore. My fault, likely. I intended to say that I used to be a loyal Nintendo fan.
I acknowledge all the games cited by you. But they could be in any Nintendo platform. The Wii U as a home console project with a native second screen required to play the games has failed. That’s the main point of my comment above
That’s was me, my bad.
Ok, I agree with you there that Nintendo barely made any good use of the gamepad as of yet. Though, am I the only one who loves what Nintendoland did with the gamepad? I though it was one of their most innovative games. It seemed like a great start, but went downhill with the gamepad idea. I actually thought the Luigi’s Mansion attraction in Nintendoland was really innovative. Where else could you play that? It’s been amazing for me.
While I agree with you in the sense that Nintendoland – and Game & Wario – have their value and could be only possible on the Wii U, both games are… A collection of minigames. They don’t cater those seeking a more immersive experience.
Yeah, they are pretty much mini-games or small party games. Well, there’s still hope in Zelda U. And I think Aonuma did say that they would make great use of the gamepad, but then again, I would take stuff that he says with a grain of salt. In the making of Skyward Sword, he said it would be the most non-linear Zelda game, really changing up the formula and such…well, we know how that turned out.
Aonuma is the master troll… SS was the most linear Zelda I can remember of. Zelda U will be a good game, I have my hopes up. But I really expect the possibility to play it using the pro controller.
Zelda U will be great I’m sure, but I’m really hoping they add many challenges, making you actually think. It could easily at least be a second option, kinda like a Master Quest. All recent Zelda games have been pretty easy…
hardcore? what are you 12?
12 x 3.
youre 36? damn
I’m old, my friend…
FYI..You are saying the WiiU is hardcore based on the side challenges of a handfull of arcade games. Although MK8 may have better racing then previous installments they actually destroyed the “hardcore” element, of course I mean battle mode. Smash WIIu is exactly the same as it was last time only its missing some stuff I liked, it is very dull. Bayonetta was great but will not return to Nintendo consoles. Fuck Rayman. SM3DW was a half-assed 3d mario.
Are you going to buy the “NX”?
SM3DW is pure shame on Nintendo. They walked forward with the Galaxy franchise, and then evolved backwards to the lame SM3D Land for the 3DS.
Exactly my thoughts.
Come on, battle mode can still be a challenge, and I kinda got used to them using actual courses. It doesn’t really dictate if it’s hardcore or not. What did they take away from Smash that you liked? Yeah, SM3DW sucked pretty much. I’m thinking of buying the NX sometime, mostly because of future iterations of first party franchises I love. It’s the same reason why I got the Wii U soon after it came out, though I am glad to have also picked up some other great quality games aside from the usual.
I love rpgs and fps. Im a huge Metroid fan. What does the wii u offer to me?
Other than Metroid, I would say buy a 3DS, a Vita or a PS3/4 for the (J)RPGS. Oh, yeah, FPS are also common thing in any Sony platform.
Heck, even the X360 has more RPGs than Wii U will have on its whole life cycle.
I think the biggest issue here is not actually challenge or gameplay for these folks, i think it’s the fact that they’re growing up and Nintendo does not do enough to quench mature gamers thirsts for more dark themes and realism.
Only thing pissing me off about the Wii U is that DAMN controller… sorry i just want a more simple controller.
I felt like the motion controls were enough, we just needed an HD version, but nooooo Nintendo decides to push that touchescreen thing on folks.
Sorry but no, i wish i could have chosen wether or not to buy and use the damn things.
Yes i LOVE the games on the Wii U, but i’m sorry.. what Nintendo might think of as fun and innovative, i call annoying and frustrating and uncomfortable.
But i am sure SOMEONE will come and reply to me.. white knighting for Nintendo with dumb ass comments like “you want Nintendo consoles to be like every other console?” Dumb asses, it’s Nintendo’s IPs that make Nintendo stand out, not gimmicks.
I hate saying this, but yeah.. like said above.. the children won, they won’t have core gamers getting in the way anymore.
I’m strictly PC now.
I’m 100% with you: “Nintendo’s IPs that make Nintendo stand out, not gimmicks.”
You just won the internet today.
I also hate the tablet-ish controller. It’s heavy, pointless and atrocious.
“Ah, but what about off-TV play?”, some might ask. That’s easy: Nintendo just needeed to launch an adapter and an app to connect the Wii U to any Android or iOS tablet. Plain and simple.
Well, each person has their own opinions, but I really liked the gamepad. It feel comfortable, and I just used to curling up and just using it off-TV many times. And as a drawer, I use Miiverse to draw a lot…so yeah, it really varies from person to person. Though I will say, Nintendo Land and Game & Wario are pretty much the innovative games using the gamepad. We’ll have to see what they do with the NX. I’m also in favour of plain and simple way of playing games, but at the same time, the gamepad never really bothered me. Just kinda hate the low battery life.
But I really do see your point about hardcore gamers growing up and wanting grittier and darker games. Well, I’ve been around since the start of the Gamecube, and I’m still falling for the bright games.
I still like them to, but.. i like variety.
Granted i feel Nintendo IS trying their best, what with having Bayonetta 1 AND 2 on their console, and Devils Third looks to be a good gritty game.
But i would hope Nintendo would do more to quench peoples thirsts for that sort of experience.
Like Fatal Frame, the new one looks AWESOME, but we’re not getting it.
There are only a small handful of horror games on Wii U, and i would love to see more.
And i won’t knock you for liking the controller, but for me personally i wish it had been optional.
I just realized something, Nintendo is dealing with a similar problem Microsoft delt with with the Kinect, maybe if they dropped the controller or made it optional, people would pick the console up more.
What ever the NX is, i hope it’s something i would want, otherwise i feel the Wii U will be my last console.
Now if only we could get more info on Mario Maker and the new Zelda game.
I remember when 3rd parties actually released grittier, or just M-rated games on Nintendo platforms, some exclusive. Even a few 1st/2nd party entries.
Just from my collection (some are not M-rated, but I’d say gritty nonetheless):
Super NES:
*Mortal Kombat II
(I just didn’t have very many gaming mags, or internet, & lived in a small town. Plus, I was young).
N64:
*Conker’s Bad Fur Day
*Resident Evil 2
*Hybrid Heaven (kinda crappy)
*South Park Rally
*Turok
*StarCraft64
GCN:
*Eternal Darkness
*Metroid Prime & MP 2
*Dead to Rights
*Metal Gear Solid: TTS
*Resident Evil x4 (Ø, REbirth, Code Veronica X, RE4). Interstingly, Ø was going to be an N64 exclusive.
*Killer7
*Soul Calibur II
*Blowout
*Alien Hominid
*Ikaruga
*Robotech: Battlecry
*Prince of Persia trilogy
+worth mentioning: Beyond Good & Evil (I missed out, but might eventually find a used copy online. Still have my GCN & launch Wii.)
Wii:
*Sin & Punishment: Star Successor
*Metroid Prime Corruption
*Resident Evil Chronicles x2
*Red Steel x2
*House of the Dead x3 (2 & 3 Return, & Overkill)
*MadWorld
*No More Heroes x2
*Guilty Gear XX Accent Core
*Heatseeker
*Mushroom Men: The Spore Wars
*The Sky Crawlers
*Fragile Dreams: Farewell Ruins of the Moon
*Muramasa: The Demon Blade
*The Conduit
*Dead Space: Extraction
*Rygar: The Battle of Argus
*Onechanbara: Bikini Zombie Slayers
*Tenchu: Shadow Assassins
*The Last Story
Wii U:
*Ninja Gaiden 3
*ZombiU
*Bayonetta 2 (& the original)
*Stick It to the Man
*Knytt Underground
+anticipating Devil’s 3rd
+hoping Shin Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem is gritty (& retains the level of difficulty & focus in FE GBA, PoR, RD).
Alas, most of those genres & styles have been shelved. Also, companies have forgotten those IPs, went bust, or have abandoned their roots (or just flatout went into decline). 3rd parties are chasing something else these days.
I too wish Nintendo would release their Fatal Frame games in the West, including NA. Wish they’d resurrect Shadow of the Eternals, & find more games like Devil’s 3rd. Wish they’d do more w/ SUDA 51 (Killer7, No More Heroes), & Platinum Games (MadWorld, Bayo). While I’m @ it, I want more Baten Kaitos, Wave Race, F-Zero, & Sin & Punishment from Nintendo. I also want Namco, Capcom, SEGA, Square-Enix, & the old Ubisoft back to making the games that made them so great, even if that means on non-Nintendo platforms.
But, as a squirrel once told me: “The grass is always greener, and you don’t really know what it is you have until it’s gone.” Later, Conker was back @ the same pub where I had met him the 2nd time (1st met him in Pocket Tales). Yep, he was drowning his sorrows in Scotch. Eventually, he staggard out of the pub just as it began to storm outside. That was the last time we met.
Turns out though, we ARE getting the new Fatal Frame now.
I’m happy about that!
Yeah, the Mario difficulty thing followed suit with the Super Mario Galaxy duo…
Speak for yourself, Chunk.
He speaks for lots of people. You are the exception – in this matter.
You’re right, “The children won the war,” and the twins have the most child soldiers in their army, and that’s per capita. Exploiting their angst, gaming ignorance (most started on PS360 and have no clue what real games are), and exploiting their need to feel grown up (photorealism, “mature” content), to belong (monkey see, monkey do), and constantly engaged (with inane achievements), have all been powerful recruitment tools. Yet the most hardcore aspect of the twins is the visuals. Graphics and photorealism have eroded actual gameplay. Cinematic games of the sixth gen have become interactive movies in the seventh and eighth gens, long cutscenes and QTEs as cheaper, easier filler (programming gameplay is so hard), lessening and breaking momentum of what little gameplay remains.
At least Nintendo is trying to offset diminishing returns. I’ve yet to see a spectacular leap in graphics since the sixth gen. But who knew multiplatting would be so rampant, which thus put such importance on raw specs and graphics? I’ve also yet to see a healthy mix of genres on the twins, especially this gen. And the difficulty? Especially in 3D? How many challenging games are on the twins? And what of the extra challenges like Nintendo adds to offer something for a wide range of gamer? 100 percent, finding all secret exits, all special coins, all upgrades, etc. BEFORE unlocking save anywhere. Remember when progress was like the tide and when you couldn’t save and when high scores were the ultimate goal? I do.
Inefficient, off-the-shelf parts to appease third parties, budget multi-media PCs that have little to no relation to actual consoles somehow equals success and hardcore gaming? Sony betrayed what made PlayStation 2 so great, corrupting themselves by copying Microsoft. How many first party games are different than what third parties make genre-wise? Would Microsony piss off third parties if they actually tried making really good first party games? I’m surprised their third party overlords didn’t force them to make one platform like a DVD/Blu-ray player or PC where different manufacturers can produce the same machine under license but all software in that catagory is compatable. Maybe Microsoft would actually profit off a gaming machine for once.
