One thing that many people were disappointed to hear about Splatoon is that the game won’t feature voice chat. Voice chat has been a staple of online shooters for years, so it came as a surprise that Splatoon won’t have this functionality. Here’s the reasoning behind the decision in this month’s EDGE magazine.
Amano is a fan of “shooting games”, but when he would invite friends to play with him they would get frustrated. He wants to make a game that is different that people who aren’t fans of traditional shooters can play.
“This is coming from personal experience. When I played online games, I didn’t like the negativity I got and people telling me ‘You’re crap. Go away’. So we wanted to focus on the positive aspects of online gaming”
wrong quote, should be: “This is coming from personal experience. When I played online games, I didn’t like the negativity I got and people telling me ‘You’re crap. Go away’. So we wanted to focus on the positive aspects of online gaming”
And even then, that would mean they are so stupid that they don’t know how to just mute everyone. It takes like 3,4 seconds in BO2 and pretty much every other game with online voice chat.
What’s heard cannot be unheard…
…what does that have to do with anything? Give people the option to mute the game before even playing it. Don’t argue with me.
I’ll argue with you as much as I like :-) Give companies the right to make their own choices. If you don’t buy a game because it doesn’t have 1 minor feature you would like it’s your los.
I never said I won’t buy it, nor is it my loss if I don’t. It’s a loss only if I see it as that.
Yes, companies have the rights to make their own choices and I have the right to criticize them and point out how stupid people working there are.
I guess you’re right there. But I keep thinking that, when the games are of excellent quality, you can’t really say Nintendo makes “stupid” decisions.
Yes, Indeed I can. In fact why not? If they are excellent quality, but are lacking in other areas, they are still lacking in other areas. That’s like saying “You are an amazing athlete, so there is no way for anyone to say you make stupid decisions.” What? The quality of their games and the fact that they don’t really get we’re in the 21st century are two seperate things, and yet they overlap.
What should be happening is instead of saying they’re making a stupid decision, change it to “I think they’re making a stupid decision.” I don’t see it as a stupid decision. Everyone has a smartphone. I’d rather Skype with my teammates than listen to little squeakers spouting words they shouldn’t even know.
What? No. The point of this is for people to be able to talk to strangers and coordinate accordingly. You are a fucking moron. Get the fuck out of my house. Everyone has a smartphone? Ok, so you need two devices instead of Nintendo just making cross game chat an option like X360 and PS3 did like a decade ago?…fff..what?
And you also don’t know how settings work? Ok. Great. Good.
Nathan needs a better hobby.
Thats such a ghetto alternative. -__-“
Everyone always misses this point. Nintendo is targeting a wide audience with their games. That includes children and parents who are not entirely experienced with options and settings within their consoles. You allow voice chat in a family friendly game like Smash, MK 8, or Splatoon, and someone doesn’t know how to mute the thing before hearing 12 year olds cursing at each other; that can drum up some bad PR. It’s simply better not to take that risk. They don’t want the potential of a simple feature creating a hostile environment for anyone. It’s that simple.
Yes, so parental controls.
You know how many grown adults skip all the details when updating their OS or smart phones? Same concept. Those people who have children and skipped all those steps thinking Nintendo is a family friendly company could have a rude awakening when they hear children swearing at each other in a cartoony game. It isn’t worth the risk.
Oh well, then it’s their fautlt. It’s best we don’t even have technology, or better yet kids, because you know. They run and….they can trip on carpets and break their little necks with such ease or type “naked lady” and find who knows what. Go fuck yourself you dumb damage controlling piece of shit.
No, it’s actually Nintendo’s fault for offering a feature that has the potential of creating a hostile environment for children. Yes, children may swear and call each other names on the play ground or in the living room but Nintendo facilitating this in voice chat will absolutely be their fault and cause a PR nightmare.
And as far as your point of view on children is concerned. I suggest you grow up.
Yes, Wii U also has a browser which has a lot of porn on it, Also Miiverse. Pedophiles, rude comments, all that good stuff.
You can’t win here buddy.
Miiverse is heavily monitored and you have to befriend someone in order to use the chat function. Sure, the internet is full of things children shouldn’t be looking at, however voice chat would be Nintendo directly facilitating a function that is widely known for causing hostile environments. This game is targeted for everyone, especially the kids. Again, Nintendo can’t take the risk.
Yes, that’s why there are parental controls, you dumb fuck. I thought that I was pretty clear about that. Stop damage controlling. You cannot win this argument.
Nintendo can’t take the risk? Legally, yes they can. They implement the parental controls, they’ve given the parents power to restrict their kids and what they have access to. Are you retarded? I’m sorry for asking. I know the answer.
Haven’t we gone over this? Yeah, we’ve covered this already…
Some parents skip through the parental controls because Nintendo is a family friendly company. Why risk the possibility of some kid getting chewed out and told to eff off and kill themselves because they forgot to enable parental controls or they didn’t know how to mute it.
Nintendo already had to shut down services because idiots sent picture of themselves to children. Nintendo isn’t going to risk these kinds of situations anymore.
But they are by putting Miiverse and the browser. Risk all around.
I mean if I send someone a message on Miiverse that contains the worst possible things, they’d see it before it was deleted so….risk. Risk. RISK, motherfucker, do you speak it?
Do I speak risk..? Um, yes?
Sure, Miiverse and the web browser are on there and like I said before; Nintendo has had to limit features or completely remove features in the past. Therefore, why include a feature they may have to remove in the future due to bad PR?
Take yourself for example. Our humble little conversation is hostile on your end alone. I have not cursed at you or called you names. Now, if I were a child, playing my child friendly game and heard the garbage that spills from your lips; I’d be devastated. Mom and Dad would have to explain some things and have a rough conversation with their child. Then they’d have to go in an figure out why their cartoon game was cursing at their child.
Sure Nintendo took risks before and has had to either limit or completely remove features. Why not bypass all the heartache and leave a potentially harmful feature out to begin with?
Ok, so what? They are still taking risk with Miiverse and the browser, so that’s not a reason for them to not put a feature like that. Parents have the power to limit their kids with parental controls. There can come out no bad PR if Nintendo actually gave the people power to do all that shit. They are actually getting bad PR by NOT doing this. You just want to defend them not matter what and that’s ok. Retarded people are people to. I mean if it was my choice, they would all be killed, but….eh, it’s not.
They’ve done so much bullshit that proves they have no clue about the 21st century from Youtube, Wii’s whole online thing, WiiU’s whole online thing, 3DS lacking features, Wii U lacking features, games lacking online…They’ve proven themselves alright.
Oh sure, Nintendo has made some bad decisions in the past 10+ years, there’s no denying that. This decision in particular makes sense though.
Yes, it does since you want it to make sense. To me it doesn’t.
Then I humbly agree to disagree.
I know there are ways around it and I would love voice chat among friends or what have you, but I also understand where Nintendo is coming from and respect their decision.
Well, everyone has a right to be stupid.
Well, I’m glad you’re embracing that right.
This
They could make it so that there are crystal clear instructions and warnings everywhere on the box and in the game about the voice chat. Even make it 17+ BUT with a mandatory statement that every store that sells the game must explain the 17+ is only due to voice chat, which can easily be turned off. I don’t know if nintendo can actually get every store or any store to do that, but it’s an idea. Honestly though people do need to stop expecting nintendo to baby sit for them. It’s part of the reason they are so behind in sales with the U cause nobody takes them serious and just looks at them as a kiddie company.
So… A family friendly game becomes a 17+ rating just because of voice chat? You realize how much of a shot in the foot that would be, right? Alienating everyone under 17 just to include voice chat is bad for business. And any parent looking at this thing for their kids with tons of warnings on the box would not inspire them to make the purchase, no matter how you word it. Like I’ve been saying; this game is for EVERYONE and it’s not worth the risk for one simple feature. Nintendo isn’t babysitting, they’re making games that are safe for everyone.
I don’t see why all the smart people have to suffer because there are a lot of idiots out there that won’t know there are options in settings that allow them to turn voice chat off. Besides, I haven’t seen any other games with voice chat in the online multiplayer getting a ton of bad press because a few idiots didn’t think to check the settings. With that mindset, Nintendo should have dropped the Wii U after the second year since there were a ton of idiots that thought the Wii U was just a Wii attachment.
All people that are in on this suck and i no s few of you all . Playing eith some ones head is not right .my phone service will be discontinued tomarow fuck yalls game!!#!##*!!! $^*( me the target Elias
Thank you?
How old are you Navi? In your pre teens or something? Not trying to be rude or an ass or anything, just trying to figure out how words from strangers could hurt so much.
You gotta think from others perspective. Imagine a child who just got this game and heard somebody tell someone else to “kill themself.” It’s certianly not a safe environment. Not to mention, people are different. If you are having a rough time, and you want to play a happy fun game, and you here that, it’s bound to have SOME impact.
They can mute the other persons Mike simple.
That’s not what I was discussing, but ok. By the time muting the mic would have had any effect, they would have heard somebody say something, not to mention despite the COD assumtion, kids wouldn’t know that there is a mic option. What should happen is voice chat is set to off already and you have to turn it on to use it. I personally think that voice chat has shit quality mic, unless you buy a Wii U headset.
Exactly. This was a shit answer. You just mute everyone, unless he was too dense to understand how game settings work, which would explain why Nintendo doesn’t give us options, they just take whatever option is fun for them, and forces it on the rest of us.
I’ve been with Nintendo for nearly 30 years. You’d think I’d be used to it by now.
They do not owe anyone any features, they can add the features they want in, and they can leave out features they don’t want… as simple as that ;-)
Nope, they don’t. And once their customer service becomes as anti-consumer as their business unit, we’ll see just how long they survive.
But you are correct, so long as they are not publically owned, they can burn their business to the ground and it’s totally their choice.
except, they’re not doing that by not having voice chat. it’s about the games, right? It’s a game console, not a telephone…
Again, I agree with you. It’s not just voice chat. Voice chat will not make or break Nintendo.
It IS, however the mindset behind the voicechat decision, infecting many many other decisions that will take a long term toll.
I guess you’re right there. But I keep thinking that, when the games are of excellent quality, you can’t really say Nintendo makes “stupid” decisions, maybe not the ones you would like them to make.
Maybe “Stupid” wasn’t the best word to use, so I’ll go with “very naive” decision making.
Very naive decision making is a good way to put it but I would go as far as to say that Nintendo is too old school with their corporate decision making. The higher ups have their heads stuck in the 90s and can’t get out of it anymore. They can’t play by the rules like they did back in the Super Nintendo and Sega Genesis days. Nintendo needs to learn how to adapt to meet the needs of modern gamers if they want to survive.
the pure idiocy i see behind every one of your comments is astounding, nintendo strives to be different, and douchehats like you won’t let that happen, we don’t need voice chat in a game made simply to be fun, i play tf2 all the damn time with no voice chat and i strategize with people perfectly fine, nintendo’s “mindset” is to bring fun experiences to people of all ages not just the 30 year old hardcore demographic
You do realise that you can still add friends and form Groups and speak with them over Team-Speak or Skype, right?
Fuck that. That just means extra work. Why should we have to rely on stuff on our computer when we should be allowed to use the convenience of using it on the console itself?
The damage control is strong with this one. o.O Oh. My. God! I can’t believe I just said that! @.@ I’m Namie, Shuhei, Hollow, etc etc! *dives into a fairy spring to heal self of the corruption*
You would think they care about what their supporters want, instead of just doing “what they want”. Guess not.
have you conducted a research in which you prove the majority of their supporters are despirate for voice chat?
Have you thought of the fact that adding voice chat would cater to both those who want voice chat and those who do not want it, considering there is a mute feature for anyone who doesn’t want to hear others, which would result in Nintendo pleasing as many supporters as possible?
I’ve been saying this since the day I joined this site.
Nintendo is like Eric Cartman from South Park.
http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/y23Q27K.gif
Yessss love that episode.
LMAO, spot on!
There’s no reason to leave out features. They can just as well say to hell with everyone expecting them to baby sit their kids as they are telling everyone who wants voice chat. Defending things just because it is in YOUR favor is selfish to the people who want the feature. You’re just defending their laziness to include an option and think of ways to make sure no kids can get voice chat without their parents knowing. If you’ve been with nintendo long enough, you know they are notorious for leaving out features and stuff that should have been in. Look at mario kart 8 and it’s TERRIBLE battle mode. Just lazy. Lots of people prefer battle mode, but they just threw already made tracks from the races into battle mode. Sure some people like it, but most don’t. And of course there’s the lack of voice chat in that game as well besides in the friends lobby (which you spend like 30 seconds in between races at most. I’m not trying to be rude but again defending lazy decisions that are in your favor as I said just isn’t fair to everyone else. People defending whatever nintendo decides is why they aren’t getting as many sales. Long time fans are getting tired of them leaving us in the stone age of gaming. They have been fighting online gaming since gamecube and it’s just old. The fact that smash wii u is still laggy as heck and just not fun online cause they went for a cheap internet is just more salt on the wound. Brawl was bad but expected, but now we are two generations of smash being online and yet it’s still just not good. And the lack of online options in smash is ridiculous. And come on you can’t tell me they can’t fit all the maps for 8 player. You have stages as small as battlefield, and as big as the new kid icarus stage and hyrule temple, yet you can’t play on simple boards like the boxing ring? And if it CAN’T handle it, then guess what? They shouldn’t have made such a weak system cause it’s really biting them in the ass. Don’t offer me a new feature that can’t even be handled by the system unless I play it a certain way. And no online so that means unless I have 8 people at once together (which is hard to do these days) that feature hardly gets used anyway since the system is too weak to handle it online, or amiibos online for that matter. All in all it’s one bad decision after another that has gotten so many long time nintendo fans upset cause they aren’t taking the people who supported them all these years into consideration when we ask for these things. Sorry for the rant but yea I’m just tired of games that could be amazing being settled at great.
Man, this comment section is riddled with these kind of arguments… You realize the potential voice chat has in creating a hostile environment in a family friendly game right? You got tons of children who don’t realize you can mute or parents who don’t even know how the console works. They hear 12 year olds cursing at each other and that’s it. That game is going back and the complaints are spilling in.
How about just an option to enable it with people from your friendlist? Personally I’m not bothered about it though.
See, that would make the most sense. However there is still the possibility of a friend or family member creating the same kind of hostile environment, especially if they’re used to the hostility of the PS and XBox crowds. Sure, kids are going to swear and call each other names at school or in the living room but at least there; Nintendo isn’t directly responsible for offering the potential of a hostile environment.
>>>High Command should make a worldwide advertisement about Parent Controls and allow whatever nonsense gimmicks these lower peons want and if some children hear cursing or whatever and their parents did not use the feature, then High Command can just point to the continuous advertisement about it and then press legal charges against their imbecile nature and we get the resources or whatever>>>
I get where you’re coming from, I really do. However, not too many parents are looking out for these sort of advertisements in general and if they are it won’t click mainly because Nintendo is a family safe company. And yes, it really is the parents fault for not looking into their kid’s game console and setting up parental controls but as a business; it’s Nintendo’s fault. Because Nintendo offered a feature that has the potential to create these kinds of situations. Parents will never take the blame, they’ll throw it right back at Nintendo. Again, it’s just not worth the risk.
>>>I think our empire needs to change their policy a tad by evolving a bit, the world of cattle is not the same as the cattle cycles ago, even though the exact same pathetic useless humans inhabit>>>
I agree, but they are a company that markets to everyone. They’ll always do what’s best so that everyone can be involved equally and safely.
Communication=Nonsense gimmick. WOW lol
Lord Zedd discribe why and how do you think your game is fun..
>>>Well I just don’t care about talking to the lower peons>>>
>>>However, if the majority wants voice chat then there should be one, loud humans demanding it ar enot the majority>>>
Yes and we have seen how the annoying kids have found that, yes?
thats what im concerned about. Hate them annoying kids
Yes, you mute them.
If you as smart as you claim to be, then develop your own fucking game.
Give me the money.
welfare confirmed!
Thank you.
We shouldn’t have to take time out of our match to block every random squeaker that yells when they die.
That 3,4 seconds can mean the difference between oppoutunities missed or points gained.
The game should have VC for friend matches, but public VC is better off gone.
Don’t argue with me. You’re more idiotic than he is. There are options to mute everything before playing the game in a lot of games. Holy shit, it’s obvious you people play only Nintendo consoles. You don’t even know how online MP works. Holy shit.
I own and frequently play online multiplayer game on both PC and PS3.
You’re just a hypocrite who makes idiotic presumptions when he doesn’t have a way of making an intelligent point.XD
Well I’m pretty sure that you are lying to me because if you actually did play online MP games you’d know how basic fucking settings work…Or you are just retarded in which case I apologize. Pick one!
I’m perfectly aware how setting work, moron.
And over the past few years, I’ve missed more audio cues due to a random squeaker joining a match that i wish, which have almost always resulted in me having to waste match time going into the list to filter them out of the match chat via muting, so that all I hear is people who have something worth saying and the crucial audio cues from within the game.
Having to spend even a couple of seconds worth of match time muting someone is a waste of time.
Much like you.
Ok, so you don’t know how settings work. I gotcha, don’t worry.
And you’re incapable of understanding simple English, it seems, let alone understanding common sense.
I didn’t expect anything more, but that’s still quite sad.
Common sense? Yeah, tell me about it, person who doesn’t know how to turn off voice chat in the settings.
Try reading; we shouldn’t have to. Having it completely gone in public matches and include in friends matches instead is the better option.
That way no one gets to listen to people like you unless they take the risk of putting you on the list.
And for the record, I’ve been keeping it off for the past several months, so there you go making idiotic assumptions again.
Twice in a row. Golf clap.
Try for three while I pretend to be interested, like I’m sure most do when suffering your ramblings.
Ok, so you don’t know how to use settings. I get it. Fuck, if someone tells me they would rather miss out on features than just turn them off, that person doesn’t know how to use the fucking settings.
Thank you for pretending to be interested in a guy who is responding to you in text that you can completely ignore. You are such an intelligent creature.
Apparently you still have lacking comprehension skills.
Continue ignoring that i’ve already shown i know how the settings work and that we shouldn’t need to waste time turning vc off.
You’re sincerely one dumb ass fucker.
So you would rather miss a feature than turn it off? You lack basic understanding of how setting work.
No, i would rather have it gone to deprive jack-ass trolls of the one real mid-match harrassment tool you’ve got in a game like this.
The moment you are forced to rely upon friend matches to get the chance to chat, you’re forced to confront a choice: clean up your piss-poor attitude and watch your mouth like a good player, or get kicked from every friend list almost as soon as you’re added, and resort to going into public matches, where you’ll only be able to chat in the lobby before or after the match, if at all, so that no one has to stop mid match and risk messing up their flow or missing points opportunities to mute you, or shut off their chat entirely just to avoid you.