Nintendo might have changed, but not by much. And most third parties and first parties have made things easier and shelved a lot of IP, but most especially Sony and the big third parties. Microsoft is still trying their watered-down PC experience with FPSes, Sandboxes, and Western idiocy. And the Japanese philosophy that made games the creative, fun experiences and consoles the fun toys they always were have declined all around.
Nintendo and indies are really all that’s left of the industry’s core. If you condemn Nintenfo for their faults, then certainly you’d never think to touch the mockery of gaming that is Microsony and most third parties.
I bought a Wii launch day. And a Wii U launch day. I’ll be buying an NX launch day too, I’m sure.
me too. i don’t need nintendo’s consoles to be successful for me to enjoy them. i enjoy their games and i buy whatever 3rd parties may come my way too.
When are they going to learn that a successful console needs more than gimmicks? I thought the Wii U would have taught them that.
If you think “innovation” means or defines the word “gimmick”, then you’re a fucking idiot. I bet you bought Kinect and PSMove thinking its “better” because it’s on a more “powerful” console. Fucking hypocrites
HYPE I’m glad they’re innovating again! Just hope it doesn’t end up like Wii U
Do you even own the Wii U? The Wii U IS innovative! Like always Microsoft and Sony were copying off of Nintendo, this time with their second screen bullcrap. Nintendo always push the boundaries with creativity.
It’s innovative, but in a bad way.
There’s nothing good on the gamepad. And there’s plenty of bad on it.
My Wii U suddenly stopped communicating with the gamepad and I had to do a factory reset to fix it. But I can’t access my console settings without a gamepad.
I’ve had to send my Wii U back to the store, buy a new one and ask nintendo to transfer my games remotelly. The whole process took two months.
If the gamepad didn’t exist I wouldn’t even have a problem in the first place.
When my gamepad didn’t sync up I just turned everything off then back on and held down l r home for 20 seconds to access safety mode and resync.
Please note safety mode is no longer accessible since update 3.0 I think.
Too bad they didn’t think of that issue when Wii U was in R&D what if your console stopped communicating with the Gamepad. That was stupid. Also stupid to have Wii U run on AAA batteries.
But you’re one in a million.
The Gamepad’s an amazing controller, go fuck yourself.
I don’t have one since I don’t have a job yet but I know that it’s innovative! I’m just saying I hope it doesn’t end up like the Wii U with the situation its in now
So more gimmicks basically? I don’t want gimmicks just good games, or at least make the gimmicks a separate peripheral.
Honestly, for once in my life as a Nintendo owner, lover, supporter, and collector. I would like to see just one machine that made Sony and Microsoft do a double take, I don’t even care about blue ray or dvd use. Just give us a machine, that will make everyone want a piece of that Pie.
It’s Apple Pie by the way.
Super mario galaxy 3 will probably be an NX exclusive.
And you have nothing to base that on, congratulations
Actually Nintendo did say something in an interview sometime in the last year that the next 3D Mario and F-Zero games would likely be on the Wii U’s successor.
I’m betting it will be a mobile console where you can hook on your TV or unplug and play on the go without interruption.
Sonys vr ad on and microsofts shit
My theory, it will either be a super charged new nintendo console. Or it will be some kind of console/handheld hybrid. I’d say the latter is more likely.
meh. another gimmyck shit casual console.
what the fuck wtf
Need more info before I’m fucking hyped
You people judging Nintendo on something you have never seen yet are thick as shit.
Don’t judge a book by its cover!!!
Don’t judge a cup by its cupboard. : )
Please just make the gimmicks a side thing… People don’t support gimmicks for an entire console. It’s just not a thing. I was ok with like Skyward sword being the 1 game that I played that used the wii motion control, but nothing else used it and I was totally ok with that. Just don’t push them on us for god’s sake. I don’t want every single game to be based around gimmicks just like one or two games is ok. Novelties wear off, but quality games never get old. I go back and play old games because I liked the games themselves, not because I feel like swinging a controller around.
It certainly looks like that those rumored stories of the once called ” Nintendo Fusion ” handheld/home console hybrid system are starting to come into fruition and to those who are worried if the new system won’t be as powerful as the PS4 and Xbox One or significantly more powerful……don’t be. There has already been reports of Nintendo actually sitting down and talking with major western 3rd party developers about what they want from a home console for next generation. I’m pretty sure Nintendo doesn’t want to give these 3rd parties any more excuses to not support them. It will have X86 architecture, it will have a ” next gen GPU ” based on the AMD R9 series and it will use a standard but innovative controller and if I’m wrong I’m wrong but I don’t think I will be. Given how the Wii U has been selling worst than the Gamecube, I think it’s pretty safe to assume that Nintendo has learned from their mistakes and will put forth a much better effort with the NX
Nintendo talked with 3rd party’s during the development of the WiiU and we both know how that turned out, so no them talking with 3rd parties does not make any less skeptical about the Nx.
They may have TALKED with 3rd party developers about Wii U development but they didn’t ask nor explain to most 3rd parties about what they were doing in great details. They basically just showed them the Wii U and what it could do and said ” hey this is what we’re doing, I hope you guys support it ” but recent reports have indicated that Nintendo have actually been talking and ASKING western 3rd party developers about what THEY want spec wise in a next gen home console. If they are going with a gimmick for the NX it will most likely be an optional feature. Like I said I don’t think Nintendo wants to sit through another generation of not getting steady 3rd party support for their diehard consumers who wants these multiplats. I really don’t think their next system will be a failure
I pray they don’t cheapen consoles with x86 crap. What’s popular isn’t always right. What’s right isn’t always popular. PowerPC is more efficent, newer (someone’s gotta push it into the mainstream), & more customizeable. Microsony destroyed console gaming; don’t welcome Nintendo to do the same. Besides, third parties still won’t make games that cater to the Nintendo fanbase. Keep the flood of FPSes, Sandboxes, QTEs, and interactive movies out. Bugs, microtransactions, Uplay/Unity, too. If x86 is so great, why can’t big third parties make polished, optimized games on it?
Indies will, and have catered to Nintendo and develop for Wii U. Third parties mostly make multiplats that are specifically geared toward the twins. This isn’t the sixth gen where Nintendo, Sony, and Sega saw multiplats that bridged gaps and actually felt like games.
Everyone here that say nx is another gimmick, please shut the fuck up, we haven’t seen shit, plus its still a CONCEPT!
I totally agree with you. Too many people hating cause they’re never satisfied
Nintendo better make the most powerful console to impress the core and casual gamers.
Finally someone else knows power sells hardware not gimmics.
Yes, because once Microsony have released their next machines everyone will wait patiently for Nintendo to trump them, especially when they’ll be priced like PlayStation 3 was at launch. But that’s why Xbox 360 failed, it came out first in the seventh gen bit was so weak compared to Playstation 3 which Sony was able to boost against those that came first.
Guess we’ll never see something like PlayStation one, PlayStation 2, and Wii where games and experiences actually matter. Where 3rd parties actually catered to those consoles and their fanbases.
Xbox 360 failed? No it didn’t. The PS3 just caught up.
Exactly. So a “weaker” console can succeed sales-wise in recent times. Hopefully, Nintendo can convince more gamers of that in the ninth gen (but thankfully they’re rising in the eighth).
2015 is different from 2002. Technology changed. Can’t base it because the weak PS2 won that generation. If it didn’t than weak wii u would have won also. But it’s not. best sellers are from strongest to weakest.
Tech constantly changes, & rapidly so.
PS1 (32 bit, CD format) was a change from 16 bit, cartridge-based hardware, yet it beat N64 in the 5th gen, which was twice as powerful @ 64 bit, but N64 relied on cartridges (while better in some areas, the capacity, dev difficulty, & price were major hurdles). Ultimately, the disc format trumped power, though “weak” specs also helped keep the costs of devving down for the manufacturer, studio, & consumer.
PS2’s advantage over Dreamcast was Sony’s successful smear campaign (which started the derogatory use of the term ‘toy’ for consoles [as if gaming or entertainment is somehow a legitimate tool]). Also, SEGA was undone to some extent by their own hand. & yes, power played a role, too.
PS2’s advantage over the “stronger” 6th gen consoles (GCN & Xbox) was due to releasing before & including DVD functionality. Also, the ‘toy’ stigma was attached to GCN. Even though PS2 was comparatively harder to dev for than N64 & DVD functionality had nothing to do w/ gaming, PS2’s headstart, Sony brand recognotion from both PS1’s success & their other products (Sony was still a major brand in the electronics indistry @ the time), & multifunction kept it @ #1 in terms of sales. Meanwhile, GCN was easier to dev for, but the mini discs & consoles form factor played into the ‘toy’ stigma. Nintendo was also less than democratic w/ 3rd parties in the previous gens. Power & ease of development were not enough to offset its other hurdles. Still, it received a fair amount of multiplats & 3rd party exclusives.
Wii’s advantage was its ability to refresh stale genres (particularly shooters), create new ways to play, appeal to a wide range of demographics, inherited many quality traits from its forerunner (GCN), was powerful enough to hop into the 7th gen but keep dev costs down, used a universal memory card (SD), & was the most affordable. But yeah, Nintendo became a bit complacent towards the end of Wii’s lifespan. Even games in big franchises (namely Super Mario Galaxy 2, Animal Cross: City Folk, Mario Kart Wii, & Skyward Sword), were missing that Nintendo magic & the strong elements that made previous installments so strong. W/ few 1st party exceptions, 3rd parties really stepped in. But they too lost faith towards the end of Wii’s lifespan.
Wii U had so much going for it. It was the 1st 8th gen console to hit, but few 3rd party offerings were exclusive (to Wii U or 8th gen). Also, 3rd parties were porting games that were not only geared toward the Sony/Microsft demographic, but were a bit clumsy & lacked content.
Wii U inherited Wii’s architecture but was far more powerful & slightly unfamiliar. Devs had to work harder & spend more money. Plus, the Wii brand was tarnished while both Xbox & PS brands were strong, so 3rd parties had little reason try. Plus, w/ out Unity & U-play & microtransactions, 3rd parties would be hard pressed to profit on big devving.
It offered a 2nd screen (DS was successful, phones & tablets prevelant, Dreamcast did a controller w/ a screen & it was cool). But not even Nintendo knew how to push its potential. Or rather, they & 3rd parties seemed to forget DSes early days. C’mon ATLUS, where’s Trauma Center U? Even Wii got an entry.
Wii U had better launch sales than 360 had in its launch, but it was Nintendo & a new controller, upsetting 3rd parties’ plans & the cookiecutter approach set by Sony & MS.
It was powerful enough to move into the 8th gen, yet PS3 & 360 were more viable in terms of familiarity & popularity.
It’s reverse compatible w/ Wii, has better online than Wii & yet still free, but apparently all that wasn’t enough.
The reason the more powerful consoles have started to gain in popularity is mainly the prevelance of multiplats: graphics are expensive, so the familiarity of x86 architecture & ease of PC to platform porting is best under this paradigm, even if it’s ultimately cannibalistic. Also, the strength of the PS & Xbox brands already set the precedence. & gamers that started in the 7th gen likely started on a non-Nintendo console & were naïveté to what gaming used to be. I certainly have little to no interest in what 3rd parties have been releasing on Sony & MS platforms. There was no incentive for me to buy into 360 or PS3, & it’s more of the same on X1 & PS4. Even the majority of multiplats on Wii U were not, nor ever my bag or what I expect when buying any console (I also have a PS1 & Saturn). They no longer offer what made me a gamer.
& yes, Nintendo is also to blame for Wii U’s troubles. Mainly, their poor marketing, lackluster launch titles, & poor use of the Gamepad. If Wii U had the same sales as Wii did @ launch, I assure you, 3rd parties would be supporting the Hel out of it.
Power is still not a guarantee for success. It has become more relevant mostly due to multiplats & thus which port will likely be the best.
All that said, Nintendo & Wii U are still the best option for me. Had Sony carried on the greatness of the PS2, & SEGA remained in the game, I might have changed my tune. & if multiplatitis were only a mythical sickness, I’d prolly stop @ nothing to have the Holy Triangle under my TV. But only Nintendo, a few 3rd parties (e.g. Platinum Games for 1), & indies are all that’s left of that once waking dream. 3 console brands, 3 different philosophies, 1 focus: gameplay, aesthetics, diversity, & interesting controllers. & a few, well-fitting multiplats. Alas, the industry has woven a cruel fate for gamers.
Anyway, thanks for your patience if you’ve read this far (& this adds even more).
Oh, there’s also the whole shift from Japanese to Western philosophies, so that’s prolly another reason power is more important now.
But again, if enough people wanted exclusives, then sales of the host console would rise & 3rd parties would jump aboard perpetuating more sales.
It’s just not as black & white as those advocating raw specs seem to think. There again, that misguided notion helps give the “more powerful” console more validity. Bit if they stepped back, judged by tue games alone, they might change their outlook on power. But I do understand if certain genres, styles, & franchises still point them to the “more powerful” console. However, power still didn’t influence that choice, unless those genres, styles, & franchise absolutely depeneded on that console’s power. For me, as long as a game is fully playable & the gameplay is fun, then scaling the graphics back to GCN, maybe even N64 levels matters not to me.
*…so that’s prolly another reason power SEEMS more important now.
**…then sales of the host console would rise & 3rd parties would jump aboard perpetuating more sales REGARDLESS of raw specs.
***BUt if they stepped back, judged by tHe games alone, they might change their outlook on power…
****However, power still didn’t influence that choice, unless those genres, styles, & franchiseS absolutely depeneded on that console’s power.
Yes, I am insane.
I just don’t really understand the hatred that really goes on in some of these comments. I read some of these people’s comments and they bash on xbox and ps but then they get disappointed on nintendo because they choose to not make the typical system like the others. Always complaining about the gimmicks. Nintendo has been coming out with gimmicks on their systems since the NES. I like straight up gameplay as well but gimmicks don’t bother me. It adds something new to the experience. That’s what makes Nintendo unique and that they try to make new things for their systems. Other gamers from other systems laugh at first then their companies follow. P’S Move for example. I’ve been a Nintendo fan since the NES and still true to the company. Then I read the wii u bashing and I read that they need to make great games. I’m sorry but they are making great games and continuing to do so. I’m not gonna name them cause I don’t want to be that guy but you know what these games are. Then I read the whole hate on third party and no hard core games. So we didn’t get Destiny or most of the ones on the other systems. Who cares? We got a few and continuing to get more. To many people act like they’re owed something. If you don’t like what nintendo is doing then bye Felicia otherwise chill out have some fun and relax. Enjoy the games. Nintendo isn’t perfect but neither are any of us.
Great comment
Thank you. Took the words out of my mouth. Can we at least wait before bashing a console. I am a little weary only because the wiiu just started getting good games. Hopefully they will continue to support the console.
Wait before bashing a console? Why? If Wii U was as powerful as PS4 we wouldn’t be hearing about no NX this early. Obviously power plays a role they releasing a more powerful console right?
Of course power plays a role, that’s why every console increases in power. But who knew two companies where gaming is only part of their bisinesses would go ape shit for power to appease third parties thirst for multiplatting and use cheap off-the-shelf parts and inefficent architecture that does more to achive less to trump the first console to release in the eighth gen? Who knew the masses would be so ignorant about what console gaming is, or what power means, or what a generation is?
Yeah will if it’s what a generation is over power why is best sellers the same order from weakest to strongest than. Ps4, Xbox One than Wii U. If power didn’t mean nothing huh. That’s why we hearing about a Wii U replacement after 2 years.
Power corrupts. If “gamers” would rather have shiny turds with the same visuals and genres, then sure, power is ALL that matters this gen, mostly because multiplats are so widespread. Luckily, Nintendo is in its own part of the market, carrying on where Sony turned traitor and Sega failed.
Is NX a replacement? Is Nintendo really going to pander to the twin market? The Dreamcast is still being developed for. Games from the past on “weaker” consoles are still fun. PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 are weaker than Wii U but still get support and popularity. And Playstation 4 and Xbox One have yet to make their power known, their graphics still only a hop. Just because something sells doesn’t mean it’s great. Playstation 4 and Xbox One are still ice cubes being sold to Eskimos (sheople). Stick with movies, they cheaper and usually have better plots.
Nintendo gaming, Sony gaming before seventh gen, and Sega gaming is no longer popular. That’s all there is to it. You don’t like that type of gaming. Graphics only truly matter in leaps, but to sheeps, any extra strand or more man nips will eat that up. Fuck gameplay, I want me some movies. My controller’s battery last so long when “games” barely need them.
Will instead of talking about the NX why don’t let they make a feature on gamepad that connects to the 2 year old port underneathr the Gamepad never used? Why they put it there and yet we hear about an NX? That was stupid.
I’m scared. :/
You and me both. Don’t get me wrong, I love the hell out of my Wii U. But I have never felt so isolated in a gaming generation as what I do with Wii U. They really need to get that third party support this time around.
If you think sitting in ur room or on your PC by yourself with a headset on for hours and hours makes you a “hardcore” gamer then you are a fag straight up…I hate the casual gamer or hardcore gamer bullshit, play the fucking game you like on the system you want and that’s it. I personally don’t like FPS because they are tired as fuck
Honestly, I would be satisfied with a dedicated gaming console that has next-gen graphics (4k is the next gen I believe, my smartphone can film in 4k), a really comfortable controller akin to the Gamecube controller, a great internet service with an updated version of Miiverse that is more mobile and PC friendly, and great first party content right from the start along with third party support. Bam! Easy console to make that will satisfy the majority of gamers. Is it revolutionary? Hell no! It will be just like the PS5 and NeXbox but that’s exactly what dull, dim-witted consumers want is more of the same thing. If they do decide to innovate though, make it fun this time Nintendo! The Wii U gamepad was an interesting idea that was not fully supported nor was it established the right way. What Nintendo should have done was make a killer handheld that can handle the 1080p resolution while it can stream the game from a nearby console. Bam! The 3DS is the new Gamepad and the Wii U could have been cheaper and possibly sold better. All the unique things that can be done with the Gamepad could still be utilized with the Wii U-3DS support. Also, they needed to have a gameplan of what they could do with a second screen. They just kind of threw out concepts at a wall that really never stuck and third party developers had no idea what they could do with the thing. That’s why I’m hoping the rumored “Fusion” could do exactly what I just described. But if they take another innovative route, I really hope they have a plan for what they can do with it and make it fun this time around.
At this point it would have to be 4K compatible since the TV market isn’t there yet… even 5 years from now I don’t think it will be as a whole, maybe 50/50 at best.
Regardless, I would like to see the limits pushed on power, one reason being is that it makes the life of the console longer. Microsoft and Sony, no matter what someone’s opinion of them is, they made a console with a possible 7-10 year life, where the Wii U only bought Nintendo 5-7 years till they have to release something new
Yeah that would probably be the most logical option. I hear predictions that within the next five years, 4K televisions are going to be practically in everyone’s homes because they will be much more affordable soon. Plus this generation did not real push the limits of power like the last generation did. I want to see that happen again. I’m ready for another big leap and I can’t wait to see what becomes of it. But yeah I wouldn’t mind Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony pumping everything they got into the next gen consoles so that they can have a possible 7-10 year life span. That would be great!
definitely
I hate to break it to you my friend, but there is no way in fucking hell Nintendo will make it’s next console 4K. I agree with everything you said, but Nintendo is going the cheap way out, and it’s not including 4k. :/
“cheap out”? More like actually try to profit instead of trying to be on the bleedig edge and lose money like Microsony. Remember, Nintendo is a business and want to profit. Just because you sell a lot of something, doesn’t mean you will profit, quite the opposite in many cases, especially selling at a loss which Nintendo can’t do. And no, going third party would still screw things up.
There isn’t a single single GPU card on the market that can push 4K well, not even the new Titan, so I doubt 4K will be a thing for a while.
Um. They need to try 4k. PS5 will be trying 4k. Otherwise it is wii u all over again.
seriously stop with the graphics
4k ain’t graphics it’s called planning ahead years advance. Like how The 2016 Lexus RX is rivaling the 2016 Mercedes M and Acura MDX. And the Sorento is in competitors like new Murano. That’s why Apple has an IPhone 12 in R&D.
PS5 won’t be out before 2021 anyways.
Oh no…
Gaming with oti gimmicks is boring
Nintendo sets trends.
it’s a phone.
it’s a fucking phone guys.
to play nintendo smartphone games.
If Nintendo makes a phone, it’s over for them. I guarantee that it would flop harder than the Amazon Fire phone
The Wii U’s browser runs NetFront NX, Nintendo’s entering the mobile market, and their indie program has a dedicated web platform (Nintendo Web Framework). My guess is that it’s going to be something web/cloud based. Maybe a streaming platform, something like that?
You take the crappyist smart phone and it has an HD display yet Nintendos new handheld has a resolution crappier than the first iPhone!!!!!! The first! Insane! That’s unacceptable.