So while I’m quite aware of the fact that i could just turn it off, LIKE I’VE BEEN SAYING I AM FOR THE PAST FEW POSTS despite you blatantly ignoring that, I would rather have VC in public matches gone.
Because it stuffs a cork in people like you and either limits what you can do, or drives you out of the game’s community altogether.
Frankly, I’m hoping you never get the game.
I doubt you’d last 5 minutes without being able to follow someone elses orders via chat anyways.
Yes, or you can just not use the voice chat and turn it off in the settings before playing the game in the first place. You don’t know how settings work, I got that.
No, idiot. I’ve already explained that I’m aware of that.
And I’m saying f#$% that.
It’s much more satisfying to deprive an obvious troll like you of what you want.
So f#$% voice chat, because f#$% you.
Ask someone to teach you settings.
Not before you ask someone to teach you basic reading comprehension, troll.
I’m not a troll. You’re just incredibly stupid hahahahaha
No, you ARE a troll.
A hypocritically moronic troll that lacks basic reading comprehension.
I know its futile, but I’ll try once more to get through that mound of fat and idiocy you call a brain:
I’m aware i can use settings to turn voice chat off.
I would rather deprive immature retards like you of the privilege of voice chat in public lobbies instead.
Hence, f@#$ you and your inane little wishes.
The game will be better off without you as a part of it.
Yes, that’s why you can just learn to use the settings and turn the voice chat off, but as you need to respond every time and keep on showing me the sheer stupidity within you, I can imagine why you wouldn’t want voice chat. You’d probably kill yourself if you actually talked with me. hahahah
No, because you wouldn’t last ten seconds in any match against me. You wouldn’t have the time to say one idiotic thing before i’d be handing you your ass on a silver platter.
You’re not worth talking to in any mid match game, and it feels good to strip that privilege away from such an immature little bitch.
Considering how you can’t come up with a decent counterpoint, let alone the fact you’ve been counter-trolled, it just shows how hypocritically idiotic you are, so please.
By all means.
Kepp talking here.
Because I’m positive I’m the only one in your life who’s generous enough to show you pity by replying for this long.
You’re good for a laugh.
Well, Eric, you do talk a lot about how you’d somehow “beat” me in an argument, I guess? You’d hand me my ass on a silver platter? Wow, yeah, that is interesting, especially since you don’t know what we’d be arguing about and if you would just be obnoxious and loud and not let me talk. I’d do the same, except I’d win.
I am good for a laugh when I try to make people laugh. You are funny because you’re so stupid. You don’t know how to use settings hahaha. Anyway, this is my last reply, I don’t plan to spend anymore time here. We concluded that you don’tk now how to use settings and that is the reason you’d rather just not see a feature than just turn it off once and that’s it. Bye, Eric Sellers.
Aww, how cute, you looked up my facebook to try and make your final post before you pussed out and ran sound more important.
Nice try, kid, but the only thing established here is that you’re a horrible troll with reading comprehension issues.
You were shown multiple times that i know how to turn vc on and off, yet you kept on claiming otherwise.
And now that you’ve run out of retorts, you’re tucking tail and running.
Just like every other little piss-ant I’ve beaten into the dirt, verbally or through gameplay.
We’ve concluded that you can’t finish what you start, can’t properly comprehend the posts of others, and that you run like a bitch when you fail to out-troll someone.
Have fun with that, kid.
And stay off of Splatoon.
just make a group and talk with that over Skype/Team-Speak/whatever programm you want. It isn’t that hard either. Just start it on your smartphone before you enter the battle-area.
So we complain, that we don’t want to mute everyone and you complain, that you don’t want to start it.
or implement the damn thing in the game that you are playing, so that you don’t have to use seperate hardware for such a basic feature.
Or just use a device everyone else has with software everyone knows so idiotic parents (which are quite common) won’t overrun your hq.
maybe there should be seperate apps for everything in life. maybe there should be a specific gamepad for every move, specific keyboard for every letter. what kind of logic is this?
That’s not what I’ve said at all. I said that you can use a device that already exists and everyone has and uses with an app that is designed for that specific matter.
But of you want, I think there is a button specifically for “hash tags” on Kickstarter.
yeah, or the same can just be in the game like a billion other games have. you’re right, everyone has that one device. too bad there aren’t a billion devices, each one to cover one function that one device has, because why not?
Did you compare muting, something that would be apart of the game, with a separate device like a smart phone? lol
No,
I compared starting a separate small program (needs 4-8 seconds) with fiddling in the games options (4-8 seconds) seems pretty similar if you ask me…
NOT if you don’t have your computer on. I’m a freaking console gamer so I don’t sit right next to my computer. *shrug* Whatever. These damage controllers (I hate that term but it can’t be helped when you are actually dealing with them) & their defenses for Nintendo’s bad decision making.
You DO certainly have a smartphone wich is on almost all the time.
lol That’s where you are dead wrong. I don’t use smartphones nor do I like them. I’m perfectly happy with a regular cell phone. They do still have those, just so y’know. Not everyone needs multiple devices to access the internet. My laptop is ALL I need for that.
So people who do want voice chat should take the time to turn on their PC and start up Skype + go out of their way to buy an audio switch so they can actually hear the game audio and their friends’ voices through the same headset, just so they can have a poor alternative to actual built-in voice chat that only allows them to talk to people they know well enough to have them added in Skype, and not those who they’re randomly getting teamed up with?
Definitely sounds like an effort equally bothersome as taking a couple seconds to turn off voice chat.
Or they could, you know, try getting into matches with just their friends.
Or did you just entirely skip over the fact, that I’m urging others join us in getting Nintendo to include chat during friends matches for this game?
Doesn’t change anything about what I’ve said in my previous comment. Just because you’re urging Nintendo to add voice chat for friends doesn’t mean it’s actually there now. They’re saying they will not add voice chat at any point, so you will, no matter what, need to have a PC sitting next to you, Skype, a headset and an audio switch to get an experience similar to having “friend list” voice chat directly featured in-game.
Also, not everyone has friends who own a WiiU they can play multiplayer games like this with, that’s why friends-only voice chat might not be sufficient, I’d say. But of course, it would still be much better than having no voice chat at all.
Well, we’ve gotten Nintendo devs to change their minds a few times before now.
The only way we lose is if we assume we can’t make them go back on their current word and immediately give up.
Call me overly optimistic, but I’m willing to keep trying.
How old are you and how long you been gaming with nintendo? Cause I’ve there since NES and all old school fans know being overly optimistic with nintendo is asking for disappointment. They do awesome things only to counteract those things with really dumb decisions. And that’s a legit age questionnot trying to be rude.
I turned 31 this past February and I’ve been gaming since I was 3, so I’ve been with Atari, Sega, and Sony quite literally my entire life.
I’ve had my fair share of disappointments with Nintendo, it’s true, but they always find a way to bring back a surprise for me.
Like Xenoblade on the Wii giving birth to the gargantuan sequel that we’re all hotly anticipating, for instance.
True that, I just turned 31 myself recently, so that’s kinda cool lol. And yea they still release gems, but there’s always something they do to the gems to take it away from being perfect lol. Like Mario 3D World having no online, when they would have been great with friends online who you couldn’t meet up with. Or Mario Kart 8’s battle mode. It’s a love hate relationship for me lol.
The battle mode, I agree with.
But Mario having online co-op?
It’s a precision platformer. I can only imagine the issues later levels would cause with even the smallest amount of input lag, so I can understand why they didn’t include it in that case.
I didn’t think about the input lag, that is a good point, it kills smash online for me. But it would cool to try it out at least. I have a friend in atlanta and I’m in florida and we can’t play together sadly so it would be nice. But yea lag could possibly mess it up. I wish lag was extinct lol. Is it possible that lag will eventually be a thing of the past, or is it an unfortunate thing that will remain no matter how far we come in technology? I hope it’s something we can overcome cause man I can’t stand playing smash online lol. I had such hopes for the U version but nope, input lag is still there.
Our networks won’t be rid of lag until we’re advanced enough to get a computer in every home without exorbitant net usage fees, sadly.XD
Though, I do seem to recall that there is at least one state where internet is completely free.
I forget which one, though…
Some people like playing with strangers if no friends are online….
I’m aware of that.
I’m also aware that most matches are going to have more jerks than worthwhile conversation.
That’s just what anonymity has allowed online shooters to become, sadly.
I would rather head into Miiverse and add some new friends when no one else on my list is available, over trying to search through the swearing masses of children and neck-bearded laggards for someone decent.
That’s why I can’t support public chat in shooters.
It’s abused more than properly used, and I would be absolutely gleeful to take away the tool that allows jerks to do their dirty work in the opening moments before everyone mutes them.
If these idiots are forced to make friends and risk being ejected from those lists, leaving them with no one to chat with if they don’t mind their tongues, maybe they’ll learn some self control and grow up a bit.
It’s also one of the reasons I don’t turn off VC in other games. Reporting abusive people and getting them kicked is a good way to actually make a small improvement to the online environment of my games, one banned jerk at a time.
But I would rather they grow up on their own, hence my previous statement.
Yea unfortunately miiverse has jerks too. I added some guy to play smash with, and ended up playing him weeks later. It was pretty much 3 on 1 against me. Then they LITERALLY set it to 3 on 1 against me. I had enough and turned on the voice chat and said nice try after quitting the match and they went off cursing like the obvious teens they were, and saying I was trash even though I still almost beat all of them, and 1 on 1 I was wrecking them. They even made up new smash profiles saying “My name” sucks. And all they did was spam projectiles and run away or spam koopa kids drift attack into his up B then run away, repeat, or sonic’s homing attack OVER AND OVER AND OVER. Then had the nerve so say I do the same thing, when they are the ones spamming. That was weeks ago, and last night I got a message from him being a little douche again. So miiverse is not safe either. If you have voice chat for everyone, you could just turn off the voice chat for anyone who isn’t your friend. That would make it so you can have it the way you want, and others could have it how they want. Everyone is happy then. You’re against random voice chat, that’s fine, just set it so only people on your friends list can chat with you. If you’re against other people talking to strangers just cause you yourself don’t like to and wouldn’t even have to, that would be selfish. Not being rude, but that is selfish. And what’s with all this neckbeard nintendo fan talk lol. Are there really that many of them? I’ve read that term on a number of places recently and honestly I never see nintendo fans with neckbeards. Anyway back to the point, I think everyone should have the option to have it their way, like burger king always wanted. And people most certainly need to grow up, but banning them isn’t gonna do it, if anything it will just fuel the fire. You can’t force anyone to grow up or change, at 31 you should know this :p
You’d be surprised at what I’ve seen people forced to do, actually.XD
Anyways, I’m aware that Miiverse isn’t safe either, but on the whole, it’s still a lot safer than relying on public matches to meet people.
In an ideal setting, IMO, this game would work as such: public matches are restricted so that you can only chat before and after matches, and friend matches allow mid- match chat.
Keeping chat restricted in public like this would accomplish two things:
#1 It would prevent people who are jumping in mid-match who have lots of background noise on their mics from interrupting the match by forcing others to stop playing to mute them. (which wastes precious seconds in timed matches.)
#2 It would allow people to use the chat in public before and after matches as a sort of “interview process” to gauge whether or not others should be included in the privilege of friend matches with them.
I’m aware that it’s selfish to wish it gone, but without the ideal alternative i mentioned a moment ago, I would rather be seen as selfish, than as an enabler for trolls like that other jerk in this thread causing inane issues.
It could be a one time option, you turn it off and it’s off for all matches till you want to turn it back on.
Mute buttons exist you know -_- Nintendo has no fucking excuse
What’s heard cannot be unheard…
What if Nintendo did a similar thing like what they did with the 3DS web browser. You need to use a credit card to activate the voice chat (thus proving you’re an adult or at least have consent from one) which would then unmute the chat.
Come on, that wasn’t that hard to come up with was it? This game is way more team focused than CoD but will it last without voice chat?
Navi, there’s no arguing you can’t un hear the pointless things children say. But he has a point, are you going to hide from words your whole life? This whole debate that’s going on over voice chat is ridiculous, the feature should have been an option that could be disabled.
Such a simple fix. And really, if him hearing some kids say he sucks or to go away is enough to turn him away from it, then man I don’t know. The word weak comes to mind.
The point is that Nintendo is targeting wide audiences with their products. You get kids who don’t know how to mute and parents who know nothing about these console in the mix. They hear 12 year olds cursing before they even know how to mute and that’s incredibly bad PR for Nintendo. It’s better not to take the risk at all. It’s pretty simple; voice chat has potential to create a hostile environment and Nintendo wants to avoid that at all costs.
The point is there are ways around it, and DJ already mentioned a way around it which took prolly two seconds of his time to remember. So nintendo would have PLENTY of time to come up with a way around it. No excuse.
There are not ways around it. If there were Nintendo would be announcing voice chat for the game. Whether it’s friends only, or has a mute button, or even strict parental controls. The risk of inviting a hostile environment into a family friendly game is simply too risky and Nintendo doesn’t need to take that risk.
Someone mentioned that you voice chat for the 3ds browser or something required a credit card to enable voice chat. So therefore if that’s the case you can do that in the game too. So there ARE ways around it. If we took the time to think about it we could come up with lots of ways around it. But it’s not our job to, it’s theirs to come up with ideas. There are definitely ways around it. But I don’t think we are going to agree so I will kindly leave it agreeing to disagree.
I’ll agree to disagree as well…. but I will say this; at the press event everyone was playing within earshot of each other, those who were on the same team didn’t speak up once to strategize or come up with battle plans or what have you. This game really doesn’t need it. Sure it would be nice, but it’s not integral to the game play.
Yes but everyone plays differently and has different tastes. That’s why I think it should be in but requiring the credit card to activate or something. I don’t want anyone left out is all.
I mentioned this to someone else… How many adults skip past the prompts when updating their iOS or smart phone? The adults that skip past the parental controls or the portion where they have to input their credit cards are going to have a rude awakening when they realize 12 year olds are cursing up a storm on their family friendly console.
Sure, it’s the parents fault right? No. It’s Nintendo’s fault for offering the feature that is currently creating a hostile atmosphere on their family friendly console. It’s not worth the risk.
Dude you totally missed the point. You wouldn’t HAVE voice chat UNLESS you entered the credit card. So you CAN’T bypass it.
I did miss that point, however a parent might not worry about enabling voice chat on a family friendly console because; it’s family friendly. Again, when they realize that 12 year olds are cursing up a storm, etc. It doesn’t matter, some parent is going to find a reason to complain that this feature is on a family friendly console. It really is too risky no matter how you slice it.
Again, parents fault but Nintendo will be blamed.
That is true, however I don’t see how anyone these days isn’t aware of the cursing kids syndrome of voice chat in games. But you’re right, there are probably people out there still unaware cause they don’t follow games or whatever the reason.
Yeah, Nintendo is just taking all things into consideration. I for one would love voice chat among friends or something but at the same time; I have a 9 year old and he can be sensitive to harsh language. I’d hate for him to accidentally stumble upon someone telling him to effing kill himself because he fumbled a shot in a family friendly game.
I definitely don’t want your kid or any kid exposed to it but I just feel there must be someway to get past this. But I digress lol.
And I can appreciate that. Nintendo has made a lot of questionable decisions in the last 10 years but I completely understand this one.
It’s not about being weak to words, its about wanting to spend chatting with people who are worthwhile, rather than taking precious seconds out a match to go into a list and the most recent mid-match-spawned squeaker that either has too much background noise or too foul a mouth.
On the whole, public games are one of the worst ways to look for decent conversation partners percisely mid-match tensions bring out the worst in strangers.
In a friend match, however, you generally know the people you play with, or have communicated enough before to give them a chance.
And if chat were restricted to friend matches only, more people would watch their attitudes in to getting kicked from friend lists, so that they coukd keep having matches that support chat mid-match, unlike public games.
If you’re going to mute everyone what’s the fucking point of having voice chat?
its their for the people who want to use it and people who don’t want to don’t have to bother with it. OPTIONS is what people want
So for the people that don’t mute it can talk?
Wow. You missed the point. We’re arguing as to whether there should be an option. Obviously people who don’t want it will mute and they can use whatever silent strategy they want.
Thanks! Added that bit in!
That’s literally what was quoted.
Because Sickr replied to me and said: “Thanks! Added that bit in!”
wait whats the difference
The quote was added to the article later on.
oh thanks :)
Sometimes I think nintendo focuses on experience than what everyone wants and Most of their xp choices thats probably why some people hate nintendo because they’re “babies”
Actually, I have the magazine and the main reason was because a lot of people use profanity online
M U T E T H E M T H E N
What’s heard cannot be unheard…
I heard your mom having sex last night… Maybe you should remove her option to have a vagina. What’s heard cannot be unheard…
da fuck is wrong with you
you’re sick…
A perfect example of why having VC in public matches can ruin things for everyone.
Thanks for being the poster boy of bad shooter players.
All the more fun I get to have!!!! :0D
Mute and parental controls. Nintendo is fucking clueless.
But then again how many parents do set up the parental control.
Why does Nintendo bother with parental controls when they insist on being the parental control.
I understand they are trying to babysit and raise millions of children, but they are really limiting and pissing off the huge percentage of adult gamers who have time $$$ to invest in Nintendo if they are not driven to PS or XB.
Show me this “huge percentage” in your research please…
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=884312
You really think Nintendo’s largest percent of gamers are 12? No. They are old enough to have jobs, get married and go to war. No BACK IN THE BOTTLE Navi!
Ok, this I didn’t know of ;-) thanks for pointing this out. I don’t really like bottles, no thanks ;-) (disclaimer: I’m not talking about Bottles, the Banjo-Kazooie character, I love him)
;D
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I love Emeril Lagasse. Lol made my day.
Haha I’m glad someone appreciated him lol. Happy I made your day too :p
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Reading that back in Morgan Freeman’s voice, just makes me laugh.
So are half the people here defending it. There are SOO many ways they could come up with to make sure the precious children don’t hear what they already hear anyway from their parents and the tv shows their parents have on or the kids in school. Like DJ said, make it so you have to use a credit card to activate the voice chat or something like that. Problem solved. But no, we have to defend the decision and their right to make things how they want instead of thinking for two minutes about how easy it would be to stop this issue. Sure they have the right to make a product, but you have to make a product people want. Don’t cut your sales in half but forcing voice chat, or by having none at all. People defending them don’t realize how selfish they are being and quite frankly I’m done with this topic cause it’s so aggravating. I’m literally reading comments from the exact people holding nintendo back.
So! Tell them bitches to shut up and quit complaining.
They’ll just complain more then. They never shut up.