Nintendo, can’t you do both?! Seriously, pull your collective heads out of your asses.
Give us something that does both; a machine that is powerful enough to entice graphics worshipping developers; 4K graphics even. Then you can add whatever gizmo gimmick to it you deem innovative to tickle your fancy, just as long as its an optional accessory of course; just don’t hardwire it into the machine otherwise you’d be dumb to repeat the Wii-U debacle all over again.
Fingers crossed!
And it will cost more than a Wii U with its gamepad and a game (in some cases, two games). Oh, but $350 was too much for that. Some whine $300 is too much for all that. Of course, the digital promo and free internet wasn’t enough, either. Or even the great games that cost $50 new instead of $60.
But hey! Let’s add more power like Tim Taylor and charge $600 without a gamepad (or new controller) and no games included! Let’s charge for internet! And if we don’t want our graphics laden games to cost $70 or $80, we need to strip content, fill with cutscenes, and use microtransactions! Brilliant! Best of all, the economy will always be strong and people love to pay big money for digital toys. Please understand, we need to make as much profit on hardware as possible because we like profit and can’t rely on other business sectors like Sony (well…), or Microsoft (very wasteful, bit so rich from other shit).
ENHACMENT IS NOT A GIMMIC
HAVING A 3D POINTER MOUSE ISNT A GIMMIC ITS A EVOLUTION
HAVING TWO SCREENS ISNT A GIMMIC ITS A EVOLUTION
GIMMIC LOL YOU PEOPLE ARE FUCKING CRAZY A LIGHTBULB ON A DUALSHOCK ISVA LOL GIMMIC HAVING A LIGHTBULB ON A GENERIC PAD ISVA CLEAR GIMMIC
WII REMOTE REVOLUTIONIZED FPS CONTROLS AND MOUSE POINTER CONTROOS THE INDUSTRY BEING TALENTLESS AND JELOUS DOESNT MAKE A BLUTOOTH POINTER MOUSE WITH 1600 DEGREE MOTION A GIMMIC
PIKMIN 3 HAS INSANLY GOOD WII REMOTE CONTRILS ALLOWING A LEVEL OF CONTROL NO STANDARD PAD CAN EVEN COME CLOSE TO
GAMEPAD ALLOWS MULTI SCREEN TOUCH SCREEN IN GAME ENHACMENTS IT ALLOWS LOCAL MULTIPLAYER OVER TWO SCREENS IT ALLOWS TWO LOCAL PLAYERS TO GO ONLINE TOGETHER IN ONLINE MULTIPLAYER
GIMMIC NO EVOLUTION IN GAMING YES
YOU CANNOT CONTROL ALL 11 PLAYERS IN PES WITH A DUALSHOCK YOU CAN WITH A WII REMOTE
GIMMIC NO EVOOUTION YES STOP DEFENDING A INDUSTRY STUCK IN THE PS1 ERA YOUR NOT GAMERS YOUR CASUALS
I USE ALL MY WIIU CONTROLLERS WERE AND WHEN EACH CONTROLLER IS SUITED ITS CALLED HAVING A BRAIN NOT A BULB ON A DUALSHOCK
EXAMPLE
IN COD I MOUSE POINT MY FPS PLAY WITH WII REMOTE A BLU TOOTH MM PRICISE FPS GOD CONTROLLER
I CAN INVITE A LOCAL PLAYER TO COME PLAY ON THERE OWN SCREEN USING GAMEPAD INSTEAD OF USING SLPIT SCREEN SO BOTH (GIMMICS LOL) ARE BEING USED CLEARLY WIIU DESTROYS DUMBSHIT4 WITH ITS LOL LIGHTBULB CONTROLLER
EXAMPLE TWO
I CAN LOCAL MULTIPLAY IN HYRUKE WARRIORS OVER TWO SCREENS EACH PLAYER HAS THERE OWN SCREEN NO SPLIT SCREEN ON THE TV
IN ANY GAME I CAN PLAY ON TV SET OR ON GAMEPAD
THOSE CALLING THESE CLEAR EVOLUTIONS IN GAMING GIMMICS ARE INSANE CASUALS WHO PRETEND ADDING A FUCKING LIGHTBULB TO A DUALSHOCK ISNT A SAD PATHETIC GIMMIC
STOP DEFENDING A TALENTLESS INDUSTRY STILL MAKING GAMES LIKE ITS 1996 MOVE ON WITH YOUR SAD LIVES AND “””””DEMAND THE INDUSTRY DOES SO ALSO””””
FANBOYING A INDUSTRY MAKING QTE INTERACTIVE MOVIES VS THE AMAZING WIIU MAKES YOU NOT A HARDCORE GAMER IT MAKES YOU A BRAINLESS SAD FANBOY
WII REMOTE ALLOWS ME TO PRECISLY AND AMAZINGLY CONTROLBPIKMIN 3
IT ALLOWS ME TO PLAY FPS GAMES WITH MM PRECISION AND SMOOTH CAMERA AND NO SCREEN SCOLLING
IT ALLOWS ME TO CONNECT CLASSIC PADS GAMECUBE PADS AND DUALSHOCKS TO MY WIIU
GAMEPAD ALLOWS ME TO HAVE GAMES WITH TWO SCREEN MULTI PLAYER IT ALLOWS ME TO HAVE BIG ENHANCMENTS IN ANY GAME
IT ALLOWS ME TO SMOITHLY AND AMAZINGLY USE MY WIIU OS
IT ALLOWS ME EXALENT YOUTUBING AND WEB BROWSING
GIMJICS NO EVOLUTIONS IN GAMING AND INTERACTING YES
WEB BROWSING ON A DUALSHOCK LOL
FPS GAMING ON A DUALSHOCK LOL
SPLIT SCREEN TV MULTIPLAYER LOL
KINDLY SHUT THE FUCK UP YOUR SHOWING THE WORLD YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT GAMING AND ARE SO BRAINDEAD YOU CANNOT LEARN A NEW CONTROL
PARHETIC CUNTS SOANE BY A REAL GAMER
CONTROLLING THE ENTIRE SOCCER TEAM WITH POINT DRAG MULTI PASS CONTROLS OVER LAPPING RUNS AND MM PRECSION IS A GIMMIC
ARE YOU SURE !!!!
KINDLY EXPLAIN THAT SILLY LIGHTBULB ON DUALSHOCK 4 YOU HYPERCRITE SCUMBAGS
Suprise gamers? PS4 is just an expanded PS3 and it’s at 20 million without surprising people. Just make a powerful console for gosh sakes then it will sell.
Yeah, sell for the wrong reasons and to a different crowd. And attract third parties who clearly have a different agenda now than they did the sixth gen and with Wii in the seventh.
But there’s still the matter of making a profit. It took PlayStation 4 (and 3 and 2 and 1) a while to generate a profit for Sony. So to with the Wii U for Nintendo, but without such huge sales numbers. In fact, when has Nintendo consoles really relied so heavily on sales numbers. I mean, the Gamecube was less espensive and more powerful than the Playstation 2, yet sold just under Xbox but managed to make a profit on each console sold. Plus the high attach rate of *gasp* games. Meanwhile, that has yet to make the Xbox brand profitable.
Third parties clearly only care about power yet they’re locked into relying on the same genres, releasing annually, multiplatting, microtransactions, cutscene filler, and photorealism. Meanwhile, Nintendo has quality hardware (maybe a bit misguided in gamepad reliance and utilization), & *gasp* actual games. Indies seem to make games for Wii U, too, when the bloated, multiplatting conglomerates claim they can’t. And most of what they tried were doomed to fail and not even a fit for Nintendo’s fanbase. If Sony hadn’t turned into another Microsoft, I bet the Sony crowd would be pissed at third parties junk, too.
You people don’t want Nintendo. So stop bitching about something you were never truly in to. You might’ve liked them growing up, but you found something else that suits you better. Enjoy the twins, or bitch at Sony for turning into a clone of Microsoft, or Sega for their own screw ups. What the third parties started churning out in the seventh gen (though they at least released great and even exclusive games on Wii), does not really belong on a Nintendo platform. Even sixth gen multiplats still offered great gaming experiences on the Gamecube. Third parties are a far cry from what they once were. Now they’re mostly a joke.
So let Nintendo profit and make they’re games. Just like it’s always been, if you want a console’s exclusives, buy the console. Don’t let multiplatting blind you to the way things have always been.
So if Nintendo is so much on profit why announce the NX so early than huh? That doesn’t make sense.
Because the masses forgot Nintendo, or found they prefered the twins or mobile.
But Iwata did say they wanted to assure consumers that their new mobile deal didn’t mean they were abandoning dedicated consoles. So they mentioned a future piece of hardware that every manufacture starts planning shortly after launch of the previous one. Microsony already planning there’s (just grab more powerful parts off the shelves). That’s why Microsony waited until 2016 to release Playstation 4 and Xbox One, after those 10 years have played out, right? Longevity. I mean, you can still get the majority of currently releasing twin games on the previous twins. Thatvs why the current gen twins are either not out yet, or are selling so poorly, right? Longevity.
so expect more gimmicks and a repeat of the wii and wiiu.
The only thing i want is:
-Something innovative, new, that breaks the mold, something that other companys can’t replicate or copy.
-Besides that, i want a 4K console, an octo-core machine with 12 gig of ram, and a GPU with 2gigs.
-Then i want for the love of god, a GOOD MULTIPLAYER console, please stop that online only crap! I Want the good old days back, when Nintendo64/Gamecube were Kings of multiplayer OFFLINE, when i see most of the games with a Splitscreen! I want to play with four controllers again. What is the purpose of playing in a 40″ smart tv if i can’t play with my friends IN ONE CONSOLE? Do i need that crap of cable links and 2 to 4 consoles and 2 to 4 tv’s.. wtf DUDE this is a norm that was so absurdly adopted the last and this generation.
Only a few Nintendo games have splitscreen.
What about the let’s play a Campaign with 4 players in one console? Imagine a group playing something like Gears of War in a Nintendo Console with a team of 4?
Why anybody has not shown interest in that feature??
The Playstation console line is over. The embarrassment of the stinking garbage that is the PS4 has put the final nail in the coffin of Sony’s console line. The NX will put the PS4 out of its misery.
Is a joke or you’re a mad Nintendofag? The Playstation series is more alive than ever, meanwhile Nintendo is only a living corpse.
Exactly. Though Sony will probably release something like Chromcast and you just stream games. Same for Microsoft. Neither make real consoles anymore. Sony already turned into Microsoft, I’m surprised most gamers are okay with that. Give the West an inch and they’ll destroy creativity and crafstmanship to pursue the mega bucks. Big problem is that the Japanese way of making games has died. Good news for Suda 51 though as he looks even more unique. But gaming used to be a vibrant and diverse landscape. Now the twins, or Microsony, have turned it gray, made it more like Hollywood. The only life and light that’s left are Nintendo and indies.