I totally agree. I want to play a game without hearing 10 y-o kids screaming… >>
Just mute them. Hard is it to fucking mute somebody.
What’s heard cannot be unheard…
Only the sensitive and weak follow that motto.
Oh, so we shouldn’t care about the “sensitive and weak”? following your motto?
Basically
Can’t agree with that, and so does Nintendo, thank God. (disclaimer: I don’t mean the “God of the New World” user :P)
You’re a cunt and I hope your house burns down and you have to live in a dumpster for the rest of your life. (Now you’re scarred for life. Because what’s read cannot be unread)
Indeed, I didn’t like your response, care to apologize?
Dude I unfucking called for. She/he wasn’t even fucking talking to you.
What the hell kind of excuse is that? That doesn’t mean or explain anything.
the quote is wrong, this should be: “This is coming from personal experience. When I played online games, I didn’t like the negativity I got and people telling me ‘You’re crap. Go away’. So we wanted to focus on the positive aspects of online gaming”
Because nintendo, no need to make anything up.
“wants to make a game that is different that people who aren’t fans of traditional shooters can play.”….. Why not make it for both. The option for mic’rs and the option to turn off. Bam just earn yourself more sales.
voice chat == sales 4 you? that’s just sad…
Talking to your team to build and execute a strategy is fun for some of us. Guess we’ll have to use psycic powers and attack the enemy with no communication and be like, “Umm, you go this way and I’ll… Oh. Ok.. I’ll go the other way… Maybe we should…oh fuck nevermind. Do what you want” – will be going through our heads.
Apparently when Nintendo re-invemts the Wheel, they feel it would roll better as a square. :(
There are D-Pad commands to use quick signals, if it makes you feel better about yourself.
Monster Hunter allows for 18 customizable commands for hunters to work together.
If Nintendo does that, I guess it would be sufficient, but is still very antiquated.
Not to mention ancient. In an age of voice chat, it’s ridiculous to force everyone to rely on the old ways when there are quite a number of people that would prefer the new ways. At this rate, we’ll lose all these nice features as we experience an apocalyptic event by the time Nintendo decides to fucking implement them..!
There are 2, C’mon and Nice! How the fuck are we going to strategize with 2 commands? Even TF2 Has better voice commands.
There isn’t 2 how the fuck do you even know
He doesn’t. He’s just pulling ‘facts’ out of his ass.
That’s not a reason to not buy the game, I explained to you why I don’t like Voice Chat, I think quick commands are good enough…
Look, Lord Zedd! One of the selfish people you mentioned. “I don’t like voice chat, so fuck what others want.”
Opinions. You’re portraying exactly why I hate voice chat, it would be cool if everybody would respect each other, and just play the game for fun, but sadly that’s almost never the case.
Least with voice chat, you could actually mute me if you aren’t willing to fire back. On here, you can’t do anything but fire back. BOOM! Mindfuck! lol
Nah, not really, it’s just plain stupid xD
Anyway, in the end, the lack of voice chat for something as silly as “I can’t handle insults” when the ability to mute or turn off voice chat altogether would just be a stones throw away has already damaged what could have been an even more fun game for a lot of people. I give it 3-5 months before you start seeing Splatoon being sold used at Gamestop, Amazon, etc.
You’re completely ignoring the fact that this isn’t a normal shooter.
The map on the game pad will be constantly updating what areas your team controls.
Players will constantly be checking that map and will naturally gravitate towards those areas that need work, without the need of someone telling them what to do.
You don’t need voice chat for coordination in this game.
Jusr zone checks, some situational awareness of what your teammates are doing via observation, and some common freakin’ sense.XD
If you’re gonna argue for the inclusion of VC, do so in the area it matters most in: allowing people in Friends Matches to have fun talking to each other.
For public online, not needed.
For team coordination, not needed.
For matches with just your buddies, where chatting isn’t as toxic and adds to the fun?
Very much wanted and appreciated.
I don’t entirely disagree with you, but VC would have made playing with friends a lot more fun for me. I’m still very much on the fence on this game.
i want to like it, but I’m just not feeling it yet.
Hence, go after the Splatoon team to get them to include voice chat in friends matches.
Like I’ve been saying, it’s the happy medium that the game needs.
For what it’s worth, I played Destiny online w/ up to 2 other players but w/ out voice chat. Yet we were still able to know where each of us were &, when needed, were able to revive each other, or @ least knew someone was down. Taking down a boss together was okay. 3 strangers silently worked as a team, effectively & using only the HUD (@ least for me).
But, I can see why the option would help & should’ve been included. Taking down a boss certainly would’ve been cooler if we could’ve shared our thoughts & chose a plan to execute. Also, I can see how Nintendo could’ve easily included an in-game disclaimer & a tutorial for ‘Mute’. However, to view the lack of voice chat as a deal-breaker would, imo, be a mistake, especially for a game w/ more focused, simpler gameplay.
If enough customers who bought Splatoon complained (diplomatically), maybe Nintendo would add voice chat (if by then it’s not too late). Before release? Where are those petitions when you need ’em?
No. Some people are complaining about it so i assumed they are not getting the game. I’m not getting the game regardless. Just saying my opinion since this whole generation Nintendo been shooting themselves in the foot.
Loser game.
They suck at fps and tps games I bet.
Surely in such a team based shooter as this, having the option for voice chat would be best? If you don’t like it, then turn it off.
When I play by myself in games like Halo, I turn voice chat off because I don’t want to have to listen to people blabbing away, but when I’m with my friends, having someone their to warm me of incoming danger is a god send. Nintendo once again baffles me.
Hopefully they fuckin learn after it flops.
They won’t sadly.
They never learn. They take pride it telling their fans to fuck off and they are getting as Apple, forcing people to do only and exactly what they want.
Ok… They are nowhere near as bad as apple, but still!
If it was going to flop, it will, but if it wasn’t, I won’t flop because of no voicechat.
Oh it will bomb hard
60% of me thinks it won’t flop and 40% thinks it will. Mainly because Nintendo has been promoting the fuck out of this game.
I swear this idiots, you think kids will just mute them? And not be defensive about it? And remember not all parents know about parental settings, no matter if it’s in the package of the system parents will most likely ignore it.Remember swap note? It said parental settings or something similar and then the little Japanese girls incident happened. Now and more importantly, if you are expecting a COD type of online experience this game is not for you. That simple, it’s a multiplayer game aimed for younger gamers. Not the furries neckbearded idiots like you.
Part two: that being said it is still no excuse to out some sort of other voice chat on their other games. Even thought I wouldn’t be so excited about hearing all of you fuckers, jobless lets player aiming carrier idiots moan through the microphone. Still no excuse for their other games aimed for other audiences.
Yes. The world is full of shitty people, I agree.
I guess we’ll see how long Nintendo can be the parents of the world, while still being profitable and holding the interest of those with the buying power.
Still not an excuse to exclude something standard for games like this. Even Mario Kart 8 and Smash Bros. for Wii U features voice chat.
You can go fuck yourself, with your moms dildo while you watch a lets player play your favorite game. That’s what you can do.
Are you mental?
Wow, so you are the reason Voice Chat isn’t being added to Nintendo games! LMAO, I bet you’d talk like that during Splatoon, hence, what Nintendo is worried about…
Yeah. Nintendo needs something like voice recognition to auto mute people like you playing with kids. I mean fuck, what if the person you just said that to was a 12 year old.
Jk I love you <3
Game is a joke.
Your mere existence is a joke.
Why?
Fuck this mans personal feelings and opinion about video games.
Agreed. Don’t get why just because HE doesn’t like it, everyone else has to not like it either. No one gives a fuck about how he feels about voice chat.
Cause he an nintendo know people will defend whatever lazy decisions they make
I still don’t understand why they don’t add voicechat and maybe only allow it with people in your team or friendlist, that’d fix the problem.
Don’t jump on me, I’m not like these morons here (Jaded_Drybones, HeavyMachineGames…) that think no voice chat ruins the game, but I’d certainly like the option, at least nowadays we got a lot of things like Skype and TeamSpeak to make up for this, but hell, the Gamepad has a microphone!
I TOTALLY agree. I’d be fine with just people on my friend list. YES, if only Nintendo was as smart as you my friend. ;D
It doesn’t ruin the game, but it can certainly improve it. That is the issue I have.
BULL SHIT!
This guy certainly never heard about the magical powers of the “mute” button.
2 weeks after its out no one will be talking about it or playing it.
Glad you can go into the future. Lucky you
They should have just put voice chat with friends
The ironic thing is it was proven there are more adults playing Wii U than kids. Wii U being kiddie was a sterotype.
it’s still a sterotype
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“This game should totally feature voice chat, because then I can turn it off” LMAO!! XD
ROFL at Navi’s comment.
Glad you also think defending Voice Chat with a Mute function is retarded
So now you’re calling people retarded for defending an option they want? Wow. Classy.
I’m not, read the comment again
I think YOU need to. I’m defending voice chat with mute function. “Glad you also think defending Voice Chat with a mute function is retarded.” By that statement you are saying I’m retarded. It’s pretty blatant.
It wasn’t meant to insult you, so I’m sorry.
No problem, lol it’s been a heated argument for a few months now so everyone’s been edgy over it.
man that was awsome. i dont like voise chat. thats what skype is for. though if they did it with freinds it would make sence.
Not sure if stupid, or just acting like that. The suggestion to turn it off is for those who do not want to use voice chat, obviously. The reason why so many people are mentioning the mute feature is because the narrow minded people who agree with the decision of voice chat being left out of the game don’t seem to realize the fact that there is an option to turn it off if you don’t want it. It really is not that hard to understand.