Just stop. That was clearly troll bait. And you fell for it.
Everyone keeps saluting PS4 is garbage yet it is still selling like +)100k a week.
Garbage sells these days. Look at mobile games. As long as the turds look cool, the masses will buy. And especially if it’s more of the same, and easier than those hardcore experiences of the past.
Bugs? But x86 is the best and so much easier to develop for. No need to optimize much either, just a straight port from PC to the twins.
Downgraded graphics? But x86 is so powerful and efficient.
Graphics? Hells yeah! But don’t expect any style or much gameplay.
It’s the kiddies that like this over-hyped crap. Adults usually want quality, but no longer have the time or drive to game anymore.
Actually a Power PC7 is more efficient than an X86 though. It’s better with console gaming than an X86.
Exactly, but third parties would rather go the easy route and support budget PCs. Before the eighth gen twins were ever released they were popping boners and forgetting the Wii U. And the masses didn’t care, they even forgive the constant bugs and unpolished games because of power and third parties make the best games. They get stung time and again by mosquitos, but refuse to squash them.
But of course, all things Nintendo must be repelled. Nintendo takes too long, and the masses would rather pop boners for rushjobs than wait for polished games. The masses don’t appreciate quality, it’s all about quantity. They think an extra hundred is worth the extra power, but just like x86, they have spend more for whatvs really less.
And if third parties cared about consoles, they’d support the Wii U. They seem fine supporting the last twins. But short term profits are what they are after, and will not invest in Wii U because the millions made off games is not enough, even if that game was a cut and paste sequel. It’s almost like they are the companies that not just reduce the amount of product in a package, but they also hike the price. You would think keeping the old price but reducing the amount of product would be enough. But they are either too greedy or something’s seriously wrong with the economy. Third parties have no spending money? Why are they making more money now but making less games? Digital stuff should cut costs, bit they some how need even more money? I think the Microsony fans and graphic whores are killing the industry, and Microsony is letting them. Nintendo is not always right and slow, but they think long term and are like a parent is to unruly children. But eventually, the children learn and respect their parents.
Third parties say it’s the Wii U’s hardware stopping them, but turn around and support the last twins. They know the Wii U needs games, but they won’t ever try. Third parties are slaves to the cheap whims and big money hats of Microsony. They told Microsony to use x86 to make things cheap and easy, or down and dirty. They win but gamers don’t.
I am really curious to see what features the Nintendo NX will have, and what its launch titles will be.
NX will be for Nintendo as Dreamcast was for Sega.
i hope they will put their games into amibo instead of disk.that would be awesome.for every game there will be a trophy amiibo like the trophy of samsh bros.then you put the stand on the console and the game will start to download in the hard disk.tthe the console will connect to the internet and will retrieve an unique code to validate the game
All I want is for Nintendo to make a true, next gen, high power console that finally shuts up everybody who’s complaining and saying that the Wii U is weak etc. And I hope the NX gets a HELLUVA lot more third-party support than the Wii U. I want Nintendo’s console to be the one that everybody talks about and buys. I bought a PS3, and I’m still not “feeling it” like I always have with Nintendo’s consoles.
Meh. It’ll take a lot more than tech specs to get third parties to create much of anything for a Nintendo console. For that, look to indies. To be fair, thord parties did cater to Wii with unique (for seventh gen) games and lots of exclusives (which wouldn’t have existed if Wii was a graphics whore’s wet dream).
Nintendo is sole heir to the core market. Unless you count Sony releasing PlayStation and PlayStation 2 titles, and of course indie support on the other consoles. But by and large, Microsony is in their own, Hollywood/graphics whore district. I hope Nintendo strengthens their own portion of the market with more genres and age groups than emphasis graphics, cutscenes, bugs, microtransactions, multiplattimg and a very limited genre selection. Graphics are expensive. Why do you think Microsony and third parties have had to abandon all else? It would cost too much and take too much time to have graphics and everything else. Who wants to pay $80 or $90 for a game? Best to charge $60 or below for movies and try to pick up the rest with microtransactions.
Yep. You prolly read an article like this 1:
http://bensbargains.com/thecheckout/bens-bytes/revealed-why-video-games-are-so-expensive/
The reason why it’s so hard for 3rd party to put games on Wii U is because 10million wii u owners didn’t support Bayonetta 2. That’s why. The few 3rd party tittles tall don’t buy then it makes it hard for the NX to get 3rd party regardless how powerful it will be.
Bayonetta isn’t fot everyone, that was evident on the last gen twins. But Bayo 2 still did well for an exclusive campared to its multiplat first outing. And that’s one genre. Third parties could still create FPSes and Sandboxes on the Wii U if they were optimized, complete, and brimming with content. No microtransactions or Uplay stuff. And less photorealism. Red Steel 2 was an FPS that fit Nintendo, more so than The Conduit 2. But third parties not only need to at least look creative to succeed on a Nintendo platform, but also make games in genres beside FPSes and Sandboxes.
Power and architect issues? They still cater to the last gen twins.
And look at how most Western third parties shy away from the 3DS. Nintendo gamera demand quality and crearivity, regardless of its hardware or sofware. But the big issue is having to invest in so much power and catwring to graphics whores that kills diversity and any real chance Nintendo will ever see real support from third party games that actually cater to that style and Japanese philosophy that’s become so niche. Thatvs why indies are able to put the AAA games to utter shame, biting off more than they can chew is harder to do under the core principles of actual gaming.
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watch nintendo just make a powerful console then EVERYBODY is gonna complain about not being innovative enough LOL! the gaming fanbase are hypocrites
How an you not be innovative with more power? They can make noticeable updates with more power over time. Wii U gets updates but because it’s so weak nothing is noticable. More power than we can see and experience features.
& yet, when was the last time power translated to, say, better physics? Have PS4/X1 games become faster (& I ain’t talking loadtimes)?
Or say more content? Some Open World games might be big, but how much life & activities are there? Xenoblade Chronicles on Wii, using Classic Controller, seemed to team w/ life & a lot, perhaps too much to do (albeit mostly similar quests)? Sure, motion controls were unnecessary, but so to was power compared to the competition. & of course, everything can be better (when does it end?).
Or something like Katamari Damancy or Wonderful 101, which apparently rely less on power & more on creativity (& w/ W101, the Gamepad)? ZombiU uses the Gamepad well to create that experience (sure, it can be mapped on a traditional controller, but it’s not the same). Rayman Legends was enhanced by the Gamepad & those enhancements really shine compared to RL ports.
Power only goes so far, & utilizing it costs $ & requires time to dev. Actually, if devs had to rely on creativity instead of letting power do everything & cost so much, the industry could’ve remained on track w/ diversity.
But don’t let 3rd parties’ need for this new status quo make you shun something different. 3rd parties are the 1s that hate newness & work; gamers should be demanding newness & effort in their games.
Good point but that’s not how it works. Nintendo should have saw all that in 2009 when 360 and PS3 sales were picking up and wiimotes and Wii were seeing declines.in sales. But yet enforced that into WII u INSTEAD of adding 4 gamepads to increase power and creativity. Why introduce NSMBU with same style from Wii version and no online and people were supposed to be hyped about that? Also Nintendo Lands graphics didn’t look no better than Wiisports. no online no nothing.
Innovation got Wii u at 9.4 million units in 2 years. Power got PS4 to 20 million in 1 year. You decide where the sales at in 2015.
20 mill in one year and still nothing big to show for it, except Sony, part manifacturers, and third parties get money while “gamers” suffer.
$400 for what’s essentially a Playstation 3… Man… Sony should be applauded for highway robbery and spin doctoring. But hey, if exclusives mean little to that crowd, and they need an extra raindrop or two more than the Playstation 3 version, so be it.
Surely those consumers will get fed up with junk, if they ever pick up a controller and play something for real. The Playstation 3 and 4 really make me want a Playstation 2. Even the Vita makes me want a PSP.
http://au.ibtimes.com/former-battlefield-developer-says-aaa-game-development-kills-creativity-1424543
http://www.macgamerhq.com/opinion/are-aaa-games-killing-the-industry-the-example-of-irrational-games/
“…Nowadays, however, the industry has turned into a profit-taking quest designed to deliver one good game, followed by derivative follow-ups that cost the publishers little and maximize profits. Meanwhile, corporate bigwigs are running the show, determining what’s best for the company’s shareholders, rather than the folks that play the games themselves.
“In some respects, we gamers have ourselves to blame for this. When Steve Jobs took the iPhone out of his pocket years ago, we changed as a community. We stopped caring about depth of gameplay or visuals and decided that playing a dumb game while sitting in class or ignoring the boss at work was more exciting. And when we went home and decided to finally turn on a console, we played online in games that, while fun, did nothing to carry the industry forward…”
http://www.slashgear.com/has-casual-gaming-killed-the-aaa-blockbuster-console-game-21317730/
http://www.gamespot.com/videos/the-point-how-content-is-killing-aaa-games/2300-6423625/
My bet is on VR
VR us dead before arrival.
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Yeah ’cause we all know how that went for the Wii U.
Nintendo, for fuck’s sake grab your balls and go back into competition with Sony and Microsoft, you’re perceived more and more as the joke of the gaming world.
This worries me, but here’s to hoping it isn’t as much as failure as the gamepad has turned out. We are going into the third year of the Wii U and they’ve still yet to use the gamepad for anything significant other than Off-TV play. So who is to say the NX will be any different?
If they do make something new, they need to better work with developers for sure. So they actually use this supposed innovation and not just a screen for inventory or displaying a map.
Nintendo needs to learn about balance though, there is nothing wrong with being innovative but when that is your entire focus, there is a big chance it may not be received well or the hardware will suffer in the long run because of this. Trying so hard to be different all the time can backfire.
Just because something is innovative, doesn’t always mean it works well, or for that matter is even what anyone or gamers will want. I don’t know how many “innovative” products that have released these past years that have all failed miserably.
It may be hard for Nintendo to accept, but a lot of people hate drastic changes. It is proven time and time again in the market space, that people tend to spend more money on familiarity of said products. Rather than spending money on something completely new that they aren’t familiar with anymore.
Seeing as Nintendo isn’t too good at judging what people want either, since they basically think they know what’s best for us. I can’t say I’m too hopeful after hearing this.
I’d just hate for them to be stuck with another Wii U situation, trying to break the mold with something that sees barely any use anyway. Just like the gamepad.
Nintendo brought the thumbstick to the controller.
Nintendo brought rumble to the controller.
Those “gimmicks” are now standards. Sony even added 2 thumbsticks & integrated rumble (or force-feedback) midway into PS1’s life-cycle.
The last part of the 5th gen & all of the 6th gen relied solely on those “gimmicks”.
Enter the 7th gen:
Nintendo brought motion controls to the forefront. The precision of a mouse, plus shake sensitivity. It was a hit for a while, but eventually, the revolution petered out. Perhaps it was Nintendo bias; or Wii’s other “faults” dragged it down (hey, to some, power dictates all); or the misnomers & misinformation; or the ignorance of traditional controller compatibility; or overuse/misuse of the tech in certain genres (intuitive for 1st Person Shooters/excessive in RPGs): or the competition’s copies were clumsy, preventing the revolution from spreading. Funny how Nintendo left the N64 controller as is, w/ only 1 thumbstick & an add-on for rumble. Yet Sony added & integrated. All controllers of the 6th gen had 2 thumbsticks & built-in rumble. Yet it was the other way around w/ motion controls. Nintendo integrated motion controls from the start; yes, improving precision w/ an add-on, but eventually integrated that, seamlessly. The competition’s take, however, remained bulky or used only a camera. & surprise, surprise, their 1st party games showcasing motion controls were mediocre @ best. But both Sony & MS were pushing their camera tech, essentially leaving this revolutionary charge all to Nintendo. Meanwhile, the camera tech completely failed to catch on. Had Sony & MS stuck to their guns, believed in their ideas, who knows? If Sony hadn’t copied thumbsticks & rumble & improved on that concept, would we still be using a D-pad?
Enter 8th gen:
SEGA brought a second screen to controllers in 5th gen. Yet, skipping the 5th & 6th gens, Nintendo re-introduced that concept, but made it in color & a touchscreen. Advances in tech & lowering costs allowed for the upgrades, but the success of DS & the prevelance of smartphones & tablets made it a logical choice. Maybe more subtle than hoped for, but intuitive, especially when consoles have UIs & web-browsing. Of course, two thumbsticks, rumble, & some form of motion control was retained, & NFC was also added. Nintendo & 3rd parties should’ve been as enthusiastic as they were w/ DS. But Japanese design is in decline, & Western design tends to be uncouth, & more utilitarian than creative.
Once again, the competition tried to copy Nintendo’s (& SEGA’s) screen “gimmick”, but did so in a very broken & inefficient way. So gamers, even knowing the popularity of DS & 3DS (Game & Watch did dual screens in the 80s), smartphones & tablets, largely shun this new “gimmick”. Why? Other tech products are allowed to advance, but apparently, there’s no way in Hel consoles are allowed to go past the “gimmicks” introduced in the 5th gen. Nintendo sets the example, but if their competition half-asses or ignores it, few gamers want it. They actually believe the generational standard, the increases in power, will stave off stagnation. Or that the controller hasn’t been evolving every 2 or 3 gens. Meanwhile, DVD & Blu-ray playback has nothing to do w/ gaming, but those are A-okay additions & games are starting to backslide into the movie industry (coincidence?). & they both add to the cost of those systems & are composed of comparatively poorer parts than a dedicated DVD player or Blu-ray player.
Sony & MS sell their consoles @ a higher price than the competition & @ a loss. Business for them as usual & they’re praised. Nintendo sells @ a profit for less & includes a game or 2 w/ a Gamepad few want (though compatible w/ Wiimotes, Wiimotion +, Classic & Pro Controllers, & now GCN controllers). Business as usual for them, but booooo… Who watches all the channels they get from cable or satellite? & that’s a monthly fee of things you don’t use.
Sony has already stated that the higher the price of their products means a better product.
Macklemore calls that “getting swindled and pimped, sh**
I call that getting tricked by a business”.
Wow, talk about going off on a tangent. Where did I talk about anything you just said, seriously?
… Games are starting to backslide into the movie industry because Nintendo doesn’t use Blu-ray..? What the… That is absolutely absurd and has no relation to what you’re trying to claim. Blu-ray has everything to do with gaming, what the hell do you think PS3, PS4 and Xbox One games are put on? Blu-ray… It isn’t just for movies. Since when have any discs just been for movies?
What? Few gamers want other consoles? I guess that is why the Wii U is the best selling console right now then? You aren’t making any sense.
Also you act like Sony were the only people who made a mistake by over pricing their product. It’s pretty damn obvious they learned from that mistake considering the PS4 is $200 cheaper than the PS3 was at launch. Did you forget about the 3DS being over priced when it first launched?
And you act like Sony or Microsoft has not ever had their systems bundled with free games… You make it pretty obvious, you don’t live outside of Nintendo. You just regurgitate nonsense, you literally know nothing about. The Xbox One has had plenty of bundles because it was selling poorly for a while, and even with the PS4 selling extremely well, they’ve also had bundles with two free games on multiple occasions. Just last black friday, you could GTA and The Last of Us. Both awesome games for free with the PS4. The PS4 hasn’t been selling at loss for bit now, the PS4 is making profits out the ass right now, whether you like the system or not. The Xbox One, I don’t know about.
What is wrong with them selling it a loss? Especially in the PS4’s case when it is making a profit now and regardless of selling it a loss before, it was still raking in the cash. First you complain about how overpriced Sony’s systems are, then you complain when they reduce the price by selling it a loss for a while.
So again what’s the point you’re trying to make here, other than proving you’re out of touch with anything that isn’t related to Nintendo. It may seem like I give them a lot of shit, but I give everyone shit. There are also plenty of things I love about Nintendo, doesn’t mean I have to kiss their ass every time they screw up or anyone else for that matter. If I didn’t like Nintendo, why would I waste my time here?
Anyway. Quite simply, I never said anything about Nintendo not innovating certain things that were obviously very successful, but just like other companies, such as Sony and Microsoft. Their innovations are not always the best or well received.
You fail to mention anything about how the gamepad really isn’t even being used. Which is what I was talking about. One of those innovations that aren’t seeming that great, because not even Nintendo implements any good use out of the gamepad.
I’m saying I sure as hell hope they are more prepared with the NX, and don’t release a system that has all this new stuff, that they don’t even use or any third party developers making games on the system use. Like with the Wii U, being a few years in its life and there honestly isn’t a big reason to need the gamepad, unless you absolutely need Off TV-Play.
Which is supposed to be the selling point of the console, which makes it unique. Yet anyone who owns a Wii U, knows there has been nothing done with the gamepad that is unique. More than half the time I honestly never even look at it during games, or I’ll just use the pro controller, since the gamepad battery kinda sucks unless you turn the brightness all the way down. To me it’s more of nuisance than an innovation, seeing as it is this big block controller that I rarely do anything with. I wouldn’t mind it at all if they actually put it to good use.
Ugh, god. Macklemore quotes… Lame.
Where did you talk about anything I had just said? This is what sparked my previous post:
“Seeing as Nintendo isn’t too good at judging what people want either, since they basically think they know what’s best for us. I can’t say I’m too hopeful after hearing this.
“I’d just hate for them to be stuck with another Wii U situation, trying to break the mold with something that sees barely any use anyway. Just like the gamepad.”
Okay, you expanded on that point, but only after my reply. My point was: how will Nintendo know what really works or not if they don’t try? & they’ve been redefining the controller since @ least Super NES, having defined the archetypal controller w/ NES. Surely they were unaware of its impact @ the time. Same goes for the next change. I forgot to mention the shoulder buttons they brought w/ Super NES, which Sony added 2 more of w/ PS1’s controller (while N64 still only had 2). I also forgot that Nintendo did try dual-screen home-console gaming in 6th gen w/ the GCN/GBA connectivity. Apparently, that’s what people want Wii U to be, the 2nd “controller” to also be a console. Maybe GCN/GBA was ahead of its time, but not being mandatory, or a GBA bundled w/ GCN (driving up costs) hurt the setup’s chances of gaining a foothold. If it’s optional, chances are it’ll split the market. Nintendo’s goal is to realize their visions. Good or bad, they have a pretty good track record, & the competition even improves upon the concept. Alas, it seems like Wiimotes got flack even though they proved their worth. & while the Gamepad is not a revolution, it’s as subtle as having 2 thumbsticks, or shoulder buttons, though much more noticeable than the “gimmick” of clickability in thumbsticks. Controllers have always been evolving, & Nintendo usually sets the precedent & takes the risk, but purists seem to think otherwise & come down much harder on Nintendo. I understand Nintendo’s mandates in this can be frustrating, especially re the price-increase for Gamepad features & the subtlty. But what insentives would devs have if the “gimmicks” were optional? If 3rd parties, even Nintendo, fail to utilize them now, imagine how little they’d try if the Gamepad were optional. But it has potential & purpose. In the age of smartphones & tablets, it’s a natural fit.
Sure, Nintendo’s redesigns have been radical in recent gens. & the competition seems content w/ half-assed copying (or pushing their own “gimmicks”). They used to actually improve upon what Nintendo did. I guess they couldn’t afford to do more than merely add another thumbstick or integrate rumble. But the Gamepad still retains all the standard elements. & is the cost cited for the Gamepad compensating for the cost of a normal controller? That cost is a given. If the Gamepad is roughly $100 & a traditional controller is about $50, then isn’t the Gamepad (extra screen that’s touch sensitive, built-in mic, & NFC) really just an extra $50? If Wii U sales #s were high (& its launch looked as promising as 360’s), & the costly obsession w/ graphics were less risky, & exclusives & 8th gen games (@ the time) were higher priorities, then 3rd parties likely would’ve spent more time, effort, & money into accomadating the Gamepad. Yeah, Nintendo should’ve did more than what they did to prove the relevance of the Wiimote. But NintendoLand & the Gamepad’s subtleties aside, the costs of graphics & the complacency wrought by relying on PS3 & 360’s standard, safe controllers backfired in Nintendo’s face this gen. But a lot of the blame & hate belongs to Nintendo, yet that’s who gets it.
& your point regarding “Games are starting to backslide into the movie industry because Nintendo doesn’t use Blu-ray..? What the… That is absolutely absurd and has no relation to what you’re trying to claim.”