I know, but I think it’s more narrow minded to state a game or a company sucks because they leave out a feature which is not needed at all and which can even be harmfull to enjoy the game.
I personally haven’t seen anyone directly say Nintendo sucks because of this voice chat problem, but I know many are criticizing them after this because this simply isn’t the first instance Nintendo is way behind the competition in terms of features offered. It just happens way too often.
I guess you’re right there. But I keep thinking that, when the games are of excellent quality, you can’t really say Nintendo makes “stupid” decisions.
Well, then think about it this way: If you think their games are excellent, they would be even better if Nintendo knew how to correctly implement certain features. :)
You get it. Must be a long time nintendo fan as well :p (If not then still respect you for getting why a lot of people are upset with always being in the stone age with so many features).
Yeaa, haha. I grew up with Nintendo, so seeing them make stupid decisions like this is really upsetting. It’s exactly as you’ve said, they seem to always be in the stone age when it comes to “new” technologies. I mean, this issue is a perfect example for that; voice chat has been a fully established thing since last gen, and there is a reason why, after so many years, it still is a thing. Yet Nintendo still refuses to understand that, I really don’t get it. What makes things worse is that this voice chat problem is pretty much the most insignificant one of the things they’re lagging behind in.
Yup and one of my biggest things that makes me really hate their lack of voice chat: E3 with Non Specific Action Figure and grandpa just a few short years ago. BRAGGING about how the gamepad has a built in mic for voice chat in games and such. Yet they DON’T use it!! Just like the sniper gun thing they showed that was never released. Like so many other things they include and hype yet never use.
Exactly! Why build in and advertise a feature that you’re never going to use anyway? But yea, there were so many false promises pre-release of the WiiU, such as them claiming the WiiU was going to target the core audience. But with decisions like this one, they’re doing nothing but prove the complete opposite of that. Or well, maybe Nintendo just has a different view about who their “core audience” really is.
Yea it’s sad they don’t know their audience after 30 years as a console gaming company. And all the false promises get old. Hopefully NX will be what wii u was should have been.
Absolutely.
And about the NX, I think it would be best to just wait and see what it’s even going to be. Whether or not it should turn out to be what the WiiU should have been all depends on when it’s going to come out, I’d say. If it’s Nintendo’s next gen home console, it better be much better than what the WiiU should’ve been, or otherwise Nintendo is simply going to have a hard time competing with the next gen Playstation and Xbox once again. But I think it’s more than safe to hope for them to not do the same mistakes they’re doing with the WiiU ever again. Nintendo honestly hasn’t done much in the last years that gave me the feeling they actually learn from their mistakes, but who knows, maybe there’s still hope.
Says all the anti-voice chat people who assume the people who want it won’t use it.
One simple answer: Ingame voice chat with friends
Option should be there for friends mute everyone except yr friends tired of this crap. Big Nintendo fan not getting this game though Xbox and Sony fans who are curious probably won’t either cuz there use to basic online features like voice chat hell give us party chat or in game something no excuse. They pretty much tell us to fuck off while u fans except it and say a well use Skype stop that shit Nintendo will never evolve with fans like you.
Like it was proven more adults play Wii U more than kids. No voice chat shot themselves in the foot.
You can map d-pad commands.
So far we have seen 2… only 2, C’mon and Nice!… That doesn’t help with the more strategic game modes like ranked battles!
How many? And can they be customized like MH4?
Thank you
it was also proven Wii U has more adults than PS3.
it wouldn’t be a problem if skype was going to shit
The bigger question is!!! Can I 360 no scope in this game?
To everyone saying the mute button is an option. It isn’t going to solve problems. If you go into a game wanting to talk to people, then they start yelling, you are of course going to mute them. Does that mean the minute that they were being annoying is gone? It would still ruin the game experience to have to ,mute all the annoying people, and listen to them before you do it. Yes, you can just mute everyone before even playing, but tons of people don’t even think about that, and get into fight online, which we all know how those end. Also, any console has kids. We don’t want them being cursed at in a game. So, to put it simply, THE MUTE BUTTON WON’T SOLVE ALL THE PROBLEMS!!!!!!!!
You fucking idiot. You can mute before the damn online match starts. You can even mute all players if you want. Stupid ass.
I’m realizing every person here who is probably against voice chat, must have never owned any other gaming systems besides Nintendo’s. This is literally the only logical reasoning I could come up with, as to why they feel voice chat is so unnecessary.
They also dismiss every cool thing you can do with people who use voice chat responsibly, most likely cause they’ve rarely have experienced such a thing on Nintendo consoles. That is huge problem with this world, we can’t have anything nice once a few idiots show up.
It is such a ass backwards mentality, as if there aren’t any good people left in the world or something. So the rest of end up suffering, because of a few whiny adults who can’t raise their children properly.
Has anyone heard how garbage the mix is on the GamePad?
Trust me, you’re better off with Skype.
*mic
You know its with Random People? you wont have their Skype UNLESS they add some sort of Party Feature where you and 3 people on your friends list can go together
I disagree. It worked great with MH3U and Mass Effect3.
It’s kinda sad how new or different things scare and infuriate people so much. I would like to know how many people complaining about lack of voice chat has played the demo and felt the need for it.
Wait …. there’s a demo?….
Not on the eshop. just at places like e3 or something
There was a PAX, E3, and various other events since last E3 yes.
I’m complaining about it, and I have not played the demo.
So there’s one! ;D
Now where the fuck do I get the demo! :)
…No that would mean there isn’t one cause I asked who is complaining that HAS played it. And the game demo was available at E3, PAX and other events.
Wouldn’t the people AGAINST voice chat be the ones scared of something new and different on a nintendo console….kinda sad how your argument is totally backwards.
No cause voice chat is the norm and standard. No voice chat that focuses on yu paying attention to the gamepad/map is different.
I get you really want voice chat Lord Zedd, but that doesn’t mean everyone who doesn’t care or is indifferent is stupid, backwards and just “don’t get it”. Blanket statements like that are silly and beneath us all.
It’s NOT the standard for nintendo only gamers, who are the majority of the ones against it. That was my point. And you said it’s kind of sad that people are voicing their opinion on something they want, that was kind of a rude statement which is why I responded with one. We are tired of the people who come up with weak arguments to defend decisions likes this. People who defend anything nintendo does is why they can’t move forward.
It is the standard for the gaming industry though and they know that there are very few Nintendo only gamers as do we know as well. That’s why he brought about his experience in other games as a reference. And I apologize if my comment really was all that rude, as I was just saying that people should hold their horses on their righteous indignity until they’ve actually played the game is all.
I mean why can’t people genuinely believed that voice chat isn’t necessary without being the reason why Nintendo can’t move forward. That’s hyperbole talk man and borderline attempt at shaming people who disagree for their own reason into silence. Nintendo has been moving forward and has pushed this industry the most. What holds them back is restricking their games to normal or standard conventions and not allowing them to experiment.
Now you could be right and Voice Chat could be awesome and sunshine and rainbows and I, a fool who avoids online games due to rather not playing them than bothering with a mute button cause that’s just one extra step too far for my lazy butt, will feel something missing would out it, but wouldn’t it be more mature to wait until after we’ve found out if it’s necessary for this particular game before we start saying it’s necessary for this particular type of game? You know, remain cautiously optimistic and judge it based on experience rather than supposition?
I wouldn’t want spoilt little 12-13 year old blebs like all of you crying on the mic when someone splat’s you in the face.
yeah thats why theres a mute button
This is a shooter muiti player right? Ok…If you want me to pay almost $70.00 for an uncompleted game & then adding amiibo dlc bullshit. they better have some type of options when it comes online chat nintendo is secluding players Splatoon will fail no longevity another single player experience from Big N
This is retarded as fuck. Good job Nintendo for being stupid as fuck again. This idiot says he’s a fan of shooting games yet he talks as if he never heard of a mute button which are in basically every shooter game with online. I like this guy. Really smart guy. REALLY FUCKIN SMART
Like others said, it doesn’t matter if there’s a mute button or not. A kid could choose not to mute and participate in this meaningless trash talk that most kids do these days. Then before you know it, this kid learned a whole lotta’ words he’s using in school and is now insecure about himself because of this game.
This is a rated E game and like always, Nintendo wants this to appeal to all ages.
Nintendo could make the game tell you everytime you enter online mode that you can mute people. Since they care so much about the kids they could have done it that way instead.
I knew you were gonna reply to me lol. Either way no matter the notification or extra step they take, kids will still choose to use voice chat just cause they can… That’s just how they are.
I know you and others just want the best for this game, and I actually wouldn’t mind if they added it for friends only. Still, this isn’t your typical rated M shooter, the devs just want to create a different shooter with a cleaner environment… and oddly enough, I respect that.
Require a credit card to activate voice chat. Problem solved.
Child: hey mom can I use you’re credit card? I’m only gonna spend 5 cents to activate voice chat, so I can talk to other people in the game”
Mom: Oh sure wow, this is a kids game so others kids will have fun talking to each other and laughing together. My lack of knowledge of how kids are today and the dangers of the Internet will not prevent me from giving you this credit card.
Haters: why do I have to spend an extra 5 cents for voice chat? Developers just want their money not buying.
Lovers: you’re the best Nintendo good idea marry me.
Trolls: This game will die day 1. Nintendo doesn’t Know how to make shooters.
Others: My name is Jeff
All jokes aside, while that won’t solve the whole problem, it’ll probably get rid of a huge chunk of it, which is pretty good.
Lol yea. Honestly though if a parent is unaware of the cruelty of the internet, they need to come out from under their rock :p
WHY doesn’t Nintendo see that there is an adult demographic that they’re absolutely KILLING with their lack of features?! They treat their systems like it’s LeapPad. Yes, I get it, you’re Nintendo, the family friendly gaming company, but your system is looking like a joke with an insane lack of an online structure (Miiverse is basically a forum with the ability to doodle) and online games that have no way of communicating…. An easy solution to avoid trash talking is to set it so you can only hear your team mates. This would give the opportunity for players to chat and plan out attacks. With no communication online games can be boring, I hate playing online stuff when I can’t communicate cos I feel disconnected from my team. Why should I try to revive you? You’re just a voiceless body.
I honestly am not sure if these developers are lazy or retarded. Either way, there’s no excuse for leaving out a feature that can be disabled in the options menu or with parental controls. Oh, I think your excuse just became pointless. Options menus exist and the option to turn off voice chat exists…. Players that don’t want to use it could have the option not to, so basically saying you wanted to avoid trash talking is taking away from teh point of video games. WHAT FUN IS IT IF YOU CAN’T TRASH TALK EACH OTHER AND GIVE EACH OTHER MORE ADRENALINE TO WIN?!?!?! It may not be for all players, but a little trash talk isn’t necessarily meant to be negative, sometimes it’s just fun to bitch at your friends and call them cheaters. Though yes, there are people who are just rude. But all these can be avoided if it’s an issue for that player by having an off switch, but keeping it from those that want to have it is just mean. I honestly lost some interest in this.
“I don’t want to get my feelings hurt and possibly hear something MEAAAAAAN so based on that we’re just not going to have an entire feature that would be an overall boon to this type of game”.
Good fucking grief. There’s always going to be people saying or typing things you might not want to hear or read, but it goes with any online game but there are ways to deal with it, and the benefits of adding in such a feature will outweigh the instances where you may hear someone “call you crap” (cry me a fucking river, Amano. Grow a pair. Shit-talking is part of the game – just watch a Smash Bros round between 4 people).
>>>You little people are so amusing, why need Voice Chat or Command system when you have a Tetrarch Commander already in here that can send you to your deaths via telepathy as much as those 2 things can do?>>>
>>>Besides that, I don’t care whether a game has the option or not, I don’t care at all, I just have fun on my own destroying allies and enemies alike>>>
You don’t care, but a lot of people do. It’s a staple of many online games, especially shooters and can definitely add to the experience as well as enhance the gameplay.
>>>I know, but like I said I personally don’t care one way or the other so if the majority of the Nintendites votes for voice chat and not only the loud ones, then fine by me>>>
That’s the problem with Nintendo, though – it doesn’t matter what the fans usually say, they’ll do whatever they want regardless because that’s just how they operate. Only after it’s been a few years and they’re behind on things will they finally do something about it, but the inherent problem of them being super slow out of the gate still remains.
>>>Mark my words, the Wii U disaster has surely been felt to the core of High Command, the NX cannot be allowed to fail or they’ll be some serious rogue Commanders and Tetrarchs like me everywhere>>>
>>>*There’ll be>>>
Now if the commander is hoping the NX will be successful you know the Wii U is a failure. I can’t believe it even the commander is waiting on the NX. Though I think everyone who wanted a Wii U has one.
If nintendo has this kind of attitude, why should we keep supporting them?
Only reason why is because they still make good software.
True, but yet they still refuse to embrace online gaming, remove region locks and make a proper account system like Sony & MS.
THAT is the key reason why people like me may not buy the game. To stop supporting the shaft. Thank you kindly for your input.
But your not buying the game tells Nintendo you don’t want that type of game, not that you want voice chat. Companies pay attention to the money and if the money (those that buy Splatoon) says they would like voice chat they’ll listen. But why should they, a company that adores doing it’s own thing, listen to people who are fair weather enough to demand new IP then back out cause it’s different from the standard slew of similar games that are out there? It’d be only with a grain of salt anyone would listen to such behavior.
As a long time nintendo fan I know buying everything gets you nowhere, so it’s time to not support their never ending BS.
I couldn’t help but comment… I get where you’re coming from there. I regret buying Kirby and the Rainbow Curse, along with Mario vs DK, and I held myself back from buying Mario Party 10. But Splatoon looks so amazing even without the voice chat. The fact that Nintendo is finally going out on a limb for this IP is reason enough to buy it. Games like the ones I mentioned, there are a lot of reasons to skip those but Splatoon really looks like it could be something special.
Not saying it might not be great, I just feel they are held back from reaching their full potential by being the global parent. I think it’s time parents stopped expecting nintendo to do their job for them, and be aware of what your kids are playing and the options available. Don’t buy something for a kid you yourself don’t know how to use or know what it’s capable of.
Yeah, parents need to buck up and pull their own weight instead of relying on the school systems and Saturday morning cartoons to teach their kids. But in this day and age, anyone can get sued for anything, bad reviews spread across the net like wild fire, and integrity is often thrown out the window. Nintendo is way behind the times and whether they realize that or not, they’re still trying to create a product that children and adults can enjoy equally. Splatoon is one of them! This game could be as competitive as Smash and Mario Kart, while being safe enough for anyone to pick up and play. I’m pretty excited for it if you can’t tell…
See I respect your view far more than some other people here, cause you have good reasons, not just “I don’t like voice chat so screw the people who do.”
Yeah, we’ve got a mutual respect thing going on. It’s proof that two folks with differing opinions can actually have a civil conversation. I rarely comment on this thing because of all the craziness so it’s nice when I can have a decent conversation with some one.
Yea I try to be civil, I only get angry if people start it with me, although the voice chat argument has been going on for a few months now so I’ll admit it’s ruffled my feathers a bit lol. But yea it’s definitely nice to be cool with someone who is on the other side. If only the world as a whole could be like that lol.
Yeah, there are some folks here who are artists at ruffling feathers.
It was good chatting with you.
Yeah see see buying everything is not the way to get your point across either. As I said they follow the money. The way you send a message is to buy the game and find out if voice chat is or is not necessary. If it is, then make it known you are unhappy with your purchase and that you will not be supporting further entries unless what you want is on the list of addons or unless what you want is patched in.
Again, not buying a new IP only says you do not want the IP, not that you want it with XYZ changes. Also not buying it due to one feature sounds fairly shallow to a company especially when the argument is “Well I would have bought it if (insert reason[s] here.)”
I got no problem with anyone wanting or not wanting voice chat cause I feel we all have personal preferences, but all this acting like Nintendo releasing a new game is some affront to all our dignity is just silly from everyone. I play games for fun, not for politics and all this “This MUST be here” and “If you don’t support it you’re part of the problem!” talk is just… Yeah I”m gonna go back to actually playing games.
Anyone buying this game is a moron and sucks at teamwork.
Been a while since I had a good bitch’in fest on this site, good times! We threw a few good punches, but I think it was a bit more of a debate than usual (instead of kindergarden trash talk.)
So, no blood no foul, and I hope everyone has a good day! ;D
>>>Because I got rid of them all, now only the vermin is left>>>
I just want the game because I want to try out this new IP..I don’t care for Voice chat but others do. That’s why I’m for voice chat.
Respect sir. Not wanting others to be excluded even though you yourself won’t use the feature. True gamer right here.
I think voice chat should’ve AT LEAST be included in private matches or something. At least the competitive aspect could be easier to support. I guess it’s ok if we rely on Skype/Mumble/Teamspeak etc. Eh. I always find options as a better choice overall though. It caters more to any audience.
Lol this game is a joke
“I didn’t like the negativity I got and people telling me ‘You’re crap. Go away’. So we wanted to focus on the positive aspects of online gaming”, by cutting communication out of the experience altogether.
Why do devs working in/for Nintendo so often seem to be complete simpletons? The solution to asshole users is always to get rid of communication in the first place, for some reason. I’m surprised that same Nintendo even made a Miiverse with posting rules and a system of punishment.
I call bullshit on this. They need to reconsider their plans not to include voice chat. It’s used in cod and other shooters, so why not for this game.
Nintendo needs to embrace online multiplayer online voice chat now because it’ll end up biting them in the ass when sales for splatoon aren’t that great. I guarantee that.
Total call on bullshit aswell.
Add voice chat with the ability to turn it off completely. Problem solved, everyone wins. And it took me less than 3 seconds to figure it out. I don’t care for this game really, but for the people that want the team based and tactical fun that comes with these games, my heart go’s out to you. Try and enjoy it at least…
I agree with him, but I don’t buy his lame excuse. I too don’t like to hear a bunch of ignorant, sometimes racist belligerent fools talking shit in my ear during my games. It’s largely what ruined COD and Halo for me. However, for the love of everything holy, why the hell can’t we have voice chat amongst friends and family who we’ve already registered in our friends list through the network ID? Isn’t that the whole point? Isn’t that why we exchange friend codes to begin with? So we can weed out the idiots and speak to only those we wish to speak to. I don’t accept your failed reasoning nintendo. Put voice chat in your games nintendo. When are you going to realize your games, your IP’s are webs that weave through people and you ceaselessly fail to realize and capitalize on their potential function as a medium or forum of communication amongst people. We want chat in our games. you’ve already made us jump through hoops by registering our friends now let us interact with them. The wiiu doesn’t even have a simple text based communication system that allowed me to invite friends to play games. I always end up using my cell phone. Pretty lame considering my Xbox did it 13 yrs ago. If I don’t want to communicate with some idiot in my ear then I simply shut them up. Leave a little to our volition and stop treating us like children.