I never said it was Nintendo’s lack of DVD/Blu-ray playback that was causing the backslide. Quite the contrary. As I said: ‘Meanwhile, DVD & Blu-ray playback has nothing to do w/ gaming, but those are A-okay additions & games are starting to backslide into the movie industry (coincidence?). & they both add to the cost of those systems & are composed of comparatively poorer parts than a dedicated DVD player or Blu-ray player.’ It should be obvious that Nintendo does NOT include that function (unless you count switching DVD playback on via a Wii hack). Also, it should be obvious that Sony & Microsoft do. And I asked whether or not that was a coincidence. W/ out the proper audio tone, I guess that question mark seemed rhetorical or sarcastic. Apologies for not including more written detail there. But it does seem odd for that ability to be in a console (a pure-as-possible gaming machine), & then have more & more “games” w/ so many & so long cutscenes. But it’s the high costs of graphics that are more to blame for the filler as the work that needs to be done to craft gameplay suffers. I forget to forget the ‘chicken & egg’ conundrum & follow the obvious reasons.
“Blu-ray has everything to do with gaming, what the hell do you think PS3, PS4 and Xbox One games are put on? Blu-ray… It isn’t just for movies. Since when have any discs just been for movies?”
Alright, I’ll agree w/ that. Saturn did play audio CDs because the disc-format for games was the same. Okay, both options are already there, so why not maximize The possibilities? Sorry to impose my criteria of wanting dedicated hardware on others. Though I think it’s a shame MS is paying Sony, their gaming competiton, to use that format. But that would just add more support for why, imo, consoles should be dedicated. Then there are the old arguments: PCs will kill consoles, & “I wish the big three would just make 1 system”.
“What? Few gamers want other consoles? I guess that is why the Wii U is the best selling console right now then? You aren’t making any sense.”
The only sentiment of mine I can think of which might’ve triggered your above paragraph is that the term ‘gamer’ no longer literal when it comes to those who prefer what Sony, MS, & 3rd parties have been doing in recent gens. The few that actually fit the literal definition most likely play Wii U as their main console, & are a dying breed.
“Also you act like Sony were the only people who made a mistake by over pricing their product.”
Um, w/ the amount of flack Nintendo gets for “over-pricing” their products & how I’ve mentioned that in the previous post & elsewhere, it seems I act like it’s others who believe Nintendo are the only 1s overpricing their products.
“It’s pretty damn obvious they learned from that mistake considering the PS4 is $200 cheaper than the PS3 was at launch.”
Yet, I think PS3 was worth its launch price. It was highly customized & more powerful than its closest power equivalent, 360. Its housing also seemed to be sturdier than most consoles. Did they really learn? They might’ve brought the price of what a console should cost down, but they resorted to cheap methods (off-the-shelf, x86), & still pandered to the graphics side of gaming. Nintendo, w/ out the aid of other, hardware sectors, managed an HD console more powerful than PS3 & less-expensive than PS3 & PS4 & X1, while still using PowerPC (an archirecture better-suited for gaming). Maybe Wii U’s power increase was heldback by the Gamepad & efforts for energy efficiency. Yet imagine what PS4 would’ve been like if they did what Nintendo did: using PPC but w/ out a Gamepad (since most hate it so much), & ignored energy efficiency. I bet PS4 would still have the edge w/ power, & the MSRP would be far less than PS3’s launch MSRP. Maybe Sony could set the precedent Nintendo failed to do: reign in 3rd parties thirst for graphics, which would mean they could focus on gameplay, variety, & polish. Imagine if the architecture tables were turned: 2 8th gen consoles (Wii U & PS4) supporting PPC, rather than 2 supporting x86; Wii U would’ve likely had a better chance in the multiplat department (though current multiplats are a poor fit for Nintendo’s base). x86 is really the only reason X1 has a fighting chance, but I don’t think the ends justify the means. Certainly, the lack of polish in games shows. It also seems like x86 wasn’t the Promised Land devs were hoping for.
“Did you forget about the 3DS being over priced when it first launched?”
I never understood why it was seen as overpriced. I mean, it was a more powerful handheld (shrunken tech) & offered 3D, costing as much as a Wii @ launch but w/ out a standard bundled game. Yet, say, Street Fighter IV 3D Ed. looked just as good & retained most of its PS3/360 content. But of course, the beauty of a handheld is exclusives & some hook (whether lower tech [encouraging genres & creativity, playing on nostalgia, or hardware “gimmicks”, portability being the last hook, paradoxically]. Of course, Nintendo just had to let 3rd parties have the spotlight in their lauch-lineup. Even after a price-cut, 3DS only started selling when Nintendo started releasing higher-profile games for 3DS.
“And you act like Sony or Microsoft has not ever had their systems bundled with free games…”
I do? That was not my intent. But it does seem like Sony & MS only do that occasionally, whether it’s a Special Ed. (which costs more), or an effort to entice sales AFTER offering a console w/ out a game. Of course, Nintendo’s been in the game longer, but it seems like it’s the only way they can sell a home-console these days, & it’s still iffy @ that. GameBoy came standard w/ Tetris @ launch (though I happened to get a GB when Link’s Awakening was a bundle option). Wii had Wii Sports bundled as standard. So Nintendo does launch some of its platforms w/ standard bundles. The main reason I was able to convince my benefactors to buy me a SEGA Saturn, was because it was bundled w/ 3 games (for a penny, tax purposes & what not), but THREE games, plus a NiGHTS demo.
“You make it pretty obvious, you don’t live outside of Nintendo.”
Strange…I know I’ve ventured outside Nintendo.
I played on several pinball machines (non-Nintendo).
I played on arcade cabinets, none of which were by Nintendo.
My 1st home-console was an Atari.
I’ve played PC games on an IBM.
I had a few Tiger LCD handhelds & still have their R-Zone (crappy, yes).
I had 2 of SEGA’s Pocket Arcades (returned them for the Game Boy).
I played on the Game Gear @ my dentist’s office.
I played on the Genesis @ a friend’s house.
I have a Saturn.
I have a PS1 (bought between N64 & GCN for the wait, but still enjoyed a glut of Final Fantasy games (including Chrono Trigger, which I missed out on Super NES], 1 Sony game [Legend of Dragoon], Fear Effect [still 1 of my faves on any console], Tekken 3 [set the precedent for Fighter unlocks for me], SoulBlade, & Tenchu).
I wanted a PS2 in the 6th gen, but I had to choose 1 console & chose GCN (my N64 library & Nintendo’s SpaceWorld presentation & their legacy convinced me of that choice; & I was able to afford & enjoy all 50 games in my GCN library, most of which from 3rd parties, or non-Nintendo publishers & devs).
Each console I have (Nintendo or otherwise), have far more 3rd party games in each than 1st/2nd (except GB [all 1st] & Super NES [even split]).
I played the original Halo on Xbox (unappealing to me; I’m just not into FPSes; didn’t particularly like GoldenEye or Turok). I did, however, want Panzer Dragoon Orta & Munch’s Oddysee.
I played Call of Duty on 360 (meh; again, an FPS).
I played Kingdom Hearts on PS2 (was okay, kinda neat juxtaposition of Square & Disney, but repetitive; I was not interested in the story). I also played Soul Calibur II on PS2 w/ friends, but hey, I happened to feel the GCN port was better (mainly the inclusion of Link).
I played Assassin’s Creed II on PS3 (PoP is way better, & the Open World & cutscenes were unappealing to me; AC is just pretentious to me & its gameplay far too unfocused).
I played Destiny on PS4 (kinda fun, but the cutscenes needed to stop; & I’m not jaded by FPSes because I rarely play, though played better than my FPS-loving friends).
I played Shadow of Mordor on PS4 (pretty cool, but another example of using the wrong IP [too violent for LotR, & its plot bastardized a classic]).
I do want Transistor (PS4) & Cuphead (X1), but I’m sure my computer can handle them. Sunset Overdrive looks like Jet Grind Radio, so that’s cool, but not enough. Are there many cutscenes?
If anything, I still live in a time where consoles were purer, & 3rd parties supported Nintendo & published the games I liked, & devved the genres & used the art-styles I liked. They also emphasized gameplay a lot more & released polished, content-filled experiences. A time when cinematic games were still games, & spoiling the story took little away from the experience. When online didn’t open the door to nickle-&-diming DLC, character/item-unlock parity, microtransactions, & trojan services like Unity & Uplay. A time where graphics mattered in leaps, not hops. & what was under a console’s hood didn’t matter because the games justified its existence. A time when exclusives were prevalent. A time when multiplats, however few, suited each console’s playerbase they released on (but damn, Psychonauts would’ve suited GCN). A time when the Japanese philosphy of games was the dominant philosophy (even for Sony, though MS was always geared toward Western tastes). A time when SEGA, Namco, Capcom, Square-Enix, Konami, Ubisoft, THQ, Rare, Silicon Knights (before & during N 2nd party) offered variety, gameplay, & polish; plus, whether East or West, provided a Japanese sensibility (quality, creativity, & quirkiness). Sorry if I generalized too much.
“You just regurgitate nonsense, you literally know nothing about.”
Well I’m certainly no expert. If you are, then please reconsider that I do have experience, especially in light of the new evidence I provided in this post (circumstantial @ best, but so too is your other evidence). TO ME my nearly 26 yrs of gaming [I prolly started @ 6 yrs old) SEEMS to SUGGEST that I am experienced enough, & articulate ENOUGH, to know about what I say & about gaming. I am inclined to shy away from what displeases me, so after researching the shift in 7th gen, I decided to have fun on what best offered me my desires (Wii/DS). I still looked & sampled this new subculture, but little swayed me. I also researched & sampled the 8th version of that shift, only to see it start eating away @ the subculture I’d grown fond of, which used to be the norm before 7th gen, but has become evermore niche now.
“The Xbox One has had plenty of bundles because it was selling poorly for a while, and even with the PS4 selling extremely well, they’ve also had bundles with two free games on multiple occasions.”
But they weren’t standard. Wii U has had plenty of bundles, too, before its sales were in decline (does the Deluxe option count as a standard?). Nintendo dropped the Basic, even lowered the price on the Deluxe (even if it was still less than $400), & started offering different bundles, each containing @ least 1 game, but sometimes including a Wiimote or Pro Controller, or Wii Wheel for little to no extra charge. Has a Wii U bundle ever reached $400 MSRP? But it seems like that doesn’t count because it’s associated w/ Nintendo. Or Wii U has nothing to offer (which is true if you’re really into the “twins” subculture). Or because the Gamepad is such an albatross (an extra $50 while still coming in under $400 by $100 & with 1-2 games bundled). Or because Wii U is incapable of handling a batmobile.
I will concede, albeit partially, on the issue of storage space & pricing. (Is this tengential?) Nintendo has left that open, letting consumers choose from several, non-Nintendo manufacturers & picking for yourself the size & price. But having Wii U since X-mas before last, I’ve yet to use all of the 32GBs (close now). Granted, I use the space for indy & retro titles. I buy physical whenever possible, & physical Wii U games don’t download a portion of the physical game as is the case on the competition’s consoles. It’s any wonder they need more space. My sister’s PS3 Slim (yes, I know, not the standard) was a 12GB model & lacked enough space to play a physical copy of AC III, not because she had so many save files, rather because it demanded to download more than just save data. WTF? Still, Wii U should’ve had more than 32GB as standard to justify it’s price against the competition.