The solution is simple. Add voice chat function with teams. Give players the ability to turn it off completely. That way people like Navi can get over the fear of words that for the most part probably aren’t true. You know what I say when a 10 year old says ” fuck you, you suck” online? I normally reply, ” ok, cool story bro” and that usually ends it.
Add voice chat, allow users to turn it off.
This article is pointless. And did nothing but got a bunch of gamers arguing over something completely unnecessary.
If a 10 year old tells me to fuck off, he’s then mature enough to be told right back to fuck off in my eyes. But yea I would probably shut off the chat or find other players myself. Innocent kids shouldn’t be exposed to cursing. But if they are the ones doing it, then maybe they need to be put in their place.
Man, you got me there… Playing Black Ops 2 on the PS 3 made me want to kick some 10 year old face…
Haha yea some kids are worse than adults. I try to not play with them and hold my tongue though if possible. I would certainly never yell or curse at people I was playing with though unless they started being really rude. I try to catch myself though and just leave like I said though.
Yeah, as hard as it is… it’s best to just say nothing at all.
This is a team oriented game though. Your team shouldn’t be yelling at you unless you aren’t helping. They should make it so you can only hear your team and it should be fine. Then again, what mic would you use? I imagine the gamepads mic isn’t good for something like this
If you have to mute someone after making the gaming environment emotionally unsettling, it’s already too late in this man’s opinion, whether it’s from strangers or friends. Not everyone is able to be emotion free and okay after rude comments fly. That’s why I can see this decision as fantastic for Nintendo’s Rep instead of it becoming like any other gaming company with that problem. It is a mental/emotional problem affecting people.
I don’t mind finding another way to chat but that mean you have to have friends to play with and use Skype or what have you lol not a problem I have. Go make some friends, chumps.
It seems like you are ok with no voice chat cause it causes mental problems as you say, yet you say go make some friends. If you have friends wouldn’t you want to chat with them? And not everyone has a pc or smartphone to use skype. I’m just confused by what you said. I have friends, which is why voice chat IS more important to me. Someone with no friends would have far less use for it.
I honestly don’t care, I wouldn’t use voice chat when playing with random people anyways. And when playing with friends, I still would’ve used Skype to talk. Nothing’s lost here for me.
having the option to turn on or off voice chat is a positive aspect of online gaming
I get where he’s coming from, but it still sounds like an excuse.
Do I think Splatoon needs voice chat? No, I don’t- I think in-game commands would suffice. Do I think Splatoon would benefit from voice chat? Absolutely. And like many, many others have said already, a mute option is a thing that exists.
I know that if voice chat was a feature, there would be those that abuse and misuse it; that’s a given. But not *everyone* does.
That happens with everything in this world, so it happening in voice chat, should be no surprise to anyone.
At least with voice chat there is the option to mute. You can’t say the same for all the other bullshit people have to deal with daily, that isn’t related to video games.
Can I have a mute button for life?
I am glad I an boycotting this.
Just have everyone muted as a default setting. Problem solved. This is such bullshit reasoning.
Zzzzzzzzzzz.
Same old tired excuses against voice chat, when there was never a time where it could not be muted in some way. What about all the people who aren’t assholes online that want to use voice chat?
This is even more of a pathetic excuse, when they don’t even bother including it for friends at least.
You might as well remove online multiplayer altogether with that retarded way of thinking. People don’t even need voice chat to ruin online mutliplayer games anyway. I don’t know how many online games I’ve played where some jerk just loves to ruin the game for everyone on his team. So I’ll never understand why people have such a grudge against it, as if nothing bad can happen otherwise.
Negative things happen everyday, everywhere. Deal with it… Sick of seeing a bunch of immature babies complain about how mean someone was online.
If I’m watching a movie, and I don’t like it, I turn it off. If a show comes on TV, and I don’t like it, I turn off. If I hear a dumb song on the radio, I change the station or turn it off. If a bunch of people are yelling stupid things in my headset, I mute them or I turn it off. What the fuck is so hard about this?
Voice chat is a positive aspect of online gaming, and just because some people like to be assholes doesn’t change that. Unless you subject yourself to single player only, or isolate yourself from the rest of the world, you’ll never get away from the assholes that can exist in it.
If people online bother you that much, for fuck sake, how are you even alive then? Cause if you can’t handle people in online games, you surely can’t deal with the reality outside of them.
You’re only looking at this from the mature gamer perspective. Nintendo is marketing this game to everyone, including children. You’ve got parents who skip through all the parental controls because Nintendo is a family friendly company. You’ve got kids who don’t know how to properly adjust settings in their consoles. If a kid accidentally stumbles into a match with cursing 12 year olds that could be a PR nightmare for Nintendo.
Sure, it’s the parents fault for not properly looking into the features and settings but Nintendo will take the blame for facilitating a feature that has the potential of causing hostile environments for children. This decision actually makes a lot of sense when you think about the harm some of those jerks could have on a child. I don’t want some jerk telling my 9 year old to eff off and kill himself because he missed a shot. All just because we forgot to mute the little jerks.
I would love voice chat at least among friends, but Sony and MS folks have proven how hostile those environments are so Nintendo is opting out completely.
Plus, at the press event there were folks playing within earshot of each other and no one spoke out at all. No one shouted out a strategy or a game plan or anything. They all just knew what to do. The game doesn’t need it, it would be nice to have it, however the risk is too great for Nintendo to include this feature.
No, I’m looking at this from every persons perspective. Did you even read what I wrote?
You guys are the ones only looking at it from one side. No matter how many legitimate points we make towards voice chat, and the easy ways to implement options for children to not have to hear these bad things, you people still act like it’s impossible to achieve.
Or as some suggested it’s as easy as requiring an adult with a credit card to enable voice chat, if Nintendo wants to be so butt hurt about it all the time. They can implement controls on the 3DS that way, so why can’t they do the same for the Wii U? For 1 millionth time, it isn’t Nintendo’s job to keep your kids safe from this world, it is your job.
I even said, they could have at least made voice chat for friends only. Something that would also easily eliminate this problem, but we can’t even get that.
I have a 9 year old little sister, so your points still make no difference, and she plays online on all the time. But she is smart enough to know how to use other options, if she wants to chat with her friends. As most kids are smart enough these days to know how, so that wouldn’t matter really, again it’s just an inconvenience for her when she can’t even talk to her own friends at least. She’ll have to use Skype on her kindle. I also sat down with my little sister before hand, when she first started using the internet, and told her people are going to act dumb or say mean things online. She understands, and is she crying every time she gets off the PS3 with games like GTA V that include voice chat? Does she act like a fool, or run around the house screaming obscenities she hears online? No, so it’s also as simple as teaching your child how to understand and deal with stupidity, this isn’t Nintendo’s job to make these choices for everyone.
She also knows very well it’s as simple as removing the headset if you don’t like what you hear, or muting these people.
So are you going to remove your child from school also? Or do you home school them only, because you’re so afraid of your child being tainted? Cause these kids deal with the same type of stupidity at their schools everyday to a higher degree. Honestly the things my little sister tells me her school friends are doing and saying, are far more concerning than some troll using a headset.
If you’re going to shelter your kid instead of teaching them how to be a mature person about these subjects, then I don’t know what you expect, because it won’t end well. Sheltered kids always turn out worse.
So Nintendo not including this at all, is just dumb. Forcing people who do want to chat to have to use other means when the Wii U supports these features, they’re just never used. People don’t realize more adults play Nintendo systems than children, this is a fact. Not as if it makes a huge difference who plays their systems more, because they could easily appeal to both sides. You people also act like no other console has kid friendly games or experiences similar to the games found on Nintendo consoles. There isn’t a console out there specifically made for adults only, and there never will be, because kids will always be a viable market. So give it a rest.
If you don’t want to play the game with voice chat, or you feel there is no need to talk in this game, by all means play it how you prefer. I’m not forcing voice chat on anyone, but just because you don’t see a reason for voice chat, no one else should be able to use it? So how am I being one sided, when you people keep blatantly ignoring how voice chat can be turned off in many various ways. You also keep ignoring the easy suggestions that people have made, that would make it so you absolutely need an adult to even enable voice chat before playing the game online.
This isn’t freaking rocket surgery. It really isn’t hard to implement a voice chat system that can be safe for children, and also please the more competitive team player.
THIS.
Eh… Doesn’t matter how smart you are, it doesn’t matter how smart I am or how smart our 9 year olds are. There are people out there that just simply won’t get it and it could turn into a nightmare for Nintendo. No, they don’t need to baby sit our kids, however they offer products for EVERYONE. And offering products for everyone means limitations like these. I would love voice chat with friend or have it enabled via credit card. Someone, somewhere will find a way to create a PR crap storm that Nintendo doesn’t want. Again, not worth the risk. Photos from pedophiles caused Nintendo to completely discontinue a service. This, while not as devastating, could cause the same kind of backlash. How would you like the voice chat taken away because of idiots shortly after the games release? It’s better not to have it than to have it for a short while before it’s taken down because of complaints.
They already have PR shit storms hitting them, so I highly doubt one more is really going to do any big damage. If it was, Nintendo would have crashed long ago when the PR shit storms were even worse as there were more people bad mouthing video games than there were people praising it in the old days.
*twitch* BULLSHIT EXCUSE ALERT!!!