“Just last black friday, you could [get] GTA and The Last of Us.”
Black Friday is once a year, nor is it instituted globally.
But there were also plenty of Black Friday deals on Wii U games & consoles, PS4 consoles, X1 games & consoles, etc. Black Friday deals are not exclusive to PS4. But it apparently doesn’t count w/ Wii U.
Also, Steam, eShop, PSN (for a fee), & XboxLive (for a fee) offer sales, maybe not as deep or on the same titles as Black Friday, but far more frequently & across all major platforms. Wii U also had the Digital Deluxe Program.
“Both awesome games [GTA & The Last of Us] for free with the PS4.”
Their quality of being “awesome” is subjective. 1 should also consider their aesthetics & genres as not something for everyone. Yes, they are popular & critically acclaimed, & the same could be said for games bundled w/ Wii U, but they also suit the PS3/360 & PS4/X1 fanbases. But what 3rd party games would be suitable for a Wii U bundle? As far as I know, ZombiU is the only 3rd party Wii U bundle (& thankfully, that game is suitable). A PoP game would’ve been suitable, but AC is all the rage now, & unsuitable for the Nintendo subculture. A Burnout game would’ve been suitable, but Need For Speed is all the rage now, & even NFS U is unsuitable. Also, GTA & TLoU are not exclusive to 1 platform, so if I were interested in those games (or different hardware) I could go elsewhere. They are, however, unsuited for Nintendo’s fanbase. Sure, they could be ported to Wii U & some would purchase & enjoy those versions. But Nintendo is largely of a different subculture, & 3rd parties stopped understanding that w/ Wii U (or their obession w/ graphics prevents them from investing in 2 different subcultures [Nintendo & PS3/PS4/360/X1/PC]); easier to stick w/ multiplats of a larger group than cater to the oddman out. I’d gladly buy a PS4 if it had the variety & exclusives of the PS2 library (& it’s games were polished & cinematic [balanced]). But PS3/PS4/360/X1/PC offer me little to justify buying any 1 of them. I understand that’s the same reason people don’t buy Wii U; different subcultures have different needs. But when people want Nintendo to change for the other subculture, which would atrophy their own, it irks me to no end. & while I want Sony to change, it’s not so much for them to be something they’re not, but something they once were. Same w/ like 95% of all 3rd parties (FPSes, Open Worlds, photorealism, lack of meaty single-player, lack of optimization & polish; not console gaming). They no longer make what appeals to me, but Nintendo & indies are all that’s left for me.
“The PS4 hasn’t been selling at loss for bit now, the PS4 is making profits out the ass right now, whether you like the system or not. The Xbox One, I don’t know about.” Right, I never said PS4 was selling @ a loss anymore. But it was @ launch, & that’s a very risky business model, especially w/ out other business sectors to help prop up that model like is the case w/ Nintendo. I’m surprised Sony did it w/ PS4 when their other sectors are in such decline. Which means the profits from PS4 are now helping to prop up the other business sectors. & depending on how PS5 is made, those peofits are also being used for it (I suspect off-the-shelf parts might lessen those costs).
As for X1’s profitability: I dunno either; but MS never did profit from the Xbox brand, & has plenty of cash reserves to do whatever they want. But Sony & MS, for better or for worse, will always have the more powerful raw specs, unless Nintendo can find another cash cow to prop up the model of selling @ a loss, AND fronting the costs for more powerful hardware components, licensing, & R&D. Then of course, they need to ensure they can always prop up that model. Prolly 1 reason why Sony resorted to x86 as they wanted to retain that model but could no longer rely on their other sectors as heavily. MS just saw an opportunity to help propel X1’s popularity. Again, I’m not an expert & their reasons aren’t black & white. Nor are they wrong, per se, just not safe or ethical.
“What is wrong with them selling it a loss? Especially in the PS4’s case when it is making a profit now and regardless of selling it a loss before, it was still raking in the cash. First you complain about how overpriced Sony’s systems are, then you complain when they reduce the price by selling it a loss for a while.”
That model is very risky & spoils consumers. Maybe Sony’s hunger for über power sarted w/ PS3 & they thought a console worth that much would be okay to the point that people would get multiple jobs for it. Yes, they learned not to release a console worth that much @ launch, yet they still haven’t leaned their lesson on power or what a console means. Maybe I’ve read, watched, & played too many works where villains thirst for power, usually go the cheap route to obtain it, but understand too little to late (if @ all) that what they sought was never true power. Again, different subcultures. The Sith think they’re right.
“So again what’s the point you’re trying to make here, other than proving you’re out of touch with anything that isn’t related to Nintendo.”
I guess my point was that I never liked the “twins” subculture & am tired of seeing people who seem to suggest Nintendo pull a Sony & lose their identity. I loved SEGA. I loved Sony. I might not have owned all their consoles, but after 6th gen, they deviated from what gaming was about. I loved 3rd parties on SEGA, Sony, & Nintendo, but they’ve stopped making games for Nintendo’s subculture, as well as pre-7th gen Sony & SEGA’s flavors. Look how they bastardized Tomb Raider; it’s only alive in name only.
“It may seem like I give them a lot of shit, but I give everyone shit.”
As do I. But yeah, none more so than the “twins” subculture eats away @ Nintendo’s. When 3rd parties favor 1 flavor & abandons the other. When 1 company turns traitor, giving up when they had the powerful brand of PlayStation (but PS3’s misteps prolly led them down that path, & raw specs have led major 3rd parties astray, too).
“There are also plenty of things I love about Nintendo, doesn’t mean I have to kiss their ass every time they screw up or anyone else for that matter.”
I just can’t say the same for the “twins” subculture. Sony pre-7th gen: great. 7th & 8th gen Sony: WTF? I never much cared for the philosophy behind the Xbox brand. Never was much for FPSes or Open World games, or QTEs, or long cutscenes, or photorealism.
“If I didn’t like Nintendo, why would I waste my time here?” Well, there’s this crearure called a troll… (Although, 1 could argue that a troll’s seeming hate stems from love). You seem to debate rather than argue or just offend. But Nintendo has their own ways. Do I want them to change? Depends on where & how. But I don’t think it would be a real change in the context of jumping into the other subculture, but rather making games more like SEGA, Sony, & 3rd parties used to make. Basically, fund indies & have them make exclusives. Nintendo should fix online communication & unify accounts, too. But again, if they’d absorb all the good traits that were lost by the other powers during the 7th, my faith in gaming would be renewed & the Nintendo subculture could stave off the threat imposed by the twins’ subculture. Nintendo would be bigger to drfend themselves, fill in genre gaps (hope someone fills in release gaps), & prove just how much the others have gone away to do their own thing.
“Anyway. Quite simply, I never said anything about Nintendo not innovating certain things that were obviously very successful, but just like other companies, such as Sony and Microsoft. Their innovations are not always the best or well received.”
Alright.
“You fail to mention anything about how the gamepad really isn’t even being used.”
I say so several times (thought I did). It’s a subtle-but-costly improvement. I mean, clickable thumbsticks are not used very much, but nor is it as costly or noticeable to really matter. Still, the Gamepad does more than what came before as console controllers are concerned.
“Which is what I was talking about. One of those innovations that aren’t seeming that great, because not even Nintendo implements any good use out of the gamepad.”
I think I brought that up. They should’ve been more revolutionary, but the Gamepad is only part of Wii U. An integral but subtle (as of yet) part, but Wii U has much more going for it, or should depending on 1’s tastes. Still, the Gamepad’s potential is not lost, but it would’ve more rhan likely been if it were optional.
“I’m saying I sure as hell hope they are more prepared with the NX, and don’t release a system that has all this new stuff, that they don’t even use or any third party developers making games on the system use. Like with the Wii U, being a few years in its life and there honestly isn’t a big reason to need the gamepad, unless you absolutely need Off TV-Play.”
Okay, & I hate Off TV-Play myself. But I think lack of support goes deeper than trying to find uses for the Gamepad. I really do think it’s because Nintendo is not a triplet; Gamepad or otherwise, 3rd parties didn’t do much in the way of genres, aesthetics, & quality.
“Which is supposed to be the selling point of the console, which makes it unique. Yet anyone who owns a Wii U, knows there has been nothing done with the gamepad that is unique. More than half the time I honestly never even look at it during games, or I’ll just use the pro controller, since the gamepad battery kinda sucks unless you turn the brightness all the way down.”
I tend to use the Pro Controller, too. But I find Wii U exclusives I like, some indie multiplats I like, & never payed over $300 for the console (& it was bundled w/ 2 games). Plus, a game like DK: TF retailed for $50 upon its release.
“To me it’s more of nuisance than an innovation, seeing as it is this big block controller that I rarely do anything with. I wouldn’t mind it at all if they actually put it to good use.”
Doesn’t other me. I have it on its stand, I quickly navigate the UI & play w/ my Pro Controller. I also use it as a 2ndary display for some games. I’d love a Wii U boon like DS had. Where th Hel’s Trauma Center U? & Feel the Magic? The World Ends W/ U!
“Ugh, god. Macklemore quotes… Lame.”
Meh, I thought he was mainstrean enough to better convey my meaning. The quote still stands, though.
Please, if I still failed to clarify my point, then let’s do this again (seriously, but I hope it gets shorter). You clarified your points, & I do tend to jump the gun @ times. I can also be quite literal, too, which also causes misunderstandings on both sides.
Anyway…
This is probably the longest comment I have ever seen before on this site. (Not counting spam) O_o
I KNOW RIGHT??!!!! JESUS CHRIST
*heavy breathing* My eyes hurt now…
*Yeah, Nintendo should’ve DONE more than what they did to prove the relevance of the Wiimote. But NintendoLand & the Gamepad’s subtleties aside, the costs of graphics & the complacency wrought by 3RD PARTIES relying on PS3 & 360’s standard, safe controllers backfired in Nintendo’s face this gen. But a lot of the blame & hate belongs NOT AS MUCH W/ Nintendo, yet that’s who gets it.
–There are other errors, but I’m done correcting that post. I’m too tired & both the smallness of my phone’s screen & MNN’s text window is & has proven too annoying for this. Besides, does anybody really care?
HOLY SHIT
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I think we all were wrong about the NX being a next gen console; from the way Iwata is talking about it, it sounds like a VR system, sorry Nintendo.
Wait they said both the Wii U and 3DS…Does this mean there saying that the Nintendo Fusion (rumored to have been the next console) is the Nintendo NX